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On this week’s PB / Polling Matters podcast, Keiran Pedley is joined by Paula Surridge (Senior Lecturer in Political Sociology at the University of Bristol).

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Anazina

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Anazina

Casino_Royale said:

First

Not that it matters but I was and the thread then disappeared. Weird bugs.

philiph

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Steamer is close to unreconstituted evil, in my view.

Jonathan

philiph said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Steamer is close to unreconstituted evil, in my view.

Weird opinion.

bigjohnowls

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

Philip_Thompson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives

While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.

He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain

You really are an optimist.

There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.

Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.

Chequers is a mid way between Norway and Canada and I still believe it will be delivered subject to the cabinet remaining united

The EU have said 'No'.

How many times do they need to say it?

Let us see. Only a few weeks now

We've already seen. What more will it take?

TM to walk out or more likely strike a deal

I don't get your idolation of TM.

The EU say no, explicitly and clearly. Not maybe, an outright no. Are they lieing?

Why would you listen to TM but not the EU?

I do not idolise TM. She has many faults but she has little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but she has cabinet support.

The fact she may not deliver your kind of brexit is not my problem

I'm flexible about what kind of Brexit is delivered (and I'd be OK with remaining, I was torn in the referendum). I don't have faith in May, you're right that she's little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but after 2 years of the EU saying "here's the options, pick one" she is still picking a chimera they have rejected!

Right now we need a leader who will stand up and say "Canada+" or "EEA". Those are options. The EU have already said Chequers is not. The next 3 weeks will be more productive if we make a choice.

bigjohnowls

I see Bill Cosby has gone down for 10 years.

Poetic justice

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

And the Conservative vote doubled.

Edit: an 8,000 increase.

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

All done down to Toby Perkins.

He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.

nunuone

bigjohnowls said:

I see Bill Cosby has gone down for 10 years.

Poetic justice

3-10 I thought?

Big_G_NorthWales

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives

While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.

He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain

You really are an optimist.

There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.

Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.

Chequers is a mid way between Norway and Canada and I still believe it will be delivered subject to the cabinet remaining united

The EU have said 'No'.

How many times do they need to say it?

Let us see. Only a few weeks now

We've already seen. What more will it take?

TM to walk out or more likely strike a deal

I don't get your idolation of TM.

The EU say no, explicitly and clearly. Not maybe, an outright no. Are they lieing?

Why would you listen to TM but not the EU?

I do not idolise TM. She has many faults but she has little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but she has cabinet support.

The fact she may not deliver your kind of brexit is not my problem

I'm flexible about what kind of Brexit is delivered (and I'd be OK with remaining, I was torn in the referendum). I don't have faith in May, you're right that she's little more than 3 weeks to do a deal but after 2 years of the EU saying "here's the options, pick one" she is still picking a chimera they have rejected!

Right now we need a leader who will stand up and say "Canada+" or "EEA". Those are options. The EU have already said Chequers is not. The next 3 weeks will be more productive if we make a choice.

In fairness who is that leader

TheScreamingEagles

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

GIN1138

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

bigjohnowls

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bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

All done down to Toby Perkins.

He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.

Toby is an effective campaigner.

Not so much an effective Goalkeeper

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Campling/status/1044481658123153408

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Remind me, did somebody get on him at 66-1?

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Hunt or Sajid for me - but in the next few weeks

Philip_Thompson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Virtually any of the Cabinet.

Jeremy Hunt, Sajiid Javid, Phil Hammond, Dominic Raab - they wouldn't all make the same decision (Hunt would likely say Canada, Hammond would likely say EEA) but all of them could make a decision. May is paralysed.

GIN1138

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

After the Theresa May experience I'll be surprised if Con go for another Remainer.

I think Raab's stock is rising rather quickly...

Big_G_NorthWales

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Ultra Brexiteers pushing too hard and losing brexit

ydoethur

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bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

All done down to Toby Perkins.

He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.

In fact oddly it was much closer in 2017 than in 2015 despite Labour topping 50% (54%) of the vote, due to the surge in Conservative votes.

bigjohnowls

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

And the Conservative vote doubled.

Edit: an 8,000 increase.

Newsnights point was Corbyn is losing Labour voters though

Plus only time in recent years Lab lost Chesterfield was under Blair

Roger

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

Big_G_NorthWales

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

That is unnecessary

Anazina

Jonathan said:

philiph said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Steamer is close to unreconstituted evil, in my view.

Weird opinion.

Only on PB.

bigjohnowls

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bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

All done down to Toby Perkins.

He gained the seat from the Lib Dems.

Only once Blair had gone.

Chesterfield hates New Labour

Anazina

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In fairness who is that leader

Jeremy Hunt, he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Well he is an expert in waiting at least at increasing Waiting Lists and increasing Waiting Times

Big_G_NorthWales

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

Danny565

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Mortimer

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Roger

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. Someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions would clean up.

Too many pusillanimous politicians at the moment. If she finds white van man wit flags funny say so

welshowl

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

Would you say that about any other same sex couple?

Anazina

Roger said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. the country's desperate for someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions. Too many pusillanimous politicians at the moment

It was five years ago!

Anazina

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

Charles

Anazina said:

Casino_Royale said:

First

Not that it matters but I was and the thread then disappeared. Weird bugs.

Are you sure it’s not the deep state at work?

Charles

Jonathan said:

philiph said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Steamer is close to unreconstituted evil, in my view.

Weird opinion.

If half of what my mum knows from his time as DPP were public... let’s just say Labour would be hostage to fortune

WhisperingOracle

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Ultra Brexiteers pushing too hard and losing brexit

It's already very close to having happened that way.

matt

philiph said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Steamer is close to unreconstituted evil, in my view.

Good lord, that’s unhinged.

Many of the people who’ve worked with him despise him and I wouldn’t put a lawyer anywhere near a budget but evil?

Anazina

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

As she doesn’t cover the front of the house in St George’s crosses, I would suggest not. Nowt wrong with flying flags. Using them as outdoor curtains...?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6557365/white-van-man-mocked-by-labour-mp-emily-thornberry-backing-england-in-world-cup-with-flag-display/amp/

matt

Anazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

To be honest you give him a good run on patronising. It’s hardly a unique trait here,malbeit that doctors seem particularly susceptible to it.

Charles

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

The Union Jack would be odd but a Union Flag would be ok...

Big_G_NorthWales

Anazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

As she doesn’t cover the front of the house in St George’s crosses, I would suggest not. Nowt wrong with flying flags. Using them as outdoor curtains...?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6557365/white-van-man-mocked-by-labour-mp-emily-thornberry-backing-england-in-world-cup-with-flag-display/amp/

Actually they represent our welsh, scots and english heritage

Anazina

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

DavidL

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

Errr....

kle4

Roger said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

I got mixed feelings about her. She sends round a perfectly reasonable photo then apologises for it. Someone with a sense of humour and enough courage to defend their actions would clean up.

Too many pusillanimous politicians at the moment. If she finds white van man wit flags funny say so

She shouldn't have been sacked, Ed M made the wrong move there.

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

I can see that. I've a relative for example who never voted until Brexit (but then did in 2017) but who still described themselves as a Labour man, even though they didn't really seem that Labour to me (though definitely working class and originally from a Labour voting area). Push come to shove they voted Tory in 2017 due to dislike of Corbyn.

Danny565

Anazina said:

Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

Panelist on 'The Pledge' (which is basically 'Question Time' without the moronic audience)

ydoethur

Charles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

The Union Jack would be odd but a Union Flag would be ok...

I think the suggestion is it would be better to fly Jack than to fly lots of flags...

Big_G_NorthWales

Anazina said:

Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believe

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

Big_G_NorthWales

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Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believe

Mortimer

Anazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

GIN1138

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.

You live next door to William Glenn?

alex.

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

I think an American would fly the Stars and Stripes.

RoyalBlue

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

A most ungallant remark.

Casino_Royale

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believe

Also a good strong Leaver.

Casino_Royale

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.

They could, but I get annoyed with the Labour voter (because he is, I remember GE2017) in the small sleepy Hampshire village of Medstead 4 miles away from me who flies an EU flag from his house day in, day out.

Jonathan

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

Casino_Royale

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

She’s a good solid patriot. Pass on my respect and regards.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

ydoethur

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?

Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)

RoyalBlue

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

Big_G_NorthWales

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

Not the magnificient Welsh anthem though. Even my Scots father in law said it was inspiring

Big_G_NorthWales

Casino_Royale said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

She’s a good solid patriot. Pass on my respect and regards.

Thank you and she is

RoyalBlue

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?

Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)

When in a hole...

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

Exactly my point.

ydoethur

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Big_G_NorthWales

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?

Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)

I was at school in Berwick on Tweed at the time

RoyalBlue

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Argentina? ARGENTINA?

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Russia’s is the clearly the best.

ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

The Scots and Welsh have flown flags for as long as I remember.

Surely the Welsh flag was only adopted less than 60 years ago?

Edit - thinks through tactless implication and clarifies - when you were at school surely it didn't exist? (Although that's not perhaps vastly better, sorry!)

I was at school in Berwick on Tweed at the time

Fair answer.

rottenborough

Casino_Royale said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

She is on TV quite a lot including in the Pledge. From Hull she is down to earth and I like her no nonsense approach to politics. Stood as an independent in Hull at the last GE I believe

Also a good strong Leaver.

She was on the Apprentice iirc.

Might even have been one of the winners.

ydoethur

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Argentina? ARGENTINA?

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Russia’s is the clearly the best.

I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).

Omnium

Danny565 said:

Anazina said:

Danny565 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Michael Rosen
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Dear @BBCNewsnight Last night you showed several vox pops of people in Chesterfield saying we won’t vote Lab under Corbyn. Under Corbyn the Lab vote in Chesterfield went up by 5000 votes. Best wishes, Michael

The thing is that a lot of people who say "I've always been Labour, but not anymore" were, despite their claims, not actually that Labour in the first place.

A good example is Michelle Dewberry - she made a big play on 'The Pledge' every week about "always used to be Labour and "I was born and bred Labour" etcetc. But then one week she admitted she'd never actually voted for them (she said she hadn't voted at all until she was in her late 20s, and in the couple of elections since then had voted Tory) - by "always been Labour", she meant she was from Hull and was surrounded by friends and family who were Labour voters.

Who is she?

Panelist on 'The Pledge' (which is basically 'Question Time' without the moronic audience)

Seems like she'll probably wish to be, and really should be forgotten.

I rather like the QT audience. The bbc get it mostly right there in my view. Some crashingly dull exceptions, but they know that.

IanB2

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Argentina? ARGENTINA?

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Russia’s is the clearly the best.

I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).

The only good thing about East Germany was its anthem.

Big_G_NorthWales

Just watched TM interviewed and she did her best Maybot. Looked very tired and tetchy

I do not envy her job at all

Edit : Just remembered I am not supposed to critise her - sorry

Anazina

France and Wales have the best national anthems.

Russia’s not far behind.

Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.

ydoethur

Anazina said:

France and Wales have the best national anthems.

Russia’s not far behind.

Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.

Sorry to be awkward, but I don't like Jerusalem either!

alex.

RoyalBlue said:

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

A most ungallant remark.

I'm not sure from this if Roger is aware that she actually is pregnant.

ydoethur

IanB2 said:

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Argentina? ARGENTINA?

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Russia’s is the clearly the best.

I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).

The only good thing about East Germany was its anthem.

Come on. No country that gave us the Trabant could be entirely awful.

Anazina

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

Sneer away; it won't win your lot votes....

Here we go - PB’s most patronising poster in history pipes up. Would you (or your wife) like to live next to this bellend? No. So pipe down.

I have no problem with flags - our neighbours could cover their house in EU flags if they like; it’s their house.

A better idea would be to avoid any such naff displays and show a modicum of respect for your neighbours, instead of acting like an obstrusive helmet.

RoyalBlue

alex. said:

RoyalBlue said:

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

A most ungallant remark.

I'm not sure from this if Roger is aware that she actually is pregnant.

I think he’s perfectly aware. Fortunately, being a right-on leftie means that his remark can’t possibly be homophobic.

Omnium

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

RoyalBlue said:

ydoethur said:

Jonathan said:

Yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anazina said:

Thornberry for leader with Starmer as shadchan would be my pick.

Lady Throberry who looks down her nose on the great unwashed and Starmer who wants to overturn the vote's of 17m people and make them keep voting until they get it right.

What can possibly go wrong...

Not the England flags again! Some nutter who covers his house in England flags - what an absolute helmet he is.

My wife flies the union jack, the scots and welsh flags in our garden. Is she a nutter

How very American.

No British

Have you been to Scotland and seen the numbers of saltires flying

Sure. I remember when we were confident as a nation, we knew who we were and didn’t need to fly flags. We’ve lost something.

I'll be really worried when people start singing the National Anthem all the time.

Not because of jingoism, but because it's such a shite piece of music.

By shite, you must mean congregational. Would you prefer an anthem like that of the Latin American countries which the man on the Quito omnibus has no chance of singing?

Performed as a vocal trio with Baroque instruments and the original words, it’s quite fun. Perhaps this is what they should do at football matches.

I'll take the Welsh national anthem, with pleasure. Or the French one (can feel TSE plotting my death already). Even the Italian one (although I think most Italians prefer Aida). Not the British though, it's just dull.

I do prefer the Argentine national anthem, and I can actually sing it. Or Advance Australia Fair although again I prefer Waltzing Matilda.

Argentina? ARGENTINA?

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Russia’s is the clearly the best.

I will admit that is a good singable anthem. Kazakhstan's has its good points as well (and no, I don't mean the theme tune from Borat).

France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.

The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.

ydoethur

RoyalBlue said:

alex. said:

RoyalBlue said:

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

A most ungallant remark.

I'm not sure from this if Roger is aware that she actually is pregnant.

I think he’s perfectly aware. Fortunately, being a right-on leftie who doesn't come from Swansea means that his remark can’t possibly be homophobic.

Minor alteration.

ydoethur

Omnium said:

France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.

The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.

Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.

felix

Anazina said:

France and Wales have the best national anthems.

Russia’s not far behind.

Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.

I'm not sure 'Oh Jeremy' would find it easy to join in a heart rendition of Jerusalem.

Jonathan

Holst. I vow to thee my country.

Or something modern that people can actually sing.

At least God Save the Queen is easy to belt out.

alex.

RoyalBlue said:

alex. said:

RoyalBlue said:

Roger said:

Just seen Ruth Davidson on Ch4 News. She looks extremely pregnant. One of those do-it-yourself jobs?

A most ungallant remark.

I'm not sure from this if Roger is aware that she actually is pregnant.

I think he’s perfectly aware. Fortunately, being a right-on leftie means that his remark can’t possibly be homophobic.

You're being too generous. I thought he was demonstrating both homophobia AND fattism.

ydoethur

Jonathan said:

Holst. I vow to thee my country.

Or something modern that people can actually sing.

At least God Save the Queen is easy to belt out.

I'm surprised you endorse an anthem calling for the needless sacrifice of the brightest and best young men on the altar of imperialism.

geoffw

Jonathan said:

Holst. I vow to thee my country.

Or something modern that people can actually sing.

At least God Save the Queen is easy to belt out.

by subjunctivising subjects.

Omnium

ydoethur said:

Omnium said:

France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.

The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.

Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.

Germany wanted an Empire - and you'd better agree.

We had an Empire - and you'd better agree.

Perhaps there's something in the music along those lines.

Anazina

felix said:

Anazina said:

France and Wales have the best national anthems.

Russia’s not far behind.

Ours is an utter dirge. We should have switched to Jerusalem decades ago.

I'm not sure 'Oh Jeremy' would find it easy to join in a heart rendition of Jerusalem.

Who cares? Corbyn’s views on the topic matter little to me.

RoyalBlue

ydoethur said:

Omnium said:

France is in a league of its own in terms of Nation anthems. Patriotic songs - Scotland all the way. Wales only features because they can all sing.

The British National Anthem is rather awful, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was the point. Iron-fisted imperialism at something like its most benign.

Well, perhaps. The uncut German anthem is distinctly sinister. But then so is ours when sung in full. I think it's just terribly Victorian - solid, pompous, unimaginative and slow.

Blame the orchestration, not Mr Arne.

It probably sounded more like this to him:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dmhp7

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044658888128307202?s=21

stodge

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Just watched TM interviewed and she did her best Maybot. Looked very tired and tetchy

I do not envy her job at all

Edit : Just remembered I am not supposed to critise her - sorry

Well, you've not lost your sense of humour to be fair.

I'm a known critic of the Conservative Party and the Prime Minister but I wouldn't want her health and her sanity to suffer because of the job.

Politics isn't one-dimensional - there were aspects of John McDonnell's speech I liked yesterday and both Starmer and Thornberry did well today. There's even a decent piece with Tom Watson in tonight's Evening Standard and Watson gets a reasonable mention from George Osborne in the Editorial.

I also think Labour's contortions over Brexit aren't much different to those of the Conservatives.

Big_G_NorthWales

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044658888128307202?s=21

And they want to run our country

Big_G_NorthWales

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044658888128307202?s=21

And they want to run our country

ydoethur

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044658888128307202?s=21

That's a gaffe and a half.

It reminds me of Thatcher's famous late career answer in the House: 'I am not sure what my honourable friend said, but we both hold precisely the same view.'

MarqueeMark

Big_G_NorthWales said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044658888128307202?s=21

And they want to run our country

Point and laugh at Labour.