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Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Halllooooooooo....... is there anybody here?

Yes. Me.

Never mind Corbyn. Why is it so bloody difficult to find stylish comfortable blue suede shoes?

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Halllooooooooo....... is there anybody here?

Yes. Me.

Never mind Corbyn. Why is it so bloody difficult to find stylish comfortable blue suede shoes?

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Halllooooooooo....... is there anybody here?

Yes. Me.

Never mind Corbyn. Why is it so bloody difficult to find stylish comfortable blue suede shoes?

Beverley_C said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Its ok Jezza's on the case,

“What we will do is vote against having no deal, we’ll vote against Theresa May’s deal; at that point she should go back to Brussels and say this is not acceptable to Britain and renegotiate a customs union, form a customs union with the European Union to secure trade,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/02/corbyn-tells-may-to-strike-new-brexit-deal-labour-can-back

He is barking mad IMO. Has he not been paying attention or is this just the usual Marxist-detached-from-reality thing?

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:

3rd - like the Tories. 😱

@cyclefree - what? You mean "cannot count"
HNY BTW

I was typing while you were naughtily posting.

HNY to you too!

Did you spend New Year in your Northern Redoubt or Tory Central down south?

Slackbladder said:

Beverley_C said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Its ok Jezza's on the case,

“What we will do is vote against having no deal, we’ll vote against Theresa May’s deal; at that point she should go back to Brussels and say this is not acceptable to Britain and renegotiate a customs union, form a customs union with the European Union to secure trade,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/02/corbyn-tells-may-to-strike-new-brexit-deal-labour-can-back

He is barking mad IMO. Has he not been paying attention or is this just the usual Marxist-detached-from-reality thing?

He wants a no-deal Brexit to form his marxist utopia. It's as simple as that.

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Halllooooooooo....... is there anybody here?

Yes. Me.

Never mind Corbyn. Why is it so bloody difficult to find stylish comfortable blue suede shoes?

Is it really? Last year I had trouble buying something that was NOT suede. I wound up with suede ankle books and a pair of 3" heels in suede. I wanted a nice soft leather for the boots, but oh no... anything you like as long as it is suede.

Any reason for blue ones? Or are you hankering back to earlier eras?

To go with some new and old clothes. Also deep blue is stylish. And not as dull as black. I have some fantastic turquoise shoes for spring but I need (OK - want) deep blue ones.

Ooo... deep blue? That could look very nice. I tend to look better in stronger colours whereas my best friend, who is blonde, can wear pastel shades that look lovely but turn me into a dreadful frump if I try them.

Cyclefree said:

The number and variety of my shoe collection would probably appal the men on here.

But you can never have too many shoes or handbags. ☺

What do you expect? For them, the same shoes / wallet / suit can last for years, probably decades....

grabcocque said:

https://twitter.com/Le_Figaro/status/1079767978143596547

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Philip_Thompson said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

The only time I've ever heard men speak about women's shoes is in the case of eg knee-high boots.

Heels etc - absolutely worn by women, for women.

Foxy said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Indeed. Women dress for other women, men buy cars and other trinkets to impress other men. It is about rivalry rather than courting.

anothernick said:

Foxy said:

Slackbladder said:

Beverley_C said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Its ok Jezza's on the case,

“What we will do is vote against having no deal, we’ll vote against Theresa May’s deal; at that point she should go back to Brussels and say this is not acceptable to Britain and renegotiate a customs union, form a customs union with the European Union to secure trade,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/02/corbyn-tells-may-to-strike-new-brexit-deal-labour-can-back

He is barking mad IMO. Has he not been paying attention or is this just the usual Marxist-detached-from-reality thing?

He wants a no-deal Brexit to form his marxist utopia. It's as simple as that.

I don't think that really so. Existing rules do allow for significant state support (via regional industrial policy for example) and a customs union, and indeed WTO rules also work against such subsidy.

More likely Jezza is either uninterested in the EU, or thick, or both.

Both.

Brexiteers who have spent their lives obsessing about the EU tend to see Corbyn as one of them on this topic a la Kate Hoey but that is not really true IMO, he does not see it as a talismanic issue and does not care much about it either way. In the end he will have to listen to the views of his party - as he did at the referendum and has also done on other issues where he is in a clear minority such as Trident.

Beverley_C said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Foxy said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Indeed. Women dress for other women, men buy cars and other trinkets to impress other men. It is about rivalry rather than courting.

I spend quite a lot of money on shoes. Unfortunately neither men nor women seem that impressed.

I feel for you. Shoes are a joy and men just seem to have either brown or black canoes.

Cookie said:

Cyclefree said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Bless. You do realise that all those women looking "natural" are in fact wearing make up designed to make it look as if they aren't wearing make up. There are even "nude" lipsticks.

I do realise that, yes, and it doesn't work - it still looks like make-up. It's preference to the 'clown' setting that some women choose (happily that faded waway after the early 80s) but it looks less good that no make-up at all. And nude lipsticks still look like they have painted their lips lip-colour - but a lip-colour made by someone who was in a hurry and hasn't quite got it right.

As I said, I don't know how widely held this view is - this is just my reaction.

Cyclefree said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Bless. You do realise that all those women looking "natural" are in fact wearing make up designed to make it look as if they aren't wearing make up. There are even "nude" lipsticks.

Cyclefree said:

Cookie said:

Cyclefree said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Bless. You do realise that all those women looking "natural" are in fact wearing make up designed to make it look as if they aren't wearing make up. There are even "nude" lipsticks.

I do realise that, yes, and it doesn't work - it still looks like make-up. It's preference to the 'clown' setting that some women choose (happily that faded waway after the early 80s) but it looks less good that no make-up at all. And nude lipsticks still look like they have painted their lips lip-colour - but a lip-colour made by someone who was in a hurry and hasn't quite got it right.

As I said, I don't know how widely held this view is - this is just my reaction.

Fair enough. In my experience you are unusual.

There are - at least once you are past your 30's - very few women whose faces look that good completely au naturel, unless they are lucky to have very good skin.

The best thing for any face, though, is a smile.

AlastairMeeks said:

Looks more than a bit risky to me to fail to convince your support base on something that strikes closer to their identity than party allegiance.

Cyclefree said:

JosiasJessop said:

Cyclefree said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Bless. You do realise that all those women looking "natural" are in fact wearing make up designed to make it look as if they aren't wearing make up. There are even "nude" lipsticks.

You don't speak for all women. Mrs J wears make-up very infrequently: I nearly fainted with surprise when she nipped into a Debenhams to ask which lipstick suited her. The lipstick was purchased, and was used once.

The reason she does not need it, of course, is that she is naturally beautiful.

Our dressing table is sagging under the weight of hair products: then again, she does have the devil's curly hair ...

I never said I did speak for all women. I speak only for myself.

I do think - and I realise it is the Italian in me - that one ought to look presentable when out in public. Some people are absolute eye sores.

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

No, not in the least. I genuinely find cosmetics unattractive, and lipstick in particular triggers my disgust reflex. I don't know whether I'm alone in this. But I've never heard a man talk in positive terms about a woman's make-up.

Only joshing. Just that it's the sort of thing that women like men to say. Sort of thing that I might come out with when attempting to render myself endearing to a woman.

Truth is, I love make-up and high heels. It led to the breakdown of my 1st marriage.

Taxi!

NickPalmer said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-up on deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

Are you virtue signalling?

No, not in the least. I genuinely find costmetics unattractive, and lipstick in particular triggers my disgust reflex. I don't know whether I'm alone in this. But I've never heard a man talk in positive terms about a woman's make-up.

If I was virtue signalling I'd be piously not-my-place-to-tell-women-what-to-wear.

I'm often slighlty amused at the feminist position on e.g. Daily Mail articles written about what successful sportswomen x wears to an awards ceremony, fuming that the same fuss wouldn't be made about a man. I sympathise - but there is no wat that articles of that struos are written for anything other than a female audience. No man cares what dress Rebecca Adlington wears to SPOTY, or os even sure what anyone female should be wearing. Men generally have no more than four gradations of sartorial formality (pyjamas; not at work; at work; dinner jacket) and find the complex sartorial rules that women have made for themsleves utterly baffling.

+1. I grew up in Denmark where women largely agreed with what you say, and found the whole rigmarole that they observed in France and Britain completely perplexing. The more political ones also found it repellent in terms of accepting a sexist role - "Why should women make a special effort to dress to please men when men don't do the same?".

I've come to feel relaxed about it - if people want to make an effort to look good and feel happy in the results, why not? But I also think it's largely done for personal and peer satisfaction, in the same way as some men like to cultivate a finely-trimmed beard. The exception is hairstyle, which I think does make a major difference to how people look for both sexes and is worth taking time to consider what you want.

malcolmg said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Watching Sky and BBC all day they have been attacking the rail increases and showing Corbyn demonstrating against the rises at a London Station.

Just watched ITV Wales news with an exact mirror image of the complaints in England but the difference here in Wales is the increase of 2.98% by TFW is labour's responsibility.

Why are you not in Cardiff, Corbyn, or is that too embarrasssing

Evening G, it is pathetic crap, why should we pay for rich commuters to go in to London and make huge salaries. If the greedy gets don't like it get a job nearer home, poncy grasping gits.

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-up on deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

Are you virtue signalling?

No, not in the least. I genuinely find costmetics unattractive, and lipstick in particular triggers my disgust reflex. I don't know whether I'm alone in this. But I've never heard a man talk in positive terms about a woman's make-up.

If I was virtue signalling I'd be piously not-my-place-to-tell-women-what-to-wear.

I'm often slighlty amused at the feminist position on e.g. Daily Mail articles written about what successful sportswomen x wears to an awards ceremony, fuming that the same fuss wouldn't be made about a man. I sympathise - but there is no wat that articles of that struos are written for anything other than a female audience. No man cares what dress Rebecca Adlington wears to SPOTY, or os even sure what anyone female should be wearing. Men generally have no more than four gradations of sartorial formality (pyjamas; not at work; at work; dinner jacket) and find the complex sartorial rules that women have made for themsleves utterly baffling.

grabcocque said:

NickPalmer said:

I've come to feel relaxed about it - if people want to make an effort to look good and feel happy in the results, why not? But I also think it's largely done for personal and peer satisfaction, in the same way as some men like to cultivate a finely-trimmed beard. The exception is hairstyle, which I think does make a major difference to how people look for both sexes and is worth taking time to consider what you want.

Women are continually judged and publicly shamed for their appearance in ways men are not. It's not surprising women try to take control of that process by being in control of the way they feel best about looking.

Though most of the men I know are just obsessive about their faces, it's just all sublimated into the beard&stache.

SeanT said:

Beverley_C said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Foxy said:

Cookie said:

grabcocque said:

Beverley_C said:

Shoes make the outfit. The wrong shoes can completely ruin a look. The right shoes can set it off perfectly. Men never seem to understand that. They all seem to think we should be tottering about in 6" heels.

I can say with absolute certainty men do not care what footwear you have on. Heels are inflicted on women by other women.

Ooh, while we're on about that sort of thing, if I can join in with generalising wildly from myself to 'men', men also find women's need to put make-upon deeply baffling. A face with make-up on almost never looks as good as a clean face. And in particular, a mouth with lipstick always looks less attractive than a clean mouth.

On the point above, to my eye, a 'look' tailed off my high-heeled shoes can look attractive. But so can a look tailed off by Dr, Marten boots.

And to enlatge on grabcoque's point, fashion in general is inflicted on women by other women.

Indeed. Women dress for other women, men buy cars and other trinkets to impress other men. It is about rivalry rather than courting.

I spend quite a lot of money on shoes. Unfortunately neither men nor women seem that impressed.

I feel for you. Shoes are a joy and men just seem to have either brown or black canoes.

I love buying shoes. I dislike buying most other clothes unless I already know exactly what I want. Clothes buying is generally a mild chore for me, which can end badly and remorsefully.

But shoes, however, Mmm. I know all about them, I know where to get the best, I can afford the best. I've been known to drop a grand on Jermyn Street, in one afternoon of shoe-shopping.

And, uniondivvie, I have had both men and women come up to me, uninvited, and say, "I;m sorry to intrude, but those are lovely shoes." One guy even waxed lyrical about my patina. As they say.

You should come to London more. We appreciate a good brogue.

malcolmg said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Watching Sky and BBC all day they have been attacking the rail increases and showing Corbyn demonstrating against the rises at a London Station.

Just watched ITV Wales news with an exact mirror image of the complaints in England but the difference here in Wales is the increase of 2.98% by TFW is labour's responsibility.

Why are you not in Cardiff, Corbyn, or is that too embarrasssing

Evening G, it is pathetic crap, why should we pay for rich commuters to go in to London and make huge salaries. If the greedy gets don't like it get a job nearer home, poncy grasping gits.

AmpfieldAndy said:

For Labour voters unhappy with their party’s clueless position on Brexit, the big question is who else are they going to vote for if that position doesn’t change. There is no sign of an exodus to the LibDems who consistently support Remain so Brexit clearly isn’t the be all and end all of determining how they’ll vote. Similarly, it’s difficult to see them voting Tory with the complete abscence of aa domestic policy agenda.

So Labour voters might be unhappy with their party’s position on Brexit but not enough to switch allegiance. In those circumstance, why would Labour change that position ?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Watching Sky and BBC all day they have been attacking the rail increases and showing Corbyn demonstrating against the rises at a London Station.

Just watched ITV Wales news with an exact mirror image of the complaints in England but the difference here in Wales is the increase of 2.98% by TFW is labour's responsibility.

Why are you not in Cardiff, Corbyn, or is that too embarrasssing

Danny565 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

And yet, in spite of this supposed Remainer fury towards Labour, this exact same set of polling has the Lib Dems still stuck at the 7% they polled at the last election....

I believe labour supporters do not believe Corbyn backs brexit to the extent he does and when the votes come on TM deal in a couple of weeks, labour mps will have nowhere to hide.

It is at this point the balloon will go up and with it very serious problems for labour and a possible boost for the lib dems

LOL, how many times have you previously predicted the "penny will drop" / "balloon will go up" for all these Labour Remain voters supposedly obsessed with the EU above all else?