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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967
    Worth a read: a veteran and very experienced Labour activist speaks out about the unpleasantness within the current party:

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2018/08/27/screaming-bullying-laziness-and-voting-for-the-opposition-welcome-to-wirral-labour-party/#more-22020
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583
    RoyalBlue said:

    Orban is not a dictator. It’s absurd to claim otherwise.
    Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/hello-dictator-hungarian-prime-minister-faces-barbs-at-eu-summit
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/hello-dictator-hungarian-prime-minister-faces-barbs-at-eu-summit
    Juncker the man who didn't get elected calls someone who was elected a dictator? Pot calling the kettle black ...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,598
    edited August 2018
    IanB2 said:

    Worth a read: a veteran and very experienced Labour activist speaks out about the unpleasantness within the current party:

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2018/08/27/screaming-bullying-laziness-and-voting-for-the-opposition-welcome-to-wirral-labour-party/#more-22020

    Radio 4’s latest series of The Reunion is clearly trolling the Labour Party. The first three programmes have been about:-

    1. The SDP and the awful factionalism and infighting and useless leadership of the Labour party which led to its formation.
    2. Auschwitz survivors talking about the importance of speaking out against the rise of anti-semitism now.
    3. The murder of Georgi Markov and its parallel with more recent murders.



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    HYUFD said:

    Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/hello-dictator-hungarian-prime-minister-faces-barbs-at-eu-summit
    At least when he has had a few.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316

    Hundreds of complaints of alleged antisemitism against Labour members remain unaddressed and its internal investigation unit has all but collapsed, insiders say.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-antisemitism-inquiry-close-to-collapse-pgdd5hmbv

    At least two other members have followed, leaving just one staff member investigating cases

    What a sucky job that must be, I hope it is paid well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316

    Williamson is more of a mob type than a cult. His thuggish demeanour is particularly obnoxious.
    Williamson serves a very important purpose - he makes Corbyn look fantastic in comparison.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316

    No. It’s not light relief versus miserly porn. This is not the battle line. It’s peddling fake. The air brushing. Love is either a fleeting confusion of desire, or the difficulties of change. If we really loved those closest to us we wouldn’t hurt them so often. In reality We are units that do nothing but desire, fear and hate, alive and confused in a dangerous universe, this is the basis of all our political interactions. And along comes something that ignores all of that, peddling upbeat fantasy as though it was real.

    I have criticised other examples, I should forward one that fits my argument. Rather than the death spiral of Austen, Shakespeare, endless vanity fair remakes, if film or TV would dramatise something like Lud In The Mist for example, you would appreciate my point. An underpinning of political reality doesn’t have to be a Loachian misery, as Lud In The Mist proves, it can sound a note we don’t forget and may have missed about ourselves and society, whilst diverting and entertaining us at the same time.
    I didn't mean to say it is all light relief or misery porn, but I still fundamentally disagree there's a problem with 'peddling fake'. Things don't have to reflect reality, or be super complex or deep all the time. He would argue things can be in real life be as 'unreal' as you say his films are, so they are still real, I imagine, but for me that is irrelevant. I see no problem with peddling upbeat fantasy in entertainment, escapist fiction in all its many varied forms, just as I have no problem (other than not personally enjoying it) of peddling downbeat fantasy in entertainment. Since when must things be real, even when claimed as real, in entertainment?

    Moreover, none of that really has all that much to do with what provoked this, that is his comments in that video clip, since he was pretty clear in that that he recognises tremendous corruption exists and other ills, while still remaining upbeat, so he himself appears to be more nuanced that you say his films are.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    I don't think Boris' hear is in it - pretty feeble stuff:

    https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/1034034740003786752
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Good afternoon, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

    Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,314

    Good afternoon, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

    Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?

    What we need is a good old-fashioned anti-pope. Just don't try and put the two in the same room....


    gets coat.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Good afternoon, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

    Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?

    This would be an appropriate soundtrack:

    https://youtu.be/HMWSy9mfxSs
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Good afternoon, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

    Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?

    Or St. Malachy might yet be proved right.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    HYUFD said:

    Most Labour, Tory and LD voters voted against independence in 2014.

    As I said you had one independence referendum 4 years ago you lost and were lucky you had a liberal coalition government that gave you that. If we had a British nationalist government led by a Trump like figure we could have gone down the Spanish route in Catalonia or taken the approach the Chinese would have done and suspended Holyrood, declared martial law, sent troops to Scotland and arrested Sturgeon and Scottish ministers </blockquote

    So you think we live in a dictatorship where Westminster can just ignore democracy and send in the brown shirts. You dyed in the wool empire biscuit English Nationalists sure take the biscuit. You are a bigger cretin than I even imagined.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    No, it's just another Richard Curtis fan. Tribute to his film 'Nottingham', starring Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Good afternoon, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

    Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?

    He is still alive. Aged 91.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. D, Church Wars: A New Pope.

    Mr. Nashe, never heard it before. First few minutes seem quite good.

    Mr. rpjs, could you remind me of what the saintly chap said?

    Mr. Sandpit, cheers for the papal update :)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Mr. D, Church Wars: A New Pope.

    Mr. Nashe, never heard it before. First few minutes seem quite good.

    Mr. rpjs, could you remind me of what the saintly chap said?

    Mr. Sandpit, cheers for the papal update :)

    It's a great piece. The conclusion is chilling.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.

    The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.

    He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/andy-burnham/news/97815/labours-andy-burnham-slams-arrogant
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411
    What happened at Nottingham Carnival?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,140

    What happened at Nottingham Carnival?
    Maid Marian was ravished?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.

    The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.

    He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/andy-burnham/news/97815/labours-andy-burnham-slams-arrogant

    If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,239
    edited August 2018

    Maid Marian was ravished?
    Boyz n the Robin Hood?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Mr. rpjs, could you remind me of what the saintly chap said?

    He was a 12th century Irish monk who supposedly wrote a list of prophecies about the forthcoming popes. According to it, the current pope will be the last one.

    Except that the prophecies weren't published until c.1590 and whilst the descriptions of the ones up to 1590 were pretty spot on, all the ones since are really a matter of interpretation. Also it's not clear if there is a gap of unprophesied popes between the penultimate and final ones listed. You can read it either way.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2018
    "What's behind Trump's concern for white farmers in South Africa?
    Analysis by Z. Byron Wolf, CNN"
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/trump-south-africa-tweet/index.html
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411

    Boyz n the Robin Hood?
    So who shot the Sheriff?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. rpjs, ah, cheers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,239

    So who shot the Sheriff?
    For the record: I did not shoot the deputy.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    So who shot the Sheriff?
    I believe it was the same person as the one who let the dogs out
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. Simon, are you saying it was one of the Popes?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,140
    Sandpit said:

    If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
    https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1034033994483027968
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411

    Mr. Simon, are you saying it was one of the Popes?

    No, he was batting at tihe time!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2018

    https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1034033994483027968
    Ah okay, so he’s back to being a prat sitting on the fence like every other politician. Nevermind.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Sandpit said:

    Ah okay, so he’s back to being a prat sitting on the fence like every other politician. Nevermind.
    https://twitter.com/MayorofGM/status/1034070040667201536
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?

    Related:

    A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.

    Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/opinion/kpmg-llp/97743/public-expect-no-deal-brexit-and-plan-spend-less-kpmg
  • What happened at Nottingham Carnival?
    He means Nottinghill Carnival.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,063

    https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1034033994483027968
    I just want to confirm, he is including war with France, yes?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,622
    Well at least we don't have Cameron, Osborne and the rest of the Nottingham Set running the country these days.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Related:

    A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.

    Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/opinion/kpmg-llp/97743/public-expect-no-deal-brexit-and-plan-spend-less-kpmg
    Thanks.

    Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,314
    rcs1000 said:

    I just want to confirm, he is including war with France, yes?
    Burnham is a strong believer in enforcing the Treaty of Troyes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. 1000, for quite a lot of history, war with France was England's default setting.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,130

    Related:

    A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.

    Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/opinion/kpmg-llp/97743/public-expect-no-deal-brexit-and-plan-spend-less-kpmg
    I'm assuming 'plan to spend accordingly' is on a Lord make me frugal but not yet basis.

    "Household debt in UK 'worse than at any time on record'
    British household finances among most indebted in major western countries, ONS says'

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eafdj5
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    rcs1000 said:

    I just want to confirm, he is including war with France, yes?
    Presumably starving Ireland too - what with phytosanitary checks at Holyhead AND Calais.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited August 2018
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.

    Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.

    Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.

    Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.

    Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.

    Please can we have the 1990s back again?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    I'm assuming 'plan to spend accordingly' is on a Lord make me frugal but not yet basis.

    "Household debt in UK 'worse than at any time on record'
    British household finances among most indebted in major western countries, ONS says'

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eafdj5
    Since under half were actually planning to do anything you're almost certainly right.

    What surprised me was the level of 'No deal' already priced in to public expectations.....so "Project Fear No Deal" ain't gonna work.....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,130
    AndyJS said:

    Please can we have the 1990s back again?
    Said no one in Rwanda or Bosnia or Somalia or Kurdistan or Chechnya or the Congo.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    Sandpit said:

    Ah okay, so he’s back to being a prat sitting on the fence like every other politician. Nevermind.
    What a pointless statement he has made there. If he had at least restricted to no deal if would be somewhat clear, but anything can be called a bad deal.
  • Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.

    Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411

    Well at least we don't have Cameron, Osborne and the rest of the Nottingham Set running the country these days.

    Trouble is we have the Northamptonshire (mind)set now!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411
    edited August 2018

    Related:

    A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.

    Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.


    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/opinion/kpmg-llp/97743/public-expect-no-deal-brexit-and-plan-spend-less-kpmg
    On those figures there would probably still be a majority for Leave, although in the thousands rather than millions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include:
    VAT abolished on flat caps
    Cricket to be free-to-air
    Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Since under half were actually planning to do anything you're almost certainly right.

    What surprised me was the level of 'No deal' already priced in to public expectations.....so "Project Fear No Deal" ain't gonna work.....
    I don't think enough attention has been paid between crash out Brexit (exit 29 March 2018) and true no deal Brexit (exit 1 January 2021). I don't think anyone is or can be prepared for the former.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,509

    I don't think enough attention has been paid between crash out Brexit (exit 29 March 2018) and true no deal Brexit (exit 1 January 2021). I don't think anyone is or can be prepared for the former.
    I think No Deal almost exclusively refers to the former. Its advocates often talk about 'advantages' like not having to pay any money.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.

    Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.

    If she is finally freed within the next six months/year, it's gong to be another big blow to Boris's leadership chances.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-uks-labour-party-has-effectively-become-a-hate-group
  • Not impressed with amazon’s coverage of the tennis. If this is how they think they can take over from the likes of sky with sports coverage they aren’t going to get many viewers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811

    Said no one in Rwanda or Bosnia or Somalia or Kurdistan or Chechnya or the Congo.
    Those in Syria and Yemen would be happy though.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. Urquhart, for those of us who do not have Amazon TV, could you explain the woes and shortcomings thereof?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    edited August 2018

    Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.

    Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.

    Hard to see how he can improve on Boris' tactic of announcing that she's guilty then spending a week gaslighting everyone who heard him
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited August 2018

    Mr. Urquhart, for those of us who do not have Amazon TV, could you explain the woes and shortcomings thereof?

    It is seems like they are just restreaming the video feeds and commentary sounds like they aren’t there and very poor quality. The Kyle Edmund match on at the moment, the player at the nearest side isn’t visible to the camera half of the time.

    Even when sky are just “restreaming” the video, they often show their own replays / analysis and switch to a studio to discuss the action with former pros.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    Mr. Urquhart, that does just sound incompetent. Ensuring the picture and sound are correct must be the most basic minimum requirements.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-uks-labour-party-has-effectively-become-a-hate-group

    My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
  • Mr. Urquhart, that does just sound incompetent. Ensuring the picture and sound are correct must be the most basic minimum requirements.

    The camera issue probably isn’t their fault as I don’t think it is "their" cameras. But the effects mic isn't mixed properly and the commentary is totally detached from the action
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Sign the petition to register your disgust about anti semitism

    http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/27/sign-the-petition-2/


  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411
    edited August 2018

    King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include:
    VAT abolished on flat caps
    Cricket to be free-to-air
    Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)

    I am still muttering over Yorkshire’s failure to prepare a pitch foir their game against Essex early in the season. Otherwise I’m happy with the second proposal.
    And as I sometimes wear a flat cap, especially when visiting relations in Lancashire I’d be happy with the first.


    Edit. On reflection, having a Yorkshireman in charge at the ECB is doing nothing for cricket. In fact, the reverse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583
    1 in 10 UKIP councillors elected since 2015 have now defected to the Tories in a big to get a hard Brexit supporter like Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg elected as May's successor when she leaves office

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6102953/One-ten-Ukip-councillors-elected-2015-defected-Tories.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    Floater said:

    Sign the petition to register your disgust about anti semitism

    http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/27/sign-the-petition-2/


    I wonder if a counter 'it's all a smear' petition would garner more signatures, and quicker.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316

    My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
    Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
  • The camera issue probably isn’t their fault as I don’t think it is "their" cameras. But the effects mic isn't mixed properly and the commentary is totally detached from the action
    I wonder if it has anything to do with the Edmund match being on an outside court. I have the Louis Armstrong match on another device at the same time and that looks more 'normal'. On the plus side, there are no ad breaks!

  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    On those figures there would probably still be a majority for Leave, although in the thousands rather than millions.
    Just wait a few weeks and some more will pass on
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    kle4 said:

    I wonder if a counter 'it's all a smear' petition would garner more signatures, and quicker.
    Of course it would - the cult is very adept at being armchair warriors.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583
    edited August 2018
    kle4 said:

    Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
    On what basis? Corbyn is pro high tax and spend and regulation, socially liberal and pro immigration and anti Israel and pro Islam unlike Trump just anti the market aspects of the EU. He is far closer to Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren than he is to Trump.

    The only thing he shares with Trump is a dislike of big corporations and current global trade rules
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited August 2018

    I wonder if it has anything to do with the Edmund match being on an outside court. I have the Louis Armstrong match on another device at the same time and that looks more 'normal'. On the plus side, there are no ad breaks!

    In terms of the camera issue, most likely. Increasingly broadcasters are using totally automated camera setups, where the whole production is controlled by a single person. However the commentary etc is like it is a juniors match, not the British #1 and 16th seed playing.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,814

    Thanks.

    Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
    Although I am not promoting a second referendum, wanting s rethink when you are set on a course on a path that is absolutely certain to leave you worse off strikes me as rational
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583
    FF43 said:

    Although I am not promoting a second referendum, wanting s rethink when you are set on a course on a path that is absolutely certain to leave you worse off strikes me as rational
    For Leave voters concerned about immigration and sovereignty above all the Brexit path will in their opinion certainly not leave them worse off
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411
    Fenman said:

    Just wait a few weeks and some more will pass on
    My wife and I (80 & 77) are doing our best to hang on so that we can vote for Europe again. That’ll be the third time!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,384
    King Cole, probably isn't a proper Yorkshireman. Probably one of those filthy immigrants. From Lancashire.

    [As an aside, in the 17th century a 'foreigner' could simply mean someone from another village].

    Anyway, I'm off.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    kle4 said:

    Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
    Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?

    I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'

    There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583

    Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?

    I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'

    There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
    Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    HYUFD said:

    Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
    There would be similarities between the opponents each side of the Atlantic that would be quite interesting if that were the case. Could help British American relations if the similar pair (either one) both won.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,925
    edited August 2018

    My wife and I (80 & 77) are doing our best to hang on so that we can vote for Europe again. That’ll be the third time!
    I am 75 and my wife 79 and we just keep taking the pills.

    As far as the EU is concerned we have voted, both remain, but do not seek another go

    Though it is rather surreal that some want us to pop off, even though many of us voted remain
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,583

    There would be similarities between the opponents each side of the Atlantic that would be quite interesting if that were the case. Could help British American relations if the similar pair (either one) both won.
    Boris and Trump or Corbyn and Sanders would get on well, Corbyn and Trump or Sanders and Boris rather less so to say the least
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045

    King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include:
    VAT abolished on flat caps
    Cricket to be free-to-air
    Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)

    "Bar tat?"
    "Bar tat?"
    Mr Dancer, for shame!

    Baht 'at, sir. Meaning "without headgear," of course.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.

    Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.

    Shows what can be done when you actually give a jot, and speaks volumes for his pathetic predecessor
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    HYUFD said:

    Boris and Trump or Corbyn and Sanders would get on well, Corbyn and Trump or Sanders and Boris rather less so to say the least
    Yeah if the unsimilar pairs won it could be a little fractious. I think I'd worry more about Trump and Corbyn in terms of the British American relationship. I think Sanders would be fairly easy going (compared to Trump certainly) and Boris (mostly) wouldn't brush him up the world's most powerful person the wrong way
  • malcolmg said:

    Shows what can be done when you actually give a jot, and speaks volumes for his pathetic predecessor
    Jeremy Hunt is doing a good job as foreign secretary and Boris was an embarrassment and just crass
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,095

    Jeremy Hunt is doing a good job as foreign secretary and Boris was an embarrassment and just crass
    I think you need to have been on top of your game to have survived as Tory health secretary for a long time. By contrast foreign is probably rather easier (& more prestigious)
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