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It's not only Jezza that has a problem bro.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1027858403924877313

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Theuniondivvie said:

It's not only Jezza that has a problem bro.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1027858403924877313

Rowan Atkinson is entitled to his views, though I disagree with them (and on this occasion they are well-recorded as being long-held). He is also entitled to express his views without having people attempt to discredit them by associating him by proxy with his brother's views.

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

Pulpstar said:

Anazina said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

currystar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

currystar said:

I simply do not believe anything the ONS comes up with. Construction in the UK is currently running at about the maximum it can. There is so much work around it is extraordinairy and you simply cannot get skilled labour. The latest hourly rate for Agency electricians in Hampshire is £25 per hour, that is double the rate than it was in 2010, a 100% increase in 8 years. None of this real world stuff is ever reflected in these figures

On the day when another well-known company has gone bust, can I suggest to you that the economy is behaving differently in different areas? I see no reason to treat the ONS's figures with more than the usual caution.

House of Fraser failed due to their outdated business model, it was nothing to do with the health of the economy

Any ideas what Sports Direct have actually paid £90m for?

Do they own any stores, have that much inventory lying around, or are we going to see some absolutely massive sports shops opening up in town centres?

Surely they'll have chosen the stores they want to buy, and just buy those ?
Seems to be more Adidas and Nike in their stores than ever - couldn't find the Mizuno trainer (Or any Mizuno at all) that I was looking for in either their Meadowhall or Drakehouse outlets.

I have never grasped why people care tuppence about trainer brands. They are not proper shoes, and are all pretty much the same. I have a friend who collects trainers. I do not lie when I say he has more pairs than his wife own shoes. I find that ridiculous.

I just like to stick with the same shoe to be honest. They don't instantly fall apart and they're correct for my pronation. I did the Sheffield Half back in 2013 in Mizuno Wave Riders, but the sole is too thin to run on those now so I need new ones.
I own two pairs currently, but they're both too old for running in.

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Theuniondivvie said:

It's not only Jezza that has a problem bro.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1027858403924877313

The Johnny English Defence League

Anorak said:

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Yup! About the only thing that IT consultants prefer to do with a pencil and paper.

Is it just me or are the ONS messing up their numbers here?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45141127
However, the ONS said: "Abstracting from these quarterly movements, the underlying trend in real GDP is one of slowing growth.

"The UK economy grew by 0.6% in the first half of 2018, compared with the second half of 2017 - continuing the declining trend seen since the second half of 2014."

In the last three years we have had H1 growth of

2016 H1 0.5%
2017 H1 0.6%
2018 H1 0.6%

I'm not seeing any evidence of a slowdown there. Q4 growth has been the highest quarter in each year for the last 3 years, so it seems comparing apples and oranges to contrast H1 to H2 rather than H1 last year.

Dear Mr Kohli

The first rule every eight year old club cricketer learns is DON'T RUN OUT YOUR FRICKING PARTNER.

Especially by chancing a single to a very young agile close fielder, and even more especially when it's overcast and the ball is hooping round corners.

Sincerely yours

A thrilled England fan.

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

Pulpstar said:

Anazina said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

currystar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

currystar said:

I simply do not believe anything the ONS comes up with. Construction in the UK is currently running at about the maximum it can. There is so much work around it is extraordinairy and you simply cannot get skilled labour. The latest hourly rate for Agency electricians in Hampshire is £25 per hour, that is double the rate than it was in 2010, a 100% increase in 8 years. None of this real world stuff is ever reflected in these figures

On the day when another well-known company has gone bust, can I suggest to you that the economy is behaving differently in different areas? I see no reason to treat the ONS's figures with more than the usual caution.

House of Fraser failed due to their outdated business model, it was nothing to do with the health of the economy

Any ideas what Sports Direct have actually paid £90m for?

Do they own any stores, have that much inventory lying around, or are we going to see some absolutely massive sports shops opening up in town centres?

Surely they'll have chosen the stores they want to buy, and just buy those ?
Seems to be more Adidas and Nike in their stores than ever - couldn't find the Mizuno trainer (Or any Mizuno at all) that I was looking for in either their Meadowhall or Drakehouse outlets.

I have never grasped why people care tuppence about trainer brands. They are not proper shoes, and are all pretty much the same. I have a friend who collects trainers. I do not lie when I say he has more pairs than his wife own shoes. I find that ridiculous.

I just like to stick with the same shoe to be honest. They don't instantly fall apart and they're correct for my pronation. I did the Sheffield Half back in 2013 in Mizuno Wave Riders, but the sole is too thin to run on those now so I need new ones.
I own two pairs currently, but they're both too old for running in.

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

AlastairMeeks said:

Theuniondivvie said:

It's not only Jezza that has a problem bro.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1027858403924877313

Rowan Atkinson is entitled to his views, though I disagree with them (and on this occasion they are well-recorded as being long-held). He is also entitled to express his views without having people attempt to discredit them by associating him by proxy with his brother's views.

It's an interesting bit of political trivia.
We're all entitled to express our views up to a point, but I don't think anyone in the public eye who very deliberately makes public statements is entitled to have their background censored, and they're bloody fools if they do think that.

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

scotslass said:

On topic of today's YouGov I see UKIP have reached absolute zero on the Scottish sub sample which is SNP 42%, Tory 29%, Lab 17%,Green 6% and Lib 4%.

Of course just a sub sample but there is now a run of YouGovs with the Nats in the 40s and Labour way back in third. It maybe that some PB contributors have been rather overestimating the chances of a Labour revival in Scotland.

SNP still well down on the 50% they got in 2015.

A Boris or Mogg led Tories would be the best way to revive Scottish Labour

What are you on??

The facts, SNP got 50% in 2015 they are now on 42% ie down 8%.

Yougov showed the main change of a Boris led Tories in Scotland would be Scottish Labour up to about 30% and the Scottish LDs also up and Scottish Tories back to 2010 and 2015 levels. The SNP would be unchanged

The 2015 vote was an unrepeatable freak result, a knee-jerk response to the referendum result and Dave's EV4EL surprise attack.

edmundintokyo said:

Anorak said:

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Relevant (sort-of) rebuttal by Rob Graham:
https://blog.erratasec.com/2018/08/that-xkcd-on-voting-machine-software-is.html

That’s also quite good, and explains the real issues around verification, hardware and software problems, but the big one is trust. People need to be able to trust the system, and the pencil and paper method is much more trustworthy.

(And a bunch of kids from Sunderland running around with ballot boxes makes for better TV then someone pressing a button and the result appearing on a screen).

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

Pulpstar said:

Anazina said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

currystar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

currystar said:

I simply do not believe anything the ONS comes up with. Construction in the UK is currently running at about the maximum it can. There is so much work around it is extraordinairy and you simply cannot get skilled labour. The latest hourly rate for Agency electricians in Hampshi10, a 100% increase in 8 years. None of this real world stuff is ever reflected in these figures

On the day when another well-known company has gone bust, can I suggest to you that the economy is behaving differently in different areas? I see no reason to treat the ONS's figures with more than the usual caution.

House of Fraser failed due to their outdated business model, it was nothing to do with the health of the economy

Any ideas what Sports Direct have actually paid £90m for?

Do they own any stores, have that much inventory lying around, or are we going to see some absolutely massive sports shops opening up in town centres?

Surely they'll have chosen the stores they want to buy, and just buy those ?
Seems to be more Adidas and Nike in their stores than ever - couldn't find the Mizuno trainer (Or any Mizuno at all) that I was looking for in either their Meadowhall or Drakehouse outlets.

I have never grasped why people care tuppence about trainer brands. They are not proper shoes, and are all pretty much the same. I have a friend who collects trainers. I do not lie when I say he has more pairs than his wife own shoes. I find that ridiculous.

I just like to stick with the same shoe to be honest. They don't instantly fall apart and they're correct for my pronation. I did the Sheffield Half back in 2013 in Mizuno Wave Riders, but the sole is too thin to run on those now so I need new ones.
I own two pairs currently, but they're both too old for running in.

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

Plus I'm guessing you don't have many wear your trainers to work days.

edmundintokyo said:

Anorak said:

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Relevant (sort-of) rebuttal by Rob Graham:
https://blog.erratasec.com/2018/08/that-xkcd-on-voting-machine-software-is.html

I disagree with the rebuttal in that any software engineer worth their salt knows that successful attacks are common in the software industry, especially in something as critical as voting - and therefore expects it and takes it into account.

The other engineers know that successful attacks on planes or elevators are extraordinarily rare.

volcanopete said:

Sir John Curtice opines on the BBC website.Huge divisions still in the UK,by age especially.The country is split down the middle and it doesn't feel healthy.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be odd if every group voted the same way? There's often been a huge split on age: in October 1974 the Tories came third with the youngest age group, behind the Liberals.

Philip_Thompson said:

edmundintokyo said:

Anorak said:

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Relevant (sort-of) rebuttal by Rob Graham:
https://blog.erratasec.com/2018/08/that-xkcd-on-voting-machine-software-is.html

I disagree with the rebuttal in that any software engineer worth their salt knows that successful attacks are common in the software industry, especially in something as critical as voting - and therefore expects it and takes it into account.

The other engineers know that successful attacks on planes or elevators are extraordinarily rare.

Plus software is developed to be sold, with restrictions on time, no regulatory oversight, and a sales team who couldn't code for toffee.

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Foxy said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Lawyers, like my own profession, should always dress well. It is important that the punter knows that their money is appreciated.

Not sure that is quite the way I would put it. But yes, it is.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1027891396391456768

'Only Boris could keep us in the EU' - Discuss.

https://twitter.com/DeansOfCardiff/status/1027902991452516352

Note the size of the electorate.

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955?s=20

God that man's dangerous, destabilising and a fool.

"Europe Elects
‏ @EuropeElects

Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

CDU/CSU-EPP: 31%
SPD-S&D: 18%
AfD-EFDD: 16% (+1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-2)
FDP-ALDE: 8% (+1)

Field work: 7/08/18 – 9/08/18
Sample size: 1,294"

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Cruise control is fanatastic until the traffic density reaches a certain level - and using it requires paying rather more attention to traffic movements that when you’re not.

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955?s=20

God that man's dangerous, destabilising and a fool.

Wonder what will happen to the Turkish Lira now?

The FT had an article today or yesterday how several Spanish French and Italian banks may be a bit over exposed to Turkey...

"Boris Johnson could be given diversity training instead of being sanctioned over burka comments "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/10/boris-johnson-could-given-diversity-training-instead-sanctioned/

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Cruise control is fanatastic until the traffic density reaches a certain level - and using it requires paying rather more attention to traffic movements that when you’re not.

Porsche ACC slows the car down (to halt if necessary) if there is traffic ahead. You can't set it at more than 130mph though (I've tried on that bit of the M40 where there is nowhere for the cops to hide).

ydoethur said:

For anyone in Essex:

Is this weather affecting you as well? If so, what are the odds of play at Chelmsford in the T20 tonight?

I'm afraid I'm asking because I really want those two points from beating you, rather than one for a washout, but I appreciate that may not be your perspective!

Pulses of heavy rain coming acosss.... admittedly I’m about 15 miles N of Chelmsford. Forecast isn’t even reasonable, is it, until aboy 7pm but Chelmsford dries out well.There might just be a 10 over thrash.

TBH I think we’ve written off this years t20. Anyway it’s not proper cricket!

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Cruise control is fanatastic until the traffic density reaches a certain level - and using it requires paying rather more attention to traffic movements that when you’re not.

A basic cruise control works best on an uncongested road filled with speed cameras, where it frees up mental capacity to deal with other traffic and environmental factors rather than constantly needing to look at the speedo. Some of the modern more advanced systems that keep a gap and nudge the wheel are to me too intrusive, I want the computer to maintain the status quo rather than change anything.

As others have said the almost-autonomous systems are downright dangerous as humans will always switch off after a time, if you were monitoring correctly you’d arrive more tired than just driving yourself. A proper self driving car that can pick you up from the pub and take you elderly mum to the shops, they will be truly revolutionary - but they’re further away than we think.

Mr. Glenn, if the UK is second tier, then who's in the first rank? Just the US and China?

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, if the UK is second tier, then who's in the first rank? Just the US and China?

Yes.

Mr. M, Twitter can vary a lot. I use a few lists to keep track of things. My history list is almost always polite, informative, and interesting. The political list is rather more tempestuous.

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

For anyone in Essex:

Is this weather affecting you as well? If so, what are the odds of play at Chelmsford in the T20 tonight?

I'm afraid I'm asking because I really want those two points from beating you, rather than one for a washout, but I appreciate that may not be your perspective!

Pulses of heavy rain coming acosss.... admittedly I’m about 15 miles N of Chelmsford. Forecast isn’t even reasonable, is it, until aboy 7pm but Chelmsford dries out well.There might just be a 10 over thrash.

TBH I think we’ve written off this years t20. Anyway it’s not proper cricket!

Thanks.

I call T20 'hit and giggle.' However, it is the only competition this year the Shire haven't embarrassed themselves in, and with Norwell being stolen, er, signed by Warwickshire that doesn't seem likely to change next year either. When your last county championship was 140 years ago, you learn to take the crumbs!

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955?s=20

God that man's dangerous, destabilising and a fool.

Wonder what will happen to the Turkish Lira now?

The FT had an article today or yesterday how several Spanish French and Italian banks may be a bit over exposed to Turkey...

Well, it's hardly going to help is it? Erdogan is not someone we should particularly be looking to help but destabilising Turkey is a big mistake with any number of adverse consequences throughout the ME and beyond.

If Trump reaally were a Russian asset, driving Turkey away from NATO and towards the welcoming arms of the Russians might be his biggest triumph yet...

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955?s=20

God that man's dangerous, destabilising and a fool.

Wonder what will happen to the Turkish Lira now?

The FT had an article today or yesterday how several Spanish French and Italian banks may be a bit over exposed to Turkey...

Well, it's hardly going to help is it? Erdogan is not someone we should particularly be looking to help but destabilising Turkey is a big mistake with any number of adverse consequences throughout the ME and beyond.

If Trump reaally were a Russian asset, driving Turkey away from NATO and towards the welcoming arms of the Russians might be his biggest triumph yet...

Turkey is already moving to Russia. They are buying the Russian S400 missile system. They also want to buy the F35 and there is no way America want the Turks feeding all the data from the S400 tracking F35's to Russia.

Anorak said:

Philip_Thompson said:

edmundintokyo said:

Anorak said:

xkcd on e-voting.
https://xkcd.com/2030

Relevant (sort-of) rebuttal by Rob Graham:
https://blog.erratasec.com/2018/08/that-xkcd-on-voting-machine-software-is.html

I disagree with the rebuttal in that any software engineer worth their salt knows that successful attacks are common in the software industry, especially in something as critical as voting - and therefore expects it and takes it into account.

The other engineers know that successful attacks on planes or elevators are extraordinarily rare.

Plus software is developed to be sold, with restrictions on time, no regulatory oversight, and a sales team who couldn't code for toffee.

both the cartoon and the rebuttal are confused as is the idea ‘a’ software engineer builds the software as a stellar lone endeavour

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

For anyone in Essex:

Is this weather affecting you as well? If so, what are the odds of play at Chelmsford in the T20 tonight?

I'm afraid I'm asking because I really want those two points from beating you, rather than one for a washout, but I appreciate that may not be your perspective!

Pulses of heavy rain coming acosss.... admittedly I’m about 15 miles N of Chelmsford. Forecast isn’t even reasonable, is it, until aboy 7pm but Chelmsford dries out well.There might just be a 10 over thrash.

TBH I think we’ve written off this years t20. Anyway it’s not proper cricket!

Thanks.

I call T20 'hit and giggle.' However, it is the only competition this year the Shire haven't embarrassed themselves in, and with Norwell being stolen, er, signed by Warwickshire that doesn't seem likely to change next year either. When your last county championship was 140 years ago, you learn to take the crumbs!

I understand. Essex won diddley-squat untl 1979 under the sainted Gnome, Keith Fletcher.... who I last saw watching a Second XI game a couple of weeks ago.
Then we did reasonably well ntil late 00’s when we had a bad time until the last couple of years.
We’ve never done anything in the T20, though; Finals Day occasionally but that’s it.

Anorak said:

Nigelb said:

Great long read on the scientific controversy/feud over the dinosaur extinction:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/09/dinosaur-extinction-debate/565769/

It's 99%/1% in favour of the asteroid. Hardly a controversy. Would be great to see it overturned though, just for the lols!...

I don't think it anywhere near as clearcut.

The evidence for the Chicxulub impact is, of course, overwhelming - but equally, so is that of the almost unimaginably massive Deccan vulcanism around that event, which lasted several hundred thousand years.

What is far from clear is the precise timing of the mass extinctions around the two, as it's very far from a trivial (or settled) matter to narrow parse the geological record from 65 million years ago to within a hundred years (which the Chicxulub hypothesis requires), as opposed to tens or hundreds of thousands.

ydoethur said:

MarqueeMark said:

Philip_Thompson said:

In the last three years we have had H1 growth of

2016 H1 0.5%
2017 H1 0.6%
2018 H1 0.6%

I'm not seeing any evidence of a slowdown there. Q4 growth has been the highest quarter in each year for the last 3 years, so it seems comparing apples and oranges to contrast H1 to H2 rather than H1 last year.

I think the ONS is feeling rather exposed at being, er, a bit crap.....

Apparently 67% of people believe ONS figures are total bollocks.

33% didn't know who the ONS were.

0.17% thought they could be trusted.

I don't know how we can take GDP figures seriously when they include things like the trade in illegal drugs.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, well, the odds are the EU's GDP will shortly decline by about two trillion euros or so...

You can count vassals like Puerto Rico or, err, the UK.

TOPPING said:

Nigelb said:

Dura_Ace said:

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Cruise control is fanatastic until the traffic density reaches a certain level - and using it requires paying rather more attention to traffic movements that when you’re not.

Porsche ACC slows the car down (to halt if necessary) if there is traffic ahead. You can't set it at more than 130mph though (I've tried on that bit of the M40 where there is nowhere for the cops to hide).

I wondered who that lunatic was a couple of months back....

The A3/A303 used to be bedlam as all the London types made their way down to and through the khaki triangle at 0-f*ck hundred hours in the morning.

Company I used to work for had one office in Salisbury and another at Sunbury Cross at the top of the M3, which of course resulted in the unofficial time trial among a bunch of us who were too young and stupid to think that it wouldn’t end with most of us having a meeting at Basingstoke magistrates over the course of a couple of years...

Sandpit said:

TOPPING said:

Nigelb said:

Dura_Ace said:

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

"pronation". Good word I haven't come across before.

Whenever you go to a specialist running shop they watch you run down the road, tell you that you pronate, and seemingly pick the nearest set of trainers off the shelf and say here you need these.

Right. Not done that for a while. Clearly missing out.

Depends on your weekly mileage.

I think I average nearly 500 miles a week. A very high percentage of which are by car.

With high mileage like that you'll need the most expensive shoes to deal with your pronation on the accelerator.

Cruise control?

The work of the devil. Never use it. It's hard enough to keep paying attention on motorways without encouraging yourself to switch off even more. It's a good example of why the idea of a human monitoring a self driving car for emergencies just isn't going to work.

Cruise control is fanatastic until the traffic density reaches a certain level - and using it requires paying rather more attention to traffic movements that when you’re not.

Porsche ACC slows the car down (to halt if necessary) if there is traffic ahead. You can't set it at more than 130mph though (I've tried on that bit of the M40 where there is nowhere for the cops to hide).

I wondered who that lunatic was a couple of months back....

The A3/A303 used to be bedlam as all the London types made their way down to and through the khaki triangle at 0-f*ck hundred hours in the morning.

Company I used to work for had one office in Salisbury and another at Sunbury Cross at the top of the M3, which of course resulted in the unofficial time trial among a bunch of us who were too young and stupid to think that it wouldn’t end with most of us having a meeting at Basingstoke magistrates over the course of a couple of years...

Ha! For cadets there, it was gates of RMA Sandhurst to Marble Arch.

LordWakefield said:

Theuniondivvie said:

It's not only Jezza that has a problem bro.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1027858403924877313

How appalling it is that Rowan Atkinson has a brother that's takes part in the democratic process.

This is fake news. I've seen Blackadder, and the only brother ever mentioned is Prince Henry Plantagenet.

I think I've cracked the Stokes trial thing.

Everyone was acting in self defence and no one wanted trouble. The two gay guys seem to have been put there to let all the defendants illustrate their exemplary diversity mindsets.

The last attempted coup in Turkey was botched. But I don't think the next one will be.

Fenman said:

The last attempted coup in Turkey was botched. But I don't think the next one will be.

Second to last.

You've forgotten Erdogan's subsequent coup where he arrested all his enemies, got Parliament to vote him dictatorial powers and rewrite the constitution in his favour.

There was nothing botched about that.

Fenman said:

The last attempted coup in Turkey was botched. But I don't think the next one will be.

The problem is those support an even more worrying nutter than the current nutter.

Mr. Fenman, the previous coup failed due to lack of military support. Since then, Erdogan has not only locked up tens of thousands of lecturers, journalists, police, and judges, but also armed forces personnel who weren't to his liking.

Maybe you're right, but he's certainly taken steps to try and reduce the odds of a military coup, in the same way he's stopped any pesky journalists who don't agree with him.

I’m beginning to think that there must be some part of the process of signing up to be a member of a political party which leads to atrophy of any sort of critical faculty. When you give members the opportunity to elect themselves a leader, it appears that they look around and say to themselves “Hmmm! Who’s manifestly incapable of providing any sort of sensible political programme? And better still, can they be relied on to espouse ideas that many people find abhorrent? Yes! That’s the one for us!”

I can think of no other explanation for Corbyn on the one hand, the fact that all these member polls seem to suggest that there is serious consideration being given either to Rees Mogg or Johnson, the succession of lunatics that have been through the UKIP revolving door in dizzying succession, and the only saving grace I can see for Cable is that he appears to be dead.

Time for an update of Charles Mackay’s “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”, I think.