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But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Edited to prevent a REALLY long journey! Cape Fear...dear dear dear.....0 -
Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax0
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Who is Jacob Rees-Galt?Nigelb said:
For a fraction of the cost of Brexit, we could purchase the Isle of Wight, and donate it to the Mogg/Redwood tendency so they could live out their Singapore fantasy.matt said:
Looking at your post and the Jim Pickard post below, I find that I have to restrain myself from wishing genuine ill on leavers. As for their fantasies of Singapore on the North Sea, I’d understood much of the public we’re resolutely statist, pro-support for nationalisation various and very keen to have other people taxed....MarqueeMark said:
Unlikely. So many in Westminster don't want him. But if it gets to the members, I think he probably still gets it, as the standard bearer for Brexit. Would he really Hard Brexit? I'm not sure he would, when it came down to it. Not out of choice. He'd be looking for some compromise. But at least he would make efforts to achieve that better deal. Unlike May, who has gone as far as she wants - even if it is not as far as she needs.JosiasJessop said:
Do you really think Boris will be PM?
But I don't think he would shirk from delivering Brexit if he had to - once all the other options had fallen away. And I still wonder whether Hard Brexit might be the way to go. It has the benefit of starting the EU trade negotiations with a clean slate, rather than under the hideously compromised May deal. A trade arangement that could last decades. And there would no doubt be some initial economic hardship (although the death and famine doom will look to be ridiculously over-played when reality arrives).
But I do think - could it be a Black Wednesday Redux? Getting out of a European arrangement that initially caused economic mayhem, but proved self-evidently the right thing to do when it allowed the economy to power head. I could see Boris getting stuck in to deliver that. And at least the Tory MPs could remove him from Number 10 at a later date. The same can not be said if they have facilitated PM Corbyn.
There’s probably somewhere around half a million Brits who’d join them. They might fall a bit short of their sub minimum wage worker target, though.0 -
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Strong and stable leadership. Ha!Pulpstar said:Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax
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I think the contempt thing is odd but don't forget Labour has generally been a passive by-stander in all of the talks with the EU. It's been a teenager getting frustrated at the adults because it's not all about them. Carping from the side lines is all they can do to make themselves feel important. It's a natural frustration for oppositions, and I suspect the Tories might be doing the same if the boot was on the other foot.
Irritating, but in a family, you tend to indulge them a little. Not a good look, though.
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Ha.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
As an aside of course he can’t “guarantee” something won’t happen. Correct use of language by himOldKingCole said:Pharmacy Magazine, a magazine which is widely read among community pharmacists...... pharmacists in 'chemists' ........ has this (slightly edited, but not to change thrust)
'Concerns have been expressed by the MHRA and by the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry that there was insufficient cold warehouse storage to stockpile sufficient amounts of medicines such as insulin should the flow of medicines into the UK be disrupted by a no deal Brexit.
The Sec of State for Health (etc!) said: “Community pharmacies, like everybody else should support the prime minister’s deal, which will make sure that that eventuality does not occur.”
In the run up to the cabinet’s approving the draft Brexit plan, he reportedly told colleagues he could not guarantee that a no deal scenario and the medicine supply issues that could ensue from this would not lead to patient fatalities.'
Now I'm an optimist, and am sure it won't be as bad as worst case, but I'm only 'sure'. I've been in commercial situations where 'worst case', although considered unlikely, actually happened.0 -
Now I've got an image of a car driving through the South Atlantic...MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Edited to prevent a REALLY long journey! Cape Fear...dear dear dear.....
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Was he eating cheese at the time?TheScreamingEagles said:
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He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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Quite. Underlines my last paragraph.Charles said:
As an aside of course he can’t “guarantee” something won’t happen. Correct use of language by himOldKingCole said:Pharmacy Magazine, a magazine which is widely read among community pharmacists...... pharmacists in 'chemists' ........ has this (slightly edited, but not to change thrust)
'Concerns have been expressed by the MHRA and by the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry that there was insufficient cold warehouse storage to stockpile sufficient amounts of medicines such as insulin should the flow of medicines into the UK be disrupted by a no deal Brexit.
The Sec of State for Health (etc!) said: “Community pharmacies, like everybody else should support the prime minister’s deal, which will make sure that that eventuality does not occur.”
In the run up to the cabinet’s approving the draft Brexit plan, he reportedly told colleagues he could not guarantee that a no deal scenario and the medicine supply issues that could ensue from this would not lead to patient fatalities.'
Now I'm an optimist, and am sure it won't be as bad as worst case, but I'm only 'sure'. I've been in commercial situations where 'worst case', although considered unlikely, actually happened.0 -
You can’t say the EU leadership doesn’t listen to the voters...MarqueeMark said:
Strong and stable leadership. Ha!Pulpstar said:Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax
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Er.... North Carolina! Where you heading? There's Cape Disapointment on South Georgia.....ydoethur said:
Now I've got an image of a car driving through the South Atlantic...MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Edited to prevent a REALLY long journey! Cape Fear...dear dear dear.....0 -
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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Nah. Right time to pour oil on troubled watersydoethur said:
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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OPEC it in, both of you!Charles said:
Nah. Right time to pour oil on troubled watersydoethur said:
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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Well-drilled government....Charles said:
Nah. Right time to pour oil on troubled watersydoethur said:
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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In a further brilliant muddle, I was confusing it with Cape Horn!MarqueeMark said:
Er.... North Carolina! Where you heading? There's Cape Disapointment on South Georgia.....ydoethur said:
Now I've got an image of a car driving through the South Atlantic...MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Edited to prevent a REALLY long journey! Cape Fear...dear dear dear.....0 -
Our puns need refining, I think.williamglenn said:
OPEC it in, both of you!Charles said:
Nah. Right time to pour oil on troubled watersydoethur said:
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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...as Boris proposes we renegotiate Brexit by trashing the Eiffel Tower.....Charles said:
You can’t say the EU leadership doesn’t listen to the voters...MarqueeMark said:
Strong and stable leadership. Ha!Pulpstar said:Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax
(I shouldn't jest! It only gives him ideas....)0 -
" proved self-evidently the right thing to do when it allowed the economy to power head."MarqueeMark said:
Unlikely. So many in Westminster don't want him. But if it gets to the members, I think he probably still gets it, as the standard bearer for Brexit. Would he really Hard Brexit? I'm not sure he would, when it came down to it. Not out of choice. He'd be looking for some compromise. But at least he would make efforts to achieve that better deal. Unlike May, who has gone as far as she wants - even if it is not as far as she needs.JosiasJessop said:
Do you really think Boris will be PM?
But I don't think he would shirk from delivering Brexit if he had to - once all the other options had fallen away. And I still wonder whether Hard Brexit might be the way to go. It has the benefit of starting the EU trade negotiations with a clean slate, rather than under the hideously compromised May deal. A trade arangement that could last decades. And there would no doubt be some initial economic hardship (although the death and famine doom will look to be ridiculously over-played when reality arrives).
But I do think - could it be a Black Wednesday Redux? Getting out of a European arrangement that initially caused economic mayhem, but proved self-evidently the right thing to do when it allowed the economy to power head. I could see Boris getting stuck in to deliver that. And at least the Tory MPs could remove him from Number 10 at a later date. The same can not be said if they have facilitated PM Corbyn.
Yep, a wet dream.
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Political action: France
Riot, loot, smash, burn, build barricades, torch barricades, threaten death and destruction.
Political action: England
Tut. Mutter under breath "This won't do. Won't do at all...."0 -
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html0 -
Is there any scenario ever anywhere that May can't make worse? Is there anything that our political classes won't do to avoid engaging with the actual realities that we face as opposed to their various fantasies?
And the clock keeps ticking....0 -
And we have a winner 😆williamglenn said:
OPEC it in, both of you!Charles said:
Nah. Right time to pour oil on troubled watersydoethur said:
But his political instincts appear crude.Charles said:
He’s a slick one, that Macronydoethur said:
They've drilled into his last reserves...Gallowgate said:Macron caves on fuel prices.
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You can book a hospital appointment before you shoot your arm off, that does not make it a good ideaMarqueeMark said:
These conversations should have been had in Cabinet two years ago. Not when looking down the barrel of Brexit.williamglenn said:
An egregious failure of Government.0 -
And a better walk. That north coast is superb terrain. With the added bonus of a nuclear research site, and soon a rocket complex!MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
(Snip)
Wouldn't like to live there, though. When I fractured my elbow it would have been a three hour drive to the nearest A&E in Inverness. I'm sure HYUFD could tell us how long the ferry journey would be ...0 -
It wasydoethur said:
In a further brilliant muddle, I was confusing it with Cape Horn!MarqueeMark said:
Er.... North Carolina! Where you heading? There's Cape Disapointment on South Georgia.....ydoethur said:
Now I've got an image of a car driving through the South Atlantic...MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Edited to prevent a REALLY long journey! Cape Fear...dear dear dear.....lateearly, we were tired....0 -
No there are not Hyufd. There are bus services that connect with the Ullapool-Stornaway ferry and are therefore called 'ferry buses.'HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html0 -
A nuclear war between Trump and Putin.DavidL said:Is there any scenario ever anywhere that May can't make worse? Is there anything that our political classes won't do to avoid engaging with the actual realities that we face as opposed to their various fantasies?
And the clock keeps ticking....0 -
That link doesn't give one. The Citylink site givs a Bus and Ferry service from Inverness to Stornway, via Ullapool. Bus to Ullapool, boat to Stornaway.HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html0 -
That was of course the point made by the prof on R4. You can't come to power saying you will listen to the people and then not listen to the people.Charles said:
You can’t say the EU leadership doesn’t listen to the voters...MarqueeMark said:
Strong and stable leadership. Ha!Pulpstar said:Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax
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As Hague shows today Parliament can change the rules to provide more time by pushing things through in days rather than years. Whether its sensible to do that is of course an entirely different matter.DavidL said:Is there any scenario ever anywhere that May can't make worse? Is there anything that our political classes won't do to avoid engaging with the actual realities that we face as opposed to their various fantasies?
And the clock keeps ticking....0 -
So you can get there by bus and ferry, there is still a clear public transport route between the twoydoethur said:
No there are not Hyufd. There are bus services that connect with the Ullapool-Stornaway ferry and are therefore called 'ferry buses.'HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html0 -
It was only your elbow. Nothing wrong with your legs you shirker you could have walked.JosiasJessop said:
And a better walk. That north coast is superb terrain. With the added bonus of a nuclear research site, and soon a rocket complex!MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
(Snip)
Wouldn't like to live there, though. When I fractured my elbow it would have been a three hour drive to the nearest A&E in Inverness. I'm sure HYUFD could tell us how long the ferry journey would be ...
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It must be every inch of 220 miles from Ullapool to Inverness by sea. Hardly less than 100 if you go to Banavie and pick up the Caledonian Canal.OldKingCole said:
That link doesn't give one. The Citylink site givs a Bus and Ferry service from Inverness to Stornway, via Ullapool. Bus to Ullapool, boat to Stornaway.HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html
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Well if you choose to live in one of the most remote parts of Britain that is the price you pay for the sceneryJosiasJessop said:
And a better walk. That north coast is superb terrain. With the added bonus of a nuclear research site, and soon a rocket complex!MarqueeMark said:
But it would be oh so scenic..... Even the long route round. (The drive from John O'Groats to Cape Wrath is awesome.)ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
(Snip)
Wouldn't like to live there, though. When I fractured my elbow it would have been a three hour drive to the nearest A&E in Inverness. I'm sure HYUFD could tell us how long the ferry journey would be ...0 -
Yes, but that's not what you said!HYUFD said:
So you can get there by bus and ferry, there is still a clear public transport route between the twoydoethur said:
No there are not Hyufd. There are bus services that connect with the Ullapool-Stornaway ferry and are therefore called 'ferry buses.'HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html
(And no, you do not catch a ferry at any point between Ullapool and Inverness. Ullapool is the port for the Stornaway ferry.)0 -
Unlike May of course, who comes to power promising to implement Brexit, then doesn't listen to the people who voted for Brexit....TOPPING said:
That was of course the point made by the prof on R4. You can't come to power saying you will listen to the people and then not listen to the people.Charles said:
You can’t say the EU leadership doesn’t listen to the voters...MarqueeMark said:
Strong and stable leadership. Ha!Pulpstar said:Macron has caved to the mob on fuel tax
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Well done. You just bled to death through lack of planning.....HYUFD said:
You can book a hospital appointment before you shoot your arm off, that does not make it a good ideaMarqueeMark said:
These conversations should have been had in Cabinet two years ago. Not when looking down the barrel of Brexit.williamglenn said:
An egregious failure of Government.0 -
Presumably they are talking about fully licensed storage facilities. At a pinch temperature sensitive medicines could be stored in other commercial warehouses - not ideal but it wouldn't kill anyone.OldKingCole said:Pharmacy Magazine, a magazine which is widely read among community pharmacists...... pharmacists in 'chemists' ........ has this (slightly edited, but not to change thrust)
'Concerns have been expressed by the MHRA and by the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry that there was insufficient cold warehouse storage to stockpile sufficient amounts of medicines such as insulin should the flow of medicines into the UK be disrupted by a no deal Brexit.
The Sec of State for Health (etc!) said: “Community pharmacies, like everybody else should support the prime minister’s deal, which will make sure that that eventuality does not occur.”
In the run up to the cabinet’s approving the draft Brexit plan, he reportedly told colleagues he could not guarantee that a no deal scenario and the medicine supply issues that could ensue from this would not lead to patient fatalities.'
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FFS!HYUFD said:
So you can get there by bus and ferry, there is still a clear public transport route between the twoydoethur said:
No there are not Hyufd. There are bus services that connect with the Ullapool-Stornaway ferry and are therefore called 'ferry buses.'HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than Northumberland? As I said. Hexham JCP covers an area bigger than Herefordshire. And it is the only one."
It depends, of course, on how you define rurality. I think Herefordshire might be unique in England in having no high rise buildings (more than, say, ten storeys high), and no official length of motorway (unless you count the Ross spur (which some don't))
In other words its complicated. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html
I know you have this unbending need to be right all the time but a bus/ferry/bus combination is not “a clear public transport route”
On that basis, if you include shank’s pony, it is possible to travel for free anywhere on the GB mainland
As an aide memoire:
https://xkcd.com/386/0 -
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So you shoot your arm off anyway leaving yourself permanently severely disabled but can congratulate yourself on the fact you might not bleed to death!MarqueeMark said:
Well done. You just bled to death through lack of planning.....HYUFD said:
You can book a hospital appointment before you shoot your arm off, that does not make it a good ideaMarqueeMark said:
These conversations should have been had in Cabinet two years ago. Not when looking down the barrel of Brexit.williamglenn said:
An egregious failure of Government.0 -
Yes, looking back our exit from the ERM was the firing of the starting gun on a decade and a half of unprecedented and uninterrupted economic growth.Charles said:
With hindsight it had proved to beRecidivist said:
I don't think Black Wednesday was self evidently the right thing to do.MarqueeMark said:
Unlikely. So many in Westminster don't want him. But if it gets to the members, I think he probably still gets it, as the standard bearer for Brexit. Would he really Hard Brexit? I'm not sure he would, when it came down to it. Not out of choice. He'd be looking for some compromise. But at least he would make efforts to achieve that better deal. Unlike May, who has gone as far as she wants - even if it is not as far as she needs.JosiasJessop said:
Do you really think Boris will be PM?
But I don't think he would shirk from delivering Brexit if he had to - once all the other options had fallen away. And I still wonder whether Hard Brexit might be the way to go. It has the benefit of starting the EU trade negotiations with a clean slate, rather than under the hideously compromised May deal. A trade arangement that could last decades. And there would no doubt be some initial economic hardship (although the death and famine doom will look to be ridiculously over-played when reality arrives).
But I do think - could it be a Black Wednesday Redux? Getting out of a European arrangement that initially caused economic mayhem, but proved self-evidently the right thing to do when it allowed the economy to power head. I could see Boris getting stuck in to deliver that. And at least the Tory MPs could remove him from Number 10 at a later date. The same can not be said if they have facilitated PM Corbyn.
At the time it was a balance between politics and economics with the politicians deciding in favour of politics
It was difficult for a short while, as things adjusted to the new normal, but the U.K. is full of resourceful people who soon worked out how to benefit from the changed arrangements.
Brexit has the potential to be the same, if only the politicians on all sides could see the opportunity staring them in the face and get behind leaving the EU. 90% of worldwide economic growth in the next decade is forecast to come from outside the EU.
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Mr HYUFD,
"That is a victory for rural and small town France who have seen Macron as the President for the rich and for metropolitan."
Like the EU, you mean?
Being in opposition when the government is doing all the negotiating is like being Vice-President of the USA - not worth a bucket of warm spit, as the saying goes. and that's Labour's problem.
They have two options … oppose everything (there's a Monty Python sketch about that), or put forward your own policies and hope they get a hearing. Labour have chosen the first because they haven't actually got a consistent policy on Europe. They have the six tests which are BINO writ large without saying so, but their real policy is to lie low and say nuffin. So that only leaves … oppose everything and make a lot of noise.
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It is a public transport route even in one of the most rural parts of the UK.Charles said:
FFS!HYUFD said:
So you can get there by bus and ferry, there is still a clear public transport route between the twoydoethur said:
No there are not Hyufd. There are bus services that connect with the Ullapool-Stornaway ferry and are therefore called 'ferry buses.'HYUFD said:
There are certainly ferries from Inverness to Ullapool, I would presume the other way too.ydoethur said:
And the Severn Bridges (both of them) lead to Monmouthshire.justin124 said:
The western end of the M4 is in Carmarthenshire.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Using the historic boundaries as defined pre 1972, I think Glamorgan is the only traditional Welsh county with one.Mortimer said:
I think Dorset might be the only traditional county without a motorwayrpjs said:
Well, if you’re going to use real county boundaries and not fiat ones, then Northumberland does contain motorways and high-rise buildings as its southern border is the Tyne, all the way to the sea.Mortimer said:
But the IoW is part of Hants.IanB2 said:
Isle of Wight has no motorways and only one extremely short stretch of dual carriageway outside the hospital. And no buildings more than ten storeys high afaikSeanT said:Fpt
Dixiedean:
"Herefordshire is more rural than d. Northumberland would surely win on other metrics. Population density?
But even that pales in comparison to Hyufd's extraordinary claim on the last thread that there are ferries from Ullapool to Inverness. I still have a vision of the old Suilven steaming through solid granite towards Garve...
Bus services from Ullapool to Inverness certainly
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/transport.html
I know you have this unbending need to be right all the time but a bus/ferry/bus combination is not “a clear public transport route”
On that basis, if you include shank’s pony, it is possible to travel for free anywhere on the GB mainland
As an aide memoire:
https://xkcd.com/386/
As I said last night there are public transport routes to jobcentres anywhere in the country. As for harsh welfare policies in say the USA or Canada or Italy for example where if you have not made sufficient unemployment insurance contributions you do not get unemployment benefits at all, and benefits are time limited. If you really want to whinge about food banks try living there!0 -
Our politicians are the ones who have contrived to get themselves in a pickle, where their arm might just get shot off. Yet they refuse to make preparations for limb-loss at the local infirmery, because....they refuse to face up to their own mortality? They'd rather die from blood loss than admit their arm might be a gonna.HYUFD said:
So you shoot your arm off anyway leaving yourself permanently severely disabled but can congratulate yourself on the fact you might not bleed to death!MarqueeMark said:
Well done. You just bled to death through lack of planning.....HYUFD said:
You can book a hospital appointment before you shoot your arm off, that does not make it a good ideaMarqueeMark said:
These conversations should have been had in Cabinet two years ago. Not when looking down the barrel of Brexit.williamglenn said:
An egregious failure of Government.
Or something....weird analogy, weird situation.0 -
No Deal with our largest market will by definition be the equivalent of losing a limb, you can only try and minimise the damage, damage there still will be if May's Deal is rejectedMarqueeMark said:
Our politicians are the ones who have contrived to get themselves in a pickle, where their arm might just get shot off. Yet they refuse to make preparations for limb-loss at the local infirmery, because....they refuse to face up to their own mortality? They'd rather die from blood loss than admit their arm might be a gonna.HYUFD said:
So you shoot your arm off anyway leaving yourself permanently severely disabled but can congratulate yourself on the fact you might not bleed to death!MarqueeMark said:
Well done. You just bled to death through lack of planning.....HYUFD said:
You can book a hospital appointment before you shoot your arm off, that does not make it a good ideaMarqueeMark said:
These conversations should have been had in Cabinet two years ago. Not when looking down the barrel of Brexit.williamglenn said:
An egregious failure of Government.
Or something....weird analogy, weird situation.0
