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If you look at the front of forces on the march you tend to find one of three things. Leaders, figureheads, and cannon fodder, and British politics certainly hasn’t been suffering from an excess of leadership recently.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/spain-accuses-uk-of-treachery-over-gibraltar-brexit-deal
https://twitter.com/nudderingnudnik/status/1063113093520207872?s=21
Was it ever going to end well? I think there was a way, which was to toss the question of what Brexit was back to the people, in the form of a Citizen's Assembly - but perhaps it's unrealistic to expect politicians to cede control in such a way.
Too truthful to be satire sadly.
JewsZionists ?As you say, leadership in desperately short supply and needed more than ever. Although I wonder if Brexit would have been beyond the likes of Churchill, not just the likes of May.
When Tezzie accuses Jezza of playing party politics over Brexit, my response is 'I bloody well hope so!'
But that would lack class.
And so onto the leaked Political Statement, which is Canada just plus enough not to be silly, given we're twenty miles away rather than 3000 miles. European Union very, very minus - that's all we need to know.
Is that after relegation or a just-about-got-over-the-line-what-were-you-worried-about season?
May would need to offer something (carrot or stick) to get Labour to change to support the 2nd MV surely?
(In contrast, I'd suggest Labour supports the Meaningful vote, noting that they are bailing out the Govt in the interests of the country, then launches a VoNC when DUP and ERG nerves are at their rawest.)
Thanks for the thread, Corporeal, but I'm not sure I agree.
There was an opportunity in the immediate aftermath of the referendum for May to establish and evolve a broader concensus on some of the key themes of LEAVE. She could, for example, have set out a BINO position from the start.
The problem was the country was exhausted from months of rancorous debate, everyone wanted to go on their holidays and forget about politics and the EU.
Instead, we abdicated responsibility and went along with "Trust Theresa" until we discovered we didn't and since the 2017 GE the negotiation process has been constrained by the political reality of her appalling decision to go to the country. She should have resigned on the Friday morning after.
I suspect had she got the majority of 50-100 she was expecting she could have concluded a BINO agreement quickly and effectively but through her own political misjudgement something simple has become a long drawn out train wreck or car crash for those who eschew public transport.
The only saving grace is she faces Jeremy Corbyn - were she facing, for example, Ed Balls, the towels would be flying in from her corner by now.
Although it would have neutralised many problems if they were.
Interesting that 1940 was less dramatic than 1938.
In a way it's reassuring to know it's not only in Britain that political leaders are ignorant incompetents, but it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the future of civilization.
Edit: anyway, he can't 'veto Brexit.' That's like these idiots talking about unilaterally withdrawing A50. I think he means he will refuse to endorse the withdrawal agreement.
"Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit
The next 12 months have the potential to be the most dramatic in British politics for 78 years.
And a bit of luck too.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/framework-uk-eu-future-relationship
Post transition agreement: No freedom of movement/work, but no need to have a visa to visit.
Anyway, the point is, how blessed are we to be political nerds about to witness 12 months of complete political upheaval? As if 2016 wasn't enough eh?
It was leaving Germany intact while giving them no reason not to be embittered that was the big error.
(And you didn't even get into grammar school - well done mate!)
Have a good evening. If war breaks out with Spain you will know the Spanish PM did not relish my comparison of his words to those of Boris. Although it could have been worse, it looked more like Trump.
You consistently tell us all what you're opposed to but seldom tell us in detail what you want/would do.
Since nature abhors a vacuum...
Say's the person who has such "eccentric" tastes in shoes...
May prefers to sacrifice democratic accountability for economic benefits.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1065725037796298753
The advantage of Blind BINO Brexit to the Leavers is that at least it is Brexit. It gets them over the line.
The advantage to the EU is that their position is strengthened for ongoing negotiations. Any country (like Spain over Gibralter) or Slovakia or Romania over work permits can veto a Trade Agreement, and in the meantime the CU and Backstop apply.
A good deal is defined as being good for both parties.
Not sure she’ll win, people care too much on this one.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1065634225951522816