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If he actually gave the slightest fuck about "the troops" there are many practical measures within his gift as SecDef that he could do to improve their lot. The photo is for his benefit not theirs.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Chris, are you honestly criticising him for showing support for the troops?
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On this site, at least, I recall mainly praise for the government’s approach to addressing the issue close to sourceJosiasJessop said:
Then let's look at Syria. The nearest 'safe' countries can be seen as places like Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan (and it's great to be able to say that Lebanon can be classed as a 'safe' country). You might want to look at the table to see where the refugees have mostly gone:grabcocque said:
Utter bilge. This "first safe country" arse-pull rightwingers cling to is another absurd fiction. Not only do the UNHCR conventions say nothing about "first safe countries", it should be painfully obvious what would have happened if we'd tried to apply this terrible idea to Syria.Pulpstar said:
Quite right too. Asylum shouldn't be some "A La Carte" menu of claimants going where they desire; but rather the first 'safe country' set menu.Sean_F said:
The French seem no keener on accepting asylum seekers who cross from Italy than we are to accept those who cross the Channel.grabcocque said:
Well, the EU's been negotiating a common immigration and asylum policy for a while, but without the UK. Now we're suddenly are interested in making demands of that European immigration policy, we shouldn't be surprised when we're hit with a fat non merci.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You said "France is refusing, on the (imho reasonable) grounds that the UK has persistently derogated from a common European refugee policy". Perhaps "breach" was the wrong word - but what special treatment are they complaining about?grabcocque said:
Who, France?TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do they think we are in breach of?
We're asking the French government for a favour here, and for obvious reasons they are currently in no mood to be offering the UK government a lifeline on anything.
(Snip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
Many countries neighbouring Syria have taken a massive amount of the refugees, and have suffered economically (and in some cases socially) from it. Cameron was right in trying to help these countries deal with this burden.
Where the "arse-pull rightwingers"do deserve criticism is for their whinging and screeching when we tried to help those countries out.0 -
Ireland is not and never has been part of the Schengen area.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh, I know. But we're meant to be leaving, so we won't count. Which leaves Ireland ex-Schengen. How many Syrians are trying to paddle there?rcs1000 said:
That's not true. The Schengen zone is "borderless" in that you don't need to undergo passport checks once you are in it, but the EU is certainly not.TrèsDifficile said:
The EU is borderless so the asylum seekers should be free to seek asylum in any EU country as soon as they reach the safety of the EU.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, you are "required" to seek asylum in the first safe country.eek said:
The difference between what is an economic migrant and a refugee seems to be far more complex than I would have thought it was. Surely someone sat anywhere in Europe has already successfully fled the persecution they were fleeing...Theuniondivvie said:
The question is, what happens if you don't.0 -
“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
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Yes, there was some praise - even by some leavers.Charles said:
On this site, at least, I recall mainly praise for the government’s approach to addressing the issue close to sourceJosiasJessop said:
Then let's look at Syria. The nearest 'safe' countries can be seen as places like Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan (and it's great to be able to say that Lebanon can be classed as a 'safe' country). You might want to look at the table to see where the refugees have mostly gone:grabcocque said:
Utter bilge. This "first safe country" arse-pull rightwingers cling to is another absurd fiction. Not only do the UNHCR conventions say nothing about "first safe countries", it should be painfully obvious what would have happened if we'd tried to apply this terrible idea to Syria.Pulpstar said:
Quite right too. Asylum shouldn't be some "A La Carte" menu of claimants going where they desire; but rather the first 'safe country' set menu.Sean_F said:
The French seem no keener on accepting asylum seekers who cross from Italy than we are to accept those who cross the Channel.grabcocque said:
Well, the EU's been negotiating a common immigration and asylum policy for a while, but without the UK. Now we're suddenly are interested in making demands of that European immigration policy, we shouldn't be surprised when we're hit with a fat non merci.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You said "France is refusing, on the (imho reasonable) grounds that the UK has persistently derogated from a common European refugee policy". Perhaps "breach" was the wrong word - but what special treatment are they complaining about?grabcocque said:
Who, France?TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do they think we are in breach of?
We're asking the French government for a favour here, and for obvious reasons they are currently in no mood to be offering the UK government a lifeline on anything.
(Snip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
Many countries neighbouring Syria have taken a massive amount of the refugees, and have suffered economically (and in some cases socially) from it. Cameron was right in trying to help these countries deal with this burden.
Where the "arse-pull rightwingers"do deserve criticism is for their whinging and screeching when we tried to help those countries out.
However there were also idiots screeching about how we were 'bribing' their governments. By the same people who continually criticise foreign aid ...0 -
I meant Latin ex (ie out of), not like ex-girlfriend. Should have been clearer..grabcocque said:
Ireland is not and never has been part of the Schengen area.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh, I know. But we're meant to be leaving, so we won't count. Which leaves Ireland ex-Schengen. How many Syrians are trying to paddle there?rcs1000 said:
That's not true. The Schengen zone is "borderless" in that you don't need to undergo passport checks once you are in it, but the EU is certainly not.TrèsDifficile said:
The EU is borderless so the asylum seekers should be free to seek asylum in any EU country as soon as they reach the safety of the EU.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, you are "required" to seek asylum in the first safe country.eek said:
The difference between what is an economic migrant and a refugee seems to be far more complex than I would have thought it was. Surely someone sat anywhere in Europe has already successfully fled the persecution they were fleeing...Theuniondivvie said:
The question is, what happens if you don't.0 -
What happened to Bobby Jindal?Foxy said:
If Kamala wins the Dems and Nikki Haley, one of the favourite alternatives to Trump, wins the Republicans then we could be certain that the next POTUS is of Indian ancestry.rcs1000 said:
Kamala Harris is doing better in the odds than the polls (sorry, ugly turn of phrase), because California is so early in the primary season next year. If we assume she wins her home state, she's extremely unlikely to be any worse than second after March 3rd, and may very well be first.Quincel said:
True, but his run was exceptional in many ways.DecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, and indeed Biden, like all the others, is said to be pondering a run, but at the moment he wins on name recognition because he was Obama's Vice-President for eight years. It is like the next Tory leader polls show that people have seen Boris and JRM on the telly.
Look back four years at how many GOP runners made the primaries, and the Democrats are not even at that stage yet. The chances are the eventual candidate will be someone we'd not recognise. You could have named your own price for Trump.
For 2016: Clinton lead in every poll with her name in throughout early 2015 and was presumptive nominee in the media.
For 2012: Romney was a widely discussed candidate and led many polls in early 2011 (interestingly so did Trump in a couple of polls, though he didn't in early 2015).
For 2008: McCain was in the top 2 or 3 of most polls in Jan 2007 and lead some.
For 2008: Obama likewise was second in most polls and a widely discussed candidate in the press.
This time the nationwide leader for the Dem polls is Biden - maybe he should be favourite over Harris/O'Rourke (definitely over the latter, imho). The other thing which jumps out at me is that Harris is polling surprisingly low in many polls, basically the same as Warren (who perhaps deserves more credit than she's getting, though I'm not convinced since name recognition surely makes Harris' high single figures more impressive).
Primaries certainly aren't easy to predict, even at this point, but the eventual winner has tended to be very much on the radar by this point.
All figures from the relevant Wikipedia pages.0 -
I don’t think she likes him very muchDura_Ace said:
It's just you and that woman at the fireplace showroom he was fucking on the side.viewcode said:
I like him! Really! Am I the only one?SouthamObserver said:0 -
Oh right. I mean, you think crossing the Channel in a dinghy is tough, try doing Holyhead-Dublin in a pedalo.TrèsDifficile said:
I meant Latin ex (ie out of), not like ex-girlfriend. Should have been clearer..grabcocque said:
Ireland is not and never has been part of the Schengen area.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh, I know. But we're meant to be leaving, so we won't count. Which leaves Ireland ex-Schengen. How many Syrians are trying to paddle there?rcs1000 said:
That's not true. The Schengen zone is "borderless" in that you don't need to undergo passport checks once you are in it, but the EU is certainly not.TrèsDifficile said:
The EU is borderless so the asylum seekers should be free to seek asylum in any EU country as soon as they reach the safety of the EU.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, you are "required" to seek asylum in the first safe country.eek said:
The difference between what is an economic migrant and a refugee seems to be far more complex than I would have thought it was. Surely someone sat anywhere in Europe has already successfully fled the persecution they were fleeing...Theuniondivvie said:
The question is, what happens if you don't.0 -
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.viewcode said:
Ah, so Brexit will reopen the mines, steel works and textile factories of the valleys, will it?Foxy said:
During the Greece crisis, a woman dressed in blue was accused (with some justification) of bullying and destroying the economic base of a smaller nation speaking a different language.viewcode said:
It is not clear what the people of the valleys expect to improve as a result of Brexit, indeed as the article says:Foxy said:
"Speaking to people in the Welsh Valleys, there is a keen local awareness that communities have been in precipitous economic decline for some time. The European Union is not responsible for this decline, but despite the modest injection of EU subsidies in recent years, it hasn’t reversed it."
Any suggestions?
The Valleys went "Uh-huh. Seen that before..."
Personally it looks to me that funding priorities will be even less for these communities, as the country re-organises around Brexit. South Wales will be at the back of that queue, particularly with a Tory Brexit.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.0 -
On that, I agree.grabcocque said:
But my point is that's irrelevant. We have two options, we either grant them refugee status or ask France to. And France isn't going to do that.Sean_F said:
That's the point. The asylum seekers who are the subject of this discussion are not coming from an unsafe country.grabcocque said:
It isn't not that, either.Sean_F said:
Being an asylum seeker isn't an international passport to travel wherever you want.
As a signatory to the UNHCR conventions on the rights of refugees, we agree to hear all applications of refugee status, on a case by case basis. If the person is from an unsafe country, there's a reasonable expectation it would be granted, because returning people to unsafe countries is a Bad Thing.
The focus needs to be on finding and shutting down the human trafficking rings responsible, which is very much in both our interests. Before the bodies start piling up in the Channel.0 -
There is a whole thread, not just that tweet. But the messiah is of course being smeared...TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=210 -
Indeed. The Brexit party has reduced the strength of the army by more than 25% since 2010 and it is now the smallest it has been since the late 1700s. The official strength is 80,000 but in reality it is considerably smaller.Dura_Ace said:
If he actually gave the slightest fuck about "the troops" there are many practical measures within his gift as SecDef that he could do to improve their lot. The photo is for his benefit not theirs.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Chris, are you honestly criticising him for showing support for the troops?
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Fair enough. Don’t remember that myself.JosiasJessop said:
Yes, there was some praise - even by some leavers.Charles said:
On this site, at least, I recall mainly praise for the government’s approach to addressing the issue close to sourceJosiasJessop said:
Then let's look at Syria. The nearest 'safe' countries can be seen as places like Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan (and it's great to be able to say that Lebanon can be classed as a 'safe' country). You might want to look at the table to see where the refugees have mostly gone:grabcocque said:
Utter bilge. This "first safe country" arse-pull rightwingers cling to is another absurd fiction. Not only do the UNHCR conventions say nothing about "first safe countries", it should be painfully obvious what would have happened if we'd tried to apply this terrible idea to Syria.Pulpstar said:
Quite right too. Asylum shouldn't be some "A La Carte" menu of claimants going where they desire; but rather the first 'safe country' set menu.Sean_F said:
The French seem no keener on accepting asylum seekers who cross from Italy than we are to accept those who cross the Channel.grabcocque said:
Well, the EU's been negotiating a common immigration and asylum policy for a while, but without the UK. Now we're suddenly are interested in making demands of that European immigration policy, we shouldn't be surprised when we're hit with a fat non merci.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You said "France is refusing, on the (imho reasonable) grounds that the UK has persistently derogated from a common European refugee policy". Perhaps "breach" was the wrong word - but what special treatment are they complaining about?grabcocque said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do they think we are in breach of?
(Snip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
Many countries neighbouring Syria have taken a massive amount of the refugees, and have suffered economically (and in some cases socially) from it. Cameron was right in trying to help these countries deal with this burden.
Where the "arse-pull rightwingers"do deserve criticism is for their whinging and screeching when we tried to help those countries out.
However there were also idiots screeching about how we were 'bribing' their governments. By the same people who continually criticise foreign aid ...
(Am critical of the obsession with spending 0.7% of GDP rather than what adds value)0 -
There have been hoards of threads around the same subject, it almost always comes back to Israel.FrancisUrquhart said:
There is a whole thread, not just that tweet. But the messiah is of course being smeared...TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
If Corbyn just wanted anti semitism and didn't care about Palestine then the Orban approach is the way to go.
Edit: To clarify I did look at this thread as well0 -
You messed up the blockquote, @Cyclefree . You've attributed to me that which somebody else said.Cyclefree said:
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.viewcode said:
Ah, so Brexit will reopen the mines, steel works and textile factories of the valleys, will it?Foxy said:
During the Greece crisis, a woman dressed in blue was accused (with some justification) of bullying and destroying the economic base of a smaller nation speaking a different language.viewcode said:
It is not clear what the people of the valleys expect to improve as a result of Brexit, indeed as the article says:Foxy said:
"Speaking to people in the Welsh Valleys, there is a keen local awareness that communities have been in precipitous economic decline for some time. The European Union is not responsible for this decline, but despite the modest injection of EU subsidies in recent years, it hasn’t reversed it."
Any suggestions?
The Valleys went "Uh-huh. Seen that before..."
Personally it looks to me that funding priorities will be even less for these communities, as the country re-organises around Brexit. South Wales will be at the back of that queue, particularly with a Tory Brexit.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.0 -
Is that because the French don't want brown people living with them?grabcocque said:
Utter bilge. This "first safe country" arse-pull rightwingers cling to is another absurd fiction. Not only do the UNHCR conventions say nothing about "first safe countries", it should be painfully obvious what would have happened if we'd tried to apply this terrible idea to Syria.Pulpstar said:
Quite right too. Asylum shouldn't be some "A La Carte" menu of claimants going where they desire; but rather the first 'safe country' set menu.Sean_F said:
The French seem no keener on accepting asylum seekers who cross from Italy than we are to accept those who cross the Channel.grabcocque said:
Well, the EU's been negotiating a common immigration and asylum policy for a while, but without the UK. Now we're suddenly are interested in making demands of that European immigration policy, we shouldn't be surprised when we're hit with a fat non merci.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You said "France is refusing, on the (imho reasonable) grounds that the UK has persistently derogated from a common European refugee policy". Perhaps "breach" was the wrong word - but what special treatment are they complaining about?grabcocque said:
Who, France?TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do they think we are in breach of?
We're asking the French government for a favour here, and for obvious reasons they are currently in no mood to be offering the UK government a lifeline on anything.
And, let's be honest, it's just another racist right wing excuse for why we don't want brown people living amonst us.
In any case, it's irrelevant what the channel crossers' first safe country was. These people are here, now, and have made a claim for refugee status here. The only other reasonable option to granting them refugee status is asking France to take them, and France will say no.
If France can say No, why can't we?0 -
That's absolutely right.eek said:
That's not true, heading into Austria from Hungry / Slovenia you won't get very far without your id card / passport and the same is true between Austria and Germany although the Germans will just wave most Austrian cars through...rcs1000 said:
That's not true. The Schengen zone is "borderless" in that you don't need to undergo passport checks once you are in it, but the EU is certainly not.TrèsDifficile said:
The EU is borderless so the asylum seekers should be free to seek asylum in any EU country as soon as they reach the safety of the EU.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, you are "required" to seek asylum in the first safe country.eek said:
The difference between what is an economic migrant and a refugee seems to be far more complex than I would have thought it was. Surely someone sat anywhere in Europe has already successfully fled the persecution they were fleeing...Theuniondivvie said:
The question is, what happens if you don't.0 -
My apologies. Am on my phone.viewcode said:
You messed up the blockquote, @Cyclefree . You've attributed to me that which somebody else said.Cyclefree said:
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.viewcode said:
Ah, so Brexit will reopen the mines, steel works and textile factories of the valleys, will it?Foxy said:
During the Greece crisis, a woman dressed in blue was accused (with some justification) of bullying and destroying the economic base of a smaller nation speaking a different language.viewcode said:
It is not clear what the people of the valleys expect to improve as a result of Brexit, indeed as the article says:Foxy said:
"Speaking to people in the Welsh Valleys, there is a keen local awareness that communities have been in precipitous economic decline for some time. The European Union is not responsible for this decline, but despite the modest injection of EU subsidies in recent years, it hasn’t reversed it."
Any suggestions?
The Valleys went "Uh-huh. Seen that before..."
Personally it looks to me that funding priorities will be even less for these communities, as the country re-organises around Brexit. South Wales will be at the back of that queue, particularly with a Tory Brexit.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
Amazingly, because they're already here. They've applied for refugee status, we are honour bound to hear it. If they'd applied in France, France would do the same.philiph said:
Is that because the French don't want brown people living with them?
If France can say No, why can't we?0 -
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
I remember being in a barren part of the west of Sotland and being told the Duke of Argyll used to be able to raise an army of 80,000 in three days....anothernick said:
Indeed. The Brexit party has reduced the strength of the army by more than 25% since 2010 and it is now the smallest it has been since the late 1700s. The official strength is 80,000 but in reality it is considerably smaller.Dura_Ace said:
If he actually gave the slightest fuck about "the troops" there are many practical measures within his gift as SecDef that he could do to improve their lot. The photo is for his benefit not theirs.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Chris, are you honestly criticising him for showing support for the troops?
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But the smug self-satisfied class will not suffer from Brexit, or at least not as much as the people who did the kicking. The people who really should suffer are those who told the people of Barrow and elsewhere that their lot would be improved if they voted leave. This was never true, it cannot be made to be true and it will not be true whatever the outcome of the next few months. Far from restoring faith in the political process, Brexit will damage it further. People were told they could vote to improve their lot but in fact they voted to make it worse.Cyclefree said:<
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
I don't think it was a dig at me either but just to clarify I actually live in South Wales and would be happy to see stuff done for the place regardless of Brexit.0
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Indeed, Left wing anti-semitism is aimed at Zionists, right wing anti-semitism is much more aimed at diaspora Jews, such as this little trope from Leave.eu.TheJezziah said:
There have been hoards of threads around the same subject, it almost always comes back to Israel.FrancisUrquhart said:
There is a whole thread, not just that tweet. But the messiah is of course being smeared...TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
If Corbyn just wanted anti semitism and didn't care about Palestine then the Orban approach is the way to go.
Edit: To clarify I did look at this thread as well
https://twitter.com/chrisinsilico/status/1080426389944315911?s=19
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Damn, I need new glasses. I read that as "in a paedo".....grabcocque said:
Oh right. I mean, you think crossing the Channel in a dinghy is tough, try doing Holyhead-Dublin in a pedalo.TrèsDifficile said:
I meant Latin ex (ie out of), not like ex-girlfriend. Should have been clearer..grabcocque said:
Ireland is not and never has been part of the Schengen area.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh, I know. But we're meant to be leaving, so we won't count. Which leaves Ireland ex-Schengen. How many Syrians are trying to paddle there?rcs1000 said:
That's not true. The Schengen zone is "borderless" in that you don't need to undergo passport checks once you are in it, but the EU is certainly not.TrèsDifficile said:
The EU is borderless so the asylum seekers should be free to seek asylum in any EU country as soon as they reach the safety of the EU.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, you are "required" to seek asylum in the first safe country.eek said:
The difference between what is an economic migrant and a refugee seems to be far more complex than I would have thought it was. Surely someone sat anywhere in Europe has already successfully fled the persecution they were fleeing...Theuniondivvie said:
The question is, what happens if you don't.0 -
True. I suppose we could dissolve many current states and reestablish them. The US and Australia for example. Plenty more I’m sure, all of which I’m sure Jeremy has actively campaigned for.TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Were they told that things would be better, most of the campaign bits I remember were about how things could become worse...anothernick said:
But the smug self-satisfied class will not suffer from Brexit, or at least not as much as the people who did the kicking. The people who really should suffer are those who told the people of Barrow and elsewhere that their lot would be improved if they voted leave. This was never true, it cannot be made to be true and it will not be true whatever the outcome of the next few months. Far from restoring faith in the political process, Brexit will damage it further. People were told they could vote to improve their lot but in fact they voted to make it worse.Cyclefree said:<
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
What are the different types of refugees?grabcocque said:
Amazingly, because they're already here. They've applied for refugee status, we are honour bound to hear it. If they'd applied in France, France would do the same.philiph said:
Is that because the French don't want brown people living with them?
If France can say No, why can't we?
Amazingly the below are internet definitions of the different types when the above question is entered as a search.
There three types by definition:
Refugee
On the UNHCR definition: A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group.
A refugee must not be sent back to her/his country of origin until it has been ascertained that the country [though not necessarily the refugee’s home region] is safe for their return.
Asylum-seeker
An asylum-seeker is someone who has fled his or her country and claims to have “a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group.” An asylum-seeker is required to apply for asylum immediately upon arrival in the first “Country of Safety” she or he reaches. In all UN-recognised countries, an asylum-seeker must be received and protected, and may not be sent back [“non-refoulement”] until their case for asylum has been investigated and judged.
Migrant
All other people living in a country other than their own.
Notes:
The UNHCR definition requires factors that are specific to each person. Generalised poverty or poor educational or career opportunities do not qualify for ‘Refugee’ status. People moving country for these reasons are regarded as ‘Economic Migrants’.
Equally an asylum-seeker who, having once reached the first “Country of Safety”, opts to move on to another country of her/his choice is no longer an ‘Asylum-seeker’; but a Migrant.
If the factors in the choice of country include the levels and availability of national social support systems, they are regarded as ‘Welfare Tourists’.
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In that case, they will get what they asked for...eek said:
Were they told that things would be better, most of the campaign bits I remember were about how things could become worse...anothernick said:
But the smug self-satisfied class will not suffer from Brexit, or at least not as much as the people who did the kicking. The people who really should suffer are those who told the people of Barrow and elsewhere that their lot would be improved if they voted leave. This was never true, it cannot be made to be true and it will not be true whatever the outcome of the next few months. Far from restoring faith in the political process, Brexit will damage it further. People were told they could vote to improve their lot but in fact they voted to make it worse.Cyclefree said:<
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
I think Corbyn would campaign as hard for that as you would for a new Muslim country setup in England which involved throwing you, your friends and your family out of their homes and off the land allocated for it without compensation.TOPPING said:
True. I suppose we could dissolve many current states and reestablish them. The US and Australia for example. Plenty more I’m sure, all of which I’m sure Jeremy has actively campaigned for.TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
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a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Which Leave campaign messages do you think warned that things would be worse?eek said:
Were they told that things would be better, most of the campaign bits I remember were about how things could become worse...anothernick said:
But the smug self-satisfied class will not suffer from Brexit, or at least not as much as the people who did the kicking. The people who really should suffer are those who told the people of Barrow and elsewhere that their lot would be improved if they voted leave. This was never true, it cannot be made to be true and it will not be true whatever the outcome of the next few months. Far from restoring faith in the political process, Brexit will damage it further. People were told they could vote to improve their lot but in fact they voted to make it worse.Cyclefree said:<
It is grimly amusing seeing all these people (this is not a personal dig at you BTW) shed crocodile tears for places like the Welsh valleys and Barrow and Hull which Brexit will not help. Had such people bothered to be concerned about these places in the last few decades then the Brexit vote might not have happened.
Now we see some bankers being told that their employers won't subsidise their commuting from London and, what, we're expected to feel sorry for them? Give me a break.
A bit of empathy and help by said bankers for the people of Barrow, a bit of celebration of the diversity of life within the UK, in places such as these - and believe me there is plenty of interest for people who are willing to look rather than sneer in a de haut en bas way - would have done wonders for uniting the country when it mattered.
Brexit may well be, almost certainly is, the wrong answer. That is the country's tragedy. But the smug self-satisfied class in this country, oblivious to much of life in the country in which it lived, richly deserved the kick up the arse it got.0 -
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
TBH stopping the occupation and brutality towards the Palestinians is the best way to avoid that. Keeping them down isn't.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
Although it is hard to argue because I am not sure what path you are suggesting to it. The Palestinians are the majority but any one state setup would have to be done in a way that forces them to work together to pass legislation rather than 50%+1 can vote to kill the others.0 -
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Mr. Jezziah, by that definition Corbyn should be anti-Iran too. Unless the oppression of Muslims is ok when other Muslims do it, of course.0
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Palestinians aren't a majority. And no-one is particularly concerned (yet) about violence that's been sanctioned by due process; it's the unsanctioned stuff that worries the Israelis.TheJezziah said:
TBH stopping the occupation and brutality towards the Palestinians is the best way to avoid that. Keeping them down isn't.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
Although it is hard to argue because I am not sure what path you are suggesting to it. The Palestinians are the majority but any one state setup would have to be done in a way that forces them to work together to pass legislation rather than 50%+1 can vote to kill the others.
Also are there any current countries where there is a setup that "forces" disparate sectarian groups to work together? Northern Ireland I guess is one in principle, although it isn't independent, and the system doesn't seem to be working all that well.0 -
By which definition?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jezziah, by that definition Corbyn should be anti-Iran too. Unless the oppression of Muslims is ok when other Muslims do it, of course.
The post where I accused Topping of just being upset that Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore?
Because to be honest I didn't actually mean much by it, he was accusing me of wanting Jewish death/misery so I was throwing back at him that he wanted Muslim death/misery
Also by that definition (if we can call it a definition) wouldn't he be Pro Iran as they are oppressed the same way he is pro Palestine?
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I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Well there are more of them than Israelis... Or to be more exact in a one state solution there would be more Muslims than Jews. Happy to be corrected on this (I suppose it could differ if you exclude some people)Endillion said:
Palestinians aren't a majority. And no-one is particularly concerned (yet) about violence that's been sanctioned by due process; it's the unsanctioned stuff that worries the Israelis.TheJezziah said:
TBH stopping the occupation and brutality towards the Palestinians is the best way to avoid that. Keeping them down isn't.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
Although it is hard to argue because I am not sure what path you are suggesting to it. The Palestinians are the majority but any one state setup would have to be done in a way that forces them to work together to pass legislation rather than 50%+1 can vote to kill the others.
Also are there any current countries where there is a setup that "forces" disparate sectarian groups to work together? Northern Ireland I guess is one in principle, although it isn't independent, and the system doesn't seem to be working all that well.
Yes NI was the main one I could think of. Although it is also one place where the groups had to live together and were too civilised to just wipe each other out, which you might argue applies to Palestine-Israel (hopefully)
Whilst it isn't perfect it works better than what was before it.0 -
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Which side did you support during the Iran-Iraq War? Or the Bangladesh Civil War?TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
What's your stance on Morocco's occupation of Western Sahara?TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
O god somebody triggered the Sunil somebody is talking about Israel device and I have been once again selected to have random topics shouted at me...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which side did you support during the Iran-Iraq War? Or the Bangladesh Civil War?TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
Haven't we been through this before?
You don't want any kind of conversation, you just want to shout random stuff at me because you disagree with what I say but don't actually want to discuss that with me so you use this method instead to argue with what I say without engaging in it.
Why should I bother to answer?
I have an opinion on the Iraq-Iran war, I know only a very little of Western Sahara Morocco and I have never even heard of the Bangladesh civil war. None of this of course changes Israel's actions or the morality of them or has anything to do with it.
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I have said nothing about the Palestinians. You have said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
I have said nothing about the Jews. You have said all you need to about the Muslims.TOPPING said:
I have said nothing about the Palestinians. You have said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
Israel = the Jews about which you have said much.TheJezziah said:
I have said nothing about the Jews. You have said all you need to about the Muslims.TOPPING said:
I have said nothing about the Palestinians. You have said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.0 -
You do realise that is actually an anti semitic statement?TOPPING said:
Israel = the Jews about which you have said much.TheJezziah said:
I have said nothing about the Jews. You have said all you need to about the Muslims.TOPPING said:
I have said nothing about the Palestinians. You have said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the people living in Palestine and Israel would require dissolution for example.
Also it is something that escapes a lot of people (perhaps intentionally) but calling for the dissolution of a country isn't calling for the death of everyone inside said country.
Israel does not equal the Jews and Jews does not equal Israel.
In much the same way we don't (or shouldn't) hold all white people responsible for the US's actions.
Although considering your troubling views on the Muslims it shouldn't be a surprise...0 -
Twat. If you think people don't understand what anti-semites mean when they talk about Israel as being different from the Jews you are mistaken.TheJezziah said:
You do realise that is actually an anti semitic statement?TOPPING said:
Israel = the Jews about which you have said much.TheJezziah said:
I have said nothing about the Jews. You have said all you need to about the Muslims.TOPPING said:
ve said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:
To sum it up if you don't believe in the occupation of Palestinians and theft of their land.FrancisUrquhart said:“You might be a
redneckantisemite if” thread...
https://twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1080184550096023553?s=21
Edit: If he wanted to promote anti semitism then the Orban approach would have been the best bet to get some Israeli backing whilst doing it.
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the peopountry.
Israel does not equal the Jews and Jews does not equal Israel.
In much the same way we don't (or shouldn't) hold all white people responsible for the US's actions.
Although considering your troubling views on the Muslims it shouldn't be a surprise...
Israel was founded as a Jewish state. And just like its neighbouring arab states it has since welcomed those of other religions to live and participate in society there.0 -
Gammon. People understand full well what anti semites like you mean when they conflate Israel and Jews.TOPPING said:
Twat. If you think people don't understand what anti-semites mean when they talk about Israel as being different from the Jews you are mistaken.TheJezziah said:
You do realise that is actually an anti semitic statement?TOPPING said:
Israel = the Jews about which you have said much.TheJezziah said:
I have said nothing about the Jews. You have said all you need to about the Muslims.TOPPING said:
ve said all you need to about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
As we all know why you are so supportive of the occupation of Palestinians.TOPPING said:
Nah. We all know what you mean when you say Israel.TheJezziah said:
I never mentioned Jews either. Obviously my Pro Palestinian stance indicates a hatred to Jewish people in the same way your Pro Israeli one indicates a hatred to Muslims.TOPPING said:
I’ve never mentioned Muslims. You meanwhile have evident views about the Jews.TheJezziah said:
You of course would just be upset that the Muslims aren't being brutally occupied anymore..TOPPING said:
Which would be a bonus for Corbyn and @TheJezziah.Slackbladder said:
a one-state solution would very quickly lead to ethnic cleansing of the jewish population too of course..TheJezziah said:
I've seen arguments about the river to the sea thing...TOPPING said:
Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea.TheJezziah said:FrancisUrquhart said:
“Dissolution “ is different from “pre-1967” borders.
But of course you know that.
Dissolution is different from pre-1967. A one state solution with the land shared by all the peopountry.
Israel does not equal the Jews and Jews does not equal Israel.
In much the same way we don't (or shouldn't) hold all white people responsible for the US's actions.
Although considering your troubling views on the Muslims it shouldn't be a surprise...
Israel was founded as a Jewish state. And just like its neighbouring arab states it has since welcomed those of other religions to live and participate in society there.
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That's it. I'm an anti-semite. You, meanwhile, are not.TheJezziah said:
Gammon. People understand full well what anti semites like you mean when they conflate Israel and Jews.0 -
Not sure if you really care but TBH I don't really care what kind of racist you are or if you think I'm racist. I just like to give people the BS back they try to throw at me. Have a great night.TOPPING said:
That's it. I'm an anti-semite. You, meanwhile, are not.TheJezziah said:
Gammon. People understand full well what anti semites like you mean when they conflate Israel and Jews.0
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