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I’ve never found him funny. Too sentimental and forced for me. Laurel and Hardy still make me laugh though.kle4 said:
I've never actually seen any Charlie Chaplin - is his stuff still actually funny, or is it one of those things that has not aged well, like the first seasons of The Simpsons?stodge said:Morning all
I quite like the idea of Charlie Chaplin so we can all think of £50 notes as "funny money".0 -
I'm not angry, just disappointed.Ishmael_Z said:
Your attacks on puce faced gammons would work better if you didn't sound so puce faced about everything yourself.grabcocque said:
Ah, good old p-hacking. The academic fraud of choice of the true charlatan academic or the tenured old shitbag who just wants to troll Twitter until he retires.TheScreamingEagles said:University of Essex? LOL, might as well gone for another dump like Oxford.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1052496703750893569
Anyway, I didn't read the "study" but just imagine having the fucking gall to claim you have anything useful to deduce from a sample size of 14.
Calling it p-hacking is to frankly oversell quite how zero-effort this particular academic fraud is.0 -
You said: "We are all proud the British Government did so much to throw away our lead in computing -- persecuting Turing, smashing up the Colossus, suppressing public key encryption (which is the foundation of web commerce)."DecrepitJohnL said:
I am right and if anyone else on pb cares, they can see for themselves.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, you're changing your position - you're now saying 'most of'. And a couple *were* retained for over a decade.DecrepitJohnL said:Most of the Colossus machines were quite literally smashed up on Churchill's direct orders. I do not think that claim is controversial. A couple were said to have been retained by GCHQ for espionage purposes.
But remember:
*) Colossus's tech was old and a dead-end. Many of the people involved went on to work on its immediate successors in the private sector (e.g. Newman et al). Some Colossus parts even went with him to Manchester. Hence the government contributed to our early lead in privaste-sector computing.
*) The tech was changing so rapidly that Colossus rapidly became outdated.
*) There was less need for decryption once Germany and Japan had been defeated. WHy keep 12 machines?
You are utterly wrong.
An interesting question is what replaced Colossus at GCHQ. I've never read what computers they used after - and if the two Colossus's left were kept for training, what they training *for*?
As I've shown, none of that did anything to 'throw away our lead in computing."
You are wrong in fact, and in conclusion.
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As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
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Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC
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Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.0 -
Me too, on cracked.com IIRC.rottenborough said:
This is old news surely? I'm sure I read this years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:University of Essex? LOL, might as well gone for another dump like Oxford.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1052496703750893569
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)grabcocque said:
Electorate: We demand this impossible thingwilliamglenn said:
Voting for Brexit, then watching the political class run around like headless chickens for 2 years before telling them to forget it could be thought of as the ultimate way to teach them a lesson.grabcocque said:
You know what annoys me about a PV? It's the implicit assumption that the political class may simply declare themselves unable to do their job, and demand we rescue them from their ignominy.TOPPING said:I don't think there should be another referendum. People change their minds all the time and there is no mid-term GE following any particular set of polls against the prevailing status quo.
It is not the electorate's job to save the government from the holes they have dug for themselves. It is the electorate's job to dig holes and then push governments in.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Of course, impossible thing MEANS impossible thing.
Reality: This is impossible
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. Impossible thing means impossible thing means impossible thing
Reality: Nope, still impossible.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. The ball is in reality's court.
Reality: You know, maybe there's no point talking to you.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hello?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Is this thing on?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: ...
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hey electorate, have you got a second?0 -
I wonder if Big_G has any comment to make?
"A man had his car seized and destroyed while he was in hospital after "maladministration" by a council ... The owner of the BMW, referred to as Mr G, paid £14,000 for the British racing green car in 2004 and spent £2,500 on a new engine and braking system."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-458791540 -
Thanks. Have replied.tlg86 said:
PM for you.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I see an Hitachi's Class 802 has caused chaos outside Paddington this morning.
Hitachi rail really aren't having a very good year ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45885867
(This might be slightly unfair to Hitachi if NR's mucked up. But I'd bet on Hitachi given the fact they can't seem to design trains to spec...)0 -
Händel, to appease the Germans (they claim "unser Shakespear" as theirs).Cyclefree said:
I’ve always found him unreadable and thought him one of those authors who was much admired but never actually read.AlastairMeeks said:How about Joseph Conrad? A great writer, unquestionably of the first rank, and a nod towards the many contributions that immigrants have made to this country.
If a scientist is called for, James Clerk Maxwell would be a great choice.
Handel would be my choice. A great musician and also a nod to the contribution of immigrants.0 -
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)
That fact that everybody except May can see this is the primary causal nexus of the tragicomic farce unfolding this week.0 -
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC0 -
Why is it normally smoked without a filter? I am not a smoker (of either) but I assume because its generally rolled up and not pre-manufactured. I would assume legally manufactured and distributed cannabis cigarettes might include a filter?DavidL said:
Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.0 -
Most notable in that story for me is that the Council's own investigation into the complaint must have cleared them, since it ended up going to the Ombudsman, so not content with cocking up the council either couldn't even tell it had cocked up or tried to cover up it had cocked up.Beverley_C said:I wonder if Big_G has any comment to make?
"A man had his car seized and destroyed while he was in hospital after "maladministration" by a council ... The owner of the BMW, referred to as Mr G, paid £14,000 for the British racing green car in 2004 and spent £2,500 on a new engine and braking system."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45879154
I may be wrong, but Mr G does not strike me as a flashy car driver.0 -
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
copeland et al in the book 'colossus' say two survived and moved to cheltnham. the final one is believed to have stopped running in 1960.DecrepitJohnL said:
I am right and if anyone else on pb cares, they can see for themselves.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, you're changing your position - you're now saying 'most of'. And a couple *were* retained for over a decade.DecrepitJohnL said:Most of the Colossus machines were quite literally smashed up on Churchill's direct orders. I do not think that claim is controversial. A couple were said to have been retained by GCHQ for espionage purposes.
But remember:
*) Colossus's tech was old and a dead-end. Many of the people involved went on to work on its immediate successors in the private sector (e.g. Newman et al). Some Colossus parts even went with him to Manchester. Hence the government contributed to our early lead in privaste-sector computing.
*) The tech was changing so rapidly that Colossus rapidly became outdated.
*) There was less need for decryption once Germany and Japan had been defeated. WHy keep 12 machines?
You are utterly wrong.
An interesting question is what replaced Colossus at GCHQ. I've never read what computers they used after - and if the two Colossus's left were kept for training, what they training *for*?0 -
I guess volume would be the main factor. While there may be folk that consume 40 blunts a day 7 days a week, I'd guess that they're very much in the minority of dope smokers.DavidL said:
Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.0 -
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
I don’t dislike him, but what did he do other than not be Gordon Brown or a Tory on the first debate? That show is responsible for everything that followed, and it turns out he was useless.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC0 -
Not impossible, just a very bad idea sold as an easy good idea.kle4 said:
Me too, on cracked.com IIRC.rottenborough said:
This is old news surely? I'm sure I read this years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:University of Essex? LOL, might as well gone for another dump like Oxford.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1052496703750893569
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)grabcocque said:
Electorate: We demand this impossible thingwilliamglenn said:
Voting for Brexit, then watching the political class run around like headless chickens for 2 years before telling them to forget it could be thought of as the ultimate way to teach them a lesson.grabcocque said:
You know what annoys me about a PV? It's the implicit assumption that the political class may simply declare themselves unable to do their job, and demand we rescue them from their ignominy.TOPPING said:I don't think there should be another referendum. People change their minds all the time and there is no mid-term GE following any particular set of polls against the prevailing status quo.
It is not the electorate's job to save the government from the holes they have dug for themselves. It is the electorate's job to dig holes and then push governments in.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Of course, impossible thing MEANS impossible thing.
Reality: This is impossible
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. Impossible thing means impossible thing means impossible thing
Reality: Nope, still impossible.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. The ball is in reality's court.
Reality: You know, maybe there's no point talking to you.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hello?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Is this thing on?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: ...
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hey electorate, have you got a second?0 -
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
That's the benefit of 20/20 or even 20/18 hindsight. Did anyone really have any idea how any migrants would come to the UK in 2004? The Civil Service at the time thought a few thousand at most. They were wrong - the problem is in our system the Minister who takes the advice is accountable for its success or failure not the civil servant who formulated the advice in the first place.Pulpstar said:Blair's part in Brexit verges on cultural tragedy, not using the very tools the EU itself gave us to give the simplest veneer and varnish of control to our immigration policy in the early 2000s was probably the biggest driver of the leave vote !
At the time the economy was moving well and remembering the disaster of the Lawson boom which was undermined by a shortage of labour which triggered wage inflation, the option of relieving that pressure via the importing of a small amount of cheap skilled foreign labour must have looked attractive.
As with many decisions which can be ridiculed with hindsight, at the time it didn't seem a bad idea though the experience of the depopulation of the former GDR after 1990 should have sounded an alarm or two but migration within a country and migration across hundreds of miles might not have been considered similar. The truth is pe0ople have always gone to the money.
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Well, reasonable people can hold different views on how bad an idea it was, but yes it was sold as an easy idea and that was wrong. But the joke was it, generally, was impossible, when only people's expectations of it are impossible.logical_song said:
Not impossible, just a very bad idea sold as an easy good idea.kle4 said:
Me too, on cracked.com IIRC.rottenborough said:
This is old news surely? I'm sure I read this years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:University of Essex? LOL, might as well gone for another dump like Oxford.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1052496703750893569
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)grabcocque said:
Electorate: We demand this impossible thingwilliamglenn said:
Voting for Brexit, then watching the political class run around like headless chickens for 2 years before telling them to forget it could be thought of as the ultimate way to teach them a lesson.grabcocque said:
You know what annoys me about a PV? It's the implicit assumption that the political class may simply declare themselves unable to do their job, and demand we rescue them from their ignominy.TOPPING said:I don't think there should be another referendum. People change their minds all the time and there is no mid-term GE following any particular set of polls against the prevailing status quo.
It is not the electorate's job to save the government from the holes they have dug for themselves. It is the electorate's job to dig holes and then push governments in.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Of course, impossible thing MEANS impossible thing.
Reality: This is impossible
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. Impossible thing means impossible thing means impossible thing
Reality: Nope, still impossible.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed. The ball is in reality's court.
Reality: You know, maybe there's no point talking to you.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Nothing has changed.
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hello?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Is this thing on?
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: ...
Unwisely-ingratiating PM: Hey electorate, have you got a second?0 -
Yes I wondered about that. Anyone taking cannabis 40 times a day is going to have to be very fortunate to worry about cancer. Still, the lack of filters in reefers would make a big difference.Theuniondivvie said:
I guess volume would be the main factor. While there may be folk that consume 40 blunts a day 7 days a week, I'd guess that they're very much in the minority of dope smokers.DavidL said:
Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.0 -
He did get a bit worked up last week about cars after someone told him he should not own a car. As I recall he mentioned that he had been in hospital recently.kle4 said:
Most notable in that story for me is that the Council's own investigation into the complaint must have cleared them, since it ended up going to the Ombudsman, so not content with cocking up the council either couldn't even tell it had cocked up or tried to cover up it had cocked up.Beverley_C said:I wonder if Big_G has any comment to make?
"A man had his car seized and destroyed while he was in hospital after "maladministration" by a council ... The owner of the BMW, referred to as Mr G, paid £14,000 for the British racing green car in 2004 and spent £2,500 on a new engine and braking system."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45879154
I may be wrong, but Mr G does not strike me as a flashy car driver.
Just a coincidence. Obviously....
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By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
Can I just remind some of the less intelligent of our political journalists that there's no such thing as being "close to a deal"?
The expression "nothing is agreed till everything is agreed" exists for a fucking reason.
The draft text is "85% agreed".
All that remains is to agree the other 85%.
And then the final 85%.0 -
O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?0 -
It's not magic. Besides we had the debate at the time and were warned (very vocally) by the government, opposition, grandees like Blair et al, business groups etc that Brexit would come at a cost. So what's new?grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."0 -
Translation: We knew we'd not get much Cricket in, but we have to at least pretend the matches will go ahead.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?0 -
And tax evaders running cash businesses.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
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You can get filters for roll ups but it's a hell of a faff. I'm not sure if the cardboard roach in the average joint has any diluting qualities.Philip_Thompson said:
Why is it normally smoked without a filter? I am not a smoker (of either) but I assume because its generally rolled up and not pre-manufactured. I would assume legally manufactured and distributed cannabis cigarettes might include a filter?DavidL said:
Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.0 -
Too many still promising it now of course.grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
Yes, Brexit is not simply a synonym for leaving the EU. Brexit means Brexit.grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
Indeed. So many deserving causes. I think Arthur Daley should be given serious consideration.MaxPB said:
And tax evaders running cash businesses.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
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That depends how you use it.williamglenn said:
Yes, Brexit is not simply a synonym for leaving the EU.grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)
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That's my point. Currently you only get roll ups because its illegal.Theuniondivvie said:
You can get filters for roll ups but it's a hell of a faff. I'm not sure if the cardboard roach in the average joint has any diluting qualities.Philip_Thompson said:
Why is it normally smoked without a filter? I am not a smoker (of either) but I assume because its generally rolled up and not pre-manufactured. I would assume legally manufactured and distributed cannabis cigarettes might include a filter?DavidL said:
Has any serious research been done about the carcinogenic effect of cannabis? I struggle to see why it should be less carcinogenic than tobacco, especially as it is normally smoked without a filter.AndyJS said:Does anyone else think there's something slightly strange about a culture or country which simultaneously attempts to wipe out tobacco smoking while enthusiastically legalising cannabis smoking?
Obviously the main focus has been on the mental health aspects of usage, especially for teenage boys, but I do wonder if the other effects are being overlooked.
If its legalised then presumably you might be able to buy pre-rolled and manufactured stuff just like buying a packet of Benson and Hedges or comparable. In which case quality issues like filters etc might be addressed. Isn't that part of the logic of legalisation?
Again IANAE.0 -
You could take a trip out to Muirhouse and wave bundles of £50 notes at the locals.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
Blow up the Parliament Building.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
Alan Turing is now the 8/1 favourite with Ladbrokes.
My tips and threads move markets.0 -
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."0 -
I'm planning to do this during my three day romantic weekend stay in February, as well as visit the castle.Theuniondivvie said:
You could take a trip out to Muirhouse and wave bundles of £50 notes at the locals.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
I think it's obvious what should be on the £50
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Wasn’t even majoritarian.JohnRussell said:
The people you cited were responsible for Brexit. They rammed through the majoritarian extremism of mass immigration without consensus, and when it was sought via the referendum, the truth emerged that it there was noneAlastairMeeks said:I really have unleashed the Two Minutes Hate with that last question.
As the Leave project founders on the rock of reality, you would have thought that it might be time for Leavers to reflect on how they might have sought to build a consensus rather than ram through majoritarian extremism. But it seems that time has yet to arrive.
It was niche extremism of the globalist/no borders/easy welfare kind.
Corporatist Europhile Welfarism was a successful political model in the boom time that followed the Cold War. But I don’t think it ever had a majority.
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What about Jade Goody (pbuh) racially abusing Shilpa Shetty for the fifty?0
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Much as I'd like the idea, Mrs. Thatcher would be far too contentious.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nelson would be a good choice.
Edit: Actually, make it Sir Winston Churchill, given how much Woke Americans hate him.0 -
More seriously the 'Rip it Up, The Story of Scottish Pop' show at the National Museum of Scotland is worth a look.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm planning to do this during my three day romantic weekend stay in February, as well as visit the castle.Theuniondivvie said:
You could take a trip out to Muirhouse and wave bundles of £50 notes at the locals.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
Ta.Theuniondivvie said:
More seriously the 'Rip it Up, The Story of Scottish Pop' show at the National Museum of Scotland is worth a look.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm planning to do this during my three day romantic weekend stay in February, as well as visit the castle.Theuniondivvie said:
You could take a trip out to Muirhouse and wave bundles of £50 notes at the locals.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is someone to do in Edinburgh during the day on the 5th of November?DavidL said:
The English don't have £100 notes? Didn't know that.Theuniondivvie said:
As ever, Scots way ahead of the game with £100 notes. The dealers have never had it so good, tragically.DavidL said:
Don't you care about the backs of our hard pressed drug dealers? £100k in £20 notes is heavy and bulky. I am sure a new £50 note will be much appreciated.kle4 said:Do they even have many £50s in circulation anymore? Feels like any large purchase would be by card for most.
Our drug problem is beyond tragic in so many ways.0 -
Yes, and pity Hammond wbo has to budget for 65,000,000 free unicorns.Philip_Thompson said:
It's not magic. Besides we had the debate at the time and were warned (very vocally) by the government, opposition, grandees like Blair et al, business groups etc that Brexit would come at a cost. So what's new?grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?0 -
Nelson? Fuel to the fireSean_F said:
Much as I'd like the idea, Mrs. Thatcher would be far too contentious.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nelson would be a good choice.
Edit: Actually, make it Sir Winston Churchill, given how much Woke Americans hate him.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery0 -
If Hammond were to stand up at the budget and promise 65,000,000 free unicorns Corbyn would consider it an outrage that we are only getting one free unicorn each and pledge 3 free unicorns to everyone.Fenman said:
Yes, and pity Hammond wbo has to budget for 65,000,000 free unicorns.Philip_Thompson said:
It's not magic. Besides we had the debate at the time and were warned (very vocally) by the government, opposition, grandees like Blair et al, business groups etc that Brexit would come at a cost. So what's new?grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0 -
All the betterkle4 said:
Nelson? Fuel to the fireSean_F said:
Much as I'd like the idea, Mrs. Thatcher would be far too contentious.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nelson would be a good choice.
Edit: Actually, make it Sir Winston Churchill, given how much Woke Americans hate him.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery0 -
Mr. kle4, Nelson on notes would be slapping snowflakes across the face with the large haddock of common sense 0
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DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
Cricket tour of Sri Lanka during the monsoon season?
Who thought that was a good idea?0 -
There’s been an explosion at a college in Crimea that was first reported as a gas explosion but Interfax is now saying was a bomb.0
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He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC0 -
He's been on the fiver for two years.....Sean_F said:
Actually, make it Sir Winston Churchill, given how much Woke Americans hate him.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Suggestion: whenever we put a problematic person on a banknote, the Queen on the other side should be making a face of stern disapproval, perhaps holding a sign saying "We are not amused by slavery/genocide/whatever"0
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Inflation down by more than expected to 2.4%: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45886791
Means the 3.1% increase in wages was even further ahead in real terms than previously thought.
Despite Brexit, no doubt.0 -
How about putting Edward Longshanks and his motto on the new £50 note, especially if Scotland votes to secede.0
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As I pointed out before the flip side of this should have the DUP voting in spadesCarlottaVance said:
if the trap is to keep the UK in the EU via an Ireland border trap, then a United Ireland cant happen,. The moment NI goes so does the UK so the EU have to tell the paddies to desist.
Surprised Arlene isnt wrapping this up in legalities for ever.0 -
And are you not going to be wasting your time in Germany by then? We have yet to choose our fixtures for next year but I always like to get an ODI and a couple of days of a test.TheScreamingEagles said:
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?0 -
I agree and the coalition was a good governmentFenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC0 -
Considerable cost to himself?Fenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC
He was elevated from obscure third party politician who only gets attention when the media needs to show the third party to being the most meaningful deputy Prime Minister that post has ever had, key part of the 'quad' that authorised all government actions, member of the cabinet, ministerial limo, pay increase and attention that has allowed him to generate personal wealth from public speaking etc afterwards.
He may have cost his party, he may have cost his colleagues their jobs, but not himself.0 -
I'm definitely going to the Headingley Test next August, and the odd WC match.DavidL said:
And are you not going to be wasting your time in Germany by then? We have yet to choose our fixtures for next year but I always like to get an ODI and a couple of days of a test.TheScreamingEagles said:
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?0 -
I agree. One of the many positives of the Coalition government is that it never became really obvious how critical the situation was.Fenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC0 -
Your tips keep Shadsy in cloverTheScreamingEagles said:Alan Turing is now the 8/1 favourite with Ladbrokes.
My tips and threads move markets.0 -
Well my 33/1 tip on Amber Rudd as next out of cabinet and the 33/1 and 16/1 on Javid being her successor didn't.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Your tips keep Shadsy in cloverTheScreamingEagles said:Alan Turing is now the 8/1 favourite with Ladbrokes.
My tips and threads move markets.0 -
You're getting confused. We only just had the World Cup. The next event is the Euros in 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?0 -
Turing seems a good bet, Lovelace at 50/1 also seems very good value.
Picking Khan because that dimwit Dan Snow has started a campaign smacks of tokenism, and I don't expect The Bank of England to go down that route.0 -
Just seen this thread. A few comments - apologies if I'm duplicating others.
Don't back Attlee - politicians rarely feature. Churchill is the only PM ever to appear on a BoE banknote as such (Wellington doesn't count as his premierships were an incidental postscript to a military career). On the same basis, steer clear of other politicians.
That goes for Thatcher too, and while there'll probably be support for a woman to be on the £50 (which'd give a 2-2 balance across the four notes, both before and after Turner replaces Adam Smith on the £20), Thatcher is far too recent, as well as far too controversial.
The BoE have never chosen anyone who's been dead less than 50 years (Churchill has the shortest span from death through to appearing on a note: 51 years from 1965 to 2016), and only three have appeared within a century of their deaths (Nightingale and Elgar are the other two). On that basis, rule out Hawking too.
Engineers and scientists however are historically popular choices with the BoE. Of those on the list, Ada Lovelace ticks a lot of boxes. At 50/1, she's the best value there.
By contrast, worthy though the campaign for Noor Inayat Khan is, her contribution is notable much more for her background than her consequences: there were many other heroes and heorines of WW2, never mind other wars, and to award her to such a high accolade is, ultimately, an act of tokenism which should be resisted.0 -
I did Headingley twice last year and despite the very drunk dancing cow on the western terraces it was fun but I want to get back to the Oval. It's just the best place to watch cricket in England (Durham being second in my opinion).TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm definitely going to the Headingley Test next August, and the odd WC match.DavidL said:
And are you not going to be wasting your time in Germany by then? We have yet to choose our fixtures for next year but I always like to get an ODI and a couple of days of a test.TheScreamingEagles said:
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?0 -
Paddington Station closed since early this morning until at least lunchtime. No trains in or out including the Heathrow Express and passenger chaos and anger. Overhead line failures. Time to nationalise.
But , the fault is the nationalised Network Rail, not the train companies.0 -
The real world cupTOPPING said:
You're getting confused. We only just had the World Cup. The next event is the Euros in 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
The scheduling next summer really has annoyed me.DavidL said:
Well they are not getting much of a warm up. Looks like no play again today. The test matches are going to be a joke.TheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the next bit.DavidL said:O/T the ECB try to explain why they are trying to play cricket in Sri Lanaka's monsoon season:
"In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year," says @EnglandCricket. "The Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods."
Not much of an explanation is it?
"After hosting England, Sri Lanka spend the rest of the 18-19 season touring New Zealand, Australia & South Africa. They play their first match in New Zealand on Dec 8, which left very little wriggle room given our final Test in Sri Lanka finishes on Nov 29."
The Ashes following the World Cup.
Just how large do the ECB think my holiday allowance is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Cricket_World_Cup0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
How about putting Edward Longshanks and his motto on the new £50 note, especially if Scotland votes to secede.
With the motto "Edwardus Primus Rex, Malleus Scrotorum."0 -
Two of the last three to appear on a £50 were John Houblon and Matthew Boulton. being well-known doesn't seem to be that big a bar.rottenborough said:
Happy for that. Her contribution is less, although still very important. But as someone said down thread, not so many have heard of her.MaxPB said:
I'd rather they pick Ada Lovelace. If we go down the computing road, that is.rottenborough said:Logically, it should be Turing. No shadow of a doubt.
But I'm a computer science graduate, so probably biased.
Although, I'm not so sure why having heard of them makes a great deal of difference on the £50. Most people never see one.0 -
The Daily Mail seem to have Hetero and Homo reversed on the diagrams compared with the normal claim.rottenborough said:
This is old news surely? I'm sure I read this years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:University of Essex? LOL, might as well gone for another dump like Oxford.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/10524967037508935690 -
"Jeremy Corbyn facing claim he congratulated Leave campaign on 'good work' while publicly opposing Brexit"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-support-leave-campaign-brexit-remain-congratulate-claims-a8587181.html
Is anybody surprised?0 -
Incidentally, The Witcher 3's paid DLCs are, I think, half price in the UK until the end of today. Discovered by chance yesterday (not getting them myself, due to time constraints).0
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I agree that in joining the coalition he did the right thing and that government now seems like a golden age.Philip_Thompson said:
Considerable cost to himself?Fenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC
He was elevated from obscure third party politician who only gets attention when the media needs to show the third party to being the most meaningful deputy Prime Minister that post has ever had, key part of the 'quad' that authorised all government actions, member of the cabinet, ministerial limo, pay increase and attention that has allowed him to generate personal wealth from public speaking etc afterwards.
He may have cost his party, he may have cost his colleagues their jobs, but not himself.
But after he was humiliated in that debate on the EU by Farage why didn’t he and Cameron realise that they had to do more - very much more - if they were going to persuade people of the EU’s value to Britain? That was a red flag that all was not well and it seems to have been ignored. Sadly, complacency and hubris killed his and Cameron’s political careers.0 -
Miss Cyclefree, I suspect Cameron and Clegg had their own real life echo chambers on the EU. Odd, though, considering UKIP's rise.0
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Clegg urged Cammo in private not to do it, and was very aware of the risks. We got where we are the due to the internal strife within the Tories. And Cammo's hubris.Cyclefree said:
I agree that in joining the coalition he did the right thing and that government now seems like a golden age.Philip_Thompson said:
Considerable cost to himself?Fenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC
He was elevated from obscure third party politician who only gets attention when the media needs to show the third party to being the most meaningful deputy Prime Minister that post has ever had, key part of the 'quad' that authorised all government actions, member of the cabinet, ministerial limo, pay increase and attention that has allowed him to generate personal wealth from public speaking etc afterwards.
He may have cost his party, he may have cost his colleagues their jobs, but not himself.
But after he was humiliated in that debate on the EU by Farage why didn’t he and Cameron realise that they had to do more - very much more - if they were going to persuade people of the EU’s value to Britain? That was a red flag that all was not well and it seems to have been ignored. Sadly, complacency and hubris killed his and Cameron’s political careers.0 -
There is an interesting point buried in that thread. The threat to the DUP position isn't so much the presence of the EU--NI backstop as the absence of a UK-NI one. In other words the real threat to the NI status quo that benefits the DUP position isn't so much NI being tied into the EU as the UK diverging from it over time and without reference to Northern Ireland.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Ada Lovelace is the face of a campaign about women in STEM - she's probably better known now than she has been in a long timedavid_herdson said:
Two of the last three to appear on a £50 were John Houblon and Matthew Boulton. being well-known doesn't seem to be that big a bar.rottenborough said:
Happy for that. Her contribution is less, although still very important. But as someone said down thread, not so many have heard of her.MaxPB said:
I'd rather they pick Ada Lovelace. If we go down the computing road, that is.rottenborough said:Logically, it should be Turing. No shadow of a doubt.
But I'm a computer science graduate, so probably biased.
Although, I'm not so sure why having heard of them makes a great deal of difference on the £50. Most people never see one.0 -
By forming a coalition with the Conservatives, the Lib Dems (led by Clegg) steered the UK out of economic collapse so that we have the full employment and manageable deficit we have today. Of course the electorate normally fails to show gratitude (eg Churchchill kicked out post the war).Philip_Thompson said:
Considerable cost to himself?Fenman said:
He had the courage to put the nation's interests first at a time of tremendous economic dislocation at a considerable cost to himself and his party.AlastairMeeks said:
He was deputy Prime Minister for five years. Whether you like him or not, he is of importance.JohnRussell said:Nick Clegg... why is he considered of any importance rather than an abject failure?
He came across well on telly for an hour in Spring 2010, ok...
In 2011 he sold out his voters by reneging on his party's flagship policy, in 2014 he was bested by Nigel Farage in the Euro debate, in 2015 he led his party to near wipeout, in 2016 he played a prominent role in losing the referendum, then in 2017 he got booted out of Sheffield by the least impressive MP ever to take a seat in the HofC
He was elevated from obscure third party politician who only gets attention when the media needs to show the third party to being the most meaningful deputy Prime Minister that post has ever had, key part of the 'quad' that authorised all government actions, member of the cabinet, ministerial limo, pay increase and attention that has allowed him to generate personal wealth from public speaking etc afterwards.
He may have cost his party, he may have cost his colleagues their jobs, but not himself.0 -
What has Corbyn got on his lapel?0
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Mr. Z, hammer and sickle? An "I Heart Stalin" badge?0
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It may not be Network Rail's fault. It was an Hitachi Class 802, and Hitachi are having trouble with all their new trains in the UK. From brake and window problems with the 385's in Scotland, to the fact that the Azuma units on the ECML cannot operate due to signalling issues and physical safety issues (though the signalling issues are common with new stock).Big_G_NorthWales said:Paddington Station closed since early this morning until at least lunchtime. No trains in or out including the Heathrow Express and passenger chaos and anger. Overhead line failures. Time to nationalise.
But , the fault is the nationalised Network Rail, not the train companies.
E.g.: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/cover-story-azumas-on-hold-orr-suspends-approval-for-lner-ieps-yet-great-western-ieps-remain-in-use
It's a mess. The train were forced on TOC's by the DfT. I fail to see how renationalisation will fix that sort of governmental muck-up.0 -
"Downing Street confirms the PM will have three bilateral meetings in Brussels to make her case to key players before tonight’s dinner - Donald Tusk, Jean-Claude Juncker and Leo Varadkar."
That's three times the number opportunities for the tin-eared autist to provoke another Salzburg-style bully-ramming.
We are fucked.
May's "nothing has changed" on Friday after the EU put the boot in and walk away is going to be beautiful in a tragic, dadaist way.0 -
The Breast Cancer Awareness symbol.Ishmael_Z said:What has Corbyn got on his lapel?
Is Breast Cancer Awareness month.0 -
taTheScreamingEagles said:
The Breast Cancer Awareness symbol.Ishmael_Z said:What has Corbyn got on his lapel?
Is Breast Cancer Awareness month.0 -
Then after the election we would find it meant sharing our unicorn with over 20 million others....Philip_Thompson said:
If Hammond were to stand up at the budget and promise 65,000,000 free unicorns Corbyn would consider it an outrage that we are only getting one free unicorn each and pledge 3 free unicorns to everyone.Fenman said:
Yes, and pity Hammond wbo has to budget for 65,000,000 free unicorns.Philip_Thompson said:
It's not magic. Besides we had the debate at the time and were warned (very vocally) by the government, opposition, grandees like Blair et al, business groups etc that Brexit would come at a cost. So what's new?grabcocque said:
By Brexit I mean the cake Brexit. The "all the benefits, zero cost" magic Brexit.kle4 said:
That's true, but it doesn't make Brexit impossible.grabcocque said:
I think it's been obvious to everybody (modulo Tessie M) that the most the UK government can possibly offer is nowhere near the minimum the EU will accept.kle4 said:
Amusing, but there's nothing impossible about Brexit, only Brexit without any cost, which of course too many unwisely promised and too many unwisely believed. But Brexit itself is not impossible, even if a deal is very hard (on current parliamentary numbers at least - a moderate majority would likely have only small problems getting something through, but that is not the world we live in)0
