Anyone on any of these JC speech specials? Twitter and Hard Working Families look value. https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/jeremy-corbyn-specials/224911182/ Brexit 1/100 NHS 1/20 For the Many 1/10 Chaos 1/3 Trump 1/2 Clause Four Evens Grotesque Evens Scotland Evens Transformative Evens Boris 6/4 DUP 2/1 Dead as a Dodo 2/1 Momentum 2/1 Peoples Vote 2/1 Fat Cats 5/2 Bill Shankly 3/1 Fake News 3/1 Jacob Rees-Mogg 3/1 Sadiq Khan 3/1 Blair 4/1 Israel 4/1 Hard Working Families 5/1 Magic Money Tree 5/1 NATO 5/1 Prepare for Government 5/1 Right Wing Media 5/1 Zombie 5/1 Neoliberalism 6/1 Strong and Stable 6/1 Westminster Bubble 8/1 Nuclear War 10/1 Twitter 10/1 Arsenal 16/1 Centrist Dad 16/1 Looney Tunes 16/1 Exotic Spresm 20/1 Owen Jones 20/1 Reactionary Forces 20/1 The Absolute Boy 25/1 Corbyn Superfan 33/1
Corbyn is the coprolite that is concreting so much of British politics into an uneasy stasis. If he goes then everything changes. Any other Labour leader would do so much better in the polls that May would be ejected shortly after.
Anyone on any of these JC speech specials? Twitter and Hard Working Families look value. https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/jeremy-corbyn-specials/224911182/ Brexit 1/100 NHS 1/20 For the Many 1/10 Chaos 1/3 Trump 1/2 Clause Four Evens Grotesque Evens Scotland Evens Transformative Evens Boris 6/4 DUP 2/1 Dead as a Dodo 2/1 Momentum 2/1 Peoples Vote 2/1 Fat Cats 5/2 Bill Shankly 3/1 Fake News 3/1 Jacob Rees-Mogg 3/1 Sadiq Khan 3/1 Blair 4/1 Israel 4/1 Hard Working Families 5/1 Magic Money Tree 5/1 NATO 5/1 Prepare for Government 5/1 Right Wing Media 5/1 Zombie 5/1 Neoliberalism 6/1 Strong and Stable 6/1 Westminster Bubble 8/1 Nuclear War 10/1 Twitter 10/1 Arsenal 16/1 Centrist Dad 16/1 Looney Tunes 16/1 Exotic Spresm 20/1 Owen Jones 20/1 Reactionary Forces 20/1 The Absolute Boy 25/1 Corbyn Superfan 33/1
Grotesque and chaos? Is Corbyn going to paraphrase Kinnock?
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
Probably a combination of things, but the decline is geographic, mostly in Leave voting areas. This reflects the generally poor economic prospects in these places. The overall effect is masked by continued rise in longevity in more economically fortunate areas.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
Probably a combination of things, but the decline is geographic, mostly in Leave voting areas. This reflects the generally poor economic prospects in these places. The overall effect is masked by continued rise in longevity in more economically fortunate areas.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
Probably a combination of things, but the decline is geographic, mostly in Leave voting areas. This reflects the generally poor economic prospects in these places. The overall effect is masked by continued rise in longevity in more economically fortunate areas.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
After Chairman Corbyn's wise decision to nationalise the seasons, no more will we suffer rainstorms in summer, or prolonged cold spells in winter. Thank goodness the wise and benevolent Supreme Leader has spared us from the evil Tory chaos of the weather!
Anyone on any of these JC speech specials? Twitter and Hard Working Families look value. https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/jeremy-corbyn-specials/224911182/ Brexit 1/100 NHS 1/20 For the Many 1/10 Chaos 1/3 Trump 1/2 Clause Four Evens Grotesque Evens Scotland Evens Transformative Evens Boris 6/4 DUP 2/1 Dead as a Dodo 2/1 Momentum 2/1 Peoples Vote 2/1 Fat Cats 5/2 Bill Shankly 3/1 Fake News 3/1 Jacob Rees-Mogg 3/1 Sadiq Khan 3/1 Blair 4/1 Israel 4/1 Hard Working Families 5/1 Magic Money Tree 5/1 NATO 5/1 Prepare for Government 5/1 Right Wing Media 5/1 Zombie 5/1 Neoliberalism 6/1 Strong and Stable 6/1 Westminster Bubble 8/1 Nuclear War 10/1 Twitter 10/1 Arsenal 16/1 Centrist Dad 16/1 Looney Tunes 16/1 Exotic Spresm 20/1 Owen Jones 20/1 Reactionary Forces 20/1 The Absolute Boy 25/1 Corbyn Superfan 33/1
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Not convinced this will have the effect the Chinese intend, perhaps better to be more subtle and let Iowans draw their own conclusions about why Chinese orders are down this year...
Jeremy Corbyn has used the word grotesque in the past. Not an evens bet though.
Twitter at 10/1 is worth a sporting bet.
Westminster Bubble at 8/1 is probably value but he may well use some synonym instead.
Yeah I like Twitter for the odds offered, as he may well give a shout out to social media supporters. As a single word it's also less susceptible to losing to an alternative formulation (the 'close but no cigar' loser when he says 'bubble in Westminster').
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
I, too, think Rickard’s comments were problematic, but not for the reasons anyone else seems to. Here’s my problem. Rickard is wrong: a lot of four-year-olds are right evil little shits.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
I'm just reading a book on ancient China that contains a quote from Han Fei, who railed against "stupid scholars in the world [who] do not know the actual conditions of order and chaos but chatter nonsense and chant too many hackneyed old books to disturb the government of the present age."
A quote to be thrown at anyone who tries to claim Mao or Marx are in any way relevant nowadays. Say, the present shadow chancellor.
(I'm unsure Han Fei was particularly a good role model tbh)
40 seconds of ovation for Starmer! Maybe he can win without the syllables. Offer to euthanise Hartlepool and it should be in the bag
There are 22,000 Labour voters in Hartlepool. They are your comrades.
I hope somebody is posting all this Lefty sneering about Hartlepool - in Hartlepool.
They are lovely folk. I have told this before, but seems apposite to tell it again. I went with some mates to see a rare bird in Hartlepool. (Because of it's location it attracts more than its fair share of mega-rare birds.) As a group of us were wandering round, carrying tens of thousands of pounds worth of binoculars, telescopes, cameras and long lenses, a gang of dodgy local lads on bikes came up and surrounded us.
Wha' yer doin?"
A worried pause.
Looking for a rare bird, we explained (an Orphean Warbler, for both of you who are interested). We also explained we had come a long way to see it.
A pause. "Well, I hope yus gets to see it like. Safe journey home!" And off they went...
40 seconds of ovation for Starmer! Maybe he can win without the syllables. Offer to euthanise Hartlepool and it should be in the bag
There are 22,000 Labour voters in Hartlepool. They are your comrades.
I hope somebody is posting all this Lefty sneering about Hartlepool - in Hartlepool.
They are lovely folk. I have told this before, but seems apposite to tell it again. I went with some mates to see a rare bird in Hartlepool. (Because of it's location it attracts more than its fair share of mega-rare birds.) As a group of us were wandering round, carrying tens of thousands of pounds worth of binoculars, telescopes, cameras and long lenses, a gang of dodgy local lads on bikes came up and surrounded us.
Wha' yer doin?"
A worried pause.
Looking for a rare bird, we explained (an Orphean Warbler, for both of you who are interested). We also explained we had come a long way to see it.
A pause. "Well, I hope yus gets to see it like. Safe journey home!" And off they went...
Great Hartlepool anecdote - went there, didn't get mugged.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
And who do you think moves in to replace them, when the property market in these places stagnates?
So Keir Starmer has said to the EU-do not offer the UK anything. Within weeks we may get a second referendum and a Remain vote. Is that it or have I missed something?
Fair comment. The political damage to labour in leave areas could be severe
I doubt that. Brexit is not a very salient issue for Labour voters - whether they voted Leave or Remain.
Tell that to labour mps in leave areas
If Labour come out firmly for Remain, it seems to me that they would gain and lose similar numbers of votes.
I think the polling suggests it would be a vote winner, but of course who knows really? It might be just the thing the Tories need to recapture UKIP voters.
That said - Labour may not have a choice. Corbyn has done pretty well to hold back 80%+ of his members, but ultimately the ambiguity may not be sustainable.
Isn't the salient question where those votes will move? If it's more votes in inner-city London and less votes in the midlands or the suburban north that's not a trade that would want.
ICM suggest this would be a vote winner in marginal constituencies but I've not seen the analysis in detail.
Those are interesting findings. They suggest that Leave is not very salient to Labour voters even in Leave areas. Naturally that doesn't mean that there are not lots of non-Labour voters for whom it IS salient. But there doesn't seem to be a big pile of Labour votes to be lost by Starmer's line.
"Terracotta Warriors" by Edward Burman. The little 'un is fascinated by them at the moment, so I bought it so I could learn a little about them myself.
40 seconds of ovation for Starmer! Maybe he can win without the syllables. Offer to euthanise Hartlepool and it should be in the bag
There are 22,000 Labour voters in Hartlepool. They are your comrades.
I hope somebody is posting all this Lefty sneering about Hartlepool - in Hartlepool.
They are lovely folk. I have told this before, but seems apposite to tell it again. I went with some mates to see a rare bird in Hartlepool. (Because of it's location it attracts more than its fair share of mega-rare birds.) As a group of us were wandering round, carrying tens of thousands of pounds worth of binoculars, telescopes, cameras and long lenses, a gang of dodgy local lads on bikes came up and surrounded us.
Wha' yer doin?"
A worried pause.
Looking for a rare bird, we explained (an Orphean Warbler, for both of you who are interested). We also explained we had come a long way to see it.
A pause. "Well, I hope yus gets to see it like. Safe journey home!" And off they went...
Great Hartlepool anecdote - went there, didn't get mugged.
Got a cheery welcome and best wishes.
Not exactly looking forward to going for a twitch of a rare bird in the moped-mugging hell of Remain-voting London.
40 seconds of ovation for Starmer! Maybe he can win without the syllables. Offer to euthanise Hartlepool and it should be in the bag
There are 22,000 Labour voters in Hartlepool. They are your comrades.
I hope somebody is posting all this Lefty sneering about Hartlepool - in Hartlepool.
They are lovely folk. I have told this before, but seems apposite to tell it again. I went with some mates to see a rare bird in Hartlepool. (Because of it's location it attracts more than its fair share of mega-rare birds.) As a group of us were wandering round, carrying tens of thousands of pounds worth of binoculars, telescopes, cameras and long lenses, a gang of dodgy local lads on bikes came up and surrounded us.
Wha' yer doin?"
A worried pause.
Looking for a rare bird, we explained (an Orphean Warbler, for both of you who are interested). We also explained we had come a long way to see it.
A pause. "Well, I hope yus gets to see it like. Safe journey home!" And off they went...
Great Hartlepool anecdote - went there, didn't get mugged.
Got a cheery welcome and best wishes.
Not exactly looking forward to going for a twitch of a rare bird in the moped-mugging hell of Remain-voting London.
I, too, think Rickard’s comments were problematic, but not for the reasons anyone else seems to. Here’s my problem. Rickard is wrong: a lot of four-year-olds are right evil little shits.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
That’s not a customs union, that’s a single country.
A customs union is 3+ countries grouping together saying let’s collaborate in establishing a common external tariff
It can be just two countries, but you're right - the defining feature of a customs union is that it eliminates tariff and rules of origin barriers internally and has a common external tariff (i.e. a common trade policy). It does not say anything about whether the external tariff is higher or lower than it would be if the members ran independent trade policies, and even if the customs union had a policy of unilateral free trade with the rest of the world, it would still serve a purpose because of rules of origin.
Why don’t you go and find an example of a customs union with a unilateral free trade policy then?
See you later 😎
You won't find any large countries with a policy of unilateral free trade either so that's a spurious point.
A customs union tears down walls within it; it says nothing about how high the walls with the rest of the world are.
You’re discussing theory. I’m looking at practical reality.
Ask a proper free trader what they think of customs unions and - at best - you’ll get very tepid approval
Opposition to customs unions is based on ideological objections to pooled sovereignty, not on any practical objections to the trade policies that result from them.
The time I spent studying the Zollverein convinced me they were bad in principle
Beggar thy neighbour is not a good philosophy for life
According to wiki, objectives 1 and 3 we’re screwing the Austrians and the French respectively. Objective 2 was making the economy work better
That's like saying that mercantilism is an argument against nation states. If the Zollverein had instead been a unified nation state pursuing the same policies, what difference would it have made?
Why replicate the worst behaviour of nation states on a regional basis?
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
My uncle had some Chinese stuff, including a smaller scale (ahem) terracotta warrior and one or two artwork scrolls.
I've bought him a box set of five warriors, each about five inches high. They're beautiful and only cost about fifteen quid. Amazing value, and he loves them.
For several years the party conferences have been taking place earlier than was previously the case. I recall that the Tory Conference usually coincided with Thatcher's birthday - 13th October - with Labour having had theirs at the beginning of the month. Any idea as to why they appear to have been brought forward?
Do you don’t have the optics of a short parliamentary session after the summer and then another “holiday” for the conferences. I believe.
That’s not a customs union, that’s a single country.
A customs union is 3+ countries grouping together saying let’s collaborate in establishing a common external tariff
It can be just two countries, but you're right - the defining feature of a customs union is that it eliminates tariff and rules of origin barriers internally and has a common external tariff (i.e. a common trade policy). It does not say anything about whether the external tariff is higher or lower than it would be if the members ran independent trade policies, and even if the customs union had a policy of unilateral free trade with the rest of the world, it would still serve a purpose because of rules of origin.
Why don’t you go and find an example of a customs union with a unilateral free trade policy then?
See you later 😎
You won't find any large countries with a policy of unilateral free trade either so that's a spurious point.
A customs union tears down walls within it; it says nothing about how high the walls with the rest of the world are.
You’re discussing theory. I’m looking at practical reality.
Ask a proper free trader what they think of customs unions and - at best - you’ll get very tepid approval
Opposition to customs unions is based on ideological objections to pooled sovereignty, not on any practical objections to the trade policies that result from them.
The time I spent studying the Zollverein convinced me they were bad in principle
Beggar thy neighbour is not a good philosophy for life
According to wiki, objectives 1 and 3 we’re screwing the Austrians and the French respectively. Objective 2 was making the economy work better
That's like saying that mercantilism is an argument against nation states. If the Zollverein had instead been a unified nation state pursuing the same policies, what difference would it have made?
Why replicate the worst behaviour of nation states on a regional basis?
The EU doesn't do that. It has a lower average external tariff than Norway, for example, and it guarantees free trade between the likes of France, Germany and Italy, which is something that is both very desirable and shouldn't be taken for granted.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
That’s not a customs union, that’s a single country.
A customs union is 3+ countries grouping together saying let’s collaborate in establishing a common external tariff
It can be just two countries, but you're right - the defining feature of a customs union is that it eliminates tariff and rules of origin barriers internally and has a common external tariff (i.e. a common trade policy). It does not say anything about whether the external tariff is higher or lower than it would be if the members ran independent trade policies, and even if the customs union had a policy of unilateral free trade with the rest of the world, it would still serve a purpose because of rules of origin.
Why don’t you go and find an example of a customs union with a unilateral free trade policy then?
See you later 😎
You won't find any large countries with a policy of unilateral free trade either so that's a spurious point.
A customs union tears down walls within it; it says nothing about how high the walls with the rest of the world are.
You’re discussing theory. I’m looking at practical reality.
Ask a proper free trader what they think of customs unions and - at best - you’ll get very tepid approval
Opposition to customs unions is based on ideological objections to pooled sovereignty, not on any practical objections to the trade policies that result from them.
The time I spent studying the Zollverein convinced me they were bad in principle
Beggar thy neighbour is not a good philosophy for life
According to wiki, objectives 1 and 3 we’re screwing the Austrians and the French respectively. Objective 2 was making the economy work better
That's like saying that mercantilism is an argument against nation states. If the Zollverein had instead been a unified nation state pursuing the same policies, what difference would it have made?
Why replicate the worst behaviour of nation states on a regional basis?
The EU doesn't do that. It has a lower average external tariff than Norway, for example, and it guarantees free trade between the likes of France, Germany and Italy, which is something that is both very desirable and shouldn't be taken for granted.
Two years ago, Roman Abramovich, one of the world’s richest men, took action to set up residence in the Alps. The Swiss State Secretariat for Migration (SEM) confirms that the billionaire filed «an application for a residence permit.» In July 2016 the 51-year-old Russian applied for a residence permit in Canton Valais. He also approached the head of the Swiss federal police personally to insist that it be granted. But in fact the migration authorities were about to turn the high-profile move down.
One of the reasons given by Federal Office of Police, or Fedpol, is suspicion of money laundering. According to them, Abramovich allegedly also has contacts to criminal organizations. The police view his presence in Switzerland as a danger to public security and to Switzerland’s reputation. However the police have given no indication of the basis for their claims. They therefore cannot be verified. Abramovich himself vehemently denies all the allegations.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
And who do you think moves in to replace them, when the property market in these places stagnates?
Nobody.
The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white Britons.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
And who do you think moves in to replace them, when the property market in these places stagnates?
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
And who do you think moves in to replace them, when the property market in these places stagnates?
Often nobody...hence declining populations.
Or people who don't voluntarily appear on the census/electoral roll.....
Why replicate the worst behaviour of nation states on a regional basis?
The EU doesn't do that. It has a lower average external tariff than Norway, for example, and it guarantees free trade between the likes of France, Germany and Italy, which is something that is both very desirable and shouldn't be taken for granted.
Why does the EU have any external tariffs ?
Because that's the reality of the way global trade works. I think the only places in the world that don't have any are Hong Kong and Macau.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
Why replicate the worst behaviour of nation states on a regional basis?
The EU doesn't do that. It has a lower average external tariff than Norway, for example, and it guarantees free trade between the likes of France, Germany and Italy, which is something that is both very desirable and shouldn't be taken for granted.
Why does the EU have any external tariffs ?
Because that's the reality of the way global trade works. .
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
1) I'll take the ONS figures, as a regular dataset compiled in the same way over some years who disagree. "The researchers noted that previous research suggested that some of the decline may be due to decreases in funding to health and social care, but said further work was needed to test this idea." Made without any basis whatseover, none. An assertion.
But when someone says life expectancy has dropped by a year, thats Diane Abbot level of change. It's either a sampling error, a consequence of picking a sub sample, or some demographic change you cannot get that kind of change without something more dramatic happening.
You dont get those kinds of changes from one period to the next.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Declining populations where the young and talented move away, so yes.
And who do you think moves in to replace them, when the property market in these places stagnates?
Often nobody...hence declining populations.
These towns should be left to empty - as they are in the USA "ghost towns" - propping up is just socialist folly. Let the market work..
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
1) I'll take the ONS figures, as a regular dataset compiled in the same way over some years who disagree. "The researchers noted that previous research suggested that some of the decline may be due to decreases in funding to health and social care, but said further work was needed to test this idea." Made without any basis whatseover, none. An assertion.
But when someone says life expectancy has dropped by a year, thats Diane Abbot level of change. It's either a sampling error, a consequence of picking a sub sample, or some demographic change you cannot get that kind of change without something more dramatic happening.
You dont get those kinds of changes from one period to the next.
Could there be a new Harold Shipman type figure operating in the area?
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
That dodgy teaching assistant, who was described as a teacher and doesnt seem to be either, who said he could teach good values to children and we wouldnt haver any tories anymore. Apparently he is now the victim because of the "right wing press". From the podium theyve just sent him an applause of solidarity. FFS.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How come, but it will still
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
I think the population has dropped due to deindustrialisation and the ‘brightest and best’ of the younger generation moving elsewhere.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
1) I'll take the ONS figures, as a regular dataset compiled in the same way over some years who disagree. "The researchers noted that previous research suggested that some of the decline may be due to decreases in funding to health and social care, but said further work was needed to test this idea." Made without any basis whatseover, none. An assertion.
But when someone says life expectancy has dropped by a year, thats Diane Abbot level of change. It's either a sampling error, a consequence of picking a sub sample, or some demographic change you cannot get that kind of change without something more dramatic happening.
You dont get those kinds of changes from one period to the next.
These are the ONS spreadsheets of reional life expectancy by year and local authority. Hartlepool has indeed dropped. Line 13 second sheet.
Meanwhile, of course, we already know that the Conservatives didn't respect the result of the 2015 General Election. Less than two years afterwards, they announced another vote, despite not having actioned the majority of their platform from the 2015 vote, and without one being remotely due.
That dodgy teaching assistant, who was described as a teacher and doesnt seem to be either, who said he could teach good values to children and we wouldnt haver any tories anymore. Apparently he is now the victim because of the "right wing press". From the podium theyve just sent him an applause of solidarity. FFS.
That dodgy teaching assistant, who was described as a teacher and doesnt seem to be either, who said he could teach good values to children and we wouldnt haver any tories anymore. Apparently he is now the victim because of the "right wing press". From the podium theyve just sent him an applause of solidarity. FFS.
Anyone who attends a Labour conference who is not a member of the press should be on a register.
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Is there any problem which you believe brown immigrants are not the cause of?
Off topic, but a very interesting discussion on WATO. Apparently life expectancy falling in UK, and infant mortality up for a second year in a row, for the first time since WW2. At odds with comparable countries. No one seems to know why.
How about, because we have imported a shed load of people from very impoverished countries where the life expectany is way lower. Those people are now dying. They may live here 10 years longer than they would if they had not come, but it will still be many years less than the native population. So average life expectancy falls.
No, it doesn't seem to be that. As per my links the decline is in mostly white British populated post industrial areas.
But aren't they the very areas that have suffered from white flight?
Is there any problem which you believe brown immigrants are not the cause of?
Spends all his time actively seeking out avian immigrants but not so welcoming of human ones.
Thanks for that, fascinating looking through those figures, the case for a general levelling out across the country is there, with the only places that have any real statistical change been in the same area roughly of the north east.
Looking overall the average improvement in life expectancy over the last sixteen years seems to be 3.3 years. Just having a little look between the improvements, that seems to hold for most places.
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1044534185556418560?s=21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/life-expectancy-uk-plumments-ons-data-hartlepool-torridge-amber-valley-barnsley-a8164171.html
After Chairman Corbyn's wise decision to nationalise the seasons, no more will we suffer rainstorms in summer, or prolonged cold spells in winter. Thank goodness the wise and benevolent Supreme Leader has spared us from the evil Tory chaos of the weather!
Twitter at 10/1 is worth a sporting bet.
Westminster Bubble at 8/1 is probably value but he may well use some synonym instead.
The end result of some appalling corporate behaviour over the years.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-23/china-looks-to-influence-iowa-in-trade-war-over-trump-tariffs
Not convinced this will have the effect the Chinese intend, perhaps better to be more subtle and let Iowans draw their own conclusions about why Chinese orders are down this year...
https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/09/four-year-old-pretty-likely-be-tory-conservative-labour-conference-children
Normally called Damien....
I'm just reading a book on ancient China that contains a quote from Han Fei, who railed against "stupid scholars in the world [who] do not know the actual conditions of order and chaos but chatter nonsense and chant too many hackneyed old books to disturb the government of the present age."
A quote to be thrown at anyone who tries to claim Mao or Marx are in any way relevant nowadays. Say, the present shadow chancellor.
(I'm unsure Han Fei was particularly a good role model tbh)
They are lovely folk. I have told this before, but seems apposite to tell it again. I went with some mates to see a rare bird in Hartlepool. (Because of it's location it attracts more than its fair share of mega-rare birds.) As a group of us were wandering round, carrying tens of thousands of pounds worth of binoculars, telescopes, cameras and long lenses, a gang of dodgy local lads on bikes came up and surrounded us.
Wha' yer doin?"
A worried pause.
Looking for a rare bird, we explained (an Orphean Warbler, for both of you who are interested). We also explained we had come a long way to see it.
A pause. "Well, I hope yus gets to see it like. Safe journey home!" And off they went...
What larks..
Not exactly looking forward to going for a twitch of a rare bird in the moped-mugging hell of Remain-voting London.
My uncle had some Chinese stuff, including a smaller scale (ahem) terracotta warrior and one or two artwork scrolls.
The infant mortality increases last year were no such thing, it was a statistical artefact in how children born dead were getting recorded. I think it was More or Less that showed it was a load of nonsense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p069jd0p
And was the life expectancy 'falls', are they like NHS cuts? They arent falls, just reductions in increases? Has life expectancy in the UK dropped?
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Good programme, More or Less!
Details of MEPs’ €4,416-a-month expenses to remain secret, court rules
Shame. Agree with the Finnish MEP who is campaigning against secrecy.
https://twitter.com/AndyMansh/status/1044587683526324225
The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white Britons.
https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/07/increase-in-uk-life-spans-stalling-at-one-of-fastest-rates-among-20-leading-economies
Dangerous behaviour.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/uk-life-expectancy-drops-while-other-western-countries-improve/
According to the ONS, life expectancy in Hartlepool has dropped by 12 months for example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/life-expectancy-uk-plumments-ons-data-hartlepool-torridge-amber-valley-barnsley-a8164171.html
"The researchers noted that previous research suggested that some of the decline may be due to decreases in funding to health and social care, but said further work was needed to test this idea."
Made without any basis whatseover, none. An assertion.
But when someone says life expectancy has dropped by a year, thats Diane Abbot level of change. It's either a sampling error, a consequence of picking a sub sample, or some demographic change you cannot get that kind of change without something more dramatic happening.
You dont get those kinds of changes from one period to the next.
I’m not sure what you are talking about....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/datasets/lifeexpectancyatbirthandatage65bylocalareasuk
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Thanks for that, fascinating looking through those figures, the case for a general levelling out across the country is there, with the only places that have any real statistical change been in the same area roughly of the north east.
Looking overall the average improvement in life expectancy over the last sixteen years seems to be 3.3 years. Just having a little look between the improvements, that seems to hold for most places.