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Sammy Wilson of DUP and Rees Mogg both confirm on record they’ll back PM in a confidence vote if Labour gets its debate
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Corbyn is thick as mince.
No wonder he voted Leave.0 -
Oh and E Pluribus Unum time.0
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Dan Hodges thinks it's doomed.
Labour nailed on to win it.0 -
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.0 -
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Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a motion of no-confidence...
It's like Colgate promoting bad-breath.
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Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.0
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So with May looking odds on to win any vote, the government will no doubt shoot themselves in the foot by not allowing time for it.0
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Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he-1 -
I get the timing. I think Labour have been right to delay a no confidence vote and right that today's fiasco is the right trigger to cgange that stance. What I don't get is the Skinny Latte version on the VoNC which inevitably will get bogged down in procedural wrangling and process story. By definition VoNC aren't suitable for decaff options. The government either loses or they win tieing backbenchers ( and the DUP ) to the sinking ship. But they are clarifying devices. If you don't actually want to clarify the situation then you don't introduce a VoNC in the first place. A skinny latte VoNC is too clever by half which in presentational terms isn't clever at all.
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He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
And lose the whip and be deselected - not going to happenOort said:Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.
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Hard to disagree with Dan Hodges comment above. Looks like Corbyn has just shot himself in the foot - united the Tories when no-one else and nothing else was capable of it.0
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Not especially, but circumstances could still work in his favour as he can be the right man in the right moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he0 -
They’ll certainly do precisely that - but not for a muppet like Corbyn.Oort said:Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.
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Hmmmmmmmm....Andrew said:47.999999 letters confirmed:
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As a matter of interest how do you see that happeningkle4 said:
Not especially, but circumstances could still work in his favour as he can be the right man in the right moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he0 -
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.0 -
United them for one motion. Hardly going to stay united come the Meaningful Vote.kle4 said:
Not especially, but circumstances could still work in his favour as he can be the right man in the right moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he0 -
Of course they would say that. Whether they mean it remains to be seen.anothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.0 -
So peston tweet suggests corbyn cock-up re VONC in May rather than government.0
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Meanwhile in the real world consumers, investors and businesses look to have started pushing the no deal contigency buttons last month so God alone knows what S
December is going to have done to confidence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out we are in the first quarter of a technical recession. Worse still flatlining the economy is May's strategy. A vote in week begining 14/1 is all about bthe backdrop of retail apocalypse in early January, miserable year ahead forcasts and a Carillion style Brexit relocation announcement or two. Today she shot the first hostage and released the tape online.0 -
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
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May will win this vote as well which should secure her position s bit before the New Year.
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Sink in to who though?williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
How is she going to get a majority with the DUP implacably opposed on principle, and Labour implacably opposed by opportunism?0 -
Corbyn IS crap shockerFrancisUrquhart said:So peston tweet suggests corbyn cock-up re VONC in May rather than government.
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She does not see it that way of courseanothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.
January 14th is a way off and post Xmas, when most of the UK will be partying and having fun and not thinking of brexit
By mid January opinions may have been influenced by polls, the lack of alternatives, and the stark reality of a no deal just a few weeks away
And the EU position or otherwise will be firmly on the table0 -
It was more of a hypothetical recognising that as disliked as he is by many he is liked by others, and that in a suitably chaotic moment or following Tory infighting he can win the day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a matter of interest how do you see that happeningkle4 said:
Not especially, but circumstances could still work in his favour as he can be the right man in the right moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
If I were to speculate on a particular scenario it would be that as polls move further to remain and May continues to dither, and Corbyn still cannot get a GE, he will switch support to a second referendum. The DUP might accept that depending on the question and agree to bring down the government on that basis, that they will support him for that action only and then a GE to follow.
But I accept that is not a likely outcome.0 -
I'm sure the UK's disintergrating government and wider political chaos have the EU shaking in their boots.RobD said:
Of course they would say that. Whether they mean it remains to be seen.anothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.0 -
Sink in so that they are forced to put their real cards on the table. If the choice is deal, no deal or no Brexit, people arguing against the deal need to be honest about their alternative and how they want to get there.Philip_Thompson said:
Sink in to who though?williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
How is she going to get a majority with the DUP implacably opposed on principle, and Labour implacably opposed by opportunism?0 -
If Corbyn values an election above all, he could let the deal pass then try again with the DUP pulling the plug.Philip_Thompson said:
Sink in to who though?williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
How is she going to get a majority with the DUP implacably opposed on principle, and Labour implacably opposed by opportunism?
It might wreck his chances of becoming PM in a subsequent election of course if recent polling is to be believed. The irony of the opportunist being destroyed by his opportunism would be delicious.0 -
What have we come to that Corbyn has influence over us?
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Did he, or did Theresa and Nick Timothy?TheScreamingEagles said:
He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
And if it gets voted down? What then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She does not see it that way of courseanothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.
January 14th is a way off and post Xmas, when most of the UK will be partying and having fun and not thinking of brexit
By mid January opinions may have been influenced by polls, the lack of alternatives, and the stark reality of a no deal just a few weeks away
And the EU position or otherwise will be firmly on the table
At least if it got voted down on the original timetable there was the possibility (no guarantee) of a possible renegotiation and then ratification after something changed. If it gets voted down in January then what next?0 -
So do you think there is a serious possibility that MPs are going to undergo a Damascene conversion and decide to support the deal? Because that is the only possible justification for delay.williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
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In their case, a tax was definitely not the best form of defence.Casino_Royale said:
Did he, or did Theresa and Nick Timothy?TheScreamingEagles said:
He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
No Corbyn has proved once again to be a 24 carat clown. Mrs May has just proven she is a deft performer, likely as not she will get her dreadful deal through in January. Running the clock down and ramping up no deal Brexit is nothing short of genius.TheScreamingEagles said:
He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
DUP won't pull the plug if Corbyn lets it get through. Why should they?ydoethur said:
If Corbyn values an election above all, he could let the deal pass then try again with the DUP pulling the plug.Philip_Thompson said:
Sink in to who though?williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
How is she going to get a majority with the DUP implacably opposed on principle, and Labour implacably opposed by opportunism?
It might wreck his chances of becoming PM in a subsequent election of course if recent polling is to be believed. The irony of the opportunist being destroyed by his opportunism would be delicious.0 -
The day Corbyn backs a referendum is the day he loses most of England outside the citieskle4 said:
It was more of a hypothetical recognising that as disliked as he is by many he is liked by others, and that in a suitably chaotic moment or following Tory infighting he can win the day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a matter of interest how do you see that happeningkle4 said:
Not especially, but circumstances could still work in his favour as he can be the right man in the right moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
If I were to speculate on a particular scenario it would be that as polls move further to remain and May continues to dither, and Corbyn still cannot get a GE, he will switch support to a second referendum. The DUP might accept that depending on the question and agree to bring down the government on that basis, that they will support him for that action only and then a GE to follow.
But I accept that is not a likely outcome.0 -
Well indeed.Yellow_Submarine said:
I'm sure the UK's disintergrating government and wider political chaos have the EU shaking in their boots.RobD said:
Of course they would say that. Whether they mean it remains to be seen.anothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.
The deal's best chance was a new leader who could unite the government and stop the chaos.
Instead we have dithering May.0 -
If it's not a FTPA motion then the DUP are irrelevant because May - who after all holds Parliament in contempt - will just instruct her lot not to turn up to the vote again and pretend that nothing has changed.0
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How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?0
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lol. What was the tweet? Did they not read the FTPA or something?FrancisUrquhart said:So peston tweet suggests corbyn cock-up re VONC in May rather than government.
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Bit of both. His policy on tuition fees was undoubtedly successful just as May’s policies on social care and fox hunting went down like a cup of cold sick. What Corbyn has was his ability as a campaigner and people willing to support him courtesy inf Momentum. May had neither.Casino_Royale said:
Did he, or did Theresa and Nick Timothy?TheScreamingEagles said:
He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
50/50.Casino_Royale said:
Did he, or did Theresa and Nick Timothy?TheScreamingEagles said:
He is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just thinking this through
TM won her confidence vote from the party last week, the weekend polls show her popularity at 47%, and now Corbyn has united the ERG and DUP behind TM consolidating TM even further
Corbyn is not very good at politics is he
He turned a 25% Tory lead into him nearly becoming PM last year.0 -
And there is the problem for the HOCPhilip_Thompson said:
And if it gets voted down? What then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She does not see it that way of courseanothernick said:
Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.kle4 said:
Only the DUP are allowed to play games, how dare Labour encroach on their turf?Big_G_NorthWales said:DUP to support TM in vote says Nigel Dodds
Considers labour are playing games
May's position is no better than it was if she wins, or the vote is not held in a timely matter, so it is not that bad for Labour even if it does not go very well.
January 14th is a way off and post Xmas, when most of the UK will be partying and having fun and not thinking of brexit
By mid January opinions may have been influenced by polls, the lack of alternatives, and the stark reality of a no deal just a few weeks away
And the EU position or otherwise will be firmly on the table
At least if it got voted down on the original timetable there was the possibility (no guarantee) of a possible renegotiation and then ratification after something changed. If it gets voted down in January then what next?
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I think delaying it gives space for people to debate what comes next less chaotically and for us to get a more settled view of public opinion.anothernick said:
So do you think there is a serious possibility that MPs are going to undergo a Damascene conversion and decide to support the deal? Because that is the only possible justification for delay.williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
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A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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If there is a batch of bad economic news coming after Xmas, it could weaken her hand, particularly as far as using no deal as a threat is concerned.Yellow_Submarine said:Meanwhile in the real world consumers, investors and businesses look to have started pushing the no deal contigency buttons last month so God alone knows what S
December is going to have done to confidence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out we are in the first quarter of a technical recession. Worse still flatlining the economy is May's strategy. A vote in week begining 14/1 is all about bthe backdrop of retail apocalypse in early January, miserable year ahead forcasts and a Carillion style Brexit relocation announcement or two. Today she shot the first hostage and released the tape online.
There is some pressure from Tories on ConHome to use the VONC to finish the job; it only takes a few switchers to sink the vote, so her winning isn't guaranteed.
Nevertheless it is Labour's sinking poll ratings that is the biggest story here. Given the circumstances the government is in, the opposition being behind is almost unbelievable. I can't see another meaningless vote (assuming they don't go for a proper VONC) helping them at all; people simply want to know what alternative approach the opposition is offering.0 -
Paid someone to sit the exams for him ?dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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Tbf there are the first signs today that even the ERG are finally starting to realise that they have been total c**ks and done big damage to their cause and credibility.anothernick said:
So do you think there is a serious possibility that MPs are going to undergo a Damascene conversion and decide to support the deal? Because that is the only possible justification for delay.williamglenn said:
I think she feels MPs need to come to terms with how narrow the options are first and an extra few weeks will allow time for it to sink in.anothernick said:Quite. Corbyn's confidence motion might not be the deftest political move ever made but leaving party politics aside how on earth can May defend the decision to put off the vote for another month? The EU has made clear that there will be no more negotiation on the WA, it's take it or leave it. The agreement has been in the public domain for a month or so and we have less than 100 days left before March 29th. If the agreement is not acceptable to a majority of MPs, and it seems it's not, then we need to come up with another way forward PDQ. It is the Prime Minister's responsibility to lead that process and she is egregiously failing in her duty by refusing to do so.
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Nah, 2001, last year of Linear A-levels before Blair screwed up and Gove screwed up more.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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Manhole covers and Gardening?dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1074767895601799173
Both PM and LOTO skying the ball over that bar for their respective open goals?0 -
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He had battles to fight on the front line of the revolution.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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Grieve has said he's standing down at the next election and Soubry must know Broxtowe is gone as she only hung on by the skin of her teeth in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And lose the whip and be deselected - not going to happenOort said:Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.
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Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.0 -
Hmm. It is playing games by having it be in PM rather than government, but I'm trying to imagine how it looks to the layman, and it does seem like it would be that the gov are running scared of the vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It's a shame the TV debate never took place; had May and Corbyn been head to head on prime TV, it would have been very difficult for her then to have pulled the vote.0
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No there isn't. Anyone who backs a Labour VoNC against a Conservative government is not a Tory.IanB2 said:There is some pressure from Tories on ConHome to use the VONC to finish the job; it only takes a few switchers to sink the vote, so her winning isn't guaranteed.
Anyone on ContinuityIDS backing that explains why it is viewed contemptuously as UKIPHome.0 -
Being deselected leaves a political marker and doubt looks good for any recognition in the honours listGIN1138 said:
Grieve has said he's standing down at the next election and Soubry must know Broxtowe is gone as she only hung n by the skin of her teeth in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And lose the whip and be deselected - not going to happenOort said:Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.
They might think they have nothing to lose
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A handful of Tories may be prepared to be suicide bombers for the right target at the right moment but this is neither and Corbyn has given them vests with no detonators with hus skinny latte VoNC format. No one is going to sacrifice their career for that nor should they.GIN1138 said:
Grieve has said he's standing down at the next election and Soubry must know Broxtowe is gone as she only hung n by the skin of her teeth in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And lose the whip and be deselected - not going to happenOort said:Any word from Tory Remainers such as Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve? Surely some of the 117 MPs who a few days ago expressed the belief in secret that Theresa May shouldn't be Tory leader might have the guts to express the belief in public that she shouldn't be prime minister? Just do it. Get it over with.
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IAWTP.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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That's a very good point.IanB2 said:It's a shame the TV debate never took place; had May and Corbyn been head to head on prime TV, it would have been very difficult for her then to have pulled the vote.
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Any sensible business would have been planning for no deal brexit for a long time.Yellow_Submarine said:Meanwhile in the real world consumers, investors and businesses look to have started pushing the no deal contigency buttons last month so God alone knows what S
December is going to have done to confidence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out we are in the first quarter of a technical recession. Worse still flatlining the economy is May's strategy. A vote in week begining 14/1 is all about bthe backdrop of retail apocalypse in early January, miserable year ahead forcasts and a Carillion style Brexit relocation announcement or two. Today she shot the first hostage and released the tape online.
The industry I work in certainly has far advanced plans.
Indeed, one large component part of that industry goes live with their no deal brexit plans from January 1st - they will remain in place in the event of a deal or even no brexit.
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Or Peston is crap shocker?Slackbladder said:
Corbyn IS crap shockerFrancisUrquhart said:So peston tweet suggests corbyn cock-up re VONC in May rather than government.
Corbyn is trying to avoid the terms of the Conference motion requiring him to call for a referendum if he can't get a general election. So he can't afford to try for a general election, just yet. Yet his party is screaming for him to do something. So he comes up with a pointless something that isn't trying for a general election, focused on May rather than the government.0 -
He did go to one of the best state schools in the country.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
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Dominic Grieve has said he's standing down? When and why? I can't find any reference to it.
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Indeed. And maybe this was what Labour wanted all along. It's an odd move on the part of the government really, if this genuinely would have united all the Tories and the DUP it would be in their interest to hold the vote.kle4 said:
Hmm. It is playing games by having it be in PM rather than government, but I'm trying to imagine how it looks to the layman, and it does seem like it would be that the gov are running scared of the vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Which of the pieces of paper did you get from Cambridge? Ordinary degrees are rare, but I've not met anyone who wasn't outstanding in later life that has such a thing.ydoethur said:
Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.
At A level people failed. I'm not so sure they do so now.
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Yes, it's silly but it is his delaying tactic just as May has been trying her own. The two deserve each other.IanB2 said:
Or Peston is crap shocker?Slackbladder said:
Corbyn IS crap shockerFrancisUrquhart said:So peston tweet suggests corbyn cock-up re VONC in May rather than government.
Corbyn is trying to avoid the terms of the Conference motion requiring him to call for a referendum if he can't get a general election. So he can't afford to try for a general election, just yet. Yet his party is screaming for him to do something. So he comes up with a pointless something that isn't trying for a general election, focused on May rather than the government.0 -
But if the government are running scared of the vote, then unless Labour go for the ACTUAL VONC, then all we've got is two political parties frightened of their own shadowskle4 said:
Hmm. It is playing games by having it be in PM rather than government, but I'm trying to imagine how it looks to the layman, and it does seem like it would be that the gov are running scared of the vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think GIN1138 is peddling fake news or been on the gin.ydoethur said:Dominic Grieve has said he's standing down? When and why? I can't find any reference to it.
He would be a loss to national life.0 -
There has got to be something more to it. He isn’t an MP with speeding convictions, his whole life has been bikes and trucks. It is very bizarre.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic: a very odd story about Guy Martin:
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I think it a great shame that someone like Dominic Grieve will no longer be in Parliament after the next General Election.
We are not exactly over-supplied with principled and intelligent MPs. To lose one of the few we have is a pity.0 -
You would be sure wrongly. I have had several students fail.Omnium said:
Which of the pieces of paper did you get from Cambridge? Ordinary degrees are rare, but I've not met anyone who wasn't outstanding in later life that has such a thing.ydoethur said:
Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.
At A level people failed. I'm not so sure they do so now.
And I went to a proper university.0 -
Incidentally, I was quoting somebody who was a lecturer at Cambridge for thirty years. Who are you relying on?Omnium said:
Which of the pieces of paper did you get from Cambridge? Ordinary degrees are rare, but I've not met anyone who wasn't outstanding in later life that has such a thing.ydoethur said:
Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.
At A level people failed. I'm not so sure they do so now.
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I read his book. He's had run-ins with the law before so I'm hugely surprised by this.FrancisUrquhart said:
There has got to be something more to it. He isn’t an MP with speeding convictions, his whole life has been bikes and trucks. It is very bizarre.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic: a very odd story about Guy Martin:
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Yes, neither party (leadership) actually wants to vote on anything meaningful. Hence the spectacle of Parliament day after day talking about nothing.solarflare said:
But if the government are running scared of the vote, then unless Labour go for the ACTUAL VONC, then all we've got is two political parties frightened of their own shadowskle4 said:
Hmm. It is playing games by having it be in PM rather than government, but I'm trying to imagine how it looks to the layman, and it does seem like it would be that the gov are running scared of the vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'm sure he announced a few months ago that he wouldn't be standing in the next election, but I could be wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think GIN1138 is peddling fake news or been on the gin.ydoethur said:Dominic Grieve has said he's standing down? When and why? I can't find any reference to it.
He would be a loss to national life.0 -
NHS Trusts have been instructed not to plan for No Deal. The Department of Health will do that, so we are f***ed.Floater said:
Any sensible business would have been planning for no deal brexit for a long time.Yellow_Submarine said:Meanwhile in the real world consumers, investors and businesses look to have started pushing the no deal contigency buttons last month so God alone knows what S
December is going to have done to confidence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out we are in the first quarter of a technical recession. Worse still flatlining the economy is May's strategy. A vote in week begining 14/1 is all about bthe backdrop of retail apocalypse in early January, miserable year ahead forcasts and a Carillion style Brexit relocation announcement or two. Today she shot the first hostage and released the tape online.
The industry I work in certainly has far advanced plans.
Indeed, one large component part of that industry goes live with their no deal brexit plans from January 1st - they will remain in place in the event of a deal or even no brexit.0 -
I've asked someone at Beaconsfield Conservatives and they say you're wrong.GIN1138 said:
I'm sure he announced a few months ago that he wouldn't be standing in the next election, but I could be wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think GIN1138 is peddling fake news or been on the gin.ydoethur said:Dominic Grieve has said he's standing down? When and why? I can't find any reference to it.
He would be a loss to national life.0 -
I've no argument with Hull's reputation...ydoethur said:
You would be sure wrongly. I have had several students fail.Omnium said:
Which of the pieces of paper did you get from Cambridge? Ordinary degrees are rare, but I've not met anyone who wasn't outstanding in later life that has such a thing.ydoethur said:
Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.
At A level people failed. I'm not so sure they do so now.
And I went to a proper university.
Tricky ground when it's your student's that are underperforming.
'A' level grades have declined substantially in merit, as have degree classes. I don't think this is a UK thing - it's much more general.0 -
I wonder if Corbyn will now move a formal VONC in the government. I fail to see though how this resolves the Brexit conundrum. I wish the MV had happened last week and if it had not passed now MPs were working to find a solution that honours the referendum and protects jobs and the economy.0
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It's difficult to know what Jeremy was thinking. Maybe he felt sorry for her.0
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OK. My mistake. I must have been thinking of someone else (Maybe Ken Clarke?)TheScreamingEagles said:
I've asked someone at Beaconsfield Conservatives and they say you're wrong.GIN1138 said:
I'm sure he announced a few months ago that he wouldn't be standing in the next election, but I could be wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think GIN1138 is peddling fake news or been on the gin.ydoethur said:Dominic Grieve has said he's standing down? When and why? I can't find any reference to it.
He would be a loss to national life.0 -
Where’s the U.K. in this future?
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120483_german-automakers-commit-to-massive-battery-purchases-sidestep-some-hard-realities
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Well, given I agree that despite what May is saying the government is preparing for a second referendum, I would say it is the former. As public opinion moves Labour want to get ahead of it without seeming like they are u-turning or changing position at all.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Indeed. One of May's more indefensible decisions.chloe said:I wonder if Corbyn will now move a formal VONC in the government. I fail to see though how this resolves the Brexit conundrum. I wish the MV had happened last week and if it had not passed now MPs were working to find a solution that honours the referendum and protects jobs and the economy.
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That, unfortunately, is not true. They are now very hard to get. They're all the harder when the marking criteria is wrong because Amanda Spielman is a lowlife and Gove is a failure, and the Principal Exmainer for one module was so dense he didn't know the Duke of Suffolk was murdered in 1450.Omnium said:
I've no argument with Hull's reputation...ydoethur said:
You would be sure wrongly. I have had several students fail.Omnium said:
Which of the pieces of paper did you get from Cambridge? Ordinary degrees are rare, but I've not met anyone who wasn't outstanding in later life that has such a thing.ydoethur said:
Possibly harder to get top grades, but pass level was easy.Omnium said:
Much harder in his day, but if a Uni liked you you could still study and get a grant with two Es. I guess no-one liked him. I can see why.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Levels were easier in his day, they've considerably harder afterwards, peaking in 1997.dyingswan said:How the hell did Corbyn manage to get 2 Es at A Level?
Not just A-levels either. A degree without honours at Cambridge was a piece of paper with some Latin on it.
At A level people failed. I'm not so sure they do so now.
And I went to a proper university.
Tricky ground when it's your student's that are underperforming.
'A' level grades have declined substantially in merit, as have degree classes. I don't think this is a UK thing - it's much more general.
And as for the abuse about my students underperforming, sit them yourself before you try to bully anyone further with your lies and ignorance. If you get a decent mark, by all means criticise. You would fail, because you can't even write simple sentences correctly, but that would at least be very funny.0 -
Perhaps, but it is a harder point to get across that 'This is not a true VONC in the government and that is why we are ignoring it' than 'The government is afraid of this VONC'.solarflare said:
But if the government are running scared of the vote, then unless Labour go for the ACTUAL VONC, then all we've got is two political parties frightened of their own shadowskle4 said:
Hmm. It is playing games by having it be in PM rather than government, but I'm trying to imagine how it looks to the layman, and it does seem like it would be that the gov are running scared of the vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The day she put herself before country. Totally lost me at that point.kle4 said:
Indeed. One of May's more indefensible decisions.chloe said:I wonder if Corbyn will now move a formal VONC in the government. I fail to see though how this resolves the Brexit conundrum. I wish the MV had happened last week and if it had not passed now MPs were working to find a solution that honours the referendum and protects jobs and the economy.
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