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On this week’s PB / Polling Matters podcast, Keiran Pedley is joined by Paula Surridge (Senior Lecturer in Political Sociology at the University of Bristol).
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Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.0
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Not that it matters but I was and the thread then disappeared. Weird bugs.Casino_Royale said:First
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael0 -
I'm flexible about what kind of Brexit is delivered (and I'd be OK with remaining, I was torn in the referendum). I don't have faith in May, you're right that she's little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but after 2 years of the EU saying "here's the options, pick one" she is still picking a chimera they have rejected!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not idolise TM. She has many faults but she has little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but she has cabinet support.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get your idolation of TM.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM to walk out or more likely strike a dealPhilip_Thompson said:
We've already seen. What more will it take?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us see. Only a few weeks nowrottenborough said:
The EU have said 'No'.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Chequers is a mid way between Norway and Canada and I still believe it will be delivered subject to the cabinet remaining unitedbigjohnowls said:
You really are an optimist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.HYUFD said:If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives
He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain
There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.
Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.
How many times do they need to say it?
The EU say no, explicitly and clearly. Not maybe, an outright no. Are they lieing?
Why would you listen to TM but not the EU?
The fact she may not deliver your kind of brexit is not my problem
Right now we need a leader who will stand up and say "Canada+" or "EEA". Those are options. The EU have already said Chequers is not. The next 3 weeks will be more productive if we make a choice.0 -
I see Bill Cosby has gone down for 10 years.
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And the Conservative vote doubled.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
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All done down to Toby Perkins.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.0 -
3-10 I thought?bigjohnowls said:I see Bill Cosby has gone down for 10 years.
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In fairness who is that leaderPhilip_Thompson said:
I'm flexible about what kind of Brexit is delivered (and I'd be OK with remaining, I was torn in the referendum). I don't have faith in May, you're right that she's little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but after 2 years of the EU saying "here's the options, pick one" she is still picking a chimera they have rejected!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not idolise TM. She has many faults but she has little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but she has cabinet support.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get your idolation of TM.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM to walk out or more likely strike a dealPhilip_Thompson said:
We've already seen. What more will it take?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us see. Only a few weeks nowrottenborough said:
The EU have said 'No'.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Chequers is a mid way between Norway and Canada and I still believe it will be delivered subject to the cabinet remaining unitedbigjohnowls said:
You really are an optimist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.HYUFD said:If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives
He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain
There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.
Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.
How many times do they need to say it?
The EU say no, explicitly and clearly. Not maybe, an outright no. Are they lieing?
Why would you listen to TM but not the EU?
The fact she may not deliver your kind of brexit is not my problem
Right now we need a leader who will stand up and say "Canada+" or "EEA". Those are options. The EU have already said Chequers is not. The next 3 weeks will be more productive if we make a choice.0 -
Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
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Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Toby is an effective campaigner.TheScreamingEagles said:
All done down to Toby Perkins.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.
Not so much an effective Goalkeeper
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Remind me, did somebody get on him at 66-1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
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Hunt or Sajid for me - but in the next few weeksTheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
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Virtually any of the Cabinet.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
Jeremy Hunt, Sajiid Javid, Phil Hammond, Dominic Raab - they wouldn't all make the same decision (Hunt would likely say Canada, Hammond would likely say EEA) but all of them could make a decision. May is paralysed.0 -
After the Theresa May experience I'll be surprised if Con go for another Remainer.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
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Ultra Brexiteers pushing too hard and losing brexitGIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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In fact oddly it was much closer in 2017 than in 2015 despite Labour topping 50% (54%) of the vote, due to the surge in Conservative votes.TheScreamingEagles said:
All done down to Toby Perkins.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.0 -
Newsnights point was Corbyn is losing Labour voters thoughTOPPING said:
And the Conservative vote doubled.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
Edit: an 8,000 increase.
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Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?0
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That is unnecessaryRoger said:Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?
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Only once Blair had gone.TheScreamingEagles said:
All done down to Toby Perkins.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.
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Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Well he is an expert in waiting at least at increasing Waiting Lists and increasing Waiting TimesTheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.Big_G_NorthWales said:In fairness who is that leader
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My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. Someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions would clean up.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
Too many pusillanimous politicians at the moment. If she finds white van man wit flags funny say so0 -
It was five years ago!Roger said:
I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. the country's desperate for someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions. Too many pusillanimous politicians at the momentAnazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Are you sure it’s not the deep state at work?Anazina said:
Not that it matters but I was and the thread then disappeared. Weird bugs.Casino_Royale said:First
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It's already very close to having happened that way.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ultra Brexiteers pushing too hard and losing brexitGIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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As she doesn’t cover the front of the house in St George’s crosses, I would suggest not. Nowt wrong with flying flags. Using them as outdoor curtains...?Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6557365/white-van-man-mocked-by-labour-mp-emily-thornberry-backing-england-in-world-cup-with-flag-display/amp/0 -
To be honest you give him a good run on patronising. It’s hardly a unique trait here,malbeit that doctors seem particularly susceptible to it.Anazina said:
Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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The Union Jack would be odd but a Union Flag would be ok...Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Actually they represent our welsh, scots and english heritageAnazina said:
As she doesn’t cover the front of the house in St George’s crosses, I would suggest not. Nowt wrong with flying flags. Using them as outdoor curtains...?Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6557365/white-van-man-mocked-by-labour-mp-emily-thornberry-backing-england-in-world-cup-with-flag-display/amp/
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Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
Errr....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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She shouldn't have been sacked, Ed M made the wrong move there.Roger said:
I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. Someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions would clean up.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
Too many pusillanimous politicians at the moment. If she finds white van man wit flags funny say so
I can see that. I've a relative for example who never voted until Brexit (but then did in 2017) but who still described themselves as a Labour man, even though they didn't really seem that Labour to me (though definitely working class and originally from a Labour voting area). Push come to shove they voted Tory in 2017 due to dislike of Corbyn.Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.
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Panelist on 'The Pledge' (which is basically 'Question Time' without the moronic audience)Anazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
I think the suggestion is it would be better to fly Jack than to fly lots of flags...Charles said:
The Union Jack would be odd but a Union Flag would be ok...Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believeAnazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...0 -
She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believeAnazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.Anazina said:
Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
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No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
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You live next door to William Glenn?Mortimer said:
I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.Anazina said:
Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
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I think an American would fly the Stars and Stripes.Jonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Also a good strong Leaver.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believeAnazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.0 -
They could, but I get annoyed with the Labour voter (because he is, I remember GE2017) in the small sleepy Hampshire village of Medstead 4 miles away from me who flies an EU flag from his house day in, day out.Mortimer said:
I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.Anazina said:
Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
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Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying0 -
She’s a good solid patriot. Pass on my respect and regards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...0 -
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying0 -
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.0 -
Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)0 -
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.0 -
Not the magnificient Welsh anthem though. Even my Scots father in law said it was inspiringydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.0 -
Thank you and she isCasino_Royale said:
She’s a good solid patriot. Pass on my respect and regards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...0 -
When in a hole...ydoethur said:
Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)0 -
Exactly my point.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
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I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.0 -
I was at school in Berwick on Tweed at the timeydoethur said:
Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)0 -
Argentina? ARGENTINA?ydoethur said:
I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
Russia’s is the clearly the best.0 -
Fair answer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I was at school in Berwick on Tweed at the timeydoethur said:
Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)0 -
She was on the Apprentice iirc.Casino_Royale said:
Also a good strong Leaver.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believeAnazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.
Might even have been one of the winners.0 -
I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).RoyalBlue said:
Argentina? ARGENTINA?ydoethur said:
I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
Russia’s is the clearly the best.0 -
Seems like she'll probably wish to be, and really should be forgotten.Danny565 said:
Panelist on 'The Pledge' (which is basically 'Question Time' without the moronic audience)Anazina said:
Who is she?Danny565 said:
The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.bigjohnowls said:Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael
A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.
I rather like the QT audience. The bbc get it mostly right there in my view. Some crashingly dull exceptions, but they know that.0 -
The only good thing about East Germany was its anthem.ydoethur said:
I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).RoyalBlue said:
Argentina? ARGENTINA?ydoethur said:
I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
Russia’s is the clearly the best.0 -
Just watched TM interviewed and she did her best Maybot. Looked very tired and tetchy
I do not envy her job at all
Edit : Just remembered I am not supposed to critise her - sorry0 -
France and Wales have the best national anthems.
Russia’s not far behind.
Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.0 -
Come on. No country that gave us the Trabant could be entirely awful.IanB2 said:
The only good thing about East Germany was its anthem.ydoethur said:
I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).RoyalBlue said:
Argentina? ARGENTINA?ydoethur said:
I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
Russia’s is the clearly the best.0 -
A better idea would be to avoid any such naff displays and show a modicum of respect for your neighbours, instead of acting like an obstrusive helmet.Mortimer said:
I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.Anazina said:
Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.Mortimer said:
Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....Anazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...0 -
I think he’s perfectly aware. Fortunately, being a right-on leftie means that his remark can’t possibly be homophobic.alex. said:0 -
France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.ydoethur said:
I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).RoyalBlue said:
Argentina? ARGENTINA?ydoethur said:
I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.RoyalBlue said:
By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?ydoethur said:
I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.Jonathan said:Yes
Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No BritishJonathan said:
How very American.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutterAnazina said:
Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.GIN1138 said:
Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.Anazina said:Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.
What can possibly go wrong...
Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying
Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.
Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.
I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
Russia’s is the clearly the best.
The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.0 -
Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.Omnium said:France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.
The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.0 -
Holst. I vow to thee my country.
Or something modern that people can actually sing.
At least God Save the Queen is easy to belt out.0 -
I'm surprised you endorse an anthem calling for the needless sacrifice of the brightest and best young men on the altar of imperialism.Jonathan said:Holst. I vow to thee my country.
Or something modern that people can actually sing.
At least God Save the Queen is easy to belt out.0 -
Germany wanted an Empire - and you'd better agree.ydoethur said:
Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.Omnium said:France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.
The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.
We had an Empire - and you'd better agree.
Perhaps there's something in the music along those lines.
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Who cares? Corbyn’s views on the topic matter little to me.felix said:
I'm not sure 'Oh Jeremy' would find it easy to join in a heart rendition of Jerusalem.Anazina said:France and Wales have the best national anthems.
Russia’s not far behind.
Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.0 -
Blame the orchestration, not Mr Arne.ydoethur said:
Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.Omnium said:France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.
The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.
It probably sounded more like this to him:
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Well, you've not lost your sense of humour to be fair.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just watched TM interviewed and she did her best Maybot. Looked very tired and tetchy
I do not envy her job at all
Edit : Just remembered I am not supposed to critise her - sorry
I'm a known critic of the Conservative Party and the Prime Minister but I wouldn't want her health and her sanity to suffer because of the job.
Politics isn't one-dimensional - there were aspects of John McDonnell's speech I liked yesterday and both Starmer and Thornberry did well today. There's even a decent piece with Tom Watson in tonight's Evening Standard and Watson gets a reasonable mention from George Osborne in the Editorial.
I also think Labour's contortions over Brexit aren't much different to those of the Conservatives.
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And they want to run our countrywilliamglenn said:0 -
And they want to run our countrywilliamglenn said:0 -
That's a gaffe and a half.williamglenn said:
It reminds me of Thatcher's famous late career answer in the House: 'I am not sure what my honourable friend said, but we both hold precisely the same view.'0 -
Point and laugh at Labour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And they want to run our countrywilliamglenn said:0
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