I take no particular view of the Curtis films*, which are rather harmless feel-good Rom Coms, but there is rather alot of good news in the world:
"what happened over the past 24 hours: seen this way, just in the last day, average life expectancy increased by 9.5 hours; 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty; and 305,000 got access to safer drinking water. The media could have told each of these stories every single day since 1990"
* I do rather like 4 weddings, but agree with Mark Kermode, Hugh Grant should have married Kirsten Scott Thomas, rather than the wooden Andie McDowell.
And confidence in the sustainability of access to safer drinking water fell, the amount of plastic in the oceans rose by n%, world population rose by an unsustainable n%, probably also n species went extinct and life expectancy in some countries fell. Oh and the USA decided to militarise space (or at least recognise its de facto militarisation). I don't think Panglossism has that much to offer atm.
Lombjorg is not that Panglossian, but if we look at the worldwide drop in Fertility rate, we are heading to a stabilised world population by the mid century. There are problems, but also great progress in the world. When I was born most of Europe was under dictators, now only Belarus is, and both Africa and Latin America are mostly democratic and at peace.
The MENA region is doing particularly poorly in terms of social, economic and political progress, but even there therre is room for optimism.
Given Russia and Hungary are both in Europe, saying Putin and Orban are not dictators is debateable
Orban is not a dictator. It’s absurd to claim otherwise.
Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise
I take no particular view of the Curtis films*, which are rather harmless feel-good Rom Coms, but there is rather alot of good news in the world:
"what happened over the past 24 hours: seen this way, just in the last day, average life expectancy increased by 9.5 hours; 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty; and 305,000 got access to safer drinking water. The media could have told each of these stories every single day since 1990"
* I do rather like 4 weddings, but agree with Mark Kermode, Hugh Grant should have married Kirsten Scott Thomas, rather than the wooden Andie McDowell.
And confidence in the sustainability of access to safer drinking water fell, the amount of plastic in the oceans rose by n%, world population rose by an unsustainable n%, probably also n species went extinct and life expectancy in some countries fell. Oh and the USA decided to militarise space (or at least recognise its de facto militarisation). I don't think Panglossism has that much to offer atm.
Lombjorg is not that Panglossian, but if we look at the worldwide drop in Fertility rate, we are heading to a stabilised world population by the mid century. There are problems, but also great progress in the world. When I was born most of Europe was under dictators, now only Belarus is, and both Africa and Latin America are mostly democratic and at peace.
The MENA region is doing particularly poorly in terms of social, economic and political progress, but even there therre is room for optimism.
Given Russia and Hungary are both in Europe, saying Putin and Orban are not dictators is debateable
Orban is not a dictator. It’s absurd to claim otherwise.
Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise
Radio 4’s latest series of The Reunion is clearly trolling the Labour Party. The first three programmes have been about:-
1. The SDP and the awful factionalism and infighting and useless leadership of the Labour party which led to its formation. 2. Auschwitz survivors talking about the importance of speaking out against the rise of anti-semitism now. 3. The murder of Georgi Markov and its parallel with more recent murders.
I take no particular view of the Curtis films*, which are rather harmless feel-good Rom Coms, but there is rather alot of good news in the world:
"what happened over the past 24 hours: seen this way, just in the last day, average life expectancy increased by 9.5 hours; 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty; and 305,000 got access to safer drinking water. The media could have told each of these stories every single day since 1990"
* I do rather like 4 weddings, but agree with Mark Kermode, Hugh Grant should have married Kirsten Scott Thomas, rather than the wooden Andie McDowell.
And confidence in the sustainability of access to safer drinking water fell, the amount of plastic in the oceans rose by n%, world population rose by an unsustainable n%, probably also n species went extinct and life expectancy in some countries fell. Oh and the USA decided to militarise space (or at least recognise its de facto militarisation). I don't think Panglossism has that much to offer atm.
Lombjorg is not that Panglossian, but if we look at the worldwide drop in Fertility rate, we are heading to a stabilised world population by the mid century. There are problems, but also great progress in the world. When I was born most of Europe was under dictators, now only Belarus is, and both Africa and Latin America are mostly democratic and at peace.
The MENA region is doing particularly poorly in terms of social, economic and political progress, but even there therre is room for optimism.
Given Russia and Hungary are both in Europe, saying Putin and Orban are not dictators is debateable
Orban is not a dictator. It’s absurd to claim otherwise.
Maybe not then although Juncker clearly thinks otherwise
Hundreds of complaints of alleged antisemitism against Labour members remain unaddressed and its internal investigation unit has all but collapsed, insiders say.
No he doesn’t get everything that’s wrong with all his films, why his films can’t do politics at all, on any level. He has no comprehension how the power of nightmares and hatred and desire drives the political world, the real world.
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I must say I am Edit: I have never seen Love Actually
Love, actually is set in a London of love, and forgiveness, not one where fear and horror of crime nags away causing depression. Whitewash
I don't
No. It’s not light relief versus miserly porn. This is not the battle line. It’s peddling fake. The air brushing. Love is either a fleeting confusion of desire, or the difficulties of change. If we really loved those closest to us we wouldn’t hurt them so often. In reality We are units that do nothing but desire, fear and hate, alive and confused in a dangerous universe, this is the basis of all our political interactions. And along comes something that ignores all of that, peddling upbeat fantasy as though it was real.
I have criticised other examples, I should forward one that fits my argument. Rather than the death spiral of Austen, Shakespeare, endless vanity fair remakes, if film or TV would dramatise something like Lud In The Mist for example, you would appreciate my point. An underpinning of political reality doesn’t have to be a Loachian misery, as Lud In The Mist proves, it can sound a note we don’t forget and may have missed about ourselves and society, whilst diverting and entertaining us at the same time.
I didn't mean to say it is all light relief or misery porn, but I still fundamentally disagree there's a problem with 'peddling fake'. Things don't have to reflect reality, or be super complex or deep all the time. He would argue things can be in real life be as 'unreal' as you say his films are, so they are still real, I imagine, but for me that is irrelevant. I see no problem with peddling upbeat fantasy in entertainment, escapist fiction in all its many varied forms, just as I have no problem (other than not personally enjoying it) of peddling downbeat fantasy in entertainment. Since when must things be real, even when claimed as real, in entertainment?
Moreover, none of that really has all that much to do with what provoked this, that is his comments in that video clip, since he was pretty clear in that that he recognises tremendous corruption exists and other ills, while still remaining upbeat, so he himself appears to be more nuanced that you say his films are.
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
What we need is a good old-fashioned anti-pope. Just don't try and put the two in the same room....
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
HK will never be independent. It’s a city in an empire of 1.4 billion people. Economically it’s a nice to have for China, but it’s 2% of GDP vs 20% at the time of the handover.
Either way, it’s none of our business.
Hong Kong has about the same population and GDP as Singapore which is an independent city state
That is up to the people of Hong Kong.
Given almost a third back armed revolution who knows what they ultimately choose but ultimately it is up to them
Learn what? China is a One Party State Communist authoritarian dictatorsp to them
What size unit should be allowed to secede from a largdoo poll of students.
Theoretically any size unit population wise and with a bigger gdp
Yet you say Scotland should not be allowed to be independent or even vote on it if it wants to.
Conflating voting on different topics does not cut it , not all Labour , Tory , LDems, Greens etc are against Independence.
A majority of Tory, Labour and LD voters are and combined those parties got a 63% voteshare at the 2017 general election
They were not all against Independence though, shouting "look a squirrel" does not make your case any better. Just the same as if your granny had wheels she would be a wheelbarrow.
Most Labour, Tory and LD voters voted against independence in 2014.
As I said you had one independence referendum 4 years ago you lost and were lucky you had a liberal coalition government that gave you that. If we had a British nationalist government led by a Trump like figure we could have gone down the Spanish route in Catalonia or taken the approach the Chinese would have done and suspended Holyrood, declared martial law, sent troops to Scotland and arrested Sturgeon and Scottish ministers </blockquote
So you think we live in a dictatorship where Westminster can just ignore democracy and send in the brown shirts. You dyed in the wool empire biscuit English Nationalists sure take the biscuit. You are a bigger cretin than I even imagined.
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Mr. rpjs, could you remind me of what the saintly chap said?
He was a 12th century Irish monk who supposedly wrote a list of prophecies about the forthcoming popes. According to it, the current pope will be the last one.
Except that the prophecies weren't published until c.1590 and whilst the descriptions of the ones up to 1590 were pretty spot on, all the ones since are really a matter of interpretation. Also it's not clear if there is a gap of unprophesied popes between the penultimate and final ones listed. You can read it either way.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.
Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.
Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.
Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.
Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.
Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.
Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
Please can we have the 1990s back again?
Said no one in Rwanda or Bosnia or Somalia or Kurdistan or Chechnya or the Congo.
Andy Burnham has rubbished "arrogant" calls for a second Brexit referendum, amid reports of fresh pressure on Labour to back a new vote.
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
If that’s what spending less time in London does to a politician, then more of them should try it. Fair play Andy Burnham, something I never thought I’d say.
Ah okay, so he’s back to being a prat sitting on the fence like every other politician. Nevermind.
What a pointless statement he has made there. If he had at least restricted to no deal if would be somewhat clear, but anything can be called a bad deal.
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include: VAT abolished on flat caps Cricket to be free-to-air Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Since under half were actually planning to do anything you're almost certainly right.
What surprised me was the level of 'No deal' already priced in to public expectations.....so "Project Fear No Deal" ain't gonna work.....
I don't think enough attention has been paid between crash out Brexit (exit 29 March 2018) and true no deal Brexit (exit 1 January 2021). I don't think anyone is or can be prepared for the former.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Since under half were actually planning to do anything you're almost certainly right.
What surprised me was the level of 'No deal' already priced in to public expectations.....so "Project Fear No Deal" ain't gonna work.....
I don't think enough attention has been paid between crash out Brexit (exit 29 March 2018) and true no deal Brexit (exit 1 January 2021). I don't think anyone is or can be prepared for the former.
I think No Deal almost exclusively refers to the former. Its advocates often talk about 'advantages' like not having to pay any money.
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
If she is finally freed within the next six months/year, it's gong to be another big blow to Boris's leadership chances.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
Not impressed with amazon’s coverage of the tennis. If this is how they think they can take over from the likes of sky with sports coverage they aren’t going to get many viewers.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.
Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.
Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
Please can we have the 1990s back again?
Said no one in Rwanda or Bosnia or Somalia or Kurdistan or Chechnya or the Congo.
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
Hard to see how he can improve on Boris' tactic of announcing that she's guilty then spending a week gaslighting everyone who heard him
Mr. Urquhart, for those of us who do not have Amazon TV, could you explain the woes and shortcomings thereof?
It is seems like they are just restreaming the video feeds and commentary sounds like they aren’t there and very poor quality. The Kyle Edmund match on at the moment, the player at the nearest side isn’t visible to the camera half of the time.
Even when sky are just “restreaming” the video, they often show their own replays / analysis and switch to a studio to discuss the action with former pros.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Mr. Urquhart, that does just sound incompetent. Ensuring the picture and sound are correct must be the most basic minimum requirements.
The camera issue probably isn’t their fault as I don’t think it is "their" cameras. But the effects mic isn't mixed properly and the commentary is totally detached from the action
King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include: VAT abolished on flat caps Cricket to be free-to-air Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)
I am still muttering over Yorkshire’s failure to prepare a pitch foir their game against Essex early in the season. Otherwise I’m happy with the second proposal. And as I sometimes wear a flat cap, especially when visiting relations in Lancashire I’d be happy with the first.
Edit. On reflection, having a Yorkshireman in charge at the ECB is doing nothing for cricket. In fact, the reverse.
1 in 10 UKIP councillors elected since 2015 have now defected to the Tories in a big to get a hard Brexit supporter like Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg elected as May's successor when she leaves office
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Mr. Urquhart, that does just sound incompetent. Ensuring the picture and sound are correct must be the most basic minimum requirements.
The camera issue probably isn’t their fault as I don’t think it is "their" cameras. But the effects mic isn't mixed properly and the commentary is totally detached from the action
I wonder if it has anything to do with the Edmund match being on an outside court. I have the Louis Armstrong match on another device at the same time and that looks more 'normal'. On the plus side, there are no ad breaks!
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
On what basis? Corbyn is pro high tax and spend and regulation, socially liberal and pro immigration and anti Israel and pro Islam unlike Trump just anti the market aspects of the EU. He is far closer to Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren than he is to Trump.
The only thing he shares with Trump is a dislike of big corporations and current global trade rules
Mr. Urquhart, that does just sound incompetent. Ensuring the picture and sound are correct must be the most basic minimum requirements.
The camera issue probably isn’t their fault as I don’t think it is "their" cameras. But the effects mic isn't mixed properly and the commentary is totally detached from the action
I wonder if it has anything to do with the Edmund match being on an outside court. I have the Louis Armstrong match on another device at the same time and that looks more 'normal'. On the plus side, there are no ad breaks!
In terms of the camera issue, most likely. Increasingly broadcasters are using totally automated camera setups, where the whole production is controlled by a single person. However the commentary etc is like it is a juniors match, not the British #1 and 16th seed playing.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
Although I am not promoting a second referendum, wanting s rethink when you are set on a course on a path that is absolutely certain to leave you worse off strikes me as rational
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
Although I am not promoting a second referendum, wanting s rethink when you are set on a course on a path that is absolutely certain to leave you worse off strikes me as rational
For Leave voters concerned about immigration and sovereignty above all the Brexit path will in their opinion certainly not leave them worse off
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
There would be similarities between the opponents each side of the Atlantic that would be quite interesting if that were the case. Could help British American relations if the similar pair (either one) both won.
Have we had any recent polls asking directly about support for a second referendum/reversing brexit?
Related:
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
There would be similarities between the opponents each side of the Atlantic that would be quite interesting if that were the case. Could help British American relations if the similar pair (either one) both won.
Boris and Trump or Corbyn and Sanders would get on well, Corbyn and Trump or Sanders and Boris rather less so to say the least
King Cole, clearly, we need a Yorkshireman in charge. Sensible policies would include: VAT abolished on flat caps Cricket to be free-to-air Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)
"Bar tat?" "Bar tat?" Mr Dancer, for shame!
Baht 'at, sir. Meaning "without headgear," of course.
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
Shows what can be done when you actually give a jot, and speaks volumes for his pathetic predecessor
I don't know anything about this particular writer or the publication - but it is another example of how the US is viewing our domestic politics at the moment:
My guess would be the majority of Americans don't know who the opposition leader in the UK is, of those that do I imagine he has an association with Bernie which would be a mostly positive thing but seen negatively by those on the right.
Given how much Corbyn's support acts like Trump's, the right should like him more than the left, despite very different policies and personalities.
Hypothetically let's say Corbyn supporters are like Trump supporters, why would that make a bit of difference to them liking him?
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
Of course it is not impossible the next US presidential election could be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump and the next UK general election Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn in which case they would be polar opposites
There would be similarities between the opponents each side of the Atlantic that would be quite interesting if that were the case. Could help British American relations if the similar pair (either one) both won.
Boris and Trump or Corbyn and Sanders would get on well, Corbyn and Trump or Sanders and Boris rather less so to say the least
Yeah if the unsimilar pairs won it could be a little fractious. I think I'd worry more about Trump and Corbyn in terms of the British American relationship. I think Sanders would be fairly easy going (compared to Trump certainly) and Boris (mostly) wouldn't brush him up the world's most powerful person the wrong way
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
Shows what can be done when you actually give a jot, and speaks volumes for his pathetic predecessor
Jeremy Hunt is doing a good job as foreign secretary and Boris was an embarrassment and just crass
Jeremy Hunt has given the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe greater priority than his predecessor as Foreign Secretary, the imprisoned charity worker's husband has said.
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
Shows what can be done when you actually give a jot, and speaks volumes for his pathetic predecessor
Jeremy Hunt is doing a good job as foreign secretary and Boris was an embarrassment and just crass
I think you need to have been on top of your game to have survived as Tory health secretary for a long time. By contrast foreign is probably rather easier (& more prestigious)
Comments
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2018/08/27/screaming-bullying-laziness-and-voting-for-the-opposition-welcome-to-wirral-labour-party/#more-22020
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/hello-dictator-hungarian-prime-minister-faces-barbs-at-eu-summit
1. The SDP and the awful factionalism and infighting and useless leadership of the Labour party which led to its formation.
2. Auschwitz survivors talking about the importance of speaking out against the rise of anti-semitism now.
3. The murder of Georgi Markov and its parallel with more recent murders.
What a sucky job that must be, I hope it is paid well.
Moreover, none of that really has all that much to do with what provoked this, that is his comments in that video clip, since he was pretty clear in that that he recognises tremendous corruption exists and other ills, while still remaining upbeat, so he himself appears to be more nuanced that you say his films are.
https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/1034034740003786752
Is the Pope Emeritus still about? If so, and Francis is forced out, we might end up with three Popes/ex-Popes. Would that be a first since the Middle Ages?
gets coat.
https://youtu.be/HMWSy9mfxSs
https://twitter.com/lovatt_winifred/status/1033994445115535360
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI
Mr. Nashe, never heard it before. First few minutes seem quite good.
Mr. rpjs, could you remind me of what the saintly chap said?
Mr. Sandpit, cheers for the papal update
The Greater Manchester Mayor and former Labour leadership contender said campaigners should be focusing on a "practical, bridge-building" exit from the European Union instead of pushing for a referendum on whatever deal the UK ends up striking with the EU.
He told Politico: "My frustration with those leaping to a second referendum is it further inflames this idea of an arrogant political class, which isn't listening and isn't dealing with the issues that gave rise to the referendum in the first place.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/andy-burnham/news/97815/labours-andy-burnham-slams-arrogant
Except that the prophecies weren't published until c.1590 and whilst the descriptions of the ones up to 1590 were pretty spot on, all the ones since are really a matter of interpretation. Also it's not clear if there is a gap of unprophesied popes between the penultimate and final ones listed. You can read it either way.
Analysis by Z. Byron Wolf, CNN"
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/trump-south-africa-tweet/index.html
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/cartoons/16600350.greg-moodie-jez-and-lez-do-the-fringe/?ref=twtrec
A survey of 3,044 members of the British public commissioned by KPMG shows all demographic, employment and political groups believe a ‘No Deal’ Brexit is more likely than not (overall 54% said a ‘No Deal’ Brexit was likely and 20% said unlikely). The poll also reveals that a clear majority of UK respondents believe a 'No Deal' scenario would have a significant impact on their life: 70% think prices would rise and 69% say they would change their consumer behaviour. Also 45% believe a no-deal' scenario will be bad for the country compared with 25% who think it will be good. Despite these concerns about 'No Deal', the majority of voters have not changed their mind since the 2016 referendum. 89% of Leave voters said they would still vote leave and 93% of Remain voters said they would still vote remain.
Explaining the findings James Stewart, Head of Brexit at KPMG UK said: “This survey shows the public expect a ‘no deal’ Brexit and plan to spend accordingly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/opinion/kpmg-llp/97743/public-expect-no-deal-brexit-and-plan-spend-less-kpmg
Apart from a few true believers, I have no idea what the aims of people peddling a second in/out referendum actually are. It's not going to happen, and if it somehow did, we have no good evidence to think it would go to remain. Surely anyone actually motivated by Britain's future would be arguing for a referendum on the nature of brexit instead, with an EEA/CU option on the ballot. Also a massively long shot, of course, but one that's at least defensible
"Household debt in UK 'worse than at any time on record'
British household finances among most indebted in major western countries, ONS says'
https://tinyurl.com/y7eafdj5
Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.
Police have arrested a Syrian man and an Iraqi man on suspicion of murder. The Syrian detainee is 23 and the Iraqi 22.
What surprised me was the level of 'No deal' already priced in to public expectations.....so "Project Fear No Deal" ain't gonna work.....
Richard Ratcliffe praised Mr Hunt for being "clear and critical" about his wife's case, after she voluntarily returned to prison in Iran following an emotional family reunion over the weekend.
VAT abolished on flat caps
Cricket to be free-to-air
Anyone who complains of a train in London being six minutes late to be sent to Ilkley Moor (bar tat, of course)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-uks-labour-party-has-effectively-become-a-hate-group
Even when sky are just “restreaming” the video, they often show their own replays / analysis and switch to a studio to discuss the action with former pros.
http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/27/sign-the-petition-2/
And as I sometimes wear a flat cap, especially when visiting relations in Lancashire I’d be happy with the first.
Edit. On reflection, having a Yorkshireman in charge at the ECB is doing nothing for cricket. In fact, the reverse.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6102953/One-ten-Ukip-councillors-elected-2015-defected-Tories.html
The only thing he shares with Trump is a dislike of big corporations and current global trade rules
[As an aside, in the 17th century a 'foreigner' could simply mean someone from another village].
Anyway, I'm off.
I often think of the war mongers on each side in a conflict/argument as being very similar, violent, xenophobic, nationalistic, happy to stir up hatred and happy to see people die and whilst they generally hate the other side the people they really hate are their equivalents on the other side. Although you do occasionally get the grudging respect types 'he is a murderous hateful psychopath like myself, I respect that.'
There are similarities (Corbyn fans and Trump fans), though with Corbyn there are similarities you can make with Thatcher and fans of either one would reject any idea of them being like each other. Bernie supporters is probably the more accurate American example. Trump supporters would probably fit Brexit supporters a bit better to be honest. Although the media setup is a bit different in both countries which doesn't help the comparison.
As far as the EU is concerned we have voted, both remain, but do not seek another go
Though it is rather surreal that some want us to pop off, even though many of us voted remain
"Bar tat?"
Mr Dancer, for shame!
Baht 'at, sir. Meaning "without headgear," of course.