"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed? We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Yes
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.
And your point?
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread header
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold star
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ish
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
Dunno what the tipping point would be but I think the current upper limit nationally is in the low 20s and it will take a game changer event to push it higher (except at the euros).
I wonder if ethnic cleansing by flooding counts as illegal? Although technically i suppose it's more species cleansing. Humans out!
If God is not careful he may find him or herself on trial in the Hague.
Indeed. I just wonder if it's documented somewhere that encouraging flooding was a deliberate policy to drive out the wicked humans means he'd have some co-defendants?
Add in the 6.7% of voters UKIP has gained from the Tories back to the Tory column and you get Tories 39.7%, Labour 36% and LD 9%. Not enough for a Tory majority, but most likely giving another Tory-LD coalition. Forget left-wing 2010 LDs (who have returned to Labour anyway) the next election's most crucial group is Tory-UKIP defectors!
"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed? We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Yes
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.
And your point?
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread header
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold star
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ish
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
I really don't know. Would be good to drag the big two parties GE score into the 20s, then maybe theyd listen to normal people rather than their spin doctors and focus groups
GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in trouble in Kentucky in November's Senate election in new Survey USA poll. In a tight contest nationally, this could let the Dems hold on!
The most important questions with this new tranche of rainfall that needs answered is......has Dave tripped his leccy again and has he completed a course on how to change a fuse since the last time?
He convened a Cobra meeting to sort it out.
You have to give him 10 out of 10 for this acting face:
Majestic. Furrowed concerned brow (with a wisp of hair over it, suitably slightly windswept). Eyes focussed, empathetically. Mouth showing steely determination.
And to think only earlier today he was saving the Union! What a man *swoon*
I hope you are not saying that the face of sympathy by our dear leader has a hint of faux about it. We were only a "We are all in it together" from a full house.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
Yes, right, because the vast majority of posters on here are entirely neutral.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
Yes, right, because the vast majority of posters on here are entirely neutral.
Mr. Compouter, I broadly approve of Gove's reforms. I disagreed with his utterances on the Great War. I've regularly criticised Cameron's greenery, the slashing of Defence, the ring-fencing of Health and the deranged approach to energy (cf Eggborough). I eagerly anticipate your effusive praise of any Conservative/Coalition policy and/or thoughtful criticism of Miliband and Balls.
Also, PB Hodge Cameroon makes you sound like an imbecile. This is especially true when talking to someone who is voting UKIP in the European elections.
If you look at the drop in turnout levels since 92/97 there's lots of ex-voters not just non-voters.
I'd be really interested in an attempt to quantify that, but it is possible that the ex-voters are late voters and the next generation that has replaced them simply does not engage with the political process, or wider civic society, as much as previous generations.
It will be 23 years since 1992 in 2015. At some point the people who cling to Major's missing voters as the answer to all their problems will have to accept that the poor dears are all dead. [With apologies to those older contributors to the thread who were eligible to vote in the 1992 general election]
Mr. Compouter, I broadly approve of Gove's reforms. I disagreed with his utterances on the Great War. I've regularly criticised Cameron's greenery, the slashing of Defence, the ring-fencing of Health and the deranged approach to energy (cf Eggborough). I eagerly anticipate your effusive praise of any Conservative/Coalition policy and/or thoughtful criticism of Miliband and Balls.
Also, PB Hodge Cameroon makes you sound like an imbecile. This is especially true when talking to someone who is voting UKIP in the European elections.
Good for you for voting UKIP. I did praise Cameron earlier, I gave him 10 out of 10 for his acting.
Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
A currency union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK would be liable to break apart, particularly with the public finance challenges Edinburgh would face after independence, a landmark study says on Friday.
Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
Err.....what's wrong with Red Rag, well apart from no posts for nearly two months? I feel all offended :-)
Mr. Compouter, it does not refer to the poster. As you may be aware, there was a scheme cooked up to discredit some senior politicians through the most vile smears imaginable.
F1: Lotus are having a shakedown. Having missed the first test this will be their first chance to have a go with the car. It may be an opportunity for Renault to see how much progress they've made fixing their engine and ERS: http://www.espn.co.uk/lotusf1/motorsport/story/144689.html
I read something earlier today suggesting the Renault was two months behind schedule.
Some of you may remember me pimping my new business - Crowdscores - which is crowdsourcing sports data collection.
Right now, media organisations need to pay sizeable sums to Opta (which has the official license for UK football data) if they want to put live football scores on their websites.. Crowdscores uses a combination of people at games submitting scores on their smartphones, and Twitter mining to produce a completely legal, alternatively sourced set of score data.
Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
Love of football a benefit.
Desire to make good money in a new venture a positive.
Keen to smash a monopoly provider a bonus.
Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
Mr. Compouter, it does not refer to the poster. As you may be aware, there was a scheme cooked up to discredit some senior politicians through the most vile smears imaginable.
F1: Lotus are having a shakedown. Having missed the first test this will be their first chance to have a go with the car. It may be an opportunity for Renault to see how much progress they've made fixing their engine and ERS: http://www.espn.co.uk/lotusf1/motorsport/story/144689.html
I read something earlier today suggesting the Renault was two months behind schedule.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
Some of you may remember me pimping my new business - Crowdscores - which is crowdsourcing sports data collection.
Right now, media organisations need to pay sizeable sums to Opta (which has the official license for UK football data) if they want to put live football scores on their websites.. Crowdscores uses a combination of people at games submitting scores on their smartphones, and Twitter mining to produce a completely legal, alternatively sourced set of score data.
Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
Love of football a benefit.
Desire to make good money in a new venture a positive.
Keen to smash a monopoly provider a bonus.
Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
Thanks, Robert
Received your e-mail today, couldn't remember why I joined. Thanks for reminding me.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
If you want cheap electricity, nuclear is not the option. The only reasons you'd install new nuclear are (1) diversity of supply; (2) a wish to install non-intermittent "carbon neutral" power capacity.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.
Wonder if Godfrey Bloom thinks the floods are all the fault of "sluts".
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
Mr. Hugh, I also have not 'taken to task' others on the left, or SNPers. I disagree very often with people like Mr. Observer or Mr. Carnyx, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that they are not stuck records with entirely predictable opinions and Pavlovian responses to any sign of Cameron in the media.
I do, genuinely, hope I'm wrong. But the fact that you and Mr. Compouter think that posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned about the floods and then taking the piss out of him for it does suggest you've come loaded with prejudice. It's somewhat out of character for me to post such, and perhaps I shouldn't have been so intemperate, but at the same time I feel I can predict the exact timbre of every post you've written, or will write.
I hope that isn't the case, and shall endeavour to refrain from posting on this again. I've registered my view, and the site doesn't need to be clogged with repetition.
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
I thought Salmond had a dream of combusting one and a half trillion pounds' worth of North Sea hydro-carbons over the coming few years. How in God's name is that carbon neutral?
and Pavlovian responses to any sign of Cameron in the media.
The thought that the former PR man Cameron brings most of this upon himself doesn't appear to have crossed your mind. Yet infamous 'lefty' and 'labour astroturfer' Iain Martin seems none too impressed by Cammie's delayed media response.
Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
Err.....what's wrong with Red Rag, well apart from no posts for nearly two months? I feel all offended :-)
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden
If true and the increase in global temperatures plateaued 15 years ago that means the EA has had 15 years to improve flood and sea defenses to the new level required.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
You keep using this word AstroTurf. What on earth are you on about?
"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed? We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
I rather doubt that Britain will come to an end, even if the SNP do win the referendum
Indeed. Given that Britain is an island, I should imagine so. Unless Massie thinks Salmond is going to run a supersize circular saw along the bits of the border that aren't on the Tweed?
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
You keep using this word AstroTurf. What on earth are you on about?
By far the most amusing thing about Cammie linking the floods to climate change wasn't the horrified silence from most PB tories. It was the fact that they had all been explicitly warned that those who were gullible enough to believe Cammie's desperate posturing on 'green crap' were going to end up looking very foolish indeed. And so it proved.
Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Yes
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.
And your point?
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread header
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold star
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ish
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden
LOL. Shame for him that floods like this have been happening for millennia. Basically he will say anything to avoid accepting the fact that the lack of maintaining the drainage systems (by successive governments) are turning the Somerset levels back into what they always were.
Some of you may remember me pimping my new business - Crowdscores - which is crowdsourcing sports data collection.
Right now, media organisations need to pay sizeable sums to Opta (which has the official license for UK football data) if they want to put live football scores on their websites.. Crowdscores uses a combination of people at games submitting scores on their smartphones, and Twitter mining to produce a completely legal, alternatively sourced set of score data.
Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
Love of football a benefit.
Desire to make good money in a new venture a positive.
Keen to smash a monopoly provider a bonus.
Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
Thanks, Robert
Cant seem to message you at the mo, but know a few people in betting game, couple of entrepreneur types that could be interested.. message me more details and Ill pass them on
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.
If you were a true Pastafarian you would know there is a direct correlation between the decline in the number of pirates and Global Warming (They have graphs to prove it and everything!) If we want to stop the planet warming up we need to encourage the scourge of the High Seas once more.
I hate to be the one to break it to you (because I know it will hit you more than most!) but we are without Avery until at least the end of the month. He was last seen packing his yellow boxes into a removal van and heading for ConHome.
I hate to be the one to break it to you (because I know it will hit you more than most!) but we are without Avery until at least the end of the month. He was last seen packing his yellow boxes into a removal van and heading for ConHome.
The supposed fifth column kipper site ConHome? Doubtful.
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013. I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.
If you were a true Pastafarian you would know there is a direct correlation between the decline in the number of pirates and Global Warming (They have graphs to prove it and everything!) If we want to stop the planet warming up we need to encourage the scourge of the High Seas once more.
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat. But in a by-election you can stick two fingers up at the Government - it's not going to change who's in power, and if the elected MP is an idiot, you can change him in May 2015. Local council elections are maybe not seen as serious as general elections and - shock - people might actually vote on local issues. And the LDs have managed to build up local power bases where it most definitely is not a wasted vote. However well they do in council elections, by-elections and the Euros, we won't know how much of that translates into a general election vote until the date.
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
But in a by-election you can stick two fingers up at the Government - it's not going to change who's in power, and if the elected MP is an idiot, you can change him in May 2015. Local council elections are maybe not seen as serious as general elections and - shock - people might actually vote on local issues. And the LDs have managed to build up local power bases where it most definitely is not a wasted vote. However well they do in council elections, by-elections and the Euros, we won't know how much of that translates into a general election vote until the date.
UKIP have repeatedly said they're attempting to reproduce the LD strategy of using local government wins as a step to Westminster wins.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
They blame it on England hogging the Gulf Stream
Eh?? It's on the other side of Ireland. I've found West Indies beans on the west coast of Orkney, and driftwood with goose barnacles in the Small Isles.
2008? Golly, the trolls are desperate. Only in Scotland could a milkman fae Fountainbridge called Tam be described as of the elite. Marvellous stuff.
Mr Divvie's point, just in case anyone misses it, is that we did not have a prospect of a referendum in 2008 - let alone a debate - as the SNP government was a minority one.
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Police have used rubber bullets and tear gas against protesters in the capital Sarajevo and the northern town of Tuzla.
Black smoke could be seen gushing from the presidency building in Sarajevo."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26086857
•Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) 46%
•Mitch McConnell (R) 42%
•Undecided 12%
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84683
Worth the people involved checking it out i'd have thought.
And Dave says he can't win in 2015 unless he keeps them below 5%...
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
Out Of Pontypridd.
LOL
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2553979/Francois-Hollandes-approval-rating-hits-record-low-crumbling-economy-stories-love-life-hammer-credibility.html
Miliband should stand up for his friend in need.
Correct, for the vast majority on here....I'm off message.
All those petrol-guzzling 4x4 Chelsea chariots...
Also, PB Hodge Cameroon makes you sound like an imbecile. This is especially true when talking to someone who is voting UKIP in the European elections.
Look squirrel!
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
A currency union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK would be liable to break apart, particularly with the public finance challenges Edinburgh would face after independence, a landmark study says on Friday.
http://redrag1.blogspot.co.uk/
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden
F1: Lotus are having a shakedown. Having missed the first test this will be their first chance to have a go with the car. It may be an opportunity for Renault to see how much progress they've made fixing their engine and ERS:
http://www.espn.co.uk/lotusf1/motorsport/story/144689.html
I read something earlier today suggesting the Renault was two months behind schedule.
Some of you may remember me pimping my new business - Crowdscores - which is crowdsourcing sports data collection.
Right now, media organisations need to pay sizeable sums to Opta (which has the official license for UK football data) if they want to put live football scores on their websites.. Crowdscores uses a combination of people at games submitting scores on their smartphones, and Twitter mining to produce a completely legal, alternatively sourced set of score data.
Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
Love of football a benefit.
Desire to make good money in a new venture a positive.
Keen to smash a monopoly provider a bonus.
Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
Thanks, Robert
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
I just want you to have an original thought, that's all. One waits with bated breath.
Original
or
Correct
We have left it too late to get it for a decent (even in relative terms) cost, it would seem. But we need new power stations as a matter of urgency.
Of course, they rely on cross subsidy from rUK to get it going.....
Or maybe it's only for EARTHQUAKES!
*chortle*
Mr. Hugh, I also have not 'taken to task' others on the left, or SNPers. I disagree very often with people like Mr. Observer or Mr. Carnyx, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that they are not stuck records with entirely predictable opinions and Pavlovian responses to any sign of Cameron in the media.
I do, genuinely, hope I'm wrong. But the fact that you and Mr. Compouter think that posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned about the floods and then taking the piss out of him for it does suggest you've come loaded with prejudice. It's somewhat out of character for me to post such, and perhaps I shouldn't have been so intemperate, but at the same time I feel I can predict the exact timbre of every post you've written, or will write.
I hope that isn't the case, and shall endeavour to refrain from posting on this again. I've registered my view, and the site doesn't need to be clogged with repetition.
Site rules preclude me from telling you what to, but I think you know anyway.
And if you don't understand that, JFGI.
I was hoping Avery was going to produce some now that we have the year end industrial production stats.
Let me provide some data on how well that economic rebalancing is going:
2010 100.0
2011 98.8
2012 96.3
2013 96.0
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=K222&dataset=diop&table-id=A1
The peak output year being at 114.2 way back in 2000, meaning a fall in output of 16%.
That's a THIRTEEN year industrial depression which the collected PPEs of Westminster, Whitehall and the City have presided over.
By comparison retail sales have increased by 40% over the same period.
Ever wondered where the trillion quid of extra household debt and the trillion quid of extra government debt went ?
I hate to be the one to break it to you (because I know it will hit you more than most!) but we are without Avery until at least the end of the month. He was last seen packing his yellow boxes into a removal van and heading for ConHome.
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261161.stm
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
http://blogs.wwf.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/david_cameron_with_a_husky.jpg
2008? Golly, the trolls are desperate.
Only in Scotland could a milkman fae Fountainbridge called Tam be described as of the elite. Marvellous stuff.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
But in a by-election you can stick two fingers up at the Government - it's not going to change who's in power, and if the elected MP is an idiot, you can change him in May 2015. Local council elections are maybe not seen as serious as general elections and - shock - people might actually vote on local issues. And the LDs have managed to build up local power bases where it most definitely is not a wasted vote. However well they do in council elections, by-elections and the Euros, we won't know how much of that translates into a general election vote until the date.
UKIP have repeatedly said they're attempting to reproduce the LD strategy of using local government wins as a step to Westminster wins.
The 2013 local election results are encouraging.
http://survation.com/2013/05/ukip-won-in-8-westminster-constituencies-last-thursday/
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2013/05/2013-county-election-results/
What happened (if I'm allowed to ask) ?
I know he was around a couple of days ago.
(Trying to keep absolutely neutral :-) )
Though I do hope he comes back soon as he's always fun.