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Longer than Cornwall? Surprising if true; that sounds like a quiz questionAnazina said:
1709hrs: Gatwick closed until 11pm???Richard_Nabavi said:16:49: Gatwick closed until at least 9pm
17:00: Gatwick closed until at least 10pm
Just extraordinary,
Nowt wrong with Essex. It's a beautiful county, in parts. Dedham Vale is stunning, Epping Forest 12 miles of blissful solitude on the edge of London, and has the longest coastline of any county in England (and the most islands).OldKingCole said:JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
nsted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
Iin Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.0 -
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As it happens I think that her deal is ok and IS going to get ratified with some help from Labour, but I agree with you about the woman herself. Very one dimensional she is, and an arch purveyor of sterile soundbites. One I particularly hated was 'no deal is better than a bad deal'. That really upset me. Because it is literally meaningless. It must first be corrected to 'no deal is better than a bad deal that is so bad that it is worse than no deal'. Then eliminating the subjective word 'bad' which appears on both sides that becomes 'no deal is better than a deal that is worse than no deal'. Final evolution to 'a deal is better than no deal if it is better than no deal'. This is the tone that she has set for the Brexit debate. Is it any wonder we are where we are.anothernick said:Indeed it is. Personal relationships are very important. If May had spent more time cultivating backbench MPs of all parties she might well be close to getting her deal through. But her high handed remoteness and personal diffidence antagonises people and makes them less likely to be supportive. Her attempts to get Labour MPs on board consisted solely of briefing the media about how at least 30 Labour MPs favoured a deal. If she had actually spoken privately to any MPs she would have realised that this was wishful thinking.
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The Dutch have actually given up on the ideanotme2 said:
It better not do that with one with metal blades, it will be the eagle falling to the ground, not the drone.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Dutch are already using Eagles to take out drones.malcolmg said:
WE could train geese to knock out drones.RobD said:
But a drone could be used maliciously. I don't think we have developed the technology to pilot geese.rural_voter said:
This was last week in MexicoTheWhiteRabbit said:
The contingency plans will be around how to manage disruption.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/14/passenger-plane-left-gaping-hole-crashing-drone-8249661/
It resembles the damage caused by a large bird
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4543186/bird-strike-boeing-737-sudan/
We don't close airports because of flocks of geese. Just carry on flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNN49idCUo
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/16767000/police-netherlands-eagles-rogue-drones
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Brexit: Not much worse than the three-day weeksteve_garner said:
Doubt it can be much worse than periods of the 70's such as the 3 day week or winter of discontent. Of course you have to be of a certain vintage to remember the 70's.rpjs said:So, no-dealers of PB, how sanguine do you feel about the UK's ability to cope with a crash-out Brexit now?
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I don't think there is any treaty involved at this stage - at least not until ratified by Parliament.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU0 -
As was said to me when I was a witness once 'At least they'll have Christmas with their families.'rottenborough said:
No. I asked this am, and someone posted it was not until the New Year.SquareRoot said:Has the Labour MP in the speedingticketgate case been sentenced yet?
Does anyone know what the parameters are?0 -
Based on conversations with others, my understanding is she loses her seat of sentenced to a year or more in prison (although she'll presumably come under enormous pressure, and possibly be subject to a recall petition, in any event if she doesn't shift voluntarily.)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Believe sentencing is in JanuarySquareRoot said:Has the Labour MP in the speedingticketgate case been sentenced yet?
Does anyone know what the parameters are?
If and when she goes, I take it that Corbyn gets to set the date for the by-election?
Perhaps he'll show us he has a sense of humour and go for March 29th?0 -
Maybe they should offer Theresa May confidence and supply!CarlottaVance said:0 -
From Article 50: "That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3)[10] of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament."grabcocque said:
I don't think that's true. Ruling from the Chair?Richard_Tyndall said:
It doesn't have to be approved by the parliaments of the EU27. At least not all of them.grabcocque said:
It's not EU approved yet. It's been approved by the EUCO, but it has not yet been approved by the European Parliament, the Parliament of the UK or the Parliaments of the EU27.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.
So I guess that means that as a treaty, the WDA will be a bilateral agreement between the UK and the EU itself, not a multilateral treaty between the UK and all of the EU27.
Brexiteers note: the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties does not apply to agreements between sovereign states and international organizations.0 -
He whinges about the lack of a child poverty strategy, and his pride under Blair and Brown. I would like to point out on every single measure of child poverty, every one, it is lower now than at any point during the labour government.dr_spyn said:
I thought that the preceding paragraph was pretty damning as well.Richard_Nabavi said:
He doesn't mince his words, especially in the two bottom paragraphs on the first page.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/1075791687547580416 Haven't yet read his letter in full.
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That time machine doesn't appear to be working. Today is still today.Donny43 said:
I'll give you a time machine to go back to a point where the People's Vote was still in the future.IanB2 said:
Your close but decisive support for the people's vote is welcome! When the vote comes let's hope it is decisive and not close.Donny43 said:
I do support the People's Vote. It was close but decisive.Foxy said:
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
Well I see now and I do think she knows what she is doing and is getting away with it so far. I do not understand where her 'best' is quotedOldKingCole said:
The post to which I replied. That Mrs May knows what she is doing, and it is her 'best'!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure what I have expressed wrongly to be honest, especially to involve Oliver Cromwell and the Good LordOldKingCole said:
Sorry, Mr G; as you know I have a high opinion of you, so, in the words of Oliver Cromwell, I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU0 -
I'm trying to remember which Government has overseen a fall in Police numbers and the closure of operational stations and which Home Secretary wanted Police off the beat and moving round in vans. As for 2011, my recollection was most areas suffered one night of trouble but it spread round the country over three or four days until a large deployment of Police quietened things down.RoyalBlue said:Dismal on the part of the police and the armed forces.
Then again, why are we surprised? It took several nights of criminal rampage in 2011 before the police realised that perhaps it would be best to try to stop the rioters.
Thanks to New Labour, the leadership of the police is now the same ineffectual caste that infests the civil service. Now that we have Crapita organising recruitment for the armed forces, I’m sure they’ll be next.
Putting aside the party political posturing, I heard a pilot on Sky saying airports in other countries had some way of detecting and dealing with drones and we didn't because we wouldn't pay to get the technology in place.
Typical penny pinching half arsed Britain - I suspect the EU are privately glad to be rid of our rebate-obsessed mean-spirited opt-out riddled half hearted membership.0 -
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Quick question: should that be "neither...nor" or "either...or"? It's bugging me.Scott_P said:0 -
I am. So better stock up on candles then.steve_garner said:
Doubt it can be much worse than periods of the 70's such as the 3 day week or winter of discontent. Of course you have to be of a certain vintage to remember the 70's.rpjs said:So, no-dealers of PB, how sanguine do you feel about the UK's ability to cope with a crash-out Brexit now?
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So the People's Vote is still more than two and a half years in the past.IanB2 said:
That time machine doesn't appear to be working. Today is still today.Donny43 said:
I'll give you a time machine to go back to a point where the People's Vote was still in the future.IanB2 said:
Your close but decisive support for the people's vote is welcome! When the vote comes let's hope it is decisive and not close.Donny43 said:
I do support the People's Vote. It was close but decisive.Foxy said:
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
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EU airports are better prepared, are they? Or are you just working backwards from your conclusion?stodge said:
I'm trying to remember which Government has overseen a fall in Police numbers and the closure of operational stations and which Home Secretary wanted Police off the beat and moving round in vans. As for 2011, my recollection was most areas suffered one night of trouble but it spread round the country over three or four days until a large deployment of Police quietened things down.RoyalBlue said:Dismal on the part of the police and the armed forces.
Then again, why are we surprised? It took several nights of criminal rampage in 2011 before the police realised that perhaps it would be best to try to stop the rioters.
Thanks to New Labour, the leadership of the police is now the same ineffectual caste that infests the civil service. Now that we have Crapita organising recruitment for the armed forces, I’m sure they’ll be next.
Putting aside the party political posturing, I heard a pilot on Sky saying airports in other countries had some way of detecting and dealing with drones and we didn't because we wouldn't pay to get the technology in place.
Typical penny pinching half arsed Britain - I suspect the EU are privately glad to be rid of our rebate-obsessed mean-spirited opt-out riddled half hearted membership.0 -
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While I yield to no-one in appreciation of my native, albeit not my ancestral, county, the Ordnance Survey says,IanB2 said:
Longer than Cornwall? Surprising if true; that sounds like a quiz questionAnazina said:
1709hrs: Gatwick closed until 11pm???Richard_Nabavi said:,
Nowt wrong with Essex. It's a beautiful county, in parts. Dedham Vale is stunning, Epping Forest 12 miles of blissful solitude on the edge of London, and has the longest coastline of any county in England (and the most islands).OldKingCole said:JosiasJessop said:grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
!grabcocque said:AlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
nsted.matt said:AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
Iin Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Is actually nearly in NorfolkAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
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You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.
'We used our Boundary-Line product, an open dataset, which is at 1:10,000 scale and is the scale also used by the Boundary Commission. Comparing the length of English county coastlines using Boundary-Line high-water data, Essex didn’t top the table. Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).'0 -
I believe that sentence to be structured correctly. If he'd wanted to use neither/nor then he'd have had to begin with something like "The reason I believe that neither no deal nor May's deal are now possible..."viewcode said:
Quick question: should that be "neither...nor" or "either...or"? It's bugging me.Scott_P said:0 -
What Dura said earlier, just with longer words :-)Scott_P said:0 -
Apparently Ivan Lewis had been advised that he was shortly to be given a date for the disciplinary hearing. By resigning in this way he has prevented that taking place. Of course, not the least bit suspicious.!0
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It should in any case be "is now possible".Black_Rook said:
I believe that sentence to be structured correctly. If he'd wanted to use neither/nor then he'd have had to begin with something like "The reason I believe that neither no deal nor May's deal are now possible..."viewcode said:
Quick question: should that be "neither...nor" or "either...or"? It's bugging me.Scott_P said:0 -
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.0 -
After a year? Hmm, let's play the "what is more likely" game:justin124 said:Apparently Ivan Lewis had been advised that he was shortly to be given a date for the disciplinary hearing. By resigning in this way he has prevented that taking place. Of course, not the least bit suspicious.!
Is it more likely that after sitting on the process for a year Labour decided to fix a date; or
Is it more likely that the person briefing the date had been fixed is making it up to discredit Lewis?0 -
Not according to Sky News.Donny43 said:
After a year? Hmm, let's play the "what is more likely" game:justin124 said:Apparently Ivan Lewis had been advised that he was shortly to be given a date for the disciplinary hearing. By resigning in this way he has prevented that taking place. Of course, not the least bit suspicious.!
Is it more likely that after sitting on the process for a year Labour decided to fix a date; or
Is it more likely that the person briefing the date had been fixed is making it up to discredit Lewis?0 -
The correct grammatical formulation is "believe...neither..."Donny43 said:
It should in any case be "is now possible".Black_Rook said:
I believe that sentence to be structured correctly. If he'd wanted to use neither/nor then he'd have had to begin with something like "The reason I believe that neither no deal nor May's deal are now possible..."viewcode said:
Quick question: should that be "neither...nor" or "either...or"? It's bugging me.Scott_P said:0 -
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
By whom were Sky News briefed?justin124 said:
Not according to Sky News.Donny43 said:
After a year? Hmm, let's play the "what is more likely" game:justin124 said:Apparently Ivan Lewis had been advised that he was shortly to be given a date for the disciplinary hearing. By resigning in this way he has prevented that taking place. Of course, not the least bit suspicious.!
Is it more likely that after sitting on the process for a year Labour decided to fix a date; or
Is it more likely that the person briefing the date had been fixed is making it up to discredit Lewis?0 -
Perhaps you should ask them.Donny43 said:
By whom were Sky News briefed?justin124 said:
Not according to Sky News.Donny43 said:
After a year? Hmm, let's play the "what is more likely" game:justin124 said:Apparently Ivan Lewis had been advised that he was shortly to be given a date for the disciplinary hearing. By resigning in this way he has prevented that taking place. Of course, not the least bit suspicious.!
Is it more likely that after sitting on the process for a year Labour decided to fix a date; or
Is it more likely that the person briefing the date had been fixed is making it up to discredit Lewis?0 -
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
I would need to be decisive to put it to bed, like the second Irish one. And a promise to never hold a sodding one ever again on anything. Put it in a manifesto and to a general election.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?0
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How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.0 -
Pleased I flew into Birmingham this morning! The number of people affected is now going to be in the hundreds of thousands, lots of people are going to have to cancel Christmas plans thanks to a group of idiots.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I think we've established that Leave would need to win 80:20 but Remain only by 50.1:49.9.IanB2 said:
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
"I thought that description applied to Yorkshire!"OldKingCole said:
I thought that desciption applied to Yorkshire!
If I can explain my concern, it's that Brexit was voted for by people who were disenchanted by what they saw as the attitudes of a 'metropolitan elite'
And, for the avoidance of doubt I voted FOR British involvement in the EU as I did in 1975. And this time, as again I did in '75 I'll do my best to encourage my neighbours to do the same thing. I didn't do enough, I fear and regret, in 2016.
Edited for date. I'm sure we'll have sorted this within 100 years!
It's a self-deprecating alteration of a classic Derbyshire term:
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/dialect1.htm
Yorkshire use something like it as well, but that's just a result of their thieving, whinging and penny-pinching ways,
I've never been called the 'Metropolitan Elite' before. Since I'm rarely happier than when I'm in a tent on a godforsaken hillside, that's probably a weird definition of 'Metropolitan'!
I wonder what the intersection is between the people who pick up their handbags at such terms being used and using them as an excuse for Brexit, and those who say all Muslims should be deported and then cry about free speech when called up about it?
(As an aside, years back someone went online to publicise a book called 'Ey up mi duck' about Derbyshire dialects - I have a copy somewhere. He got rather annoyed by people making jokes, until someone pointed out he had replaced the 'u' in the last word with an 'i' ...)0 -
In contrast to 2016, I think a second campaign could see a late swing towards the side that's ahead, as people subconsciously aim to get a decisive result so that we don't revisit the question.IanB2 said:
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
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Having walked around both, I can honestly say that Essex's coastline may be long, but it is a real ballache to walk around. It's also fairly rubbish - except for a few glorious bits, such as St Peter's Church - http://www.bradwellchapel.org/OldKingCole said:While I yield to no-one in appreciation of my native, albeit not my ancestral, county, the Ordnance Survey says,
'We used our Boundary-Line product, an open dataset, which is at 1:10,000 scale and is the scale also used by the Boundary Commission. Comparing the length of English county coastlines using Boundary-Line high-water data, Essex didn’t top the table. Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).'
The main problem with Cornwall is that it's set up for tourism. Everything is about tourists. Which is fair enough, but gets a bit samey when you;re going through the fifteenth tourist-based village.
Give me the Pembrokeshire coast any day. even Milford Haven is fascinating.0 -
Jolyon Maugham 'The people can prevent a No Deal Brexit with a General Strike'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/people-prevent-no-deal-brexit-general-strike-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
By-election watch.
Following the retirement of Lord Northbourne there was a by-election on 28 November for a crossbencher peer elected by the 31 crossbencher peers. Lord Carrington was elected.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2018/Result-by-election-28-11-18.pdf
In January there will be another by-election due to the death of Lord Skelmersdale. This time all members of the House of Lords are eligible to vote.
The list of candidates and their short CVs were published earlier this week.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2018/Arrangements-by-election-17-12-18.pdf
Would Lord Oranmore and Browne solve the Irish border question given his pedigree?0 -
The least likely thing a conservative government would listen to.HYUFD said:Jolyon Maugham 'The people can prevent a No Deal Brexit with a General Strike'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/people-prevent-no-deal-brexit-general-strike-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Yougov had Remain ahead pre EU referendum and recently had Remain 50% May's Deal 50% and Remain 52% No Deal 48% head to headIanB2 said:
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
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I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
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What do you expect more police to be doing? Holding broomhandles in the air to get the drones down, Simpsons' style ?stodge said:
I'm trying to remember which Government has overseen a fall in Police numbers and the closure of operational stations and which Home Secretary wanted Police off the beat and moving round in vans. As for 2011, my recollection was most areas suffered one night of trouble but it spread round the country over three or four days until a large deployment of Police quietened things down.RoyalBlue said:Dismal on the part of the police and the armed forces.
Then again, why are we surprised? It took several nights of criminal rampage in 2011 before the police realised that perhaps it would be best to try to stop the rioters.
Thanks to New Labour, the leadership of the police is now the same ineffectual caste that infests the civil service. Now that we have Crapita organising recruitment for the armed forces, I’m sure they’ll be next.
Putting aside the party political posturing, I heard a pilot on Sky saying airports in other countries had some way of detecting and dealing with drones and we didn't because we wouldn't pay to get the technology in place.
Typical penny pinching half arsed Britain - I suspect the EU are privately glad to be rid of our rebate-obsessed mean-spirited opt-out riddled half hearted membership.
"Putting aside the party political posturing, I heard a pilot on Sky saying airports in other countries had some way of detecting and dealing with drones and we didn't because we wouldn't pay to get the technology in place."
More likely that the technology doesn't work reliably, or has unforeseen consequences: e.g. blocking radio signals might interfere with other items, and not work at all on drones that had a GPS-based route set up. Unless you want to jam GPS signals as well. That'll have no problems with SatNavs ...0 -
Lasers? Guided missiles? Kamikase drones? Somebody flying alongside with a chopper and a rifle? There are lots of things you can do. It's not even close to impossible.oxfordsimon said:How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.
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It’s all about Northumberland’s wild, undisturbed coastline. An area of outstanding natural beauty I’ll have you know.JosiasJessop said:
Having walked around both, I can honestly say that Essex's coastline may be long, but it is a real ballache to walk around. It's also fairly rubbish - except for a few glorious bits, such as St Peter's Church - http://www.bradwellchapel.org/OldKingCole said:While I yield to no-one in appreciation of my native, albeit not my ancestral, county, the Ordnance Survey says,
'We used our Boundary-Line product, an open dataset, which is at 1:10,000 scale and is the scale also used by the Boundary Commission. Comparing the length of English county coastlines using Boundary-Line high-water data, Essex didn’t top the table. Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).'
The main problem with Cornwall is that it's set up for tourism. Everything is about tourists. Which is fair enough, but gets a bit samey when you;re going through the fifteenth tourist-based village.
Give me the Pembrokeshire coast any day. even Milford Haven is fascinating.0 -
Essentially nothing? I’m glad you’re not involved in the teams trying to stop these drones.oxfordsimon said:
How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.
I’m sure the Israelis could cook up something to take care of this on a Thursday afternoon. They probably already have. Perhaps we should ask for help?0 -
I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.0
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Post of the yearviewcode said:
I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
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I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
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The withdrawal agreement under Article 50 is decided by QMV. The subsequent trade agreement however has to be agreed by all 27 member states.grabcocque said:
I don't think that's true. Ruling from the Chair?Richard_Tyndall said:
It doesn't have to be approved by the parliaments of the EU27. At least not all of them.grabcocque said:
It's not EU approved yet. It's been approved by the EUCO, but it has not yet been approved by the European Parliament, the Parliament of the UK or the Parliaments of the EU27.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.
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Lol
LOLviewcode said:
I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
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bloke in a chopper in a rifle option did *not* work in The Thing.viewcode said:
Lasers? Guided missiles? Kamikase drones? Somebody flying alongside with a chopper and a rifle? There are lots of things you can do. It's not even close to impossible.oxfordsimon said:How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.
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Touché!.JosiasJessop said:
"I thought that description applied to Yorkshire!"OldKingCole said:
I thought that desciption applied to Yorkshire!
If I can explain my concern, it's that Brexit was voted for by people who were disenchanted by what they saw as the attitudes of a 'metropolitan elite'
And, for the avoidance of doubt I voted FOR British involvement in the EU as I did in 1975. And this time, as again I did in '75 I'll do my best to encourage my neighbours to do the same thing. I didn't do enough, I fear and regret, in 2016.
Edited for date. I'm sure we'll have sorted this within 100 years!
It's a self-deprecating alteration of a classic Derbyshire term:
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/dialect1.htm
Yorkshire use something like it as well, but that's just a result of their thieving, whinging and penny-pinching ways,
I've never been called the 'Metropolitan Elite' before. Since I'm rarely happier than when I'm in a tent on a godforsaken hillside, that's probably a weird definition of 'Metropolitan'!
I wonder what the intersection is between the people who pick up their handbags at such terms being used and using them as an excuse for Brexit, and those who say all Muslims should be deported and then cry about free speech when called up about it?
(As an aside, years back someone went online to publicise a book called 'Ey up mi duck' about Derbyshire dialects - I have a copy somewhere. He got rather annoyed by people making jokes, until someone pointed out he had replaced the 'u' in the last word with an 'i' ...)
I recently wrote a short story for the Creative Writing group to which I belong which included some Norfolk dialect..... a character used the word 'bor' when addressing a friend, ...... and was told by another member that not only had she never heard the word but she wouldn't mix with people who used language like that.
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Someone said on R4 that recommendations were made in 2016. The govt may have been distracted I think. If the army's drones are bigger than the drone(s) they want to catch, they could try thisviewcode said:
Lasers? Guided missiles? Kamikase drones? Somebody flying alongside with a chopper and a rifle? There are lots of things you can do. It's not even close to impossible.oxfordsimon said:How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5357575/Drone-catching-drones-armed-nets-hit-Winter-Olympics.html0 -
A number of technical solutions have recently been proposed, including targeting the things with lasers and using signal jamming to cut them off from whoever's controlling them. Regardless, even if we've been doing little or no work on the problem in this country I'm sure the Americans at least have been applying themselves to it. It can't be beyond the wit of man to prevent a twat with a few hundred grams of remote-controlled flying plastic from shutting down an international airport for an entire day.oxfordsimon said:
How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.
In the longer term the authorities need to give more thought to what to do about the threat posed by drones. The things are a menace. People have already strapped guns to drones and fired them mid-air. It's only a matter of time before one is used to deliver an explosive device.0 -
I think it is going to turn out to be Airport Protestors.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
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We need to vote down the drone and negotiate a SuperCopter +++.viewcode said:
I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_BeamRoyalBlue said:
Essentially nothing? I’m glad you’re not involved in the teams trying to stop these drones.oxfordsimon said:
How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.
I’m sure the Israelis could cook up something to take care of this on a Thursday afternoon. They probably already have. Perhaps we should ask for help?
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BannedInParis said:
bloke in a chopper in a rifle option did *not* work in The Thing.viewcode said:
Lasers? Guided missiles? Kamikase drones? Somebody flying alongside with a chopper and a rifle? There are lots of things you can do. It's not even close to impossible.oxfordsimon said:How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.
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Thanks!viewcode said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_BeamRoyalBlue said:
Essentially nothing? I’m glad you’re not involved in the teams trying to stop these drones.oxfordsimon said:
How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.
I’m sure the Israelis could cook up something to take care of this on a Thursday afternoon. They probably already have. Perhaps we should ask for help?
(I googled)
God bless the State of Israel. Now, if only they’d finish it...0 -
Agree at the area around St Peters. Otherwise the Essex coast North and North-East of Maldon is a bird-watchers heaven in winter. That's until one gets past Mersea Island. South of St Peters is pretty good too.JosiasJessop said:
Having walked around both, I can honestly say that Essex's coastline may be long, but it is a real ballache to walk around. It's also fairly rubbish - except for a few glorious bits, such as St Peter's Church - http://www.bradwellchapel.org/OldKingCole said:While I yield to no-one in appreciation of my native, albeit not my ancestral, county, the Ordnance Survey says,
'We used our Boundary-Line product, an open dataset, which is at 1:10,000 scale and is the scale also used by the Boundary Commission. Comparing the length of English county coastlines using Boundary-Line high-water data, Essex didn’t top the table. Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).'
The main problem with Cornwall is that it's set up for tourism. Everything is about tourists. Which is fair enough, but gets a bit samey when you;re going through the fifteenth tourist-based village.
Give me the Pembrokeshire coast any day. even Milford Haven is fascinating.0 -
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
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Hopefully Rupert Carington will show the same sense and standards as his illustrious father.Verulamius said:By-election watch.
Following the retirement of Lord Northbourne there was a by-election on 28 November for a crossbencher peer elected by the 31 crossbencher peers. Lord Carrington was elected.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2018/Result-by-election-28-11-18.pdf
In January there will be another by-election due to the death of Lord Skelmersdale. This time all members of the House of Lords are eligible to vote.
The list of candidates and their short CVs were published earlier this week.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2018/Arrangements-by-election-17-12-18.pdf
Would Lord Oranmore and Browne solve the Irish border question given his pedigree?0 -
Are we sure Gatwick isn't actually being plagued by a herd of winged golden unicorns arriving in good time to secure their residency in UK PLC0
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If he's that close, it would at least mean we could arrest him over Salisbury and give him five years for conspiracy...Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
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If the stuffed suits who run the forces and the police can’t stop a few drones, I don’t think a war with Russia would end well.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
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I will happily second that. Northumberland's coasst is superb.Gallowgate said:
It’s all about Northumberland’s wild, undisturbed coastline. An area of outstanding natural beauty I’ll have you know.JosiasJessop said:
Having walked around both, I can honestly say that Essex's coastline may be long, but it is a real ballache to walk around. It's also fairly rubbish - except for a few glorious bits, such as St Peter's Church - http://www.bradwellchapel.org/OldKingCole said:While I yield to no-one in appreciation of my native, albeit not my ancestral, county, the Ordnance Survey says,
'We used our Boundary-Line product, an open dataset, which is at 1:10,000 scale and is the scale also used by the Boundary Commission. Comparing the length of English county coastlines using Boundary-Line high-water data, Essex didn’t top the table. Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).'
The main problem with Cornwall is that it's set up for tourism. Everything is about tourists. Which is fair enough, but gets a bit samey when you;re going through the fifteenth tourist-based village.
Give me the Pembrokeshire coast any day. even Milford Haven is fascinating.
I did meet a rather odd man on the beach below Bamburgh Castle who, when I said I was walking around the coast, kept on insisting I was walking the 'wrong way'. And I wasn't even walking widdershins ...0 -
I think the front page of the Mail had it about right. All Corbyn is doing now is reinforcing the fact that the electorate would be stupid to believe a word he says let alone trust him or his party. He has dug himself I’m so deep that apologising now would just confirm what most of us think. Still, we can’t expect anything different from the leader of a party in which misogyny is rife.0
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This is not so much managed no-drone as unmanaged no-planewilliamglenn said:
We need to vote down the drone and negotiate a SuperCopter +++.viewcode said:
I believe the "managed no-drone" scenario (aka the "WTO no-drone" scenario) is to point out that we coped with no Gatwick during WW2 and that the drones will suffer worseGallowgate said:This is ridiculous. What the hell are the authorities doing?
I feel very sorry for those whose Christmases have been ruined.0 -
So - tis the season to be jolly part 1....
I was in a supermarket with my wife lunchtime to pick up a few ((£196!!!!!!) things.
Very busy, not easy to navigate a way through each aisle.
As we pass down one I nudge someones trolley as I pass it - not deliberately.
A slight nudge no more.
I apologise straight away with a smile.
The person turns round and the next words out of his mouth are..........
"touch my trolley again and I will break your fecking jaw"
I look at this "gentleman" - he must be in his 70's if he is a day.........
Merry xmas one and all!!!!
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So are using radiological or chemical weapons against civilian targets.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?0 -
Which is unbelievably good for Leave given the fact that the news flow since the referendum has been totally negative and the scaremongering verging on paranoia.HYUFD said:
Yougov had Remain ahead pre EU referendum and recently had Remain 50% May's Deal 50% and Remain 52% No Deal 48% head to headIanB2 said:
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
Well, this one is up and running...RoyalBlue said:
Thanks!viewcode said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_BeamRoyalBlue said:
Essentially nothing? I’m glad you’re not involved in the teams trying to stop these drones.oxfordsimon said:
How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.Black_Rook said:
Or it could just be that the Government is floundering? It wouldn't exactly be the first time.Scott_P said:
Regardless, serious questions will be asked if an incident like this is allowed to occur again.
This feels like what could be the first of many disruptions of this sort. It causes massive inconvenience and it is easy to do.
I’m sure the Israelis could cook up something to take care of this on a Thursday afternoon. They probably already have. Perhaps we should ask for help?
(I googled)
God bless the State of Israel. Now, if only they’d finish it...
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Such a man of the people.......HYUFD said:Jolyon Maugham 'The people can prevent a No Deal Brexit with a General Strike'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/people-prevent-no-deal-brexit-general-strike-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Sounds like the usual pre-xmas food madness.Floater said:So - tis the season to be jolly part 1....
I was in a supermarket with my wife lunchtime to pick up a few ((£196!!!!!!) things.
Very busy, not easy to navigate a way through each aisle.
As we pass down one I nudge someones trolley as I pass it - not deliberately.
A slight nudge no more.
I apologise straight away with a smile.
The person turns round and the next words out of his mouth are..........
"touch my trolley again and I will break your fecking jaw"
I look at this "gentleman" - he must be in his 70's if he is a day.........
Merry xmas one and all!!!!
I saw two women literally fighting over the last joint of beef at our local supermarket last year.
The shop assistant who sorted out told me afterwards it was all bloody silly, as new stocks were about to be put on the shelf.
Still, all good practice for April 2019.0 -
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.0 -
The rules they would operate under during a war with Russia would be very different to the rules they operate under now, in peacetime.RoyalBlue said:
If the stuffed suits who run the forces and the police can’t stop a few drones, I don’t think a war with Russia would end well.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
One of the glorious, and little discussed, things about Britain are the rights and freedoms we have up during World War II, and the way most (all?) seamlessly returned after the war.
(There were exceptions, a book I read mentioned a law that was passed restricting freedoms, that was soon withdrawn as there was widespread condemnation of it. Annoyingly I cannot remember what it was - perhaps something to do with people of Germanic ancestry.)0 -
Erm, maybe we should try to destroy them rather than just hope they go away? Lord help us.williamglenn said:
@Dura_Ace - what’s the smallest target an ASRAAM could hit?0 -
I would strongly advise you not to let anyone from Salisbury hear you calling it 'a small town.'Richard_Nabavi said:
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.0 -
Yes there are no guarantees Remain would win any EUref2AmpfieldAndy said:
Which is unbelievably good for Leave given the fact that the news flow since the referendum has been totally negative and the scaremongering verging on paranoia.HYUFD said:
Yougov had Remain ahead pre EU referendum and recently had Remain 50% May's Deal 50% and Remain 52% No Deal 48% head to headIanB2 said:
60:40 is needed to settle the matter. Latest YouGov suggests we are more or less there already.Black_Rook said:
If we suspend our scepticism about the accuracy of opinion polls for a moment, and imagine that a "People's Vote" might end up with a result somewhere in the ballpark of Yes to leaving the Union 45%, No to leaving the Union 55%, then how far do we think that would get us in the long run?Scott_P said:
The last 45:55 split in one of these rotten referendums didn't exactly make the issue go away.0 -
All of your solutions only work once a breach of airspace has taken place. Airport perimeters are vast. We can't have permanent helicopter patrols covering all of them.viewcode said:
Lasers? Guided missiles? Kamikase drones? Somebody flying alongside with a chopper and a rifle? There are lots of things you can do. It's not even close to impossible.oxfordsimon said:How do you propose to stop it? There is essentially nothing you can do to prevent a drone being flown into an airport if someone wants to do it.
There are solutions that can take them down once they are over the prohibited air space - but no solution that I can imagine that would stop the incursion from taking place in the first place.
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This Christmas feels more anxious, angry and frantic than last year. Then again, I’ve been away for months so maybe I’m still not acclimatised to life in the Big Smoke.Floater said:So - tis the season to be jolly part 1....
I was in a supermarket with my wife lunchtime to pick up a few ((£196!!!!!!) things.
Very busy, not easy to navigate a way through each aisle.
As we pass down one I nudge someones trolley as I pass it - not deliberately.
A slight nudge no more.
I apologise straight away with a smile.
The person turns round and the next words out of his mouth are..........
"touch my trolley again and I will break your fecking jaw"
I look at this "gentleman" - he must be in his 70's if he is a day.........
Merry xmas one and all!!!!0 -
Good point! A small city.ydoethur said:
I would strongly advise you not to let anyone from Salisbury hear you calling it 'a small town.'Richard_Nabavi said:
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.0 -
It's technically a city of course but it is small - 2011 census population 40,302, which I confess was much lower than I had assumed.ydoethur said:
I would strongly advise you not to let anyone from Salisbury hear you calling it 'a small town.'Richard_Nabavi said:
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.
EDIT: tbf the Salisbury 'urban zone' had a population of over 62,000 in 2011, which seems more reasonable.0 -
My inexpert views:
1) This is organised, but not highly organised. In that there is probably more than one person involved, but real chaos would see Heathrow, Stansted, Manchester, Birmingham etc having the same thing happen). It's also probably not too expensive to pull off.
2) It is not directly endangering lives, because the airport authorities have acted in the proper manner. As such I cannot see it as 'terrorism'. If they wanted terror, lasers are a much 'easier', discriminate, dangerous and cheaper method.
3) Over reactions to this might risk life more than the actual act itself, e.g. trying to shoot the drones out of the sky.
4) Technologically, this is quite hard to combat.
Given this, I reckon it's airport protestors reacting to the recent guilty verdicts in trials.
How would I combat it? One easy thing: immediately announce a reward of a million pounds to anyone not directly involved who gives evidence that leads to the jailing of the people doing this. It'll be far less than its cost people and airlines.0 -
Larger than Truro or Lichfield.Benpointer said:
It's technically a city of course but it is small - 2011 census population 40,302, which I confess was much lower than I had assumed.ydoethur said:
I would strongly advise you not to let anyone from Salisbury hear you calling it 'a small town.'Richard_Nabavi said:
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.
Edit - anyway, I would describe 'forty thousand' as medium sized, not small.0 -
But smaller than many towns (c.f. my home town Hastings at 98,000).ydoethur said:
Larger than Truro or Lichfield.Benpointer said:
It's technically a city of course but it is small - 2011 census population 40,302, which I confess was much lower than I had assumed.ydoethur said:
I would strongly advise you not to let anyone from Salisbury hear you calling it 'a small town.'Richard_Nabavi said:
He's used nerve agents in a small UK town, and his cyber warfare experts regularly try to disrupt Western economies and probably elections, so I wouldn't put it past him.rottenborough said:
That would be an act of war surely?Richard_Nabavi said:
I suspect he may be.AndyJS said:I hope Putin isn't behind the drones.
I agree with @Richard_Tyndall that it could be airport protesters of some sort, but this seems to be on a rather large scale, over an extended period, and using heavy drones. That points to some well-funded and organised group.
Ii has great facilities though - good museums, shops, restaurants (mainly chains tbf), cafes, and has to be one of the prettiest small city centres in England.0 -
Still, I am sure we will be able to handle a No Deal Brexit, no sweat.williamglenn said:0
