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Of course you are not and I voted remain but support Brexit as it is the democratic thing to do. I do not, however, support a hard Brexit or Boristwistedfirestopper3 said:
Big G, you vote for 'em, you own 'em. I voted for Brexit, I'm a racist, xenophobic little Englander.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boristwistedfirestopper3 said:
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not saying I am a half wit are youtwistedfirestopper3 said:
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?Beverley_C said:
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three?Beverley_C said:
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?twistedfirestopper3 said:What's the point of the Lib Dems?
Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.0 -
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Italy, Winpoll poll:
LEGA-ENF: 35% (+18)
M5S-EFDD: 26% (-7)
PD-S&D: 21% (+2)
FI-EPP: 7% (-7)
FdI-*: 4%
LeU-S&D: 2% (-1)
+E-ALDE: 2% (-1)
Field work: 6/09/18 – 7/09/18
Sample size: 1,500"0 -
Those SpaceX rockets do what they are meant to do, and it's fucking awesome. Similarly PayPal works whenever I use it, and rcs seems to like his tesla. If musk is an underachieving nebbish (and if these aren't really his achievements its odd that we don't hear from their genuine authors) I wish we had more of them.Charles said:
So bollocks thenFrancisUrquhart said:
$20bn figure is from Forbes rich listCharles said:
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)Andrew said:
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).FrancisUrquhart said:Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
SpaceX is a vanity
Do you have evidence for him being worth $20bn?
He’s a hypster and a promoter not a businessman
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/2/
(Probably based on a high price for Tesla a stupid number for SpaceX and some puff from Musk)0 -
No, the end of days is here already - because a Tory got elected in Eckington!SandyRentool said:
So we have *literally* descended to reporting on the results of parish council by-elections.Pulpstar said:Lee Rowley most likely holds NE Derbyshire whatever else happens at the next GE I think.
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/conservatives-make-history-in-eckington-1-9339732
The end of days must be close.0 -
Negotiated by TM is fine by meMortimer said:
Big G, Hard Brexit was in the 2017 manifesto. It isn’t a fantasy; it’s government policy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boristwistedfirestopper3 said:
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not saying I am a half wit are youtwistedfirestopper3 said:
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?Beverley_C said:
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three?Beverley_C said:
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?twistedfirestopper3 said:What's the point of the Lib Dems?
Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.0 -
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
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One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations, plus they now own Solar City, so have the solar panel and battery tech to produce power.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.0 -
Envy, perhaps ?Ishmael_Z said:
Those SpaceX rockets do what they are meant to do, and it's fucking awesome. Similarly PayPal works whenever I use it, and rcs seems to like his tesla. If musk is an underachieving nebbish (and if these aren't really his achievements its odd that we don't hear from their genuine authors) I wish we had more of them.Charles said:
So bollocks thenFrancisUrquhart said:
$20bn figure is from Forbes rich listCharles said:
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)Andrew said:
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).FrancisUrquhart said:Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
SpaceX is a vanity
Do you have evidence for him being worth $20bn?
He’s a hypster and a promoter not a businessman
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/2/
(Probably based on a high price for Tesla a stupid number for SpaceX and some puff from Musk)
Which considering what a prize pill Musk is, would be odd.
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That is a huge jump. What does it do for Italian politics and the EUAndyJS said:"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Italy, Winpoll poll:
LEGA-ENF: 35% (+18)
M5S-EFDD: 26% (-7)
PD-S&D: 21% (+2)
FI-EPP: 7% (-7)
FdI-*: 4%
LeU-S&D: 2% (-1)
+E-ALDE: 2% (-1)
Field work: 6/09/18 – 7/09/18
Sample size: 1,500"0 -
Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.0 -
According to Tim Shipman it was Marina Wheeler and Michael Gove who talked Boris into backing Brexit in the first place.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.0 -
And against labour in Inverkeithing, Gordon Brown's back yardMarqueeMark said:
No, the end of days is here already - because a Tory got elected in Eckington!SandyRentool said:
So we have *literally* descended to reporting on the results of parish council by-elections.Pulpstar said:Lee Rowley most likely holds NE Derbyshire whatever else happens at the next GE I think.
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/conservatives-make-history-in-eckington-1-9339732
The end of days must be close.0 -
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1038170580875452416Cyclefree said:Delightful trolling by the government, announcing their proposed divorce law reforms on the same day Boris announces his second divorce.
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They certainly had an impact.williamglenn said:
According to Tim Shipman it was Marina Wheeler and Michael Gove who talking Boris into backing Brexit in the first place.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.0 -
Could be....but in the grand scheme of things the charging station network is small beer in terms of cost, but could be incredibly valuable.Foxy said:
Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.
Musk certainly couldn't have got where he is with Tesla or SpaceX without massive government funding (and a point well made on Freakonomics podcast the other week). However, until a lot of other companies that Obama administration pumped money into Elon Musk's get shit done attitude has produced these amazing cars and rockets, and in doing so pushing the envelope of what is technically possible.
I think it was around 50 companies that got large green energy companies from Obama's administration went bust.0 -
You need to let go of Boris.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
He'd be an absolute disaster.0 -
It was smart, but the smartest thing he did was build his own battery factory, which is for now the limiting factor. The major western auto manufacturers are half a decade behind - which might, or might not, be long enoughFrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations, plus they now own Solar City, so have the solar panel and battery tech to produce power.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.
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But in the modern era prime movers get a lot of important IP and can then spend the next few decades licensing that IP or suing their would-be competitors.Foxy said:Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.
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Well he shouldn't court publicity in the first place. The weekend press will have a field day if the reports in the mail are trueHYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
He has been a dickhead in public office enough times to make his private life dickheadedness superfluous.Casino_Royale said:
You need to let go of Boris.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
He'd be an absolute disaster.0 -
I think I have the solution to all this problem of entryists and ideologicial extremism..
We need a new political party with NO MEMBERS.
It would surely sweep the board at the next election.0 -
Good question.twistedfirestopper3 said:
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?Beverley_C said:
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three?Beverley_C said:
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?twistedfirestopper3 said:What's the point of the Lib Dems?
Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
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Which other rocket companies don’t subsist on government money ?FrancisUrquhart said:
Could be....but in the grand scheme of things the charging station network is small beer in terms of cost, but could be incredibly valuable.Foxy said:
Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.
Musk certainly couldn't have got where he is with Tesla or SpaceX without massive government funding (and a point well made on Freakonomics podcast the other week)....
The investment ought to save the US government many times their outlay in future launch costs.
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Corbyn would be an even worse one and to be blunt I struggle to see any other Tory leader bar Boris who could win a majority against CorbynCasino_Royale said:
You need to let go of Boris.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
He'd be an absolute disaster.0 -
The broadsheets less soBig_G_NorthWales said:
Well he shouldn't court publicity in the first place. The weekend press will have a field day if the reports in the mail are trueHYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
I don't follow.Nigelb said:
Envy, perhaps ?Ishmael_Z said:
Those SpaceX rockets do what they are meant to do, and it's fucking awesome. Similarly PayPal works whenever I use it, and rcs seems to like his tesla. If musk is an underachieving nebbish (and if these aren't really his achievements its odd that we don't hear from their genuine authors) I wish we had more of them.Charles said:
So bollocks thenFrancisUrquhart said:
$20bn figure is from Forbes rich listCharles said:
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)Andrew said:
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).FrancisUrquhart said:Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
SpaceX is a vanity
Do you have evidence for him being worth $20bn?
He’s a hypster and a promoter not a businessman
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/2/
(Probably based on a high price for Tesla a stupid number for SpaceX and some puff from Musk)
Which considering what a prize pill Musk is, would be odd.0 -
Maybe the brexit entryists (ie Aaron Banks) should look at the liberal democrats.0
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Fair enough; I’m more concerned about the policy than the personnel.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Negotiated by TM is fine by meMortimer said:
Big G, Hard Brexit was in the 2017 manifesto. It isn’t a fantasy; it’s government policy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boristwistedfirestopper3 said:
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not saying I am a half wit are youtwistedfirestopper3 said:
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?Beverley_C said:
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three?Beverley_C said:
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?twistedfirestopper3 said:What's the point of the Lib Dems?
Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.0 -
I'm impressed by what Musk has achieved, but that doesn't stop him from being a prat. I do worry that he's heading for an epic nervous breakdown, which potentially will be damaging for both Tesla and SpaceX, which would be a shame.0
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Just speculating on the basis of Charles’ opinions on Musk, FWIW.Ishmael_Z said:
I don't follow.Nigelb said:
Envy, perhaps ?Ishmael_Z said:
Those SpaceX rockets do what they are meant to do, and it's fucking awesome. Similarly PayPal works whenever I use it, and rcs seems to like his tesla. If musk is an underachieving nebbish (and if these aren't really his achievements its odd that we don't hear from their genuine authors) I wish we had more of them.Charles said:
So bollocks thenFrancisUrquhart said:
$20bn figure is from Forbes rich listCharles said:
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)Andrew said:
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).FrancisUrquhart said:Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
SpaceX is a vanity
Do you have evidence for him being worth $20bn?
He’s a hypster and a promoter not a businessman
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/2/
(Probably based on a high price for Tesla a stupid number for SpaceX and some puff from Musk)
Which considering what a prize pill Musk is, would be odd.
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But you are possessed with Boris. When the time comes there will be plenty of fresher faces ready to take the party on. If Boris won he would split the party asunderHYUFD said:
Corbyn would be an even worse one and to be blunt I struggle to see any other Tory leader bar Boris who could win a majority against CorbynCasino_Royale said:
You need to let go of Boris.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
He'd be an absolute disaster.
CR is right on this.
Margot James has just said on Sky he is not suitable to be PM0 -
Geert Wilders party in NL only has one official member, him. Even the MP;s for his party are not members. The reason why is that he knew the nutters and racists would join and then the party would be open to criticism.Richard_Nabavi said:I think I have the solution to all this problem of entryists and ideologicial extremism..
We need a new political party with NO MEMBERS.
It would surely sweep the board at the next election.0 -
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
Sky News Data Poll out tonight
'Is Boris Johnson's divorce relevant to whether he should be PM?'
No 72% Yes 21%
https://news.sky.com/story/most-people-think-boris-johnsons-divorce-doesnt-matter-sky-data-poll-11492667
If this is the poll the Daily Mail is talking about one of the most ridiculously spun headlines we have ever seen!0 -
I don't know if how he was on Joe Rogan podcast is how he is normally, or if all the 120hr a week living in the Tesla factory had taken his toll.OblitusSumMe said:I'm impressed by what Musk has achieved, but that doesn't stop him from being a prat. I do worry that he's heading for an epic nervous breakdown, which potentially will be damaging for both Tesla and SpaceX, which would be a shame.
The most revealing line he came out with was when Rogan was on a mega hero worship and basically said everybody wants to be you, and he said something along the lines of you wouldn't, its terrible. He genuinely sounded troubled....he put it down to what he said was his brain not being able to switch off and constantly thinking of new ideas, but I wonder.0 -
Boris for Leader!!!! Trebles all roundBig_G_NorthWales said:.... If Boris won he would split the party asunder
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Blue Origin has had very little government money, especially compared to the billions that Bezos is pumping in. That might change if they win one of the new Air Force contracts.Nigelb said:
Which other rocket companies don’t subsist on government money ?FrancisUrquhart said:
Could be....but in the grand scheme of things the charging station network is small beer in terms of cost, but could be incredibly valuable.Foxy said:
Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.
Musk certainly couldn't have got where he is with Tesla or SpaceX without massive government funding (and a point well made on Freakonomics podcast the other week)....
The investment ought to save the US government many times their outlay in future launch costs.0 -
Let him go - he ain't going to be PMHYUFD said:Sky News Data Poll out tonight
'Is Boris Johnson's divorce relevant to whether he should be PM?'
No 72% Yes 21%
https://news.sky.com/story/most-people-think-boris-johnsons-divorce-doesnt-matter-sky-data-poll-11492667
If this is the poll the Daily Mail is talking about one of the most ridiculously spun headlines we have ever seen!0 -
A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html0 -
The Tories are well on their way.Richard_Nabavi said:I think I have the solution to all this problem of entryists and ideologicial extremism..
We need a new political party with NO MEMBERS.
It would surely sweep the board at the next election.0 -
Unless a Tory voteshare under Boris v Corbyn Labour poll utterly irrelevant as all those 30% could be lifelong Labour or LD votersTheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html
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Yep, we're ahead of the game, We always were good at adapting to new realities.Jonathan said:
The Tories are well on their way.Richard_Nabavi said:I think I have the solution to all this problem of entryists and ideologicial extremism..
We need a new political party with NO MEMBERS.
It would surely sweep the board at the next election.0 -
Margot James is almost as diehard a Remainer as Anna SoubryBig_G_NorthWales said:
But you are possessed with Boris. When the time comes there will be plenty of fresher faces ready to take the party on. If Boris won he would split the party asunderHYUFD said:
Corbyn would be an even worse one and to be blunt I struggle to see any other Tory leader bar Boris who could win a majority against CorbynCasino_Royale said:
You need to let go of Boris.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
He'd be an absolute disaster.
CR is right on this.
Margot James has just said on Sky he is not suitable to be PM0 -
Fair point, but they’re not launching anyone’s stuff yet.JosiasJessop said:
Blue Origin has had very little government money, especially compared to the billions that Bezos is pumping in. That might change if they win one of the new Air Force contracts.Nigelb said:
Which other rocket companies don’t subsist on government money ?FrancisUrquhart said:
Could be....but in the grand scheme of things the charging station network is small beer in terms of cost, but could be incredibly valuable.Foxy said:
Or it could be like the Victorian railway boom, with all the prime movers losing their shirts, and others picking up the assets at fire sale prices.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the smartest things (and potentially incredibly valuable) that Musk has done with Tesla, is the charging stations. He has built a network of them and in prime locations.
Should electric cars became the norm, he has already got a massive head start in technology and infrastructure. He could in theory leverage that will all the other car companies and effectively become the equivalent of Chevron Gas Stations for electric cars.
Musk certainly couldn't have got where he is with Tesla or SpaceX without massive government funding (and a point well made on Freakonomics podcast the other week)....
The investment ought to save the US government many times their outlay in future launch costs.0 -
That's not fair. The conservatives have many members and funders. It's just that some of them are..well, dead.Jonathan said:
The Tories are well on their way.Richard_Nabavi said:I think I have the solution to all this problem of entryists and ideologicial extremism..
We need a new political party with NO MEMBERS.
It would surely sweep the board at the next election.
Incidentally, given the changes in Labour and Conservative memberships since Brexit...do we have a generational war going on here? Labour is idealistic, naive, jealous of the wealthy and (via antisemitism) little knowledge of history. Conservatives are grumpy, reactionary, keen to hoard to their ain folk and careless of others. That's not traditional politics, it's young versus old.0 -
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
On a more serious note: look at that Telegraph front page. Ignore the stuff about Labour, and look on the right hand of the page. There's a spiffing Matt cartoon, but also an absolutely extraordinary story about the Russian hitmen.0
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On Topic:
I don't know whether my opinion on this is typical or not among fellow Lib Dem members but, for what it's worth, I 100% approve of what I've heard of Cable's plans on this matter (and I'm certainly not a Cable cheerleader by any stretch of the imagination - but this time I think he's got it absolutely right).
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In a different poll today YouGov found more Tory voters thought Boris Johnson was not up to the job of PM than thought he was up to the job. 46% v 39%.HYUFD said:
Unless a Tory voteshare under Boris v Corbyn Labour poll utterly irrelevant as all those 30% could be lifelong Labour or LD votersTheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html
That tells you a lot.
But you ignore things like because they don’t fit your narrative.0 -
Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that. He was Foreign Sec - who is she?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
So, the choices for the next Prime Minister after May are:
Johnson
Rees Mogg
Corbyn
Some fecker who is loosely affiliated to the Lib Dems.
What could go wrong?0 -
It's possible but not easy to be friends with an ex, but it does take a few years cooling off first.twistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
If she was Russian I am sure the Mail would have had about ten pages worth of the storyRichard_Nabavi said:
Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that. He was Foreign Sec - who is she?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
have we not just had a thread about the meaninglessness of answers to more or less likely questions? That looks like a prime example.TheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html0 -
No, I look at the actual head to head polling which is the only polling that really matters as to how the Tories would fare under different leaders.TheScreamingEagles said:
In a different poll today YouGov found more Tory voters thought Boris Johnson was not up to the job of PM than thought he was up to the job. 46% v 39%.HYUFD said:
Unless a Tory voteshare under Boris v Corbyn Labour poll utterly irrelevant as all those 30% could be lifelong Labour or LD votersTheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html
That tells you a lot.
But you ignore things like because they don’t fit your narrative.
As YouGov showed only Boris does better than May v Labour of potential Tory leadership contenders so as long as that continues he remains the likeliest alternative to her, however at the same time she could stay Tory leader through to the next general election as enough Tory MPs do not want to risk Boris or Mogg succeeding her as leader0 -
No doubt. But who is she? I've no idea, but I don't think the Foreign Secretary's bonking breaks (when, according to the Sun, his minders didn't know where he was) are entirely his private affair.HYUFD said:
If she was Russian I am sure the Mail would have had about ten pages worth of the storyRichard_Nabavi said:
Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that. He was Foreign Sec - who is she?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
Yup.Ishmael_Z said:
have we not just had a thread about the meaninglessness of answers to more or less likely questions? That looks like a prime example.TheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html0 -
And that is why TM will stay in post for quite a whiletwistedfirestopper3 said:So, the choices for the next Prime Minister after May are:
Johnson
Rees Mogg
Corbyn
Some fecker who is loosely affiliated to the Lib Dems.
What could go wrong?0 -
You are possessedHYUFD said:
No, I look at the actual head to head polling which is the only polling that really matters as to how the Tories would fare under different leaders.TheScreamingEagles said:
In a different poll today YouGov found more Tory voters thought Boris Johnson was not up to the job of PM than thought he was up to the job. 46% v 39%.HYUFD said:
Unless a Tory voteshare under Boris v Corbyn Labour poll utterly irrelevant as all those 30% could be lifelong Labour or LD votersTheScreamingEagles said:A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html
That tells you a lot.
But you ignore things like because they don’t fit your narrative.
As YouGov showed only Boris does better than May v Labour so as long as that continues he remains the likeliest alternative to her, however at the same time she could stay Tory leader through to the next general election as enough Tory MPs do not want to risk Boris or Mogg succeeding her as leader0 -
BJWNBPMBeverley_C said:
Boris for Leader!!!! Trebles all roundBig_G_NorthWales said:.... If Boris won he would split the party asunder
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Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/
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You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/0 -
+1twistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/0 -
Time to wish everyone a pleasant night's rest
Good night folks0 -
The Mail and the Sun give a lot of clues...Richard_Nabavi said:No doubt. But who is she? I've no idea, but I don't think the Foreign Secretary's bonking breaks (when, according to the Sun, his minders didn't know where he was) are entirely his private affair.
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Yes. No one without the resilience to cope with both at once should be within a mile of the levers of power in the first place. Getting divorced is a complete pita but almost all of us manage to keep buggering on regardless.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/0 -
That’s for an amicable, few assets, no children involved divorce.HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/
I expect theirs will take longer.0 -
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/0 -
I was divorced nearly four years ago and it is still a sore point.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
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But should the country be happy with Boris buggering on regardless?Ishmael_Z said:
Yes. No one without the resilience to cope with both at once should be within a mile of the levers of power in the first place. Getting divorced is a complete pita but almost all of us manage to keep buggering on regardless.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
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Far-right in Italy on 35% in the polls. How did we get here?0
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Do they? The Sun says she's a 'Tory aide', but I'm not in the gossip loop!:williamglenn said:
The Mail and the Sun give a lot of clues...Richard_Nabavi said:No doubt. But who is she? I've no idea, but I don't think the Foreign Secretary's bonking breaks (when, according to the Sun, his minders didn't know where he was) are entirely his private affair.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7205673/boris-johnson-blonde-tory-aide-valentines-day/
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Interesting story from February - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404687/No-10-aide-porn-row-fierce-battle-spin-doctor.html
A fierce battle emerged last night between a No 10 aide caught in a porn row [Gavin Barwell] and a Tory spin doctor with close links to Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.
Carrie Symonds is fighting moves to sack her as the party’s communications chief over claims that she spends too much time promoting the Brexit-backing Ministers and not enough time promoting Theresa May.0 -
Boris is not the average bloke, he is the former Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary and I really don't see what that has got to do with Brexit.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in k/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
Ronald Reagan managed to be an outstanding President despite the fact he was divorced
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Experience tells me the best way to get over someone is to get under someone.twistedfirestopper3 said:
But should the country be happy with Boris buggering on regardless?Ishmael_Z said:
Yes. No one without the resilience to cope with both at once should be within a mile of the levers of power in the first place. Getting divorced is a complete pita but almost all of us manage to keep buggering on regardless.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
It gets easier once they go to university, believe me. Going out for a beer when yer lad is buying is one of the pleasures I was never really sure I'd experience once you legal boys got involved!TheScreamingEagles said:
I was divorced nearly four years ago and it is still a sore point.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/
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As I said. Bot.HYUFD said:
Boris is not the average bloke, he is the former Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary and I really don't see what that has got to do with Brexit.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in k/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
Ronald Reagan managed to be an outstanding President despite the fact he was divorced0 -
Think what you want of me, I will continue to say what I think regardlesstwistedfirestopper3 said:
As I said. Bot.HYUFD said:
Boris is not the average bloke, he is the former Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary and I really don't see what that has got to do with Brexit.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in k/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.
Ronald Reagan managed to be an outstanding President despite the fact he was divorced0 -
Isn't it true that Marina caused Boris's first divorce? She was already pregnant by him at the time IIRC.0
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I'm fairly sure Boris jointly caused the pregnancy...Sunil_Prasannan said:Isn't it true that Marina caused Boris's first divorce? She was already pregnant by him at the time IIRC.
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Having a Labour MP become LibDem leader would have amusement value. Perhaps Tony would like to have a go?0
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Interesting article IMO:
https://quillette.com/2018/09/06/the-system-of-diversity/0 -
Chuka more likely now but he has now replaced David Miliband as Blair's heir anywayNickPalmer said:Having a Labour MP become LibDem leader would have amusement value. Perhaps Tony would like to have a go?
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Divorce is one of those things that everybody underestimates the cost and duration of. Sadly, it is lot like Brexit in that respect.TheScreamingEagles said:
That’s for an amicable, few assets, no children involved divorce.HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in the UK this year is 16-20 weeks, so it will be over before Brexit and May almost certainly stays until next March at least to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and any transition period. It is how long that transition period lasts that is key
https://www.divorce-online.co.uk/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/
I expect theirs will take longer.
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It is the EU’s fault.AndyJS said:Far-right in Italy on 35% in the polls. How did we get here?
The Dublin Convention is clearly the creation of a truly insane organisation.
Was it really not possible to predict that the Dublin Convention would lead to Greece, Italy and Spain bearing much of the burden?
A burden that they think (quite rightly) should be shared by all member states.
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Interesting, thank you. One of the good points was "Never forget that meritocracy is the way smart people want society organised so members of their tribe — other smart people — can escape whatever world they’ve been born into.". I winced at this.AndyJS said:Interesting article IMO:
https://quillette.com/2018/09/06/the-system-of-diversity/0 -
The author of that piece has previously described meritocracy as affirmative action for smart people...viewcode said:
Interesting, thank you. One of the good points was "Never forget that meritocracy is the way smart people want society organised so members of their tribe — other smart people — can escape whatever world they’ve been born into.". I winced at this.AndyJS said:Interesting article IMO:
https://quillette.com/2018/09/06/the-system-of-diversity/0 -
You know this "Boris' leadership chances won't be affected' line of argument?
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1038167886823677952
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/10381619359703040020 -
Horribly true.williamglenn said:
The author of that piece has previously described meritocracy as affirmative action for smart people...viewcode said:
Interesting, thank you. One of the good points was "Never forget that meritocracy is the way smart people want society organised so members of their tribe — other smart people — can escape whatever world they’ve been born into.". I winced at this.AndyJS said:Interesting article IMO:
https://quillette.com/2018/09/06/the-system-of-diversity/0 -
In general terms it is perfectly possible for a politician to have a weakness for affairs and yet be a high minded public servant in his or her political life.
Unfortunately for Boris, every aspect of his life reliably informs every other: Boris the blatantly lying journalist, Boris the ham Machiavellian politician and Boris the bonker behave in exactly the same way and with exactly the same set of motivations. Boris the bonker reflects with crystal clarity upon Boris the politician. Or, as May puts it, Boris is Boris.
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@hunchman was pretty clear that the Russians werem't involved in the Skirpal murders, so I think we should take the government line with a pinch of salt.Richard_Nabavi said:On a more serious note: look at that Telegraph front page. Ignore the stuff about Labour, and look on the right hand of the page. There's a spiffing Matt cartoon, but also an absolutely extraordinary story about the Russian hitmen.
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He'd been married to Nancy for nearly 30 years when he became President. Its not "divorce" that's the issue - its "trust". I also think "domestic stability" in a PM is probably a good thing for their sakes and ours.HYUFD said:
Ronald Reagan managed to be an outstanding President despite the fact he was divorcedtwistedfirestopper3 said:
Look, I obviously know nothing about you, but if you're saying the average bloke copes with a divorce involving children in 20 weeks purely because that is how long the legal aspect takes, then we have nothing to talk about.HYUFD said:
No reporting only to myself here regardless of who disagrees with metwistedfirestopper3 said:
You're some sort of bot, aren't you?HYUFD said:
The average time for a divorce in k/blog/how-long-does-a-divorce-take/twistedfirestopper3 said:
Regardless, it ain't. If he wants to be PM at a time of such national importance as Brexit, should he really have to be dealing with such life changing and potentially debilitating circumstances as divorce?HYUFD said:
Regardless it is their private affairtwistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.HYUFD said:
According to their joint statement it said they will remain friends and support their children, hardly the woman scorned of yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thats funnyScott_P said:
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
As far as I am concerned their private family life, especially with their children involved and having to deal with their parents divorcing as well as all the media coverage too, is their business and provided Boris has not done anything illegal not really something the media should be spending much time commenting on. The French have a much better attitude to this and respect politicians privacy and private lives.0 -
There's a fair amount of luck in it, I think, and it depends a lot on what the relationship was like before. I know one couple where she decided she no longer fancied the chap enough and they sought out others, but they remain close friends and business partners. But it's the exception, sadly.twistedfirestopper3 said:
When I got divorced many years ago, we were going to remain friends and do what was best for the children. Within a week, I'd have paid a Russian nerve agent specialist whatever he wanted to slot her. There is a reason why marriages fail, and it ain't because the unhappily wedded couple want to be friends.0 -
Boris Johnson & Darius Guppy:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/darius-boris-and-a-blast-from-the-past-1658043.html0 -
Milly (Our rabbit as my profile picture), her Dad was named "Boris".CarlottaVance said:You know this "Boris' leadership chances won't be affected' line of argument?
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1038167886823677952
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/10381619359703040020 -
No details...but:
A poll for the Mail suggested Mr Johnson’s divorce could make it harder for the Conservatives to win the next election;
It found that 30 per cent of all voters would be less likely to vote Tory if he was leader – against 21 per cent who said more likely;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6144655/Long-suffering-wife-announces-divorce-amid-claims-Boris-Johnson-caught-cheating.html
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All this stuff about Boris' personal life is highly amusing but it doesn't disqualify him from becoming PM in any way.
Then again I haven't seen anything that particularly qualifies him either.0 -
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