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I doubt if the intelligent ones will give a monkeys.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights
If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.0 -
Decalre the referendum invalidCharles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
If life was only about relying upon the intelligent I am sure things would be quite different.MikeSmithson said:
I doubt if the intelligent ones will give a monkeys.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights
If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.0 -
That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passportTheScreamingEagles said:
He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.Charles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
Whatever dudeMikeSmithson said:
Decalre the referendum invalidCharles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
I would have thought so, but that isn’t what is reported and this is mrs May we are talking about.not_on_fire said:
Almost certainly will apply to local elections only, as present.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights
If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.0 -
I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.kle4 said:
Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.DavidL said:The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...
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Maybe she wants to enfranchise EU citizens for the second referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would have thought so, but that isn’t what is reported and this is mrs May we are talking about.not_on_fire said:
Almost certainly will apply to local elections only, as present.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights
If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?0 -
I don't think Global Green Community fits me very well either.DavidL said:
I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.kle4 said:
Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.DavidL said:The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...
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Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?0 -
The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.0 -
You can be a sole national with no passport so why not?Charles said:
That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passportTheScreamingEagles said:
He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.Charles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
God help us. If May won that we would be back to the voting booths again.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
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I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.
I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn andMark Drakefordwhoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.0 -
On a very small sample I am not sure how useful those tribes are going to be.Foxy said:
I don't think Global Green Community fits me very well either.DavidL said:
I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.kle4 said:
Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.DavidL said:The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...
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Contra the idea of overbearing homogeneity imposed by the EU, I think member states can have different rules for dual citizenship, ie UK permits it, I think Spain has conditions.Charles said:
That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passportTheScreamingEagles said:
He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.Charles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
Measured middle for me.0
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We are of the same mind. What tribe were you?ydoethur said:
I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.
I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn andMark Drakefordwhoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.0 -
Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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I don't do tribes. I am fully Indpendent!DavidL said:
We are of the same mind. What tribe were you?ydoethur said:
I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not reallyDeClare said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674
This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.
This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.
I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn andMark Drakefordwhoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.0 -
I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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No deal will allow them to militarily take the islands? How else will they get them?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?0
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Unless and until they have a plane that can come close to matching the Euro fighter I am not sure this is going to matter too much.TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
https://twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/10555556960984555580 -
Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...
Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/
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It's massive inflation, plus a budget crisis, plus rioting:ydoethur said:
I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
https://twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/clashes-as-argentine-congress-debates-budget-amid-crisis-1.4148466
Knew here had to some epic clusterfuck they were trying to distract attention from.0 -
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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Hmm, I personally think little change. Mainly because I struggle to make sense of where the polling is at in any case. I think Labour have been shifting toward that position for some time, it seems clear that is what Starmer is trying to do, and if it becomes support the government's crappy deal or no deal, they could claim a third way of Remain, though it seems like they would at least pretend to be all things for a bit longer, since they could use the 'we'll keep all options on the table, but we would negotiate better' argument.solarflare said:It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?
So I think they already have a lot of the remain vote sewn up, and could gain a few more if they are unambiguous about it, while losing a few of the leavers if it is too obvious that they are now for remain.
It won't make much sense for there to be little change in that situation, but as I say I don't think the numbers at present make any sense either.0 -
I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.FrancisUrquhart said:Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...
Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/0 -
What is he on about? The split already existed, clearly, hence the very close vote, so a hardening wrong vs right in the years after doesn't create a new divide.TheScreamingEagles said:hts://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1055563066862125057
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Thank goodness for the..er..Euro fighter, eh?DavidL said:
Unless and until they have a plane that can come close to matching the Euro fighter I am not sure this is going to matter too much.TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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He is having another exotic spresm...DavidL said:
I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.FrancisUrquhart said:Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...
Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/0 -
Argentina can bugger up our WTO applications, just like Russia and Moldova.RobD said:
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
So they may stop playing silly buggers at the WTO if we cede control of the Malvinas.0 -
And apparently all their semi modern planes are grounded for lack of parts. http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=51399ydoethur said:
It's massive inflation, plus a budget crisis, plus rioting:ydoethur said:
I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
https://twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/clashes-as-argentine-congress-debates-budget-amid-crisis-1.4148466
Knew here had to some epic clusterfuck they were trying to distract attention from.0 -
They would lose many of their traditional working class voters mainly in the north of England but also in places like Barking and Dagenham to a revived UKIP.solarflare said:It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?
Remain Tories and Lib/Dems wouldn't swing to Labour in sufficient numbers to counteract that because they find Corbyn too extreme.
So their poll share would fall unless they can replace Corbyn with a Blairite type figure, that would attract voters on the right and although it would infuriate those on the left, they really have nowhere else to go.0 -
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If only Project Fear had thought of that before the referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:
He is having another exotic spresm...DavidL said:
I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.FrancisUrquhart said:Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...
Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/0 -
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I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/10550523180880158720 -
I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.RobD said:
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
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He's often commented on Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.RobD said:
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
https://twitter.com/williamshatner/status/9541197500486615040 -
That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
Makes a change from Brexit Every...Single...Day...Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
Lol. Very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's often commented on Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.RobD said:
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
https://twitter.com/williamshatner/status/9541197500486615040 -
Foxy said:
Brexit, and not backing the #peoplesvote.Big_G_NorthWales said:The year long decline of Corbyn's popularity among 18-24 year olds is really something. From 65% in Summer 2017 to 35% today. (via @daverich1). https://t.co/SBspZ6Uy6B
The kids should trust Jeremy The Wise to act in their best interests.
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Late to the party but Global Green Community for me.
Struggling somewhat to understand the differences between quite a few of the clan definitions many of which appear to be broadly centre-right to me. Where are the centre-left clans?0 -
Who is this guy you keep talking about?DavidL said:
If only Project Fear had thought of that before the referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:
He is having another exotic spresm...DavidL said:
I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.FrancisUrquhart said:Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...
Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/0 -
Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons.Casino_Royale said:
Lol. Very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's often commented on Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.RobD said:
What has one got to do with the other?TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
https://twitter.com/williamshatner/status/954119750048661504
Useless fact, George Takei was named after George VI.0 -
How about this year we talk about whether the poppies should go back or not and whether the clocks are red or white?Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
Good argument for not changing the clocks back.Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.0 -
Do tell.TheScreamingEagles said:Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..
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I got Notting Hill Society.
Which should please TSE, if no-one else.0 -
No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.Benpointer said:
Good argument for not changing the clocks back.Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/
“Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.”0 -
Like.solarflare said:
How about this year we talk about whether the poppies should go back or not and whether the clocks are red or white?Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.Theuniondivvie said:
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
He's self aware.0 -
Whatever. Personally, I like the long light summer evenings.DeClare said:
No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.Benpointer said:
Good argument for not changing the clocks back.Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.0 -
I enjoy Dave Podmore on Radio 4 (& originally in the Graun), but I always assumed it was based on a very large slice of reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.Theuniondivvie said:
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
He's self aware.0 -
Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.viewcode said:
Do tell.TheScreamingEagles said:Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..
Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.
As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.
Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.
https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp0 -
Anyone posting a link to the Metro front page will be banned, I don't ever need to see that image again.0
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Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/TheScreamingEagles said:
An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.Theuniondivvie said:
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
He's self aware.0 -
Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?0
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Indeed, it was very witty. Not sure how I missed it first time but I'm glad I caught the repeat.Cyclefree said:Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/
“Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.” 0 -
If only there was a name for this kind of thing...perhaps Inaccurate News or something...Stereotomy said:
That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/TheScreamingEagles said:
An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.Theuniondivvie said:
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
He's self aware.
I noticed that the French language Nazi department have banned Donald's favourite saying.0 -
It’s been a long day. Took me a while to get therePhilip_Thompson said:
You can be a sole national with no passport so why not?Charles said:
That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passportTheScreamingEagles said:
He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.Charles said:
As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?Floater said:I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation
No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.
So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish
He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.
He has just got his British passport - just in case.0 -
What number of Labour MPs are so terrified by the prospect of a Corbyn Govt that they would see supporting a deal (against the Labour whip) as the best way of avoiding that?archer101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
AhStereotomy said:
That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/TheScreamingEagles said:
An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.Theuniondivvie said:
If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:A pitch perfect example of the genre.
https://twitter.com/AccidentalP/status/1055052318088015872
I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
He's self aware.0 -
The Telegraph is a crap newspaperTheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay
https://twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558
“Enhance its push for its claim” is not equal To “enhance its claims”0 -
Its over for ERGarcher101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
You remember when Jezza tried his PR stunt with the odd ball Jewish group, Jewdas....well some of their members have some very interesting things to say.
https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/10553631967632056320 -
In response to @rpjs fpt:
“I've done interviewing many times in my current and previous jobs and I just assume the CV that HR/recruitment has sent me has been checked out. I wonder if they are though!”
I would never assume that. In my experience they aren’t. And there is lots more due diligence done after an offer is made, which is not checked properly, where discrepancies are not escalated etc. And finally, interviews are often not searching enough.
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Well yes, those who refuse to learn from history and all that ...alex. said:Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?
A lot of people always seem to think 'this time will be different' without offering a reason why. Especially those on the extremes.0 -
Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.0
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Me too.Casino_Royale said:I got Notting Hill Society.
Which should please TSE, if no-one else.
We're all posh boys now, it seems 0 -
So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.MarqueeMark said:Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
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Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.archer101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
There is an uncomfortable connection here, discussed in this prescient article in Haaretz:Cyclefree said:Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/
“Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.”
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-not-just-weinstein-the-year-metoo-rocked-and-shocked-the-jewish-world-1.64809940 -
Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.MarqueeMark said:Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
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Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. You learn something new every day.TheScreamingEagles said:
Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.viewcode said:
Do tell.TheScreamingEagles said:Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..
Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.
As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.
Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.
https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp0 -
The Telegraph has lost its way and is Boris mouthpiece.ralphmalph said:
Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.archer101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
I rather agree. But pacifism is an honourable position and people who maintained it even in the 30s were being brave - wrong in my opinion, but brave. I also don't think people should be hassled over a decision to wear it now: they're simply expressing a viewpoint in an extremely quiet and harmless way..alex. said:Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?
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Rami Malek is frighteningly like Freddie Mercury.Benpointer said:
Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.MarqueeMark said:Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
He deserves an Oscar.0 -
Yes, I have been saying for a week or two that the Cabinet will oust May. Even Gove now seems to be realising that May is trying to sign agreements that will be permanent and remove any ability to ‘improve’ Brexit later.ralphmalph said:
Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.archer101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
BTW I hope the people cheering on May’s ‘deal’ realise that she is not even negotiating with Barnier at the moment. Ridiculous behaviour from the Remainers running our Government.0 -
I do wonder whether those eminent Parliamentarians so willing to name Philip Green will be equally willing to name - for our benefit and that of staff in Parliament - the names of those MPs and Commons staff who have been accused of sexual harassment and bullying.
I mean, if Green is to be named, then the same rule should apply to MPs. They wouldn’t like us to think that they are using their power to keep their secrets safe, would they?0 -
Post of the day.Cyclefree said:I do wonder whether those eminent Parliamentarians so willing to name Philip Green will be equally willing to name - for our benefit and that of staff in Parliament - the names of those MPs and Commons staff who have been accused of sexual harassment and bullying.
I mean, if Green is to be named, then the same rule should apply to MPs. They wouldn’t like us to think that they are using their power to keep their secrets safe, would they?0 -
Time to go
Have a round trip to Heathrow tomorrow and saturday to pick up my eldest son coming home from Vancouver for his birthday (52)
Have a relaxing evening everyone
Good night folks
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As a geek who attended quite a few Trek conventions in the late 1990s meeting and chatting with the cast members was illuminating.viewcode said:
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. You learn something new every day.TheScreamingEagles said:
Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.viewcode said:
Do tell.TheScreamingEagles said:Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..
Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.
As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.
Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.
https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp
James Doohan lost a finger on D-Day serving with the Canadians on Juno Beach.
He also invented the Klingon language as he loved accents and dialects.
DeForest Kelly was touched by the sheer number of people who wrote him letters telling him they became Doctors because of him/McCoy, it was in the thousands.
Ditto James Doohan and people who became engineers.0 -
They are just about to get the Cabinet to declare no deal. I think they are doing ok!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Its over for ERGarcher101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.0 -
I really can't work out why the reviews have been so snippy. I think they offer as much insight as the reviews of Bohemian Rhapsody itself in the film, which mostly thought it a load of toss. Presumably still plenty of those reviewers still alive, seeing the film and cringing at how badly wrong they got it...Benpointer said:
Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.MarqueeMark said:Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
Go see it. You'll enjoy it. Or come back and bollock me for a dodgy review.....0 -
Then why not act already?archer101au said:
Yes, I have been saying for a week or two that the Cabinet will oust May. Even Gove now seems to be realising that May is trying to sign agreements that will be permanent and remove any ability to ‘improve’ Brexit later.ralphmalph said:
Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.archer101au said:
Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no dealOchEye said:
Oh come on, they are politicians...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe they see it in the national interestOchEye said:
Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me
https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P
The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
BTW I hope the people cheering on May’s ‘deal’ realise that she is not even negotiating with Barnier at the moment. Ridiculous behaviour from the Remainers running our Government.
I gave up on May a long time ago, but then I would have acted a long time ago. Never has Macbeth's maxim been more apt: "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly"
The longer the cabinet and other's wait the less plausible any alternative deal becomes.0 -
I did like the bit in the film when they posted the original (unfavourable) reviews of the song Bohemian Rhapsody.MarqueeMark said:
I really can't work out why the reviews have been so snippy. I think they offer as much insight as the reviews of Bohemian Rhapsody itself in the film, which mostly thought it a load of toss. Presumably still plenty of those reviewers still alive, seeing the film and cringing at how badly wrong they got it...Benpointer said:
Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.MarqueeMark said:Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
Go see it. You'll enjoy it. Or come back and bollock me for a dodgy review.....0 -
Set your alarm clock one hour earlier and don't mess with a perfectly good clock system that has midday in the middle of the day.Benpointer said:
Whatever. Personally, I like the long light summer evenings.DeClare said:
No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.Benpointer said:
Good argument for not changing the clocks back.Casino_Royale said:That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.
Every. Single. Year.
Edit: With apologies for boring Casino_Royale with this tedium.0 -
The ERG represent barely more than 50 Tory MPs, they do not have the numbers to topple May0
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Global Green. Sounds about right. Citizen of everywhere, you might say.RobD said:
Notting Hill (Tory) Society, apparently.kle4 said:I see the Indy has up a questionnaire designed to find people's 'value clan' designed by BMG research, another in a long line of attempts to categorize people. I'm down as 'The Measured Middle', but I feel like I might bias the results somewhat as even though I did not look to see what the 'clans' were beforehand, that is kind of where I would have liked to have ended up, so may have self selected somewhat.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-political-clan-test-research-uk-general-election-right-wing-left-bmg-a8599586.html
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