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I just wanted to put it on record that the words used by that odious creep Piers Morgan to describe Alastair Cook must have been formulated after he took a look at himself in the mirror. Those words resonate when you look at Morgan.
One of the few things Jeremy Clarkson has done in his life that was on the money was to clock him.

AlbionTilIDie said:

FPT - I don't get the (previous) thread header. According to the PB Stalins, the Tories are losing the votes of swivel eyed loons, teachers, in the marginals, women, nurses, utility customers, the MoD, parents, backbenchers, euro-sceptics and victims of inflation / stagnating wages. But they are still polling just under the 2010 GE result of 36%.

Yes, a 2010 result which wasn't good enough to get them a majority. Their challenge was to build up greater support among those groups which stayed away from them last time. They have palpably failed to do that, and in fact have ended up hardening hostility towards the Tories among most of those groups even more.

Salmond should debate this man;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i5WqoL31_TQ

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Lowest LD since?

foxinsoxuk said:

Number 6 is a beauty. Clearly going for the BNP voters (but as they did quite well in the last Euros maybe not such a bad idea)

Fruitcake anyone?

If you read beyond the headline, you'll see it's an oblique reference to a 2006 "report commissioned by Batten" (1m25s into the video).

anotherDave said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Number 6 is a beauty. Clearly going for the BNP voters (but as they did quite well in the last Euros maybe not such a bad idea)

Fruitcake anyone?

If you read beyond the headline, you'll see it's an oblique reference to a 2006 "report commissioned by Batten" (1m25s into the video).

Yeah but

Gerard Batten, who represents London and is member of the party's executive, told the Guardian on Tuesday that he stood by a "charter of Muslim understanding", which he commissioned in 2006.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Lowest LD since?

Since last Friday.

Oh!

When was it lower?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Hands up all those that are carrying goalposts

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/19/article-0-13ADF47E000005DC-866_634x803.jpg

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Lowest LD since?

Since last Friday.

Oh!

When was it lower?

Nov/October 2012, when they hit 6 and 7

Danny565 said:

AlbionTilIDie said:

FPT - I don't get the (previous) thread header. According to the PB Stalins, the Tories are losing the ves of swivel eyed loons, teachers, in the marginals, women, nurses, utility customers, the MoD, parents, backbenchers, euro-sceptics and victims of inflation / stagnating wages. But they are still polling just under the 2010 GE result of 36%.

Yes, a 2010 result which wasn't good enough to get them a majority. Their challenge was to build up greater support among those groups which stayed away from them last time. They have palpably failed to do that, and in fact have ended up hardening hostility towards the Tories among most of those groups even more.

I love this sort of comment. They inherited a horrible economic situation and extremely inefficient and unaccountable public services. What do you suggest they could have done to garner more support remembering that people do not like change or difficult decisions affecting them.

In three and a half years they have developed an economy which is one of the best performing in the world, we have record employment and low unemployment compared with our neighbours. They have taken action to reduce the bloated public sector workforce and their reforms of the public sector are necessary. Obviously not everything has gone well but that's what happens in government. Lots of the voting public don't like what this government is doing but the government are implementing policies which they think will benefit Britain (and clearly some are) and if they lose votes for this then that is a price worth paying. I think this coalition government are governing for what they consider to be the benefit of the country, labour try to govern for the benefit of themselves

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Hands up all those that are carrying goalposts

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/19/article-0-13ADF47E000005DC-866_634x803.jpg

Say what you like about the Mail but they are the place to go for squirrel shots.

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currystar said:

Danny565 said:

AlbionTilIDie said:

FPT - I don't get the (previous) thread header. According to the PB Stalins, the Tories are losing the ves of swivel eyed loons, teachers, in the marginals, women, nurses, utility customers, the MoD, parents, backbenchers, euro-sceptics and victims of inflation / stagnating wages. But they are still polling just under the 2010 GE result of 36%.

Yes, a 2010 result which wasn't good enough to get them a majority. Their challenge was to build up greater support among those groups which stayed away from them last time. They have palpably failed to do that, and in fact have ended up hardening hostility towards the Tories among most of those groups even more.

I love this sort of comment. They inherited a horrible economic situation and extremely inefficient and unaccountable public services. What do you suggest they could have done to garner more support remembering that people do not like change or difficult decisions affecting them.

In three and a half years they have developed an economy which is one of the best performing in the world, we have record employment and low unemployment compared with our neighbours. They have taken action to reduce the bloated public sector workforce and their reforms of the public sector are necessary. Obviously not everything has gone well but that's what happens in government. Lots of the voting public don't like what this government is doing but the government are implementing policies which they think will benefit Britain (and clearly some are) and if they lose votes for this then that is a price worth paying. I think this coalition government are governing for what they consider to be the benefit of the country, labour try to govern for the benefit of themselves

Most of the narrative of the attacks from the right/UKIP towards the Conservatives have been regarding social policy (Gay marriage, immigration) rather than economic attacks from the left (Too far, too fast..).

TheLastBoyScout said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Hands up all those that are carrying goalposts

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/19/article-0-13ADF47E000005DC-866_634x803.jpg

Say what you like about the Mail but they are the place to go for squirrel shots.

It's the only thing The Heil is good at.

Basil has just seen the poll and in utter desperation of realising he will need to help me carry the goalposts again has declared what he thinks of the coaliton parties

http://www.moosedenied.com/images/2008-07/squirrel.jpg

HYUFD said:

Given OGH's interest in the teacher vote (which consistently leans left) could we have a poll on stockbrokers or army officers to redress the balance?

Wonder who the bankers vote for?

HYUFD said:

Given OGH's interest in the teacher vote (which consistently leans left) could we have a poll on stockbrokers or army officers to redress the balance?

Except it... doesn't.

In MARCH 2010 YouGov found teachers splitting CON 33: LAB 32: LD 27: UKIP 3.

I reckon an armed forces poll would show a swing to UKIP. Stockbrokers would probably lean Conservative still given the perception that an exit from Europe could mean uncertainty in the markets.

Just hunches.

compouter2 said:

HYUFD said:

Given OGH's interest in the teacher vote (which consistently leans left) could we have a poll on stockbrokers or army officers to redress the balance?

Wonder who the bankers vote for?

Probably Labour during the noughties I reckon.

According to a pollin Pulse the majority of British doctors voted conservative in 2010. I do not know how they would vote now. Police used to be firmly Tory, but I think those days are gone, Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes are fiction that copies reality.

HYUFD said:

Given OGH's interest in the teacher vote (which consistently leans left) could we have a poll on stockbrokers or army officers to redress the balance?

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead now six points: CON 33%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

Hands up all those that are carrying goalposts

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/19/article-0-13ADF47E000005DC-866_634x803.jpg

'pouter

Foxes not squirrels are called Basil.

Your squirrel should be called Nigel as it looks as if it is being Soubried.

Heffalump and Mitchell worrying about the kippers as Paxo looks on.

Quite something when Mitchell is the one sounding complacent.

The 1,803rd Anniversary of the death of Emperor Septimius Severus?
Well excuse me, but I don't remember you doing a thread on the 1,000th anniversary of the death of Swein Forkbeard two days ago! Talk about discrimination! I blame Aethelred the Unready and his half-baked tin-pot genocide. It's political correctness gone mad!

HYUFD said:

Further to Galloway's statements above, I see he has also said he wants to be PM of Scotland if it votes for independence

He thinks he is Idi Amin , will be wanting to be king next

FoxinSox Doctors and Police are close to the national trend, public sector workers so not natural Tories and not with the traditional loyalty to 'Queen and Country' and the Tory Party of the armed forces, but also more conservative than teachers with police keeping law and order and some doctors practising privately

Renewables are currently producing just over 20% of the UK's energy:

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

AndyJS said:

Renewables are currently producing just over 20% of the UK's energy:

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

We've had a particularly low pressure winter. I'd be interested to see the figure during a winter high.

AnneJGP said:

Residents being advised to vacate. Wish me luck. Night all.

Best of luck with the elements, Anne

Do you have some polling data? It would not surprise me if you were right, but figures would be interesting.

We know that there are fewer public sector workers and more private sector workers, but the polls have moved against the Tories. Either one or both public or private sector workers must have shifted left since 2010.

HYUFD said:

FoxinSox Doctors and Police are close to the national trend, public sector workers so not natural Tories and not with the traditional loyalty to 'Queen and Country' and the Tory Party of the armed forces, but also more conservative than teachers with police keeping law and order and some doctors practising privately

MalcolmG He is up against David Starkey on Thursday's Question Time, should be required viewing

Yet more kipper 'eccentricity'.

Siraj Datoo ‏@sirajdatoo 10m

I can't even. What!? http://j.mp/1fNgUcE

Mohammed Amin ‏@Mohammed_Amin 48m

UKIP car crash continues: UKIP MEP says British Muslims (only) should sign 32 page charter rejecting violence. http://gu.com/p/3mezg/tw

Willard Foxton ‏@WillardFoxton 9m

KIPPER MADNESS: UKIP goon dresses like Ronald MacDonald while calling for Muslims to sign non-violence pledge: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence …

Time for the tories to pile in.

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 3h

Hey Patrick @oflynnexpress what about that "Muslim Charter" eh? BNP by any other name #UKIPfail http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence?CMP=twt_gu …

Careful Louise, going by almost every other loony kipper story the usual next stage is we find out he used to be a tory.

PB Diplomacy is Back!

For a few years there was a a sub-community on PB playing the game of Diplomacy, then for various reasons it died away. Recently Luicien_Fletcher, gent of this Parish, put up a post for a new game and it "sold-out" inside half-an-hour. If you weren't on line when it came up then you missed it, and I know there were several posters who would have liked to have joined if they had got the chance.

That game has been running very successfully for a couple of weeks and has had its fair share of plots, schemes, back-stabbings and mild skull-duggery. It is also reaching the point were the first eliminations could be expected to take place in the near future.

So, it occurs that it might be time to kick off a new game or, maybe, two. You see experience has shown that everyone's enjoyment is improved if the players are, generally-speaking, and taking on thing with another, on much the same level. I therefore propose to set up two games:

PB Diplomacy Novice Hurdles

A standard game* for new and inexperienced players, open to only those who have not previously been either an outright winner or a member of a wining alliance.


PB Diplomacy 2014 Death Match

A standard game with one exception, there can only be one winner, alliances are not allowed. One player has to make 18 centres to win. Anyone can join but be aware this is going to be a devious, vicious, no holds barred, bring a gun to a knife fight sort of game. Not really for novices, the feint-hearted or anyone who likes their gaming fair and honest. To give a clue, I am trying to tempt Andy Cooke back to play (and hopefully to comment on the site again).

Those who are interested in either game should email me at HurstLlama at gmail dot com for details.

*For those who don't know Diplomacy is a game without dice, without any element of external luck which is built around one central paradox: there are 7 players each of whom want to win but it is impossible for any one player to win on their own, they must enlist allies amongst the other 6 to help them. The game is therefore one of negotiation, deceit, blackmail, treachery and all round good-fellowship. The rules can be learned in half an hour but the play depends on human interaction and so is eternal and unlimited.



P.S. With the permission of the management, I'll repost this a different times over the next few days so as to try and reach as many PB Denizens as possible.

taffys said:

The CIF thread below that Guardian Batten story is on fire. And I mean on fire. Well worth a read.

Found one I liked straight away:

"By the simple method of not feigning outrage at every little phrase they don't like, Ukip have already gone up in my estimation compared to the tradtional mainstream parties. And no, I'm not a Ukip supporter. Tiresome comments threads like this could very well make me one though."

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/31572341

Pulpstar said:

@Hurstllama Dave has set up an 'art of war' game - Any idea who the intended audience of that one is ?

It is an open game , anyone who wants to play. It is however a variant, not standard Diplomacy. I intend to give it a go - if I can find it, which earlier I couldn't.

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace? And I am sure the vast majority of Churches and Synagogues would be happy to disapprove of violence in the name of religion. Banning further mosque building is a bit more provocative.

isam said:

Gerald Batten isn't calling for every Muslim to sign this thing though is he? Just community leader types who say they speak on behalf of Islam.

Or have I got that wrong?

Farage needs to sack this joker with his 'Muslim charter' and pronto. Ordering citizens to sign codes of conduct is unbefitting of a free society. Sorry, but this is something that Joseph Goebbels might have come up with. This casts a dark shadow over UKIP making them appear alien, un-British and strange.

foxinsoxuk said:

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace? And I am sure the vast majority of Churches and Synagogues would be happy to disapprove of violence in the name of religion. Banning further mosque building is a bit more provocative.

isam said:

Gerald Batten isn't calling for every Muslim to sign this thing though is he? Just community leader types who say they speak on behalf of Islam.

Or have I got that wrong?

In 2007 the British government was trying to increase the number of UK trained imams because "Overseas clerics have been accused of fuelling radicalism"

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/blair-unveils-plan-to-train-more-imams-in-britain-6588007.html

There must be hundreds of policy pamphlets from all political parties, touting various ideas for dealing with Islamism.

Mick_Pork said:

foxinsoxuk said:

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace?

Indeed. Who could possibly oppose a sensible kipper drawing up a code of conduct for Muslims to have to sign up to and and parts of the Qu'ran be rendered "invalid". I'm only surprised it wasn't Godfrey Bloom who did it.

Who is being asked to sign it? All Muslims?

Mick_Pork said:

foxinsoxuk said:

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace?

Indeed. Who could possibly oppose a sensible kipper drawing up a code of conduct for Muslims to have to sign up to and and parts of the Qu'ran be rendered "invalid". I'm only surprised it wasn't Godfrey Bloom who did it.

That's not what Mr Batten wrote.

There is nothing controversial about asking political organisations to endorse non-violence, and respect for secular laws.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/04/charter-muslim-ukip-gerard-batten

Sensitive SNP MP successfully baited by Scottish school kids;
http://www.scotsman.com/news/education/school-pupils-brand-snp-mp-gimp-on-twitter-1-3292348?WT.mc_id=Outbrain_text&obref=obinsite

anotherDave said:

Mick_Pork said:

foxinsoxuk said:

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace?

Indeed. Who could possibly oppose a sensible kipper drawing up a code of conduct for Muslims to have to sign up to and and parts of the Qu'ran be rendered "invalid". I'm only surprised it wasn't Godfrey Bloom who did it.

That's not what Mr Batten wrote.

There is nothing controversial about asking political organisations to endorse non-violence, and respect for secular laws.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/04/charter-muslim-ukip-gerard-batten

It certainly doesn't sound controversial.

In a press release from the time, published on Ukip's website, Batten calls on Muslims to sign a five-point affirmation, in which they would promise to accept equality, reject violence in the name of religion, and accept a need to "re-examine and address the meaning and application of certain Islamic texts and doctrines".


Rehman Chishti, the Conservative MP for Gillingham and Rainham, said Batten's position was "shocking", particularly the "charter of understanding" suggestion that parts of the Qur'an should be rendered "inapplicable". "If Nigel Farage had any credibility, he would quite clearly not allow this individual to stand for office in Ukip," he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence

Mick_Pork said:

isam said:

Mick_Pork said:

foxinsoxuk said:

The charter is not so daft, who can oppose a call for peace?

Indeed. Who could possibly oppose a sensible kipper drawing up a code of conduct for Muslims to have to sign up to and and parts of the Qu'ran be rendered "invalid". I'm only surprised it wasn't Godfrey Bloom who did it.

Who is being asked to sign it? All Muslims?

You mean it would be up to a kipper 'inquisitor in chief' to decide which Muslims should be singled out to sign up for it? Yes, that does sound so much better. Perhaps they could have run a campaign with the Mail and Express to root out and find which Muslims were prime targets for a jolly good 'pledging'.

No I don't mean that

I think the idea is for spokesman for associations like the Muslim council for instance to sign it to show that they disown the views of Muslim terrorists

And I think batten also says they would be free not to sign it

So what's wrong with that?

Mick_Pork said:

It certainly doesn't sound controversial.

In a press release from the time, published on Ukip's website, Batten calls on Muslims to sign a five-point affirmation, in which they would promise to accept equality, reject violence in the name of religion, and accept a need to "re-examine and address the meaning and application of certain Islamic texts and doctrines".


Rehman Chishti, the Conservative MP for Gillingham and Rainham, said Batten's position was "shocking", particularly the "charter of understanding" suggestion that parts of the Qur'an should be rendered "inapplicable". "If Nigel Farage had any credibility, he would quite clearly not allow this individual to stand for office in Ukip," he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence

The full text of Mr Batten's forward is:

"The Western European view of religion, achieved after centuries of bloodshed, conflict and division, is that religion is a matter of private belief and conscience. Islamic fundamentalists do not share this view. They do not believe in the nation state, democracy, the equality of women, or tolerance. They believe in Islamic theocracy, a universal Muslim society, the Umma, based on political rule according to the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Such views are simply incompatible with Western liberal democracy, and we have seen where such extremist beliefs can lead, for example in Afghanistan and Iran. The West has been amazingly lax in recognising the threat posed to its security, freedoms, values and the cohesiveness of society by Islamic fundamentalism. The terrorist atrocities in London of July 2005 showed just how dangerous these beliefs can be. The threat posed by Islamic terrorism is one common to most, if not all, European countries.

Islamic fundamentalists have however made great gains in the propaganda war by convincing many non-Muslims that they are the true representatives of Islam, whereas they are not. The vast majority of Muslims that non-Muslims meet in every-day life are decent, respectable, law-abiding and hardworking. Western governments and societies have to offer them their support while standing firm against the extremists.

A great step forward in this process is Sam Solomon’s Proposed Charter of Muslim Understanding. The Charter allows Muslims from all strands of belief to make it plain that they reject those extremist interpretations of their religious texts that promote or excuse violence and bring Islam into conflict with the modern world. It affirms that they want to enjoy the freedoms of the West and live as law-abiding and peace-loving people. I very much hope that those groups claiming to represent Muslims will decide to sign and
embrace it.
Gerard Batten MEP
December 2006"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/04/charter-muslim-ukip-gerard-batten

anotherDave said:

Mick_Pork said:

It certainly doesn't sound controversial.

In a press release from the time, published on Ukip's website, Batten calls on Muslims to sign a five-point affirmation, in which they would promise to accept equality, reject violence in the name of religion, and accept a need to "re-examine and address the meaning and application of certain Islamic texts and doctrines".


Rehman Chishti, the Conservative MP for Gillingham and Rainham, said Batten's position was "shocking", particularly the "charter of understanding" suggestion that parts of the Qur'an should be rendered "inapplicable". "If Nigel Farage had any credibility, he would quite clearly not allow this individual to stand for office in Ukip," he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence

The full text of Mr Batten's forward is


A forward for a 27 (or so) page document. Nor is it the press release UKIP used to accompany it which we must presume they wrote to give a 'flavour' of what he was proposing.

Good to see some are taking Batten as seriously as he deserves.

Tom Darnell ‏@tomdarns 27m

I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”

foxinsoxuk said:

"Who is in favour of jihad? Apart from the jihadists of course? I was, and still am, happy to speak out against it. It is amusing that the Guardian equates being opposed to extremism and jihadism as 'overlapping with the far-right'. So are left-wing liberals in favour of jihad? If not, do they overlap too?""

I am quite happy to agree with that statement

Opposing Jihad? Yes it was rather telling that he retreated to that in defence of his entire 'scheme'. If you're not with us you're against us. It sounds oddly familiar I have to say.

Mick_Pork said:

Good to see some are taking Batten as seriously as he deserves.

Tom Darnell ‏@tomdarns 27m

I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”

Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.

Swansea 9/1 to be relegated seems big

isam said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good to see some are taking Batten as seriously as he deserves.

Tom Darnell ‏@tomdarns 27m

I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”

Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.





It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards.
Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.

Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise we saw last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian 'exodus' was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.

Mick_Pork said:

isam said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good to see some are taking Batten as seriously as he deserves.

Tom Darnell ‏@tomdarns 27m

I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”

Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.

It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards.
Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.

Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.

I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters

Mick_Pork said:

isam said:

Mick_Pork said:

isam said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good to see some are taking Batten as seriously as he deserves.

Tom Darnell ‏@tomdarns 27m

I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”

Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.

It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards.
Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.

Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.

I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters

There's no significant difference in their handling from last Feb when we started to see a sharp kipper rise. Little point pretending that rise is not a necessary component of a good kipper showing for the EU elections. Kipper VI will also be most crucial for the GE since it's going to be dominated by the economy and the leaders debates in the campaign.

The range of scores is wider than the Tories and labour when they average less than a third of their vote intention. That shows the pollsters are pretty clueless. Whether they over or underestimate is not the point