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Insert sustainable here, and your post is bollocks.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
ha ha - what a comedianDecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
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I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!0 -
Comres has Labour 1% ahead.SeanT said:
These are terrible polls for Labour. Dire.Scott_P said:
It is hard to imagine any way the Tories could be WORSE as a governing party: constant infighting, ministers resigning weekly, endless Brexitshambles, TMay caught fellating the Pope's favourite tapir (actually that's next week), on and on they go, like some car that keeps losing vital parts - doors, windows, engine - yet stays on the road.
And Labour has "its best conference in years" and Corbyn gives his "most prime ministerial speech ever". and they actually LOSE points.
The people (thank fuck) can see what full on bien pensant Britain-hating Jew-baiting socialism looks like, and it looks like Jeremy Corbyn, and they don't want it.
Tories must pray every day that Corbyn stays healthy, and in post, and likewise his lunatic cadres.0 -
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Whichever way labour look at the polls there is little evidence labour received a bounce. Indeed there seems to be an upward tick for the conservativesjustin124 said:
Comres has Labour 1% ahead.SeanT said:
These are terrible polls for Labour. Dire.Scott_P said:
It is hard to imagine any way the Tories could be WORSE as a governing party: constant infighting, ministers resigning weekly, endless Brexitshambles, TMay caught fellating the Pope's favourite tapir (actually that's next week), on and on they go, like some car that keeps losing vital parts - doors, windows, engine - yet stays on the road.
And Labour has "its best conference in years" and Corbyn gives his "most prime ministerial speech ever". and they actually LOSE points.
The people (thank fuck) can see what full on bien pensant Britain-hating Jew-baiting socialism looks like, and it looks like Jeremy Corbyn, and they don't want it.
Tories must pray every day that Corbyn stays healthy, and in post, and likewise his lunatic cadres.
To be honest labour boasting a 1% lead is beyond parody0 -
Brexit has addled Boris and Adonis's mindsScott_P said:0 -
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.0 -
It is hardly a boast - just highlighting the lack of consistency in the polling data.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whichever way labour look at the polls there is little evidence labour received a bounce. Indeed there seems to be an upward tick for the conservativesjustin124 said:
Comres has Labour 1% ahead.SeanT said:
These are terrible polls for Labour. Dire.Scott_P said:
It is hard to imagine any way the Tories could be WORSE as a governing party: constant infighting, ministers resigning weekly, endless Brexitshambles, TMay caught fellating the Pope's favourite tapir (actually that's next week), on and on they go, like some car that keeps losing vital parts - doors, windows, engine - yet stays on the road.
And Labour has "its best conference in years" and Corbyn gives his "most prime ministerial speech ever". and they actually LOSE points.
The people (thank fuck) can see what full on bien pensant Britain-hating Jew-baiting socialism looks like, and it looks like Jeremy Corbyn, and they don't want it.
Tories must pray every day that Corbyn stays healthy, and in post, and likewise his lunatic cadres.
To be honest labour boasting a 1% lead is beyond parody0 -
Corbyn said this week he would have let it go bustjustin124 said:
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.0 -
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Indeed he did - and there is a view on the left that RBS should have been nationalised with shareholders losing all equity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Corbyn said this week he would have let it go bustjustin124 said:
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.0 -
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=15683814250 -
The recent trend has been quite good for the conservatives.justin124 said:
It is hardly a boast - just highlighting the lack of consistency in the polling data.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whichever way labour look at the polls there is little evidence labour received a bounce. Indeed there seems to be an upward tick for the conservativesjustin124 said:
Comres has Labour 1% ahead.SeanT said:
These are terrible polls for Labour. Dire.Scott_P said:
It is hard to imagine any way the Tories could be WORSE as a governing party: constant infighting, ministers resigning weekly, endless Brexitshambles, TMay caught fellating the Pope's favourite tapir (actually that's next week), on and on they go, like some car that keeps losing vital parts - doors, windows, engine - yet stays on the road.
And Labour has "its best conference in years" and Corbyn gives his "most prime ministerial speech ever". and they actually LOSE points.
The people (thank fuck) can see what full on bien pensant Britain-hating Jew-baiting socialism looks like, and it looks like Jeremy Corbyn, and they don't want it.
Tories must pray every day that Corbyn stays healthy, and in post, and likewise his lunatic cadres.
To be honest labour boasting a 1% lead is beyond parody
However, not much point in getting excited about them at this stage, we need to see the end of the conference season and how Brexit evolves through October0 -
Surprising that people attribute so much weight to slight polling movements bearing in mind what happened in the 2017 election campaign.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whichever way labour look at the polls there is little evidence labour received a bounce. Indeed there seems to be an upward tick for the conservativesjustin124 said:
Comres has Labour 1% ahead.SeanT said:
These are terrible polls for Labour. Dire.Scott_P said:
It is hard to imagine any way the Tories could be WORSE as a governing party: constant infighting, ministers resigning weekly, endless Brexitshambles, TMay caught fellating the Pope's favourite tapir (actually that's next week), on and on they go, like some car that keeps losing vital parts - doors, windows, engine - yet stays on the road.
And Labour has "its best conference in years" and Corbyn gives his "most prime ministerial speech ever". and they actually LOSE points.
The people (thank fuck) can see what full on bien pensant Britain-hating Jew-baiting socialism looks like, and it looks like Jeremy Corbyn, and they don't want it.
Tories must pray every day that Corbyn stays healthy, and in post, and likewise his lunatic cadres.
To be honest labour boasting a 1% lead is beyond parody
18 months ago the idea that Corbyn's Labour could hold a position within a few points of May's Tories would have been laughed at.0 -
The US media and politicos have read it - and jumped to the conclusion that it is reportage rather than fiction. Trying to 'convict' someone on the basis of a novel is utterly ludicrous.DecrepitJohnL said:
Kavanaugh is 1/4 (implying 80 per cent likely) to be nominated and 12/5 not to be. The FBI won't be reading that book but the media might.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=15683814250 -
And ordinary peoples pension funds decimated.justin124 said:
Indeed he did - and there is a view on the left that RBS should have been nationalised with shareholders losing all equity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Corbyn said this week he would have let it go bustjustin124 said:
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.0 -
Well, a Dem senator asked Kavanaugh if he was one of the characters to which Kavanaugh said they needed to ask Mark Judge.oxfordsimon said:
The US media and politicos have read it - and jumped to the conclusion that it is reportage rather than fiction. Trying to 'convict' someone on the basis of a novel is utterly ludicrous.DecrepitJohnL said:
Kavanaugh is 1/4 (implying 80 per cent likely) to be nominated and 12/5 not to be. The FBI won't be reading that book but the media might.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
The instant rejoinder was that the senator would have loved to but the Republicans refused to subpoena Judge for the hearing.
This could have all been cleared up in regular order if the Republicans hadn't obstructed and misdirected. Almost like they didn't want it properly looked into.0 -
Northern rock happened before the American crisis. Labour created the FSA who were responsible for the conduct of financial markets and institutions in the UK. The FSA failed. Labour were asleep at the wheel in the lead up to the crash. Ultimately Labour had the control over the Government economic tools and left the UK open to problems in the event of a crisis. I remember in 2006 thinking that a recession was due and we were not really prepared for it as a country. Gordon Brown of course did not see a crisis coming as he said "there would be no more boom and bust and he had abolished the economic cycle"justin124 said:
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
However, if Brexit is NO DEAL we will be back to square one, an utter economic mess. Plus you will probably get a Corbyn government. Maybe there is some poetic justice in watching your wealth consumed by the state, rather like the decent jobs destroyed in the UK from Brexit. In your mentality it does not matter if it happens to someone else but as soon as Corbyn threatens people like you, we all know about!
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.
Whereas Labour were in control of the economy 12 years ago and were responsible for the FSA and financial institution bad governance. The Tories on the other hand will be responsible for any NO Deal economic meltdown after early next year. Labour catastrophically failed the country, the Tories may well have caused us to revisit the crisis of ten years ago. Politics does not serve the UK population well at the moment!
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His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.0 -
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
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Brown was always stupid to have talked in terms of 'abolishing boom and bust' - but it is difficult to believe that a Tory Government would have imposed a tougher regulatory regime. McDonnell would have done so!The_Taxman said:
Northern rock happened before the American crisis. Labour created the FSA who were responsible for the conduct of financial markets and institutions in the UK. The FSA failed. Labour were asleep at the wheel in the lead up to the crash. Ultimately Labour had the control over the Government economic tools and left the UK open to problems in the event of a crisis. I remember in 2006 thinking that a recession was due and we were not really prepared for it as a country. Gordon Brown of course did not see a crisis coming as he said "there would be no more boom and bust and he had abolished the economic cycle"justin124 said:
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to pretend otherwise. Labour screwed up the economy and made a dire Government financial position worse, on purpose so they could oppose cuts the Tories had to make to manage the finances more effectively.MarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
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Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.
Whereas Labour were in control of the economy 12 years ago and were responsible for the FSA and financial institution bad governance. The Tories on the other hand will be responsible for any NO Deal economic meltdown after early next year. Labour catastrophically failed the country, the Tories may well have caused us to revisit the crisis of ten years ago. Politics does not serve the UK population well at the moment!0 -
It is still a work of fiction. Even if the character was based on Kavanaugh - it cannot be viewed as evidence of anything. Writers use names and incidents from all over the place, they invent and exaggerate. That is what fiction writing involves.Alistair said:
Well, a Dem senator asked Kavanaugh if he was one of the characters to which Kavanaugh said they needed to ask Mark Judge.oxfordsimon said:
The US media and politicos have read it - and jumped to the conclusion that it is reportage rather than fiction. Trying to 'convict' someone on the basis of a novel is utterly ludicrous.DecrepitJohnL said:
Kavanaugh is 1/4 (implying 80 per cent likely) to be nominated and 12/5 not to be. The FBI won't be reading that book but the media might.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
The instant rejoinder was that the senator would have loved to but the Republicans refused to subpoena Judge for the hearing.
This could have all been cleared up in regular order if the Republicans hadn't obstructed and misdirected. Almost like they didn't want it properly looked into.0 -
His testimony indicated be did not have a drink problem but if it is established he did it could be a problem for himoxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.0 -
Osborne's policies were certainly self-defeating for Osborne - they led directly to Brexit and the end of his political career.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
Though he did have the foresight to oppose Cameron's calamitous plan for a referendum, but even that could not save him.0 -
I disagree there. The balance between Monetary and Fiscal policy was wrong and has led to continuing imbalances within the real economy and financial markets.The_Taxman said:
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Drink problems are subjective, people can have a real lack of self awareness when it comes to alcohol. They kid themselves that they don't have a problem when they do!Big_G_NorthWales said:
His testimony indicated be did not have a drink problem but if it is established he did it could be a problem for himoxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.0 -
Another good video by Robert.0
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I am talking about the stimulating affects of monetary policy. If you cut interest rates from 6% to 3% (by 50%) for instance you provide a huge boost to a mortgage holders disposable income or it makes people with savings more incentive to spend rather than save. Fiscal policy on the other hand has to be financed from somewhere either more tax, which cuts disposable income or more borrowing, fiscal policy as an economic stimulus is less effective.justin124 said:
I disagree there. The balance between Monetary and Fiscal policy was wrong and has led to continuing imbalances within the real economy and financial markets.The_Taxman said:
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
Every statement he made during the hearing, and previous hearings he took part in, were made under oath. If he lied during any of them then that disqualifies him.0 -
I know, let's ask Judge! Clears up any confusion or ambiguity.oxfordsimon said:
It is still a work of fiction. Even if the character was based on Kavanaugh - it cannot be viewed as evidence of anything. Writers use names and incidents from all over the place, they invent and exaggerate. That is what fiction writing involves.Alistair said:
Well, a Dem senator asked Kavanaugh if he was one of the characters to which Kavanaugh said they needed to ask Mark Judge.oxfordsimon said:
The US media and politicos have read it - and jumped to the conclusion that it is reportage rather than fiction. Trying to 'convict' someone on the basis of a novel is utterly ludicrous.DecrepitJohnL said:
Kavanaugh is 1/4 (implying 80 per cent likely) to be nominated and 12/5 not to be. The FBI won't be reading that book but the media might.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
The instant rejoinder was that the senator would have loved to but the Republicans refused to subpoena Judge for the hearing.
This could have all been cleared up in regular order if the Republicans hadn't obstructed and misdirected. Almost like they didn't want it properly looked into.0 -
Correct. Fiscal policy was too tight and monetary policy too loose. As a result levels of debt have continued to increase, growth has been held back, asset prices (especially house prices) have increased, and companies have been forced to divert cash away from productive activity into pension scheme deficits (which have been greatly increased by the low level of interest rates).justin124 said:
I disagree there. The balance between Monetary and Fiscal policy was wrong and has led to continuing imbalances within the real economy and financial markets.The_Taxman said:
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
If you’re interested in finding out the truth, I don’t see why you’d limit the FBI investigation to a week, or limit the allegations that can be investigated. Glad that I don’t find myself living in America, I don’t see how I’d coexist with those Republicans.0
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He never denied drinking.Alistair said:
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
You clearly don't believe him - which is your right.
However you are painting things in a very black and white way. It is possible to be a good person who occasionally had a night on the drink. It is possible to be a bad person who never drank at all. Life is lived in shades of grey.0 -
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Investigation of his drinking is excluded from the FBI investigation by White House instruction.Alistair said:
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915061
But, whatever.0 -
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Well, that target flies in the face of what the white House was saying yesterday. It's an investigation designed not to find anything.Nigelb said:
Investigation of his drinking is excluded from the FBI investigation by White House instruction.Alistair said:
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915061
But, whatever.0 -
RIP Marty Balin.0
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Nor meThe_Apocalypse said:If you’re interested in finding out the truth, I don’t see why you’d limit the FBI investigation to a week, or limit the allegations that can be investigated. Glad that I don’t find myself living in America, I don’t see how I’d coexist with those Republicans.
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How can fiscal policy have been too tight when the government was borrowing so much i.e. 10% of GDP in 2010!anothernick said:
Correct. Fiscal policy was too tight and monetary policy too loose. As a result levels of debt have continued to increase, growth has been held back, asset prices (especially house prices) have increased, and companies have been forced to divert cash away from productive activity into pension scheme deficits (which have been greatly increased by the low level of interest rates).justin124 said:
I disagree there. The balance between Monetary and Fiscal policy was wrong and has led to continuing imbalances within the real economy and financial markets.The_Taxman said:
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
The_Taxman said:
If only Labour had been warned that they were creating huge problems and dangers for our financial health.justin124 said:
Northern rock happened before the American crisis. Labour created the FSA who were responsible for the conduct of financial markets and institutions in the UK. The FSA failed. Labour were asleep at the wheel in the lead up to the crash. Ultimately Labour had the control over the Government economic tools and left the UK open to problems in the event of a crisis. I remember in 2006 thinking that a recession was due and we were not really prepared for it as a country. Gordon Brown of course did not see a crisis coming as he said "there would be no more boom and bust and he had abolished the economic cycle"The_Taxman said:
I agree with you that the Tories inherited a mess. It is disingenuous by Labour supporters to prMarqueeMark said:
You do realise that is a measure of just how fucked the economy was that we inherited from Labour? Epically fucked. And yet Corbyn wants to go bigger.....far bigger.RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...
SNIP
Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in October 1964 and March 1974.
Most academic economists appear to take the view that the 2007/2008 crash was essentially a crisis in the financial/banking markets - originally in the US - which only later became an economic crisis. It was the collapse in Tax Revenues from the financial sector which caused the Budget Deficit to spiral - rather than the level of public spending per se.Cameron & Osborne had also committed themselves to matching Labour's spending plans.Bailing out RBS cost £45 billion alone - some Tories would have let it go bust.
Whereas Labour were in control of the economy 12 years ago and were responsible for the FSA and financial institution bad governance. The Tories on the other hand will be responsible for any NO Deal economic meltdown after early next year. Labour catastrophically failed the country, the Tories may well have caused us to revisit the crisis of ten years ago. Politics does not serve the UK population well at the moment!
Oh wait, they were and chose to ignore those warnings.0 -
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The Sunday Times front page is like an unexciting version of a Marvel special edition.
Shagger vs Supernan.0 -
That is an ancient joke.SeanT said:A genuinely funny line from BoJo
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1046134539914039304
Don't count him out, yet.0 -
He is much worse than that and is a real threat to the partybigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
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Party conference season actually feels a bit boring this year. I can’t even remember anything from the LD conference.0
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The only poll tonight where all fieldwork was done post Corbyn speech has Labour take a lead??
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Neither can Vince !!!The_Apocalypse said:Party conference season actually feels a bit boring this year. I can’t even remember anything from the LD conference.
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OK Looks like Musk has done the sensible thing.Alistair said:Musk settles.
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226
Huge.0 -
If the FBI say that they have found evidence warranting further work by the end of the week - do you really think that would be ignored?Alistair said:
Well, that target flies in the face of what the white House was saying yesterday. It's an investigation designed not to find anything.Nigelb said:
Investigation of his drinking is excluded from the FBI investigation by White House instruction.Alistair said:
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915061
But, whatever.
Looking at the details of the main allegation:
1 - The time of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
2 - The date of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
3 - The location of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
4 - The number of people said to have been present in the room during the incident has varied in various accounts presented by Dr Ford. It has settled on 3 but has included other individuals at other points.
Looking at the Ramirez allegation
1 - She has said that she is not certain that it was Kavanaugh who did what was described
I appreciate the memories - particularly surrounding traumatic moments - can be varied in terms of what elements stick. But when there is so much basic uncertainty, it is very difficult to even start looking at things with any confidence.
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LOL.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Neither can Vince !!!The_Apocalypse said:Party conference season actually feels a bit boring this year. I can’t even remember anything from the LD conference.
Wasn’t he supposed to resign? Yeah I can’t remember that happening....0 -
Yes but the deficit was falling. Because the economy was growing. Osborne then imposed rapid fiscal contraction and growth slowed. He then wisely allowed the deficit to rise again. after which growth picked up and the deficit resumed its downward path.The_Taxman said:
How can fiscal policy have been too tight when the government was borrowing so much i.e. 10% of GDP in 2010!anothernick said:
Correct. Fiscal policy was too tight and monetary policy too loose. As a result levels of debt have continued to increase, growth has been held back, asset prices (especially house prices) have increased, and companies have been forced to divert cash away from productive activity into pension scheme deficits (which have been greatly increased by the low level of interest rates).justin124 said:
I disagree there. The balance between Monetary and Fiscal policy was wrong and has led to continuing imbalances within the real economy and financial markets.The_Taxman said:
Monetary policy more than counter acts a tight fiscal policy. I think the Coalition did the right thing with regard to the economy. I don't think going on a spending binge would have helped the economy, just think of Denis Healey and the IMF in the late 1970s.justin124 said:
It is not obvious that the Deficit had to be eliminated at all - few economists have advocated that. It could not continue at circa 10% of GDP , but the question is whether less austerity might have reduced it to a much more manageable level more quickly. Keynesians argue that Osborne's policies were counterproductive or self defeating.Philip_Thompson said:
Until? The economy has continued growing the entire time the Tories have been in Downing Street. What level of growth do you think would have been needed to eliminate Labour's deficit without austerity and so not borrow anything?DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Tonights Opinium 3% conservative lead was post Corbyn speech and the one you refer to shows labour dropping one point and the conservatives two going to UKIPbigjohnowls said:The only poll tonight where all fieldwork was done post Corbyn speech has Labour take a lead??
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There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
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I have driven over it. Fabulous bridgeSunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
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And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers0 -
Soft Cell comeback !0
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It is just nonsense. Tunnels would be better but it is just fantasy like most of Boris's ideas. What happened to the airport in the estuary of the ThamesPhilip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers0 -
Time to call it a night
Have a restful evening everyone
Good night0 -
Tainted Gove?Pulpstar said:Soft Cell comeback !
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So you'd have gone from highest growth in Europe to where, exactly?DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. QE was forcing GDP up and then the whole of the EU went and exploded. Even then there was no double dip, triple dip or slowdown. Just more Labour bullshit.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Well there was that talk about electing leaders who were not MPs and opening it up to pretty much anybody, but apparently the convoluted processes are such it was never something that could be approved this time around in any case. I think.The_Apocalypse said:Party conference season actually feels a bit boring this year. I can’t even remember anything from the LD conference.
But it has been pretty dull so far.0 -
It’s even more difficult whe you’re not allowed to do so.oxfordsimon said:
If the FBI say that they have found evidence warranting further work by the end of the week - do you really think that would be ignored?Alistair said:
Well, that target flies in the face of what the white House was saying yesterday. It's an investigation designed not to find anything.Nigelb said:
Investigation of his drinking is excluded from the FBI investigation by White House instruction.Alistair said:
But if he presented himself as an angelic choir boy and he wasn't then he just lied under penalty of perjury.oxfordsimon said:
His drinking habits are not the subject of the investigation.Alistair said:
Ah well, his contention that he was an angelic choir boy who never did anything untoward must be true then despite every classmate of him who's been interviewed recalling him as a frequent and belligerent drunk.oxfordsimon said:
There is a difference between a novel and a biography...Alistair said:
With amazing anecdotes about the hard drinking Bart O'Kavanaugh.rcs1000 said:Nobody seems to have mentioned on here - or generally - that Mark Judge wrote a book about the teenage drinking culture at Georgetown Prep.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568381425?ie=UTF8&tag=washpost-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1568381425
He may well have been a typical teenager finding their way with alcohol and getting it wrong (possibly frequently)
But that does not mean that he sexually assaulted anyone.
He'd been a criminal liar.
Rather disqualifying him from the whole SCOTUS thing. And his current for life appointment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915061
But, whatever.
Looking at the details of the main allegation:
1 - The time of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
2 - The date of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
3 - The location of the incident cannot be confirmed by Dr Ford
4 - The number of people said to have been present in the room during the incident has varied in various accounts presented by Dr Ford. It has settled on 3 but has included other individuals at other points.
Looking at the Ramirez allegation
1 - She has said that she is not certain that it was Kavanaugh who did what was described
I appreciate the memories - particularly surrounding traumatic moments - can be varied in terms of what elements stick. But when there is so much basic uncertainty, it is very difficult to even start looking at things with any confidence.0 -
That bridge gives me panic attacks just to look at it. I would never use it. It just scares me too much. Even if it is visually stunning.SeanT said:
I went over it twice last month. Once by train, once by car. Bit disappointed, to be honest. It is oddly unspectacular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have driven over it. Fabulous bridgeSunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
The Norman Foster bridge in France - the Millau viaduct - is much much more impressive, literally jaw-dropping.
https://www.fosterandpartners.com/projects/millau-viaduct/0 -
But we were talking about his drinking...
From the NBC link:
Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaugh’s account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.0 -
I assume the defence would be that if the investigation cannot turn up even the beginnings of some wrongdoing in a week, then it is not worthwhile to delay matters further, but I'd have presumed from the start the purpose was to demonstrate some time had been spent on it at least without jeopardising the outcome.The_Apocalypse said:If you’re interested in finding out the truth, I don’t see why you’d limit the FBI investigation to a week, or limit the allegations that can be investigated. Glad that I don’t find myself living in America, I don’t see how I’d coexist with those Republicans.
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Someone's playing favourites, Falkland Islands.SeanT said:
It's probably just my cynicism, but I cannot see comments from standing up to oppressors from politicians without thinking of Jim Hacker talking about standing up for the weak against the strong...but not the too strong.0 -
Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems.
Neither side has acted with integrity over this.0 -
No slowdown?MaxPB said:
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. QE was forcing GDP up and then the whole of the EU went and exploded. Even then there was no double dip, triple dip or slowdown. Just more Labour bullshit.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
No. It was a statistical phantom in the end.Alistair said:
No slowdown?MaxPB said:
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. QE was forcing GDP up and then the whole of the EU went and exploded. Even then there was no double dip, triple dip or slowdown. Just more Labour bullshit.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering from the global financial crisis in 2010 until Osborne became Chancellor (insert Ballsian flatlining hand gesture here).Philip_Thompson said:
Growth has happened though. Eliminating Labour's deficit on day one was never an option.DecrepitJohnL said:
Cut more, borrowed more or expanded the economy? Funny how growth gets forgotten.MaxPB said:
So what would you have done, cut more or borrowed more?RochdalePioneers said:I keep reading about Labour and profligate spending and debt.
Yet its the Tories who have borrowed Eight Hundred Billion Pounds in 8 years AND had to slash front line services...0 -
Seems rather silly of him to say the least to have dragged it out even this far, what was he thinking?Alistair said:Musk settles.
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226
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Last time I looked Denmark and Germany shared a land border.Philip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
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Which cost around £2.5bn.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
Good luck building a Boris folly for many multiples of that.0 -
Brilliant article by Andrew Sullivan.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/kavanaugh-ford-hearings-everyone-lost-andrew-sullivan.html0 -
Your saying Feinstein should have ignored Dr Ford’s request not to release her story ?oxfordsimon said:Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems....
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What does that have to do with their also being a bridge between the two that is not sharing a land border?Benpointer said:
Last time I looked Denmark and Germany shared a land border.Philip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
I cannot imagine a bridge to France or Ireland would be feasible - even if one could be built, and I am sure it can be managed, the cost would I presume be exorbitant in these times - but even nations sharing a land border can have bridges between them apparently.0 -
The Dems needed to blunt the attack that they were delaying in order to keep things going until after the mid termskle4 said:
I assume the defence would be that if the investigation cannot turn up even the beginnings of some wrongdoing in a week, then it is not worthwhile to delay matters further, but I'd have presumed from the start the purpose was to demonstrate some time had been spent on it at least without jeopardising the outcome.The_Apocalypse said:If you’re interested in finding out the truth, I don’t see why you’d limit the FBI investigation to a week, or limit the allegations that can be investigated. Glad that I don’t find myself living in America, I don’t see how I’d coexist with those Republicans.
Flake gave the Republicans cover to the attack that they were blocking an investigation
The Anita Hill investigation took 3 days. 7 days for a limited scope investigation (given the resources available to the FBI) can make a decent start to establish some basics.
If they find something, they will report it and Kavanaugh is finished.
If they don't, the press won't stop digging. But if they haven't found anything concrete by now and the FBI can't find anything, perhaps, just perhaps, there was nothing to find in the first place.
Which is not to say that Dr Ford was lying - but just that it might have been a case of mistaken identity (which would not be the first time in legal history that this has happened)
I don't know what happened. None of us do. But I have to put my faith in the presumption of innocence. I can see no other just way of proceeding.0 -
SeanT, you might like to know Michael Wignall has acquired the Angel Inn at Hetton, in the North Yorks Dales. I gather he is running it as is until the New Year, then closing for maybe a couple of months to fit it out. I shall be making a trip up there for sure.0
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A hard decision to make. But if it was the only thing that would prevent such a person from taking up such an extremely powerful office which will have influence for many decades, perhaps there is a case that the answer is yes, despite the personal cost?Nigelb said:
Your saying Feinstein should have ignored Dr Ford’s request not to release her story ?oxfordsimon said:Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems....
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She could have spoken to Dr Ford and said that the FBI could investigate without releasing her name - which was a possibility.Nigelb said:
Your saying Feinstein should have ignored Dr Ford’s request not to release her story ?oxfordsimon said:Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems....
Someone also has to answer for how the story did get released. It was only known to Dems and Dr Ford's lawyers.0 -
Musk settles with the SEC, which will disappoint a few shorts.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/29/elon-musk-tesla-40m-sec-case-tweets0 -
And an extremely easy decision to extend the confirmation process.kle4 said:
A hard decision to make. But if it was the only thing that would prevent such a person from taking up such an extremely powerful office which will have influence for many decades, perhaps there is a case that the answer is yes, despite the personal cost?Nigelb said:
Your saying Feinstein should have ignored Dr Ford’s request not to release her story ?oxfordsimon said:Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems....
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All by Marchkle4 said:
What does that have to do with their also being a bridge between the two that is not sharing a land border?Benpointer said:
Last time I looked Denmark and Germany shared a land border.Philip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
I cannot imagine a bridge to France or Ireland would be feasible - even if one could be built, and I am sure it can be managed, the cost would I presume be exorbitant in these times - but even nations sharing a land border can have bridges between them apparently.
Perhaps it will also link to fantasy island0 -
Why is international infrastructure a folly? It's hardly an unnecessary bridge across the Thames in central London.Nigelb said:
Which cost around £2.5bn.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
Good luck building a Boris folly for many multiples of that.
People lose all perspective just because it has Boris's name attached. Boris Island would have been an inspired airport. And you could have built a new city on the site of Heathrow, a la Canary Wharf.0 -
If you’re looking at the Clarence Thomas confirmation as a model process then I think we have little to talk about.oxfordsimon said:
The Dems needed to blunt the attack that they were delaying in order to keep things going until after the mid termskle4 said:
I assume the defence would be that if the investigation cannot turn up even the beginnings of some wrongdoing in a week, then it is not worthwhile to delay matters further, but I'd have presumed from the start the purpose was to demonstrate some time had been spent on it at least without jeopardising the outcome.The_Apocalypse said:If you’re interested in finding out the truth, I don’t see why you’d limit the FBI investigation to a week, or limit the allegations that can be investigated. Glad that I don’t find myself living in America, I don’t see how I’d coexist with those Republicans.
Flake gave the Republicans cover to the attack that they were blocking an investigation
The Anita Hill investigation took 3 days. 7 days for a limited scope investigation (given the resources available to the FBI) can make a decent start to establish some basics.
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AfD just 10% behind Merkel in new poll:
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Emnid poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 27% (-1)
AfD-EFDD: 17% (+1)
SPD-S&D: 16% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 11%
FDP-ALDE: 10% (+1)"0 -
The Milau bridge is fine to drive over.oxfordsimon said:
That bridge gives me panic attacks just to look at it. I would never use it. It just scares me too much. Even if it is visually stunning.SeanT said:
I went over it twice last month. Once by train, once by car. Bit disappointed, to be honest. It is oddly unspectacular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have driven over it. Fabulous bridgeSunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
The Norman Foster bridge in France - the Millau viaduct - is much much more impressive, literally jaw-dropping.
https://www.fosterandpartners.com/projects/millau-viaduct/0 -
The airport in the estuary wasn't Boris's to authorise but would have been a damn good idea.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is just nonsense. Tunnels would be better but it is just fantasy like most of Boris's ideas. What happened to the airport in the estuary of the ThamesPhilip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
We're still messing around with the third runway when we could be proceeding to build a four-runway airport. The Canary Wharf-style potential of the land where Heathrow is, would be truly immense too.0 -
A woman in the far east of Russia has told the BBC she recognises one of the key suspects in the Salisbury attack as a military intelligence officer.
The woman identified him immediately from photographs as Anatoliy Chepiga, a decorated "Hero of Russia".
Her assertion supports research by the Bellingcat online investigations team, which also identified Col Chepiga as one of the Salisbury suspects.
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A Belfast taxi driver was talking to me about a bridge to Scotland a few days ago but I thought he was joking. It seems not.0
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I think you'd need two bridges, as just one connecting us to both Ireland and France would have to be absolutely huge.Philip_Thompson said:
And Denmark to Germany. So why can't Britain have one to Ireland and France?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
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It isn’t; a bridge across the Channel (for instance) is.MarqueeMark said:
Why is international infrastructure a folly? It's hardly an unnecessary bridge across the Thames in central London...Nigelb said:
Which cost around £2.5bn.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There is one connecting Denmark to Swedenbigjohnowls said:Bridge to Ireland
Boris is crackers
Good luck building a Boris folly for many multiples of that.
Infrastructure spending is a matter of choices, and Johnson has hardly displayed any great ability to make them.
If you’ve got a few tens of billions to throw around, then build the Dogger Wind Farm along with the North Sea interconnects. Those might actually show an economic return.
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The haste is hard to defend, even if there are also potential political upsides for some in delay. It's not like the process needs to be quick, it would seem.Nigelb said:
And an extremely easy decision to extend the confirmation process.kle4 said:
A hard decision to make. But if it was the only thing that would prevent such a person from taking up such an extremely powerful office which will have influence for many decades, perhaps there is a case that the answer is yes, despite the personal cost?Nigelb said:
Your saying Feinstein should have ignored Dr Ford’s request not to release her story ?oxfordsimon said:Well they are looking into it now. And the FBI could have started that work - maintaining anonymity - if it had not been sat on by Dems....
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