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You must be easily amused. It was barely funny the first time. Which was a long long time ago.Recidivist said:
It's tiresome for the first 20 or so times. But after a while it becomes funny again. A bit like the running jokes in Private Eye.Anazina said:
I think I speak for most people. This is utterly fucking tiresome. You have a PhD. Do something else.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857grabcocque said:Corbyn is an excellent campaigner. He overturned a 20pt May lead in a month and a half.
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+1 also. Compared to the other alternatives he'd get my vote.IanB2 said:
And +1. I am fed up with these child politicians; it is time for the grown ups.numbertwelve said:
Another +1 from me. I don’t agree with everything he says but he is head and shoulders above the current crop and one of the best PMs we never had.tottenhamWC said:
+1 as well. He has principles (would have been PM long ago without them) and is materially better than the current shower of politiciansThe_Taxman said:
+1ThomasNashe said:Interesting interview with Ken Clarke on C4 News. His renewed visibility over the last few days is significant. It looks like he's gearing up to lead a coalition of the sane out of this unholy mess. Let's hope so. It would be a brilliant culmination to a great career: the new Churchill coming back to lead his country away from the abyss.
KC 4 PM
He is a great communicator, excellent judgement, not afraid of making hard choices/ decisions that might make him unpopular in some quarters.0 -
I dont know if I Camerbert to read such puns.Benpointer said:
It's just a poll - let's wait for the grate referendum before we get excited shall we?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
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Er, no. Just no.Recidivist said:
It's tiresome for the first 20 or so times. But after a while it becomes funny again. A bit like the running jokes in Private Eye.Anazina said:
I think I speak for most people. This is utterly fucking tiresome. You have a PhD. Do something else.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857grabcocque said:Corbyn is an excellent campaigner. He overturned a 20pt May lead in a month and a half.
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Oh come, come. She is right out of the middle of the Tory tradition. A commitment to common sense, Britishness, pragmatism, service to the community and a set of ruinously wrong ideas about how the economy works.AmpfieldAndy said:
Nothing much Conservative or conservative about May.Recidivist said:
Absolutely. And it rather proves that they were never Conservatives in the first place.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A group talking of voting against the party in a vnoc is unacceptablenotme said:
Come on your are hyperboling a little there. The ERG traditional right wing in the Conservative Party tradition of right wing. They want to leave the EU at any and all costs, that obsession is what separates them from the "what is right is what works" tradition of the Conservatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I never thought I would see theparty through this crisis but if ERG take over I may offer myself to the Lib Dems and as I am only a few months older than Vince, I think, even then, I could do a better job of leading them to electoral success !!!!!!!RobD said:
Agent G: your mission, if you choose to accept it.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may come to pass if the ultras have anything to do with itIanB2 said:
Judging from your posts here, I'd say unreservedly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If ERG take over my party would I be welcomed in the Lib Dems do you thinkIanB2 said:
Good on you for at least considering it!Big_G_NorthWales said:
.Luckyguy1983 said:
I nominate Big G.grabcocque said:Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm not trying to convincegrabcocque said:
As I keep sayinge.
Who in their right mind would want to lead the "deal" campaign?
Remain betrays the referendum
So all in all Deal for me but if not remain
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And tonight TM is laughing and having fun in her constitiency at a social gathering. This woman has type 1 diabetes (I have type 2) and her stamina is medically defying all logic
It will hang on whether the ultras really mean it when they say they would rather remain than back the deal. If they do, Remain will walk it. If they don't, there might be a contest.
They're not my cup of tea and i think their obsessiveness is generally destructive, but ultra right wing (with the historical connotations) is really not an accurate description.0 -
There are stiltons left where that one came from.Foxy said:
I dont know if I Camerbert to read such puns.Benpointer said:
It's just a poll - let's wait for the grate referendum before we get excited shall we?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
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Give it to the dog must get a few %dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
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He won't.Floater said:0 -
He'll be there, but he won't be involved.Benpointer said:
He won't.Floater said:0 -
Our dog would say: "You have the bit that's left over - I'll eat the stuff you've grated"IanB2 said:
Give it to the dog must get a few %dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
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The name of the property is a nice touch.JosiasJessop said:In honour of the splits in the country, I have changed my profile picture to a scene I found outside a couple of houses during a walk a few months ago.
I wonder if the neighbours get on?0 -
Very funny. She’s displayed none of those qualities and is the most anti-business, PM I can recall. What she you think she has dine in the one nation conservative tradition is beyond me.Recidivist said:
Oh come, come. She is right out of the middle of the Tory tradition. A commitment to common sense, Britishness, pragmatism, service to the community and a set of ruinously wrong ideas about how the economy works.AmpfieldAndy said:
Nothing much Conservative or conservative about May.Recidivist said:
Absolutely. And it rather proves that they were never Conservatives in the first place.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A group talking of voting against the party in a vnoc is unacceptablenotme said:
Come on your are hyperboling a little there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I never thought I would see theparty through this crisis but if ERG take over I may offer myself to the Lib Dems and as I am only a few months older than Vince, I think, even then, I could do a better job of leading them to electoral success !!!!!!!RobD said:
Agent G: your mission, if you choose to accept it.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may come to pass if the ultras have anything to do with itIanB2 said:
Judging from your posts here, I'd say unreservedly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If ERG take over my party would I be welcomed in the Lib Dems do you thinkIanB2 said:
Good on you for at least considering it!Big_G_NorthWales said:
.Luckyguy1983 said:
I nominate Big G.grabcocque said:Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm not trying to convincegrabcocque said:
As I keep sayinge.
Who in their right mind would want to lead the "deal" campaign?
Remain betrays the referendum
So all in all Deal for me but if not remain
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And tonight TM is laughing and having fun in her constitiency at a social gathering. This woman has type 1 diabetes (I have type 2) and her stamina is medically defying all logic
It will hang on whether the ultras really mean it when they say they would rather remain than back the deal. If they do, Remain will walk it. If they don't, there might be a contest.
They're not my cup of tea and i think their obsessiveness is generally destructive, but ultra right wing (with the historical connotations) is really not an accurate description.0 -
I assume May has to make a statement on Monday about EUCO?0
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I'm shocked to say I hadn't noticed that ...IanB2 said:
The name of the property is a nice touch.JosiasJessop said:In honour of the splits in the country, I have changed my profile picture to a scene I found outside a couple of houses during a walk a few months ago.
I wonder if the neighbours get on?
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UVF gain Vauxhallwilliamglenn said:0 -
Blood doesn't improve the taste of cheese anyhow.SandyRentool said:
The headline says 'too small to grate' but the question doesn’t. Fake news!numbertwelve said:grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
How can you keep grating cheese that is too small to grate? A modern day koan for our times.0 -
The most impressive thing about the survey - or questionable, from a scientific perspective - is that every single person polled actually grates cheese. Or at least that the few that don't rounds to zero.SandyRentool said:
The headline says 'too small to grate' but the question doesn’t. Fake news!numbertwelve said:grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
How can you keep grating cheese that is too small to grate? A modern day koan for our times.0 -
What disturbs me the most is the supposed value of 0% given for those who never grate cheese.dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
I can't be the only person in the country who saves themselves the pointless faff and buys grated cheese on the rare occasions that they actually need it? It is to be found in some quantity in bags on the shelves of the local Tesco. They wouldn't keep selling it if they only had one customer for the stuff.
I take this as further confirmation that the polling companies are hopelessly inaccurate, and only score their occasional successes by chance. Otherwise, how could YouGov's sample be so hopelessly skewed that it didn't include any non-graters?0 -
Historical indicators or no Corbyn will have to work hard not to be PM.0
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She can cover it in her daily PMHs (Prime Minister's Humiliations) session.Donny43 said:I assume May has to make a statement on Monday about EUCO?
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Kate Hoey certainly represents a minority strand within contemporary Labour Party thinking.SandyRentool said:
UVF gain Vauxhallwilliamglenn said:
The leadership are somewhat closer to the IRA. Allegedly.0 -
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Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...0 -
Foxy said:
One of the striking thing about recent campaigns and elections has been the paucity of street level activity, apart from the surfeit of Corbynites. I saw only one poster during the Brexit campaign (Leave on IoW). I did one stall in Melton, and there was a Britain First one in Leicester. Both the rallies that I went to (1 Leave in Leicester, 1 Remain in Rutland) had only a couple of dozen in attendance. I did some vote cultivating at work, but there was nothing visible in my suburb. It was an online campaign on both sides.OldKingCole said:
Very true. It seemed to me that the contrast with 1975 was strong. There was a strong IN campaign then; I clearly remember leafletting, stewarding at public meetings and so on. In fact, on Referendum Day I spent about 8 hours driving the Liberals Loudspeaker Van....my wife's mini with a speaker strapped to the roof rack,...... with a plummy-voiced prominent local Conservative urging people to vote.Donny43 said:
A point that the Do Not Leave campaign never grasped.JosiasJessop said:If you want to remain, argue for it. Sell the EU positively - and there is much that is positive to sell. Don't sit back and wait for someone else to do it.
I saw nothing like that this time. I got the impression that the leaders of Remain thought no-one would be daft enough to vote for Johnson and Farage's lies.
And I went looking for campaigners locally.
I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
My street was a mass of political posters and boards.....
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They have been banned in Edinburgh. Perhaps other authorities have done likewise?Foxy said:I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
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You should ask Tesco what they do with the piece of cheese when it becomes too small to grate?Black_Rook said:
What disturbs me the most is the supposed value of 0% given for those who never grate cheese.dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
I can't be the only person in the country who saves themselves the pointless faff and buys grated cheese on the rare occasions that they actually need it? It is to be found in some quantity in bags on the shelves of the local Tesco. They wouldn't keep selling it if they only had one customer for the stuff.
I take this as further confirmation that the polling companies are hopelessly inaccurate, and only score their occasional successes by chance. Otherwise, how could YouGov's sample be so hopelessly skewed that it didn't include any non-graters?0 -
Never underestimate the capacity of the modern British politician to fuck up.kle4 said:Historical indicators or no Corbyn will have to work hard not to be PM.
That said, based on the principle that every Prime Minister for at least the past three or four decades has been worse than the last one, once May's gone we're probably due five years of Corbyn, followed by five years of Boris.
Elections will end after that, because the Government won't be able to afford to print the ballot papers.0 -
I wish I were so lucky. Normally at least the lds in my area put a lot through the letterbox but they were all off in a nearby, winnable seat. In fairness the newly corbynite labour party in the area put in much more effort than usual.tyson said:Foxy said:
One of the striking thing about recent campaigns and elections has been the paucity of street level activity, apart from the surfeit of Corbynites. I saw only one poster during the Brexit campaign (Leave on IoW). I did one stall in Melton, and there was a Britain First one in Leicester. Both the rallies that I went to (1 Leave in Leicester, 1 Remain in Rutland) had only a couple of dozen in attendance. I did some vote cultivating at work, but there was nothing visible in my suburb. It was an online campaign on both sides.OldKingCole said:
Very true. It seemed to me that the contrast with 1975 was strong. There was a strong IN campaign then; I clearly remember leafletting, stewarding at public meetings and so on. In fact, on Referendum Day I spent about 8 hours driving the Liberals Loudspeaker Van....my wife's mini with a speaker strapped to the roof rack,...... with a plummy-voiced prominent local Conservative urging people to vote.Donny43 said:
A point that the Do Not Leave campaign never grasped.JosiasJessop said:If you want to remain, argue for it. Sell the EU positively - and there is much that is positive to sell. Don't sit back and wait for someone else to do it.
I saw nothing like that this time. I got the impression that the leaders of Remain thought no-one would be daft enough to vote for Johnson and Farage's lies.
And I went looking for campaigners locally.
I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
My street was a mass of political posters and boards.....0 -
I don't think there's any 'allegedly' about it. Even Theresa May is closer to the IRA than somebody who'd say that!Black_Rook said:
Kate Hoey certainly represents a minority strand within contemporary Labour Party thinking.SandyRentool said:
UVF gain Vauxhallwilliamglenn said:
The leadership are somewhat closer to the IRA. Allegedly.0 -
Invalid question. Tesco will be using cheese grating robots. They can grate all of the cheese without hurting their robot fingers.IanB2 said:
You should ask Tesco what they do with the piece of cheese when it becomes too small to grate?Black_Rook said:
What disturbs me the most is the supposed value of 0% given for those who never grate cheese.dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
I can't be the only person in the country who saves themselves the pointless faff and buys grated cheese on the rare occasions that they actually need it? It is to be found in some quantity in bags on the shelves of the local Tesco. They wouldn't keep selling it if they only had one customer for the stuff.
I take this as further confirmation that the polling companies are hopelessly inaccurate, and only score their occasional successes by chance. Otherwise, how could YouGov's sample be so hopelessly skewed that it didn't include any non-graters?0 -
Cameron was not worse than Brown.Black_Rook said:
Never underestimate the capacity of the modern British politician to fuck up.kle4 said:Historical indicators or no Corbyn will have to work hard not to be PM.
That said, based on the principle that every Prime Minister for at least the past three or four decades has been worse than the last one, once May's gone we're probably due five years of Corbyn, followed by five years of Boris.
Elections will end after that, because the Government won't be able to afford to print the ballot papers.
Barring one minor omni-shambles. The Referendum.0 -
I guess that might be the answer. Maybe some of the 3% have grating robots at home; they would be very useful for onions? Anyhow I couldn't resist asking Tesco myself, given how many pieces of cheese they must be grating; let's see if I get an answer from them.Black_Rook said:
Invalid question. Tesco will be using cheese grating robots. They can grate all of the cheese without hurting their robot fingers.IanB2 said:
You should ask Tesco what they do with the piece of cheese when it becomes too small to grate?Black_Rook said:
What disturbs me the most is the supposed value of 0% given for those who never grate cheese.dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
I can't be the only person in the country who saves themselves the pointless faff and buys grated cheese on the rare occasions that they actually need it? It is to be found in some quantity in bags on the shelves of the local Tesco. They wouldn't keep selling it if they only had one customer for the stuff.
I take this as further confirmation that the polling companies are hopelessly inaccurate, and only score their occasional successes by chance. Otherwise, how could YouGov's sample be so hopelessly skewed that it didn't include any non-graters?0 -
I might cut the last bit of ungrated cheese with a knife before putting it with the rest.0
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Technically they require advertising consent, but planning enforcement runs so slowly that no council would ever do anything before the election was over. Especially as councils tend to be busy at election times.Scott_P said:
They have been banned in Edinburgh. Perhaps other authorities have done likewise?Foxy said:I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
The decline in the poster habit is a shame; in my six elections we printed fewer each time and still had more left over. Seeing posters go up was a great morale boost for canvassers.0 -
Brown presided over a vast, unsustainable spending boom as Chancellor. Not to mention a regime of financial deregulation that arguably resulted in the British recession being worse than in many other countries. There was also that shambles with the election that never was. And Bigotgate.MarqueeMark said:
Cameron was not worse than Brown.Black_Rook said:
Never underestimate the capacity of the modern British politician to fuck up.kle4 said:Historical indicators or no Corbyn will have to work hard not to be PM.
That said, based on the principle that every Prime Minister for at least the past three or four decades has been worse than the last one, once May's gone we're probably due five years of Corbyn, followed by five years of Boris.
Elections will end after that, because the Government won't be able to afford to print the ballot papers.
Barring one minor omni-shambles. The Referendum.
On the other hand, at least he kept us out of the Euro, and there are positives to be taken from his handling of the financial crisis.
Cameron nearly lost Scotland. Then he undid half-a-century of British foreign policy, contrary to his own wishes, needlessly and by accident. Finally, he ran off and abandoned his party and country to the leadership of a plank of wood.
Theresa May is a plank of wood.
I think there's at least some argument for their having got worse over time.0 -
More on Stamp's sad demise:Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...
"Stamp refused to be moved out of his house, 'Tantallon', in Park Hill Road, Shortlands, because of German bombing during The Blitz. He, aged sixty, and his wife, aged sixty-three, were killed by a bomb's direct hit on the air-raid shelter at their home on 16 April 1941.
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Stamp's son Wilfred was killed at the same time and in the same place, but English law has legal fiction that in the event of the order of deaths being indeterminable, the elder is deemed to have died first. Legally therefore, Wilfred momentarily inherited the peerage: and as a consequence the family had to pay death duty twice. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Stamp,_1st_Baron_Stamp
The estate having to pay death duties twice is just evil.
He was quite a fascinating character, with one or two good quotes attributed to him.0 -
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Maybe it's symptomatic of the general disillusion with politics and politicians.IanB2 said:
Technically they require advertising consent, but planning enforcement runs so slowly that no council would ever do anything before the election was over. Especially as councils tend to be busy at election times.Scott_P said:
They have been banned in Edinburgh. Perhaps other authorities have done likewise?Foxy said:I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
The decline in the poster habit is a shame; in my six elections we printed fewer each time and still had more left over. Seeing posters go up was a great morale boost for canvassers.0 -
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I might cut the last bit of ungrated cheese with a knife before putting it with the rest.
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I'm intrigued to learn Josias is an aficionado of Adrian Vaughan. I wouldn't have expected that.Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...0 -
Of course Edinburgh have taken it to the next level. Originally posters on lamppost were banned, but A-boards outside polling places was permitted.IanB2 said:Technically they require advertising consent, but planning enforcement runs so slowly that no council would ever do anything before the election was over. Especially as councils tend to be busy at election times.
The decline in the poster habit is a shame; in my six elections we printed fewer each time and still had more left over. Seeing posters go up was a great morale boost for canvassers.
Now I think they want to ban all pavement based adverts, which has lots of business very upset0 -
Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?0
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Two weeks closer to No Deal.....Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
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No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
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I believe that's the plan. At the moment, anyway.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
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Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
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200 turkeys voted for turkey May on Tuesday.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
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We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
I had comté expect more from PB on the pun front but I cantal cheese is not your strong topic.Benpointer said:
There are stiltons left where that one came from.Foxy said:
I dont know if I Camerbert to read such puns.Benpointer said:
It's just a poll - let's wait for the grate referendum before we get excited shall we?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
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"Jeremy Corbyn urged to call vote of no confidence in Theresa May next week as his party grows restless"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/14/jeremy-corbyn-urged-call-vote-no-confidence-theresa-may-next/0 -
A straw for Guido to grasp.HYUFD said:0 -
This will end with a pheasants revolt.ydoethur said:
We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
They'll certainly grouse.....IanB2 said:
This will end with a pheasants revolt.ydoethur said:
We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
BLimey - I'm all for preventing excessive inherited wealth but double dealth duty in that situation is incredibly harsh.JosiasJessop said:
More on Stamp's sad demise:Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...
"Stamp refused to be moved out of his house, 'Tantallon', in Park Hill Road, Shortlands, because of German bombing during The Blitz. He, aged sixty, and his wife, aged sixty-three, were killed by a bomb's direct hit on the air-raid shelter at their home on 16 April 1941.
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Stamp's son Wilfred was killed at the same time and in the same place, but English law has legal fiction that in the event of the order of deaths being indeterminable, the elder is deemed to have died first. Legally therefore, Wilfred momentarily inherited the peerage: and as a consequence the family had to pay death duty twice. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Stamp,_1st_Baron_Stamp
The estate having to pay death duties twice is just evil.
He was quite a fascinating character, with one or two good quotes attributed to him.0 -
I loved his 'Signalman's Twilight' when I was a kid. Haven't read it in decades though, and it's a little too much into coppertop territory for me. I might get infected with those pestilential GWR ways.ydoethur said:
I'm intrigued to learn Josias is an aficionado of Adrian Vaughan. I wouldn't have expected that.Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...
But it's late, and I cannot see the immediate connection between Vaughan and Stamp?0 -
It'd be interesting to know if that's still the rule.Benpointer said:
BLimey - I'm all for preventing excessive inherited wealth but double dealth duty in that situation is incredibly harsh.JosiasJessop said:
More on Stamp's sad demise:Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...
"Stamp refused to be moved out of his house, 'Tantallon', in Park Hill Road, Shortlands, because of German bombing during The Blitz. He, aged sixty, and his wife, aged sixty-three, were killed by a bomb's direct hit on the air-raid shelter at their home on 16 April 1941.
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Stamp's son Wilfred was killed at the same time and in the same place, but English law has legal fiction that in the event of the order of deaths being indeterminable, the elder is deemed to have died first. Legally therefore, Wilfred momentarily inherited the peerage: and as a consequence the family had to pay death duty twice. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Stamp,_1st_Baron_Stamp
The estate having to pay death duties twice is just evil.
He was quite a fascinating character, with one or two good quotes attributed to him.0 -
Is that what game theory tells you?MarqueeMark said:
They'll certainly grouse.....IanB2 said:
This will end with a pheasants revolt.ydoethur said:
We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
One of those clever new web presentations, by the BBC about the Yellow Vests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/yellow_vests
"Outside the ring roads that encircle Paris, and other major French cities, you will find the suburbs and satellite towns where workers like Nouria Benatia live. And the gap between the world she works in, and the one she can afford to live in, is growing."0 -
I for one quail at the prospect.IanB2 said:
This will end with a pheasants revolt.ydoethur said:
We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
I quail in the face of your puns.....williamglenn said:
Is that what game theory tells you?MarqueeMark said:
They'll certainly grouse.....IanB2 said:
This will end with a pheasants revolt.ydoethur said:
We need to beef up our preparations, but our politicians are all chicken.dixiedean said:
Our goose is pretty much cooked anyways.ydoethur said:
No, because the turkeys we have elected are refusing to vote for it.Benpointer said:Does Parliament finish for Christmas on Thursday?
Good night.0 -
That's good.HYUFD said:
Belated, but good. That means that we have now secured tariff free access to numbers 10 and 29 on the list of UK trading partners.
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That is a bit harsh on the plank of wood.Black_Rook said:
Brown presided over a vast, unsustainable spending boom as Chancellor. Not to mention a regime of financial deregulation that arguably resulted in the British recession being worse than in many other countries. There was also that shambles with the election that never was. And Bigotgate.MarqueeMark said:
Cameron was not worse than Brown.Black_Rook said:
Never underestimate the capacity of the modern British politician to fuck up.kle4 said:Historical indicators or no Corbyn will have to work hard not to be PM.
That said, based on the principle that every Prime Minister for at least the past three or four decades has been worse than the last one, once May's gone we're probably due five years of Corbyn, followed by five years of Boris.
Elections will end after that, because the Government won't be able to afford to print the ballot papers.
Barring one minor omni-shambles. The Referendum.
On the other hand, at least he kept us out of the Euro, and there are positives to be taken from his handling of the financial crisis.
Cameron nearly lost Scotland. Then he undid half-a-century of British foreign policy, contrary to his own wishes, needlessly and by accident. Finally, he ran off and abandoned his party and country to the leadership of a plank of wood.
Theresa May is a plank of wood.
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Remember that you are cheerleading for this repulsive creature.Benpointer said:
A straw for Guido to grasp.HYUFD said:
https://order-order.com/2018/12/14/juncker-morning-may-kissing/0 -
Never heard of Adrian Vaughan but your comments made me look him up and order the Signalman's Trilogy on Amazon. Looks like nice winter evening reading. Thanks!JosiasJessop said:
I loved his 'Signalman's Twilight' when I was a kid. Haven't read it in decades though, and it's a little too much into coppertop territory for me. I might get infected with those pestilential GWR ways.ydoethur said:
I'm intrigued to learn Josias is an aficionado of Adrian Vaughan. I wouldn't have expected that.Luckyguy1983 said:FPPT
Ha, thanks for responding! Took me ages then the thread changed! Stamp it is.JosiasJessop said:
Don't let Brunel anywhere near transport. He was a good civil engineer, but financially many of his projects were basketcases, and the less said about his mechanical abilities, the better. If you want the sort of person who could tun a department as varied and non-functional as transport, you'd want someone like Josiah Stamp. Although hopefully without the same sad demise, and hopefully the state wouldn't act so terribly to his estate.Luckyguy1983 said:PM Thatcher
COE Gladstone
Home Norman Tebbit
Foreign Disraeli
Defence Duke of Wellington
Health Sally Fallon Morrell
Business James Dyson
Work and pensions George Cadbury
Education Rab Butler
DEFRA Graham Harvey
Transport Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Ind dev roll into the FCO
Although the nearest living person in archetype to Brunel is Elon Musk. There are some quite startling similarities ...
But it's late, and I cannot see the immediate connection between Vaughan and Stamp?0 -
Thank god: I thought I was the only person who noticed that that answer made no sense.numbertwelve said:grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
How can you keep grating cheese that is too small to grate? A modern day koan for our times.0 -
Er, no. What on earth makes you draw that conclusion? Bizarre.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Remember that you are cheerleading for this repulsive creature.Benpointer said:
A straw for Guido to grasp.HYUFD said:
https://order-order.com/2018/12/14/juncker-morning-may-kissing/0 -
Or just stay in the CU.rcs1000 said:
That's good.HYUFD said:
Belated, but good. That means that we have now secured tariff free access to numbers 10 and 29 on the list of UK trading partners.
There is still much to do. In particular, we need to replicate the current arrangements with South Korea, and the US.0 -
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If they'd wanted to change direction they shouldn't have voted to keep her.williamglenn said:
The Cabinet will make no further progress until someone works out what happened to the communal brain cell. Who last had it? And where were they when it fell out of their nose?0 -
Thanks. I wonder what proportion of ECB gold is kept in London too. According to Bullionstar.com, the ECB keeps its gold in London, Paris, Lisbon, New York, and Rome, but it won't say in what proportions. Apparently, though, the largest transfer in 1999 was by the German central bank - of bars held in London.grabcocque said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-bank-of-englands-gold-vaults-2016-7?r=UK&IR=TOort said:Slightly tangential: where does the British government keep its gold? Asking for a friend.
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Voting against her gave them a leadership election which would go to the members with boris as one of the 2 candidates. That wasn’t an option the cabinet could takeBlack_Rook said:
If they'd wanted to change direction they shouldn't have voted to keep her.williamglenn said:
The Cabinet will make no further progress until someone works out what happened to the communal brain cell. Who last had it? And where were they when it fell out of their nose?0 -
Reading the actual question people were asked might help?rcs1000 said:
Thank god: I thought I was the only person who noticed that that answer made no sense.numbertwelve said:grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
How can you keep grating cheese that is too small to grate? A modern day koan for our times.0 -
What if you don’t like Toblerone?rcs1000 said:
That's good.HYUFD said:
Belated, but good. That means that we have now secured tariff free access to numbers 10 and 29 on the list of UK trading partners.
There is still much to do. In particular, we need to replicate the current arrangements with South Korea, and the US.
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Somebody posted a link to this earlier, and I just got round to reading it. Heavy going in places but well worth it. It is balanced, in the sense that he makes clear he has little time for calls to reverse Brexit or vote again - but it sets out clearly and in detail why the claims of the no dealers are simplistic and dangerous.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/
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Those who were arguing that since the number of no confidence votes was more than a third of the number of Tory MPs it follows that the ERG will get its poster boy (but non-member) Boris Johnson to what they sweetly imagine will be the second stage of a leadership election should take on board that according to that Times piece the ERGers in the Cabinet seem well split: David Gauke leaning towards a second referendum, Michael Gove wanting Norway, and Andrea Leadsom wanting "to risk" No Deal.eek said:
Voting against her gave them a leadership election which would go to the members with boris as one of the 2 candidates. That wasn’t an option the cabinet could takeBlack_Rook said:
If they'd wanted to change direction they shouldn't have voted to keep her.williamglenn said:
The Cabinet will make no further progress until someone works out what happened to the communal brain cell. Who last had it? And where were they when it fell out of their nose?0 -
"Where is Tommy Robinson taking Ukip?
The Brexit Betrayal March showcased a party that has taken a turn to the hard Right
Tanya Gold"
https://unherd.com/2018/12/where-is-tommy-robinson-taking-ukip0 -
https://twitter.com/mikestuchbery_/status/1072947545561812992?s=21AndyJS said:"Where is Tommy Robinson taking Ukip?
The Brexit Betrayal March showcased a party that has taken a turn to the hard Right
Tanya Gold"
https://unherd.com/2018/12/where-is-tommy-robinson-taking-ukip0 -
We can have a Swiss Cheese Party Hurrahrcs1000 said:
That's good.HYUFD said:
Belated, but good. That means that we have now secured tariff free access to numbers 10 and 29 on the list of UK trading partners.
There is still much to do. In particular, we need to replicate the current arrangements with South Korea, and the US.0 -
The law has a specific exemption for that sort of case, more commonly where a couple die from a car accident in quick succession. I'm surprised it didn't then.Benpointer said:
BLimey - I'm all for preventing excessive inherited wealth but double dealth duty in that situation is incredibly harsh.0 -
Top tip - a bag of ready grated cheese can be shoved in the freezer. This makes throwing together cheese sauces or similar dead easy, even if you only use grated cheese once in a fairly blue moon. (I only really use cheese for cooking, and before I figured this trick used to end up forever making cheese on toast to get rid of odd bits of left over cheese lurking in the fridge.Black_Rook said:
What disturbs me the most is the supposed value of 0% given for those who never grate cheese.dixiedean said:
What disturbs me are the 3% "other". Who are these people, and what do they do the kinky beasts?grabcocque said:YouGov poll klaxon!
I can't be the only person in the country who saves themselves the pointless faff and buys grated cheese on the rare occasions that they actually need it? It is to be found in some quantity in bags on the shelves of the local Tesco. They wouldn't keep selling it if they only had one customer for the stuff.
I take this as further confirmation that the polling companies are hopelessly inaccurate, and only score their occasional successes by chance. Otherwise, how could YouGov's sample be so hopelessly skewed that it didn't include any non-graters?0 -
By sounds of it old Tommy has done rather well for himself. Not bad for failed property developer and sunbed shop owner, and now unemployed facebook streamer.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/mikestuchbery_/status/1072947545561812992?s=21AndyJS said:"Where is Tommy Robinson taking Ukip?
The Brexit Betrayal March showcased a party that has taken a turn to the hard Right
Tanya Gold"
https://unherd.com/2018/12/where-is-tommy-robinson-taking-ukip0 -
This is what a descent into tribalism looks like. Very worrying.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/mikestuchbery_/status/1072947545561812992?s=21AndyJS said:"Where is Tommy Robinson taking Ukip?
The Brexit Betrayal March showcased a party that has taken a turn to the hard Right
Tanya Gold"
https://unherd.com/2018/12/where-is-tommy-robinson-taking-ukip0 -
Very mich not true in Broxtowe - always a sea of posters for Labour in Beeston (some have refused to take them down, over a year later) and huge Tory posters in the Tory hinterland. You always get the impression that it's an ultra-marginal even when (1992, 1997, 2001) it actually wasn't. But during the referendum there were almost no posters at all - probably because the parties didn't have a common view.Foxy said:
One of the striking thing about recent campaigns and elections has been the paucity of street level activity, apart from the surfeit of Corbynites. I saw only one poster during the Brexit campaign (Leave on IoW). I did one stall in Melton, and there was a Britain First one in Leicester. Both the rallies that I went to (1 Leave in Leicester, 1 Remain in Rutland) had only a couple of dozen in attendance. I did some vote cultivating at work, but there was nothing visible in my suburb. It was an online campaign on both sides.
I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
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I suppose as she is a former CEO of Barclays Bank, her opinion is worth taking seriously.Oort said:
Those who were arguing that since the number of no confidence votes was more than a third of the number of Tory MPs it follows that the ERG will get its poster boy (but non-member) Boris Johnson to what they sweetly imagine will be the second stage of a leadership election should take on board that according to that Times piece the ERGers in the Cabinet seem well split: David Gauke leaning towards a second referendum, Michael Gove wanting Norway, and Andrea Leadsom wanting "to risk" No Deal.eek said:
Voting against her gave them a leadership election which would go to the members with boris as one of the 2 candidates. That wasn’t an option the cabinet could takeBlack_Rook said:
If they'd wanted to change direction they shouldn't have voted to keep her.williamglenn said:
The Cabinet will make no further progress until someone works out what happened to the communal brain cell. Who last had it? And where were they when it fell out of their nose?0 -
I think it will be lost for good by now. Presumably it has been missing throughout their support of the interminable process of negotiating this deal that they've now decided to disown, despite not having a clue what else to do.Black_Rook said:
If they'd wanted to change direction they shouldn't have voted to keep her.williamglenn said:
The Cabinet will make no further progress until someone works out what happened to the communal brain cell. Who last had it? And where were they when it fell out of their nose?0 -
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So we’re supposed to get out the bunting to celebrate the UK hanging onto a deal with Switzerland it already had through being an EU member !
Of course those uninformed will be duped into thinking this is Global Britain winning bigly !
Never has so much time and money been wasted on something so utterly pointless and damaging as Brexit .
I mean if one just engages their brain and really thinks about Brexit it amounts to a country tearing up its trade links with its biggest market , in an attempt to regain sovereignty it hadn’t lost , to make itself poorer to make rules it made anyway and make its people second class citizens on their own continent , shorn of their right to freedom of movement to stop Europeans with similar values from doing jobs the Brits don’t want to do anyway .
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Street posters are banned in Birmingham too. Visitors certainly got the impression that no election was taking place (also, few people put posters in their window like they used to) but there was a great deal of canvassing going on. There were a few dozen Labour volunteers out in the marginals like Erdington and Northfield every day, and Labour delivered a leaflet every week during the campaign.Scott_P said:
They have been banned in Edinburgh. Perhaps other authorities have done likewise?Foxy said:I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.
Labour's campaigning (both national and local) obviously worked, but voters keep their cards incredibly close to their chest these days - virtually no-one on the ground could tell that Labour was going to do so well (relatively speaking).0 -
Con associations were not allowed to use their resources to campaign in any way for the referendum.NickPalmer said:
Very mich not true in Broxtowe - always a sea of posters for Labour in Beeston (some have refused to take them down, over a year later) and huge Tory posters in the Tory hinterland. You always get the impression that it's an ultra-marginal even when (1992, 1997, 2001) it actually wasn't. But during the referendum there were almost no posters at all - probably because the parties didn't have a common view.Foxy said:
One of the striking thing about recent campaigns and elections has been the paucity of street level activity, apart from the surfeit of Corbynites. I saw only one poster during the Brexit campaign (Leave on IoW). I did one stall in Melton, and there was a Britain First one in Leicester. Both the rallies that I went to (1 Leave in Leicester, 1 Remain in Rutland) had only a couple of dozen in attendance. I did some vote cultivating at work, but there was nothing visible in my suburb. It was an online campaign on both sides.
I think this is how it is now. I barely saw a poster in either 2015 or 2017 GE either, despite quite extensive travels by road in a variety of constituencies, some marginal. I think political campaigning has changed, and public expression of affiliation rather frowned upon by both sides.0 -
AndyJS said:
This is what a descent into tribalism looks like. Very worrying.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/mikestuchbery_/status/1072947545561812992?s=21AndyJS said:"Where is Tommy Robinson taking Ukip?
The Brexit Betrayal March showcased a party that has taken a turn to the hard Right
Tanya Gold"
https://unherd.com/2018/12/where-is-tommy-robinson-taking-ukip
This is what happens when you think you can put someone’s family at risk, consequence free, because you disagree with their politics.0
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