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Can Ed raise at PMQs the shiteness of Aussie Umpires?0
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Luke Wright in to the attack.
First ball = 6
Nice.
3 balls in to the over, gone for just 14.
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F1: testing's quiet. Just three times set. One suspects there may be teething problems with some teams.0
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Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 3m
Labour is launching a Justice For The Coalfields campaign. Honestly. I am not making this up.
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Golden arm. Leave the tipster stuff to TSE...Scrapheap_as_was said:Luke Wright in to the attack.
First ball = 6
Nice.
3 balls in to the over, gone for just 14.
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He's bought a wicket too.
It is one of my overs!0 -
To be fair, I think that's because most posters assume a Labour lead of 5-7 is 'ordinary course' and therefore there's not much to comment on day after day. Assuming that a lead of 2-3% is sustained over a few polls (so not an outlier) then a jump back to 7% would be worth of comment.TheLastBoyScout said:
To be fair, you write that when a poll shows a small lead then disappear entirely when it shows a larger one. It's a tendency I have noted among others on here too.richardDodd said:Soaraway Labour..a full 3 points ahead...no stopping these lads.
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Indeed. And you probably would comment. Richard Dodd would disappear I dare say.Charles said:
To be fair, I think that's because most posters assume a Labour lead of 5-7 is 'ordinary course' and therefore there's not much to comment on day after day. Assuming that a lead of 2-3% is sustained over a few polls (so not an outlier) then a jump back to 7% would be worth of comment.TheLastBoyScout said:
To be fair, you write that when a poll shows a small lead then disappear entirely when it shows a larger one. It's a tendency I have noted among others on here too.richardDodd said:Soaraway Labour..a full 3 points ahead...no stopping these lads.
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I fully expect to see the result most people expect to see. It's just a matter of by how much.Scrapheap_as_was said:Well said SO.
Prediction for tonight please?
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Does anyone remember Henry Manson tweeting during an Ed M conference speech for someone, anyone pleading to make it stop?
That's English men's cricket that is... (which comedy prog am I referring to there...)0 -
A 4 run over, Australia struggling to get it away.0
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It's worth noting that.Verulamius said:One reason to include don't knows in the 2010 LD switchers is that they are significantly higher (~24%) than 2010C (~10%) or 2010L(~10%).
Just as it is worth noting that the "LD switchers are sliding back" thing was probably based upon a 24 hour blip in a very odd poll that also included a Blue Gen X and a Red Baby Boom. I expect @MikeSmithson will soon comment and perhaps revise his view (assuming the ~35% is sustained)
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The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.0
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Pressure creates wickets...0
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Mr. Scrapheap, I know not the name of the programme but it was the Baddiel and Somebody Else Skit.
"You know that Peter Beardsley? That's your mum, that is."0 -
The Mary Whitehouse Experience (History Today)Scrapheap_as_was said:Does anyone remember Henry Manson tweeting during an Ed M conference speech for someone, anyone pleading to make it stop?
That's English men's cricket that is... (which comedy prog am I referring to there...)
Classic!
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Will shore up core vote in heartlands while doing no damage whatsoever elsewhere. Not a bad moveSouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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I live in an ex mining town, there is no real need for Labour to 'shore up' anything here.TheLastBoyScout said:
Will shore up core vote in heartlands while doing no damage whatsoever elsewhere. Not a bad moveSouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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Australia won't get 200 too.0
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Mr. Flashman (deceased), I expect it's an excuse to be able to shriek "Thatcher!" and point at heartless, baby-eating Conservatives.
It's easier to attack the past than to defend Labour's present (which is of completely buggering up the economy, then being utterly wrong on how to resolve it).0 -
195 I reckon.0
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Correct - Baddiel and Newman I think.0
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Jade's still got 2 up his sleeve...Pulpstar said:Australia won't get 200 too.
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I live in an ex mining town, there is no real need for Labour to 'shore up' anything here.TheLastBoyScout said:
Will shore up core vote in heartlands while doing no damage whatsoever elsewhere. Not a bad moveSouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
Not from an FPTP POV, no. I guess they are worried about losing the PV because of seeping votes to Ukip in their strongholds.0 -
You may as well join the Euro on that basis. The problem with the Eurozone is that you have barely any input on interest rates and have to negotiate with Germany if you ever need to get a bailout. If you just use sterling without permission, it's even worse. You don't get any input on interest rates and you won't ever get a bailout.Charles said:
It depends on the definition of "share".Patrick said:Is Carney going to say: No way Jose?
The SNP assume that they can force England to let them share a currency. I'm not sure that is actually true or in England's own interest. This will be interesting.
The SNP can unilaterally use GBP if they want, and the rUK can't stop them. The SNP can't insist that the rUK gives them (for example) a seat on the BoE MPC.0 -
Wright stole one...Scrapheap_as_was said:
Jade's still got 2 up his sleeve...Pulpstar said:Australia won't get 200 too.
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Mr. Socrates, it's quite perverse that voting *for* independence could actually lose Scotland influence over its own monetary policy.0
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Of course the government has got the deficit down. They've just piled up the debt in the private sector instead.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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TLBS..Sorry scout, I just have time to quickly scan the threads..far too busy making sure Mr Balls wont get his mitts on 50% of my earnings0
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So just as useless, lazy and incompetent as the MEPs from all the other parties then?JohnLoony said:If UKIP goes up to 20 or 25 MEPs in May, then a large proportion of them will probably turn out to be just as useless, lazy and incompetent as the ones elected in 2009, and the group will probably contain just as many gallumphing booliaks, twogliaks, nincompoops, pobblequacks and treacle-pudding maniacs as before. Nikki Sinclaire MEP was born on the same day as me.
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Evidence ?Socrates said:
Of course the government has got the deficit down. They've just piled up the debt in the private sector instead.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
HEW is still negative to billions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...age-debts.html
"The Bank of England said mortgage borrowers built up £10.4bn housing equity in the three months to September - extending to five years the period in which homeowners have increased their property equity rather than grow their debts. This data, officially termed "housing equity withdrawal", measures the change in homeowners' collective equity in their property.""
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25152556
"the Bank of England has pointed out that - relative to income - debt levels have been falling"
http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-credit/1430000000000-britains-personal-debt-timebomb-8950372.htm
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I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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Join the debate at #bbccricket
Tom Roberts: (external) My 2000 Suzuki Alto going over ice in gale force winds has more control than Jade Dernbach.
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Some 'tight' bowling needed for my prediction now...0
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A sensible approach, and much less damaging that Prescott's Pathfinder scheme.FrancisUrquhart said:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/29/one-pound-houses-stoke-on-trent-regeneration
Is it just me or is this from the notoriously pi$$ poor Stoke Council (they of the Moroccan themed Xmas market idea that resulted in camels getting lost on the ring road) actually a far better idea than all that money that Project Prescott splashed up the wall knocking down perfectly good homes.
People get a cheap house and you should also get the vast majority of people who are accepted investing in their home / neighborhood...
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Probably that it's an issue from decades ago that nobody is going to vote on any more?SouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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214 needed to win. Par is probably ~ 205 here so advantage Australia.0
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A sound analysis. Smart move by LabourSouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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No apology required. I was only pulling your legrichardDodd said:TLBS..Sorry scout, I just have time to quickly scan the threads..far too busy making sure Mr Balls wont get his mitts on 50% of my earnings
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London continues to roar ahead in secondary education:
http://www.demos.co.uk/press_releases/ataleoftwoclassroomslondonresultsskewnationalpictureaseducationalinequalityontherise
Can't help thinking that we should be learning a lot more from this.0 -
It shows that people have finally weaned themselves off buying stuff they didn't need with money they didn't have. Or Brownomics, as I think it was known.TGOHF said:Shows there is no increase in personal debt since 2008 in cash terms.
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Is it really? The reactions to her funeral recently might suggest otherwise, as does the panda-level population of Tory MPs in Scotland and much of the North and Wales. (Not a personal sentiment of mine either way; and indeed it would surprise me a little bit if this anti-Mrs T factor is still significantly active.)Socrates said:
Probably that it's an issue from decades ago that nobody is going to vote on any more?SouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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Possibly. Alternatively, it reinforces Labour's links with its traditional heartlands, while highlighting the "arch-Thatcherite" credentials of a party that says it is targeting white, working class, small "c" conservative, Old Labour voters, because they have been abandoned by the metropolitan, middle class, champagne socialists who now lead Labour. Labour cannot out-UKIP UKIP on immigration, and will not try to, but - perhaps unlike the Tories - when it comes to appealing to the hearts and minds of traditional voters in the face of a UKIP challenge it does have certain other advantages. We shall see. At best this may help Labour slightly, at worse it will make no difference.Socrates said:
Probably that it's an issue from decades ago that nobody is going to vote on any more?SouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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Your evidence for this lazy generalisation is...? I've dealt with lots of MEPs from UKIP to Tory to LibDem to Labour to Communist to Green. They are generally hard-working, intelligent and notably more willing to listen to other points of view than your average politician, either in the House of Commons or, ahem, here on pb.Socrates said:
So just as useless, lazy and incompetent as the MEPs from all the other parties then?
On another subject, I see ultra-hot favourite for deputy leader Lorely Burt has been beaten by Malcolm Bruce, even though he's about to leave Parliament next year. What is it about LibDems and women?
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How many votes will it shift ? Just rubbing the tummies of the "would vote for a donkey with a red rosette (and have done for decades) brigade"Carnyx said:
Is it really? The reactions to her funeral recently might suggest otherwise, as does the panda-level population of Tory MPs in Scotland and much of the North and Wales. (Not a personal sentiment of mine either way; and indeed it would surprise me a little bit if this anti-Mrs T factor is still significantly active.)Socrates said:
Probably that it's an issue from decades ago that nobody is going to vote on any more?SouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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I am probably straying onto ground where I need to "check my privilege".TheLastBoyScout said:
A sound analysis. Smart move by LabourSouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
But I suspect that aoutside the former coalfields no one will care and/or it won't change any votes. Inside the heartlands it will be a bit like Miliband turning up to the Durham Rally - showing a bit of leg to a core supporter base, making them feel loved and basically getting a few brownie points at very little cost.
And if you get a few silly tories to make silly comments ("sad but necessary" or whatever) that can be quoted/misquoted out of context then so much the better0 -
Had a tickle on England at 3/1..0
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I strongly encourage Labour to campaign for the Justice for the coalfields.
Trying to extract an apology from the government of thirty years ago, will no way give an opportunity for the Tories to demand an apology for the economic legacy of which the two Eds, left the the coalition.
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So much hate. He wasnt even the worst bowler.TheScreamingEagles said:Join the debate at #bbccricket
Tom Roberts: (external) My 2000 Suzuki Alto going over ice in gale force winds has more control than Jade Dernbach.
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Well I've backed England to win this.0
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Yes, it's not their work-rate that worries me, it's the fact that they think they have democratic legitimacy.NickPalmer said:
Your evidence for this lazy generalisation is...? I've dealt with lots of MEPs from UKIP to Tory to LibDem to Labour to Communist to Green. They are generally hard-working, intelligent and notably more willing to listen to other points of view than your average politician, either in the House of Commons or, ahem, here on pb.Socrates said:
So just as useless, lazy and incompetent as the MEPs from all the other parties then?0 -
He was the worst front line seamer.Neil said:
So much hate. He wasnt even the worst bowler.TheScreamingEagles said:Join the debate at #bbccricket
Tom Roberts: (external) My 2000 Suzuki Alto going over ice in gale force winds has more control than Jade Dernbach.0 -
Bang on. And not just the Tories; UKIP too.Charles said:
I am probably straying onto ground where I need to "check my privilege".TheLastBoyScout said:
A sound analysis. Smart move by LabourSouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
But I suspect that aoutside the former coalfields no one will care and/or it won't change any votes. Inside the heartlands it will be a bit like Miliband turning up to the Durham Rally - showing a bit of leg to a core supporter base, making them feel loved and basically getting a few brownie points at very little cost.
And if you get a few silly tories to make silly comments ("sad but necessary" or whatever) that can be quoted/misquoted out of context then so much the better
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Will it be quietly dropped after the upcoming bye election ?SouthamObserver said:
Bang on. And not just the Tories; UKIP too.Charles said:
I am probably straying onto ground where I need to "check my privilege".TheLastBoyScout said:
A sound analysis. Smart move by LabourSouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
But I suspect that aoutside the former coalfields no one will care and/or it won't change any votes. Inside the heartlands it will be a bit like Miliband turning up to the Durham Rally - showing a bit of leg to a core supporter base, making them feel loved and basically getting a few brownie points at very little cost.
And if you get a few silly tories to make silly comments ("sad but necessary" or whatever) that can be quoted/misquoted out of context then so much the better0 -
Maintaining votes is probably a big part of the strategy. Remind people of UKIP's "arch-Thatcherite" leadership and activist base. It's a tribute to UKIP, but it does raise a legitimate question about the sincerity of their push for Old Labour votes.TGOHF said:
How many votes will it shift ? Just rubbing the tummies of the "would vote for a donkey with a red rosette (and have done for decades) brigade"Carnyx said:
Is it really? The reactions to her funeral recently might suggest otherwise, as does the panda-level population of Tory MPs in Scotland and much of the North and Wales. (Not a personal sentiment of mine either way; and indeed it would surprise me a little bit if this anti-Mrs T factor is still significantly active.)Socrates said:
Probably that it's an issue from decades ago that nobody is going to vote on any more?SouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
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It will rumble on because it will make those involved feel good. It reinforces long-held, unchallenged views. For me, it's one of Labour's big problems. It's harmless, perhaps even politically astute, but it does indicate a reluctance to confront the here, now and tomorrow with anything other than old rhetoric and sloganeering.TGOHF said:
Will it be quietly dropped after the upcoming bye election ?SouthamObserver said:
Bang on. And not just the Tories; UKIP too.Charles said:
I am probably straying onto ground where I need to "check my privilege".TheLastBoyScout said:
A sound analysis. Smart move by LabourSouthamObserver said:
I suspect not. It's a pretty harmless bit of gesture politics. But it does target a demographic that a few UKIPers on here state Labour is not interested in representing. What do the UKIP leadership and activist base think about the miners and Maggie's smashing of the overwhelmingly white, working class Old Labour trades unions?TGOHF said:
Is this " dig up the past" exercise a panic measure to counteract Ukip ?SouthamObserver said:The miners, of course, were overwhelmingly white and working class.
But I suspect that aoutside the former coalfields no one will care and/or it won't change any votes. Inside the heartlands it will be a bit like Miliband turning up to the Durham Rally - showing a bit of leg to a core supporter base, making them feel loved and basically getting a few brownie points at very little cost.
And if you get a few silly tories to make silly comments ("sad but necessary" or whatever) that can be quoted/misquoted out of context then so much the better
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Agreed - as a Surrey fan can England please stop taking our good bowlers and making them rubbish. (Dernbach, Tremlett, and potentially Meaker)TheScreamingEagles said:
He was the worst front line seamer.Neil said:
So much hate. He wasnt even the worst bowler.TheScreamingEagles said:Join the debate at #bbccricket
Tom Roberts: (external) My 2000 Suzuki Alto going over ice in gale force winds has more control than Jade Dernbach.
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Does the "attainment gap" only apply to state schools? If so, it might simply be the case that wealthier pupils are more likely to go to private schools in London.SouthamObserver said:London continues to roar ahead in secondary education:
http://www.demos.co.uk/press_releases/ataleoftwoclassroomslondonresultsskewnationalpictureaseducationalinequalityontherise
Can't help thinking that we should be learning a lot more from this.0 -
Liverpool fans are the best, have a look at this banner last night.
Emile Heskey is in the same bracket as Luis Suarez
Paddy Power @paddypower 1m
Two Liverpool greats are honoured in Anfield!
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They do it our Yorkshire players.Lennon said:
Agreed - as a Surrey fan can England please stop taking our good bowlers and making them rubbish. (Dernbach, Tremlett, and potentially Meaker)TheScreamingEagles said:
He was the worst front line seamer.Neil said:
So much hate. He wasnt even the worst bowler.TheScreamingEagles said:Join the debate at #bbccricket
Tom Roberts: (external) My 2000 Suzuki Alto going over ice in gale force winds has more control than Jade Dernbach.0 -
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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And how likely do you think this is before May 2015 - factoring in the current polling and economic data ?edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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It looks straight out of the Foot era. Probably with similar electoral results.SouthamObserver said:
It will rumble on because it will make those involved feel good. It reinforces long-held, unchallenged views. For me, it's one of Labour's big problems. It's harmless, perhaps even politically astute, but it does indicate a reluctance to confront the here, now and tomorrow with anything other than old rhetoric and sloganeering.
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Is Root really going to score 10+ an over? Seems a strange choice for this format. Not as strange as Dernbach for any format involving a cricket ball though.
This is all about Hales. 10 more overs of him and England would be alright but it is a big ask.0 -
Tory MP's who were reluctant to embrace boundary changes because they would lose their seat are hardly going to take heavy-caliber weaponry to their own feet. Not unless the election is lost. And that ain't the case, not with recent polls and Labour's risible attempts to come up with an alternative economic strategy.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.
I still expect David Cameron to be Prime Minister in June 2015.
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Something like 5% to 8%. Certainly well above zero.TGOHF said:
And how likely do you think this is before May 2015 - factoring in the current polling and economic data ?edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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I'd be very surprised, but you never know.MarqueeMark said:
It looks straight out of the Foot era. Probably with similar electoral results.SouthamObserver said:
It will rumble on because it will make those involved feel good. It reinforces long-held, unchallenged views. For me, it's one of Labour's big problems. It's harmless, perhaps even politically astute, but it does indicate a reluctance to confront the here, now and tomorrow with anything other than old rhetoric and sloganeering.
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I'd say between 0-1.5%edmundintokyo said:
Something like 5% to 8%. Certainly well above zero.TGOHF said:
And how likely do you think this is before May 2015 - factoring in the current polling and economic data ?edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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I'd say England have a higher chance of winning this match than DC being removed.0
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Morgan out now.
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It only takes 15% of them to do it, most of whom will be either safe or threatened by UKIP.MarqueeMark said:
Tory MP's who were reluctant to embrace boundary changes because they would lose their seat are hardly going to take heavy-caliber weaponry to their own feet. Not unless the election is lost. And that ain't the case, not with recent polls and Labour's risible attempts to come up with an alternative economic strategy.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.
I still expect David Cameron to be Prime Minister in June 2015.
Arguably if they pulled the trigger the party would rally around Cameron, but once you've got to the leadership contest the leader is already weakened and things take on a like of their own.0 -
Are England going to lose by more than 100 runs?0
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'Tough' for England now. Australia 1.03 about right.0
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YesDavidL said:Are England going to lose by more than 100 runs?
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Incidentally, Boullier has been confirmed as new team principal of McLaren.0
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On average, of course, but the key difference here is that the Tories are in Government, and so if they cannot deal with the immigration issue to the satisfaction of the voter, the voter has little option but to look for an alternative who they believe will.Gildas said:Immigration is a better issue for Tories than it is for Labour.
It is little comfort for the Tories if they come ahead of Labour in [some/many] voter's preferences on who is best to deal with immigration, if they are second behind UKIP and voters being to believe that UKIP are a credible alternative worth voting for.0 -
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As a Lancashire County Cricket Member, I'm delighted that Jos Buttler has signed for Lancashire, he's going to be awesome in the t20 competition.0
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Everybody seems to ignore the possibility that the War Crimes Against Miners Tribunal makes labour look like a bunch of posturing, ridiculous, lower sixth form dweebs with tiny genitalia. It is simply embarrassing. Sophomoric, silly, time wasting gesture-wank.
Given that Labour already have a problem with this perception of their leaders - Balls and Miliband - as being unlikeable, juvenile geeks - this is not going to help. It's not a huge error but it is an error.
And these unforced errors from Labour are, of late, adding up.0 -
Buttler is indeed a remarkable talent in this format. But Root knocking singles makes the pressure on him unbearable. He will hole out.TGOHF said:
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Re Justice for the Coalfields, I wrote an article here (in 2006/7) about changing loyalties in ex-mining areas. Support for Labour was absolutely rock-solid in coal-mining areas once upon a time, but it's faded away in many cases, in places like the Forest of Dean, Leicestershire, Kent, Somerset, even to an extent in South Yorkshire.0
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It's a profound shame we no longer have a LIKE button. Spot on mr Gildas!Gildas said:Everybody seems to ignore the possibility that the War Crimes Against Miners Tribunal makes labour look like a bunch of posturing, ridiculous, lower sixth form dweebs with tiny genitalia. It is simply embarrassing. Sophomoric, silly, time wasting gesture-wank.
Given that Labour already have a problem with this perception of their leaders - Balls and Miliband - as being unlikeable, juvenile geeks - this is not going to help. It's not a huge error but it is an error.
And these unforced errors from Labour are, of late, adding up.0 -
BTW that's an excellent plan from Stoke council - sell unwanted houses to needy locals for a quid. I cannot think of a better way to regenerate our more impoverished cities and suburb.
The fact it is likely to create rightwing homeowner voters is merely a bonus.
Well done Stoke.0 -
AnotherRichard and myself have noted here that places like Don Valley could conceivably go Tory within a few electionsSean_F said:Re Justice for the Coalfields, I wrote an article here (in 2006/7) about changing loyalties in ex-mining areas. Support for Labour was absolutely rock-solid in coal-mining areas once upon a time, but it's faded away in many cases, in places like the Forest of Dean, Leicestershire, Kent, Somerset, even to an extent in South Yorkshire.
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I think you'd be right. If anyone was paying attention. Which they are not.Gildas said:Everybody seems to ignore the possibility that the War Crimes Against Miners Tribunal makes labour look like a bunch of posturing, ridiculous, lower sixth form dweebs with tiny genitalia. It is simply embarrassing. Sophomoric, silly, time wasting gesture-wank.
Given that Labour already have a problem with this perception of their leaders - Balls and Miliband - as being unlikeable, juvenile geeks - this is not going to help. It's not a huge error but it is an error.
And these unforced errors from Labour are, of late, adding up.
There may be a second order effect, if it influences the view that the commetariat have of the Eds. But voters? Nah!0 -
EU Commission issuing "guidance" about countries like the UK disfranchising citizens who move around the EU.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-77_en.htm
Does this mean anything practical or is it just somebody muttering to themselves?0 -
It was actually even easier in the 1980s, when it was possible to launch annual leadership challenges. I think you just needed one nominee, a proposer and a seconder.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
The 1989 Anthony Meyer challenge should have been a big wake-up call to Thatcher but she just brushed it off. Much of the current behaviour of the parliamentary party dates back to Heath's prolonged sulk following his defeat in 1975 (which rubbed off on his supporters) and Thatcher's reaction to that through her factionalising style of leadership in the 80s. The 'purge of the wet's from 1981 through to 1984 on the economy and then the fights over Europe from around 1988 to 1993 (in particular) but also all the way to 2001.
The Conservative Party has been difficult to manage ever since.
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That's what it would be if they had sensible rules.TGOHF said:
I'd say between 0-1.5%edmundintokyo said:
Something like 5% to 8%. Certainly well above zero.TGOHF said:
And how likely do you think this is before May 2015 - factoring in the current polling and economic data ?edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, when the Tories adopted their current leadership rules they swallowed a bomb, and gave the detonator to a monkey. (Or rather, a group consisting of their 45 least level-headed monkeys.) A no confidence vote could be called at the slightest provocation, and once it had been it's not obvious that Cameron would survive it.TGOHF said:
I think there is zero chance of Dave being removed by 2015 - even the "I'm a celebrity" faction have given up on that.SouthamObserver said:
It's true that there are a lot of voters who make their choices based on personality not policy. That's why Dave is such an asset to the Tories when you put him up against Ed. Any Tory agitating - overtly or openly - for his removal is insane if they want the Tories to win in 2015.DaemonBarber said:
My wife is left leaning, she would be a labour voter if it weren't for the fact that Balls turns her stomach, and as for Ed... She says "how can anybody look at him and think he is a potential PM?"TheScreamingEagles said:
That interview reminded me why people on Balls' own side want to punch him.SquareRoot said:I have just watched Balls on Paxo. It seems he is as deluded as ever claiming that the Govt had failed to get the deficit down.. and he thinks he should be the next Cof the E. Of course he failed to acknowledge that it was Labours fault we were in the mess we found ourselves. He's been having too many piano lessons
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Not really wanting to derail a thread completely - but reading this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25926572 - what can be done to persuade the ASA that they are totally wrong / is there any recourse to appeal to someone higher up?0
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Well England's chances of winning this match have just collapsed like the Carthaginians at Zama0
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It means absolutely nothing, countries decide who votes in their national elections themselves. If Ireland had to grant every Irish person living in the EU an equal vote in general elections its democratic structures would fall apart as Sinn Féin was given the balance of power against the wishes of people who actually live in the Republic.edmundintokyo said:EU Commission issuing "guidance" about countries like the UK disfranchising citizens who move around the EU.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-77_en.htm
Does this mean anything practical or is it just somebody muttering to themselves?
What next, the EU Commission complains that the UK and other countries dont allow its citizens to vote for its head of state?0
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