If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Batten's statement, it might simultaneously make many non-UKIP voters feel he's OTT while UKIP voters say hey, no problem. UKIP loses by lack of publicity, so they need a steady trickle of statements that are just controversial enough to make the news but not so weird as to restore the fruitcake image. IMO Batten's piece goes too near fruitcakism for UKIP's good health - he could have got away with just calling for opposition to jihads, but the stuff about a ban on mosques and inoperative Koran texts will be seen as a bit far out. But we'll see. It'd be interesting to hear what Richard Tyndall, who seems to me convincingly non-fruitcake, thinks of it.
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”
Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.
It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards. Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.
Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.
I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters
There's no significant difference in their handling from last Feb when we started to see a sharp kipper rise. Little point pretending that rise is not a necessary component of a good kipper showing for the EU elections. Kipper VI will also be most crucial for the GE since it's going to be dominated by the economy and the leaders debates in the campaign.
An extrapolation from the results of council by-elections puts UKIP on 17%.
An extrapolation which, as it happens, is fairly close to the all polls average for the kipper VI at that time.
So I'd say if we split the difference then 16% would seem to be a reasonable assumption. You can also see just how high some of the polling put the kippers on for May so obviously it's not just underestimates when we are dealing with kipper polling.
The all polls average is invaluable because you can see the over and under while the average trend line eliminates irregularities and outliers such as the bizarre YouGov blip last week.
I still see nothing to sway me from my thinking that the kippers will be in the 8-10% range for the GE.
One or two MPs? Maybe. Depends on the mood music coming from kipper high command as by then they had better be absolutely certain they have finally rid themselves of all the BNP infiltrators and other extremists who have tried to jump on the kipper bandwagon.
We can at least be certain the Cameroons who think they will get the kippers down to below 5% and back to their 2010 levels just by wishing it are living in a world of make believe.
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
Nobody's campaigning for me to sign a pledge about it though
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
Nobody's campaigning for me to sign a pledge about it though
But it's perfectly acceptable to denounce bits of the bible?
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Batten's statement, it might simultaneously make many non-UKIP voters feel he's OTT while UKIP voters say hey, no problem. UKIP loses by lack of publicity, so they need a steady trickle of statements that are just controversial enough to make the news but not so weird as to restore the fruitcake image. IMO Batten's piece goes too near fruitcakism for UKIP's good health - he could have got away with just calling for opposition to jihads, but the stuff about a ban on mosques and inoperative Koran texts will be seen as a bit far out. But we'll see. It'd be interesting to hear what Richard Tyndall, who seems to me convincingly non-fruitcake, thinks of it.
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
Happy Birthday, Nick!
I think it doesn't do any harm to UKIP at all, at least in the short term. Wonder what Farage really thinks. Seems he might lose the more libertarian party members eventually?
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
Nobody's campaigning for me to sign a pledge about it though
But it's perfectly acceptable to denounce bits of the bible?
Denounce away. I won't mind. No doubt there are some Christians (even members of UKIP) who would object though.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Batten's statement, it might simultaneously make many non-UKIP voters feel he's OTT while UKIP voters say hey, no problem. UKIP loses by lack of publicity, so they need a steady trickle of statements that are just controversial enough to make the news but not so weird as to restore the fruitcake image. IMO Batten's piece goes too near fruitcakism for UKIP's good health - he could have got away with just calling for opposition to jihads, but the stuff about a ban on mosques and inoperative Koran texts will be seen as a bit far out. But we'll see. It'd be interesting to hear what Richard Tyndall, who seems to me convincingly non-fruitcake, thinks of it.
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
Happy Birthday, Nick!
I think it doesn't do any harm to UKIP at all, at least in the short term.
Correct. The EU elections will be all about immigration and the EU. Longer term it's extremely problematic for them.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Batten's statement, it might simultaneously make many non-UKIP voters feel he's OTT while UKIP voters say hey, no problem. UKIP loses by lack of publicity, so they need a steady trickle of statements that are just controversial enough to make the news but not so weird as to restore the fruitcake image. IMO Batten's piece goes too near fruitcakism for UKIP's good health - he could have got away with just calling for opposition to jihads, but the stuff about a ban on mosques and inoperative Koran texts will be seen as a bit far out. But we'll see. It'd be interesting to hear what Richard Tyndall, who seems to me convincingly non-fruitcake, thinks of it.
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
That Guardian article is a hack job. They've mashed together snippets from different interviews and articles years apart.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Batten's statement, it might simultaneously make many non-UKIP voters feel he's OTT while UKIP voters say hey, no problem. UKIP loses by lack of publicity, so they need a steady trickle of statements that are just controversial enough to make the news but not so weird as to restore the fruitcake image. IMO Batten's piece goes too near fruitcakism for UKIP's good health - he could have got away with just calling for opposition to jihads, but the stuff about a ban on mosques and inoperative Koran texts will be seen as a bit far out. But we'll see. It'd be interesting to hear what Richard Tyndall, who seems to me convincingly non-fruitcake, thinks of it.
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
That Guardian article is a hack job. They've mashed together snippets from different interviews and articles years apart.
You could easily imagine an article denouncing the Russian Orthodox Church over homosexuality in the same paper - quite possibly right next to the one about Batten.
I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”
Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.
It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards. Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.
Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.
I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters
There's no significant difference in their handling from last Feb when we started to see a sharp kipper rise. Little point pretending that rise is not a necessary component of a good kipper showing for the EU elections. Kipper VI will also be most crucial for the GE since it's going to be dominated by the economy and the leaders debates in the campaign.
An extrapolation from the results of council by-elections puts UKIP on 17%.
One or two MPs? I think this years May local election results will give us a pretty clear picture of UKIP's 2015 prospects. I expect them to be pretty up front about which seats they intend to target too.
I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”
Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.
It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards. Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.
Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.
I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters
There's no significant difference in their handling from last Feb when we started to see a sharp kipper rise. Little point pretending that rise is not a necessary component of a good kipper showing for the EU elections. Kipper VI will also be most crucial for the GE since it's going to be dominated by the economy and the leaders debates in the campaign.
An extrapolation from the results of council by-elections puts UKIP on 17%.
One or two MPs?
I think this years May local election results will give us a pretty clear picture of UKIP's 2015 prospects. I expect them to be pretty up front about which seats they intend to target too.
I did say maybe and I also pointed out they had better be certain they have rid themselves of the BNP and other extremists who have jumped on the kipper bandwagon. Something which Farage himself said he would be cracking down on since more local representation makes it far more than a theoretical danger.
Naming those seats straight after May? Perhaps. Though I would have thought Farage would ride out the good May publicity for as long as he can then at the last possible and practical moment name the big target seats in a flourish of yet more publicity.
He's also not naming them yet to terrify as many tories in marginal seats as possible remember. A tactic that certainly seems to be working a treat when you see the headless chickens running frantically about the commons making poor Cammie's life a misery.
I denounce his jacket. “Ukip MEP G.Batten wants Brit Muslims to denounce parts of Qur'an - http://huff.to/1fN7Swp pic.twitter.com/vkgMLqFn1M”
Wonder how this will affect ukip vi polling.
It won't it will still continue to rise for May then drop again afterwards. Come the GE this stuff will actually hurt but for now it's all about the EU elections and immigration.
Still slightly puzzling Kipper VI hasn't yet saw the start of the kind of rise for last Feb, considering the Bulgarian and Romanian exodus was supposed to be so good for Farage, but we'll wait to see from other pollsters as YouGov has a habit of darting about unpredictably.
I don't think any of the pollsters have got a handle on how to weight/prompt for ukip. Every actual election seems to be a good result for them & that's what really matters
There's no significant difference in their handling from last Feb when we started to see a sharp kipper rise. Little point pretending that rise is not a necessary component of a good kipper showing for the EU elections. Kipper VI will also be most crucial for the GE since it's going to be dominated by the economy and the leaders debates in the campaign.
An extrapolation from the results of council by-elections puts UKIP on 17%.
One or two MPs?
I think this years May local election results will give us a pretty clear picture of UKIP's 2015 prospects. I expect them to be pretty up front about which seats they intend to target too.
Naming those seats straight after May? Perhaps. Though I would have thought Farage would ride out the good May publicity for as long as he can then at the last possible and practical moment name the big target seats.
He's also not naming them yet to terrify as many tories in marginal seats as possible remember. A tactic that certainly seems to be working a treat when you see the headless chickens running frantically about the commons making poor Cammie's life a misery.It'll be obvious. Last year The Sun paid Survation to crunch the numbers.
Yes, it is perfectly reasonable for a Christian to denounce bits of the Bible. More importantly: has any Christan or Jew tried to stone a rebellious son recently? Stonings are part of the law in a number of Islamic countries, as are death sentences for apostasy and homosexuality or female adultery.
People who drag up obscure parts of the Bible that are considered superseded by all Christian Churches in defence of the current violence so prevalent in Islamic societies need to get real.
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
Yes, it is perfectly reasonable for a Christian to denounce bits of the Bible. More importantly: has any Christan or Jew tried to stone a rebellious son recently? Stonings are part of the law in a number of Islamic countries, as are death sentences for apostasy and homosexuality or female adultery.
People who drag up obscure parts of the Bible that are considered superseded by all Christian Churches in defence of the current violence so prevalent in Islamic societies need to get real.
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
It's tough love. Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind.
Yes, it is perfectly reasonable for a Christian to denounce bits of the Bible. More importantly: has any Christan or Jew tried to stone a rebellious son recently? Stonings are part of the law in a number of Islamic countries, as are death sentences for apostasy and homosexuality or female adultery.
People who drag up obscure parts of the Bible that are considered superseded by all Christian Churches in defence of the current violence so prevalent in Islamic societies need to get real.
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
It's tough love. Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind.
With all these Ukip fruitloops popping out of the woodwork I wonder whether Farage should appoint you Witch Finder General for the party ?
Yesterday was manufacturing PMI day; today is services PMI day.
Leading us off is Ireland, where the number was a (marginally lower, but still extremely high) 61.5. Sweden was also very positive (although also slightly below December) 55.9.
Later today, we have Italy, France, Germany, Spain and the UK. Expectations are for France and Italy to continue to show very weak numbers (48.6 and 48.9, respectively), while Germany is expected to be showing continued modest GDP growth (53.6), Spain is forecast to show further evidence of an accelerating recovery (55.0), and the UK is expected to be the best of the major economies (59.0).
Robert - I'm all for extended "Nighthawks" but really 8.00am ?? .... is your father still in bed or has he lost his follicular restorative cream again ??
The key point is that reliability trumps pace. I have vague memories of Raikkonen's McLaren days, where his car was fast but broke so often he never got a title with them. Or of 2012, when McLaren (again) had the fastest car overall through the season, but numerous reliability failings meant it went down to Vettel or Alonso.
There does seem to be an astonishing ignorance of Christianity from some members of PB. I'd assumed they were mostly tongue in cheek, but now, I'm not so sure. For example, the relationship between the Old and New Testaments seems to be a mystery for many people. But ignorance doesn't inhibit pontification.
There are over a billion Christians, and a few will be odd. If 100,000 were odd, that would still be only 0.01%, whereas in any political party, I'd suggest the odd ones comprise more than 10%..
And remember, Christians are meant to go out and do good things without being too judgemental. Not like politicians, who demand that other people do things that they consider to be good (and often are not).
You're welcome to criticise Christianity, but at least have a vague knowledge of what you're talking about.
So it looks like we're back to the status quo ante with the YouGov polls
Not quite.....If I was Miliband I'd be happier with the leadership internals (in touch with concerns of ordinary people: 25 (+3)) than Cameron (sticks to what he believes in 21(-3)) - probably noise, but if not, good news for Ed....
And Spain's PMI is out, and is pretty much bang in line at 54.9
Digging down into the Markit press release there is more good news - Spain's services sector has finally reversed 70 consecutive months of falling services sector employment by recording a marginal increase in January.
The 54.9 Services PMI is the best for six and a half years.
There have always demands for this part of society or that to demonstrate their loyalty to our values etc. What puzzles me is why people give it so much attention. It's pretty ludicrous to think that hundreds of thousands of blameless, law-abiding, peaceful people should be held responsible for a few maniacs, or to believe that signing up to any kind of declaration is going to make any difference anyway, but if that is what this UKIP bloke believes, so be it; it's hardly the crime of the century. Likewise, I am not sure what the problem is with people responding to what he says by being appalled.
Yes, it is perfectly reasonable for a Christian to denounce bits of the Bible. More importantly: has any Christan or Jew tried to stone a rebellious son recently? Stonings are part of the law in a number of Islamic countries, as are death sentences for apostasy and homosexuality or female adultery.
People who drag up obscure parts of the Bible that are considered superseded by all Christian Churches in defence of the current violence so prevalent in Islamic societies need to get real.
If the bible had bits in it about executing apostates would the guardian be demanding Christian leaders denounce it?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "
got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
So you're proving my point then - it's okay to denounce bits of the bible?
I'm not sure such verses have been superseded. The verses are still canon, and is still relevant to religious thinking - they have not been written out of modern versions of the bible. It is the underlying message and not the exact words. I.e. a son should obey a father might well be religious thinking, it's just that the stoning bit is seen as being antiquated by most.
Interpretation of religious texts is massively important, and where many problems and conflicts occur.
Then again, Christianity in particular is an artificial construct - many of the New Testament apocrypha and gnostic texts could have been included if different decisions had been made. Indeed, some Christian sects have bibles containing different texts.
Mr. Observer, the charter idea is just mad. It presupposes that the default position of Muslims is to be violent lunatics. There is an issue regarding terrorism, extremism and intolerance for freedom of expression, but (particularly the first two) are clearly in a minority.
We should focus on encouraging integration and standing up more firmly for British ideals, such as freedom of expression. The politicians who will, undoubtedly, bravely criticise this daft idea will probably not say a damned thing about Jesus and Mo/Maajid Nawaz.
There does seem to be an astonishing ignorance of Christianity from some members of PB. I'd assumed they were mostly tongue in cheek, but now, I'm not so sure. For example, the relationship between the Old and New Testaments seems to be a mystery for many people. But ignorance doesn't inhibit pontification.
There are over a billion Christians, and a few will be odd. If 100,000 were odd, that would still be only 0.01%, whereas in any political party, I'd suggest the odd ones comprise more than 10%..
And remember, Christians are meant to go out and do good things without being too judgemental. Not like politicians, who demand that other people do things that they consider to be good (and often are not).
You're welcome to criticise Christianity, but at least have a vague knowledge of what you're talking about.
Yep, I guess you are referring to the quote of Deuteronomy 21, 18 to 21 below. Scrutinising the fine points of any religion can be a game, and even edifying. In the case of the Bible the underlying point (I think) is that the New Testament preaches forgiveness, but not weakness---the prodigal son's tale for instance. This was revolutionary in the Roman world, and is unfortunately is also very often today.
Monica, Do you plan to post the info re the grovelling apologies made by the pupils of Strathallan private school , £27K a year. They were shown to be a nasty , vicous set of overprivileged unionist thugs.
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got toned down a bit for the ASBO policy.
anhyoo, where do we sign?
My birthday today, so let's have an 11-point Labour lead, eh?
Staying at the utterly sterile Docklands Travelodge and then travelling in on the DLR seemed to fit the mood of the exhibition marvellously.
http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/edward-hopper
An extrapolation which, as it happens, is fairly close to the all polls average for the kipper VI at that time.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
So I'd say if we split the difference then 16% would seem to be a reasonable assumption.
You can also see just how high some of the polling put the kippers on for May so obviously it's not just underestimates when we are dealing with kipper polling.
The all polls average is invaluable because you can see the over and under while the average trend line eliminates irregularities and outliers such as the bizarre YouGov blip last week.
I still see nothing to sway me from my thinking that the kippers will be in the 8-10% range for the GE.
One or two MPs? Maybe. Depends on the mood music coming from kipper high command as by then they had better be absolutely certain they have finally rid themselves of all the BNP infiltrators and other extremists who have tried to jump on the kipper bandwagon.
We can at least be certain the Cameroons who think they will get the kippers down to below 5% and back to their 2010 levels just by wishing it are living in a world of make believe.
I think it doesn't do any harm to UKIP at all, at least in the short term. Wonder what Farage really thinks. Seems he might lose the more libertarian party members eventually?
I think this years May local election results will give us a pretty clear picture of UKIP's 2015 prospects. I expect them to be pretty up front about which seats they intend to target too.
I did say maybe and I also pointed out they had better be certain they have rid themselves of the BNP and other extremists who have jumped on the kipper bandwagon. Something which Farage himself said he would be cracking down on since more local representation makes it far more than a theoretical danger.
Naming those seats straight after May? Perhaps. Though I would have thought Farage would ride out the good May publicity for as long as he can then at the last possible and practical moment name the big target seats in a flourish of yet more publicity.
He's also not naming them yet to terrify as many tories in marginal seats as possible remember. A tactic that certainly seems to be working a treat when you see the headless chickens running frantically about the commons making poor Cammie's life a misery.
He's also not naming them yet to terrify as many tories in marginal seats as possible remember. A tactic that certainly seems to be working a treat when you see the headless chickens running frantically about the commons making poor Cammie's life a misery.It'll be obvious. Last year The Sun paid Survation to crunch the numbers.
http://survation.com/2013/05/ukip-won-in-8-westminster-constituencies-last-thursday/
If they don't do the same this year, AndyJS or someone else will be on the case and they'll publish them online.
People who drag up obscure parts of the Bible that are considered superseded by all Christian Churches in defence of the current violence so prevalent in Islamic societies need to get real.
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Leading us off is Ireland, where the number was a (marginally lower, but still extremely high) 61.5. Sweden was also very positive (although also slightly below December) 55.9.
Later today, we have Italy, France, Germany, Spain and the UK. Expectations are for France and Italy to continue to show very weak numbers (48.6 and 48.9, respectively), while Germany is expected to be showing continued modest GDP growth (53.6), Spain is forecast to show further evidence of an accelerating recovery (55.0), and the UK is expected to be the best of the major economies (59.0).
Robert - I'm all for extended "Nighthawks" but really 8.00am ?? .... is your father still in bed or has he lost his follicular restorative cream again ??
He announced down thread that it's his birthday today and Mike, TSE and all the thread writers have rushed round to Broxtowe to give him the bumps !!
On the biblical topic, are we sure that what is reported is what God wanted, and second;y, that it's been translated correctly?
McNish's first thoughts on the first test:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26036140
The key point is that reliability trumps pace. I have vague memories of Raikkonen's McLaren days, where his car was fast but broke so often he never got a title with them. Or of 2012, when McLaren (again) had the fastest car overall through the season, but numerous reliability failings meant it went down to Vettel or Alonso.
There are over a billion Christians, and a few will be odd. If 100,000 were odd, that would still be only 0.01%, whereas in any political party, I'd suggest the odd ones comprise more than 10%..
And remember, Christians are meant to go out and do good things without being too judgemental. Not like politicians, who demand that other people do things that they consider to be good (and often are not).
You're welcome to criticise Christianity, but at least have a vague knowledge of what you're talking about.
The 54.9 Services PMI is the best for six and a half years.
Interpretation of religious texts is massively important, and where many problems and conflicts occur.
Then again, Christianity in particular is an artificial construct - many of the New Testament apocrypha and gnostic texts could have been included if different decisions had been made. Indeed, some Christian sects have bibles containing different texts.
We should focus on encouraging integration and standing up more firmly for British ideals, such as freedom of expression. The politicians who will, undoubtedly, bravely criticise this daft idea will probably not say a damned thing about Jesus and Mo/Maajid Nawaz.