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There’s a big “special” Congressional election ta1king place in Ohio’s 12th district which was won by the Republicans by 12 points in 2012 and 2016 – the former by Romney and the latter by Trump.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Too tight for me, but best of luck to those who partake.0 -
Are both parties odds on?0
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On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.0 -
When you consider it, Caesar, for all his brilliance, was a failure. His once-formidable political gifts had deserted him by the end.ydoethur said:It is actually quite funny that @TSE has managed to get a first - but it was on a phantom thread.
I imagine that Morris Dancer will be lectured on the merits of Julius Caesar for the next five years for stealing his thunder!0 -
Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.0 -
Tonight, I hope, the celebration will be bigger than the win in Alabama.0
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He had a serious Caseius of megalomania. This led to him being Brutus-ly despatched.Sean_F said:
When you consider it, Caesar, for all his brilliance, was a failure. His once-formidable political gifts had deserted him by the end.ydoethur said:It is actually quite funny that @TSE has managed to get a first - but it was on a phantom thread.
I imagine that Morris Dancer will be lectured on the merits of Julius Caesar for the next five years for stealing his thunder!
That good enough to get us started?0 -
"Get your face out for the lads!"surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.0 -
As a generality I agree with @currystar but how you determine in any individual case whether they are being compelled to wear it or chose to wear it is not obvious. I fear that we tolerate far too much "patriarchal" behaviour in parts of our society for cultural reasons and do not give many of these women the sort of support they are entitled to expect in a society nominally committed to equality.ydoethur said:FPT:
On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.0 -
Mr. Doethur, like Caesar at Gergovia, I fear Mr. Eagles got a bit over-excited and made an error of judgement.0
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No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
One could argue that burqas are unislamic. After all, Allah (SWT), in His Infinite Wisdom, created us such that we are born stark-raving nakedDavidL said:
As a generality I agree with @currystar but how you determine in any individual case whether they are being compelled to wear it or chose to wear it is not obvious. I fear that we tolerate far too much "patriarchal" behaviour in parts of our society for cultural reasons and do not give many of these women the sort of support they are entitled to expect in a society nominally committed to equality.ydoethur said:FPT:
On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.
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'Ali brandishing a bottle' - Here's the inside edge that'll probably save Stokes.0
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In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
If it's light-coloured it might reflect heat and reduce sweating.Sean_F said:
In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
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So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?0 -
The only ones I see in Luton are jet black.ydoethur said:
If it's light-coloured it might reflect heat and reduce sweating.Sean_F said:
In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
Are those burkas or niqabs?Sean_F said:
The only ones I see in Luton are jet black.ydoethur said:
If it's light-coloured it might reflect heat and reduce sweating.Sean_F said:
In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.
Afghanistan traditionally they are light blue or white. That's not however conclusive.0 -
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If you impose a recession against the will of the people at the time you're imposing it, in what sense are you doing it in the name of democracy?Philip_Thompson said:FPT
So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?0 -
Now that's what I CALL trolling!TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you make the comparison with elephantine tact?
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I disagree that democracy would be sacrificed.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?
To be more nuanced: if membership of the EU reduces the value of my vote to a small degree (which I would contend) then the benefits would far, far outweigh that loss.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.0 -
Hannibal? Not B.A. Barracus??TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Maybe they want to stay from you.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Get your face out for the lads!"surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.0 -
Corbyn is 'Howling Mad' Murdock.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hannibal? Not B.A. Barracus??TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It's certainly not the right time to be considering a ban on the consumption of dogs.surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.0 -
Of course, Alexander ventured as far east as India, somewhere neither Caesar nor Hannibal reached.0
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It should be noted that they were Remainers:surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-council-agrees-resolution-on-the-eu-referendum/
It should also be noted that their not terribly scientific polling indicated 52% remain, 26% leave and 22% uncertain in EUROPE membership in November 2015, and although that dipped by March most had gone to 'undecided.'
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/
A lot of farmers have been kept solvent through EU environmental subsidies and tariff barriers to cheap food. The NFU will certainly want to keep us in the customs union if at all possible.0 -
There is an assumption taht men force women to wear it. In some cases, it could be true. But, in all religions, the women tend to be more "traditional" rule followers.DavidL said:
As a generality I agree with @currystar but how you determine in any individual case whether they are being compelled to wear it or chose to wear it is not obvious. I fear that we tolerate far too much "patriarchal" behaviour in parts of our society for cultural reasons and do not give many of these women the sort of support they are entitled to expect in a society nominally committed to equality.ydoethur said:FPT:
On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.
I have seen with my Jewish friends that they would eat anything. Once the first child comes along, the kitchen becomes kosher. The men mostly go with the flow.0 -
There is an assumption that men force women to wear it. In some cases, it could be true. But, in all religions, the women tend to be more "traditional" rule followers.DavidL said:
As a generality I agree with @currystar but how you determine in any individual case whether they are being compelled to wear it or chose to wear it is not obvious. I fear that we tolerate far too much "patriarchal" behaviour in parts of our society for cultural reasons and do not give many of these women the sort of support they are entitled to expect in a society nominally committed to equality.ydoethur said:FPT:
On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.
I have seen with my Jewish friends that they would eat anything. Once the first child comes along, the kitchen becomes kosher. The men mostly go with the flow.0 -
Nope.ydoethur said:
Now that's what I CALL trolling!TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you make the comparison with elephantine tact?
It’s more a wider Second Punic War Thread0 -
I'd have thought a food shortage would be a licence to print money for farmers.ydoethur said:
It should be noted that they were Remainers:surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-council-agrees-resolution-on-the-eu-referendum/
It should also be noted that their not terribly scientific polling indicated 52% remain, 26% leave and 22% uncertain in EUROPE membership in November 2015, and although that dipped by March most had gone to 'undecided.'
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/
A lot of farmers have been kept solvent through EU environmental subsidies and tariff barriers to cheap food. The NFU will certainly want to keep us in the customs union if at all possible.
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Dr. Prasannan, in defence of Caesar and Hannibal, neither of them wanted to go to India.
Mr. Eagles, *sighs* One day you may learn... we can but hope.0 -
All of my Jewish friends eat pork.surby said:
I have seen with my Jewish friends that they would eat anything. Once the first child comes along, the kitchen becomes kosher. The men mostly go with the flow.
None of them want their mothers to know this.
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Stokes "Not guilty", calling it now.0
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A long march to the East, overcoming many hostile tribes and difficult terrain, wins a few spectacular battles but due to passivity ultimately loses the war and everything else?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope.ydoethur said:
Now that's what I CALL trolling!TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you make the comparison with elephantine tact?
It’s more a wider Second Punic War Thread
I suppose it could work.0 -
tbf all the farmers I know voted Remain and not only because of the subsidies. They realised the disruption Brexit might cause.surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.0 -
Not if (1) they can't grow enough food to meet demand, at which point not only do they not gain from it but thefts become a psossibility;Sean_F said:
I'd have thought a food shortage would be a licence to print money for farmers.ydoethur said:
It should be noted that they were Remainers:surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-council-agrees-resolution-on-the-eu-referendum/
It should also be noted that their not terribly scientific polling indicated 52% remain, 26% leave and 22% uncertain in EUROPE membership in November 2015, and although that dipped by March most had gone to 'undecided.'
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/
A lot of farmers have been kept solvent through EU environmental subsidies and tariff barriers to cheap food. The NFU will certainly want to keep us in the customs union if at all possible.
(2) if the Government suspends import restrictions to deal with it.0 -
I vaguely recall that black works by air currents but have no time to research it.ydoethur said:
If it's light-coloured it might reflect heat and reduce sweating.Sean_F said:
In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
That will be true until collectivisation is completed and the richer ones have atoned for their bourgeois asset accumulation.Sean_F said:
I'd have thought a food shortage would be a licence to print money for farmers.ydoethur said:
It should be noted that they were Remainers:surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-council-agrees-resolution-on-the-eu-referendum/
It should also be noted that their not terribly scientific polling indicated 52% remain, 26% leave and 22% uncertain in EUROPE membership in November 2015, and although that dipped by March most had gone to 'undecided.'
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/
A lot of farmers have been kept solvent through EU environmental subsidies and tariff barriers to cheap food. The NFU will certainly want to keep us in the customs union if at all possible.0 -
Plus they'll get the blame for it. For not growing enough food. Farmers: traitors and enemy of the people of Brexitania.ydoethur said:
Not if (1) they can't grow enough food to meet demand, at which point not only do they not gain from it but thefts become a psossibility;
(2) if the Government suspends import restrictions to deal with it.0 -
whyPulpstar said:Stokes "Not guilty", calling it now.
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Jeremy Corbyn is more reminiscent of Julian the Apostate. A man of inflexible and long-held beliefs, vainly trying to resurrect a dead religion, he attracts curiosity, achieves considerable success in battle, before eventually falling victim to his own injudicious decisions about the near East.0
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"I've been in this room for eight years now, Clarice. I know they will never, ever let me out while I'm alive. What I want is a view. I want a window where I can see a tree, or even water. I want to be in a federal institution."TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Not a bad likeness either.AlastairMeeks said:Jeremy Corbyn is more reminiscent of Julian the Apostate. A man of inflexible and long-held beliefs, vainly trying to resurrect a dead religion, he attracts curiosity, achieves considerable success in battle, before eventually falling victim to his own injudicious decisions about the near East.
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Unless I'm misinterpreting (Which I may well be) seem the two he's duffed up were threatening with bottles.SquareRoot said:0 -
Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees0 -
Is there a market on this? Are you allowed to gamble on the outcome of criminal cases?SquareRoot said:0 -
A mistrial should be declared in this trial.
It is all so confusing with Hale's and Hales involved.0 -
Although obviously not the most important fact, Judge Massipa's incompetence cost me a couple of quid on Oscar Pistorius' trial. Paddy ran that one as a promo of sorts though so it was a bet to no loss.Anorak said:
Is there a market on this? Are you allowed to gamble on the outcome of criminal cases?SquareRoot said:0 -
Just be grateful Russell Harty isn't involved.TheScreamingEagles said:A mistrial should be declared in this trial.
It is all so confusing with Hale's and Hales involved.
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They should have got Baroness Hale to be the judge.TheScreamingEagles said:A mistrial should be declared in this trial.
It is all so confusing with Hale's and Hales involved.0 -
But aren't they all naked beneath - or is that just my imagination.Sean_F said:
In this hot weather, a burka must get rather smelly.ydoethur said:
No, the burka is the overall body suit with gauze over the eyes. The niqab is a facecloth.surby said:Burkha or Niqab ? Nuns effectively wear the burkha . It is the Niqab where there is a slit for the eyes only.
With the burkha you can see the whole face.
I think you're confusing that with the Hijab, which does indeed look like a nun's wimple.0 -
Or Moeen Ali.AlastairMeeks said:
Just be grateful Russell Harty isn't involved.TheScreamingEagles said:A mistrial should be declared in this trial.
It is all so confusing with Hale's and Hales involved.0 -
Ha.Tissue_Price said:
"I've been in this room for eight years now, Clarice. I know they will never, ever let me out while I'm alive. What I want is a view. I want a window where I can see a tree, or even water. I want to be in a federal institution."TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yep, it's complicated. My next door neighbour's son married a very traditional woman from Pakistan and the effect on the broader family is quite marked in terms of clothes, habits etc. Not liked it to be honest.surby said:
There is an assumption that men force women to wear it. In some cases, it could be true. But, in all religions, the women tend to be more "traditional" rule followers.DavidL said:
As a generality I agree with @currystar but how you determine in any individual case whether they are being compelled to wear it or chose to wear it is not obvious. I fear that we tolerate far too much "patriarchal" behaviour in parts of our society for cultural reasons and do not give many of these women the sort of support they are entitled to expect in a society nominally committed to equality.ydoethur said:FPT:
On the other hand, when I have fourteen year old girls coming to me in tears because someone has shouted sexual abuse at them and threatened to rape them in the street, I do start to understand why there are indeed women out there who prefer to look like a moving pillar box.currystar said:
I have to say that the Burkha is an absolutely ridiculous piece of clothing and if women are forced to wear it then I consider that wrong.DavidL said:
I do not dispute his right to say it. It confirms my assessment of him as a man with very poor judgment, very little discipline and completely unsuited to serious office though. But then, we all know that by now anyway.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Steve Bannon's approach already. Politicians will queue up to denounce Boris Johnson's remarks, only to find out time and again that the public have a much more robust view of what can be discussed. The idea is to cement Boris Johnson as the next Trump.Danny565 said:To be fair to Boris (not a sentence I thought I'd say), I think his burqa comments fall into the "juvenile and stupid" category more than they do "racist". After all, it's not like a comparison to a letterbox is a commonly racist trope to my knowledge (though the comparison to a bank-robber is more questionable).
That said, I can't help but notice there's some PBers who've been very silent on this topic, who I'm 100% convinced would've been in paroxysms of outrage if a Labour activist had been discovered to have tweeted some mocking comments about Orthodox Jewish dress.
The issue is if they are forced to wear it when they don't want to.
I have seen with my Jewish friends that they would eat anything. Once the first child comes along, the kitchen becomes kosher. The men mostly go with the flow.0 -
Mr. Doethur, passivity?
On the part of Hanno and the Peace Party, perhaps.0 -
Theoretically no.Anorak said:
Is there a market on this? Are you allowed to gamble on the outcome of criminal cases?SquareRoot said:
A creative bookie may get around this, such as will Ben Stokes play in the third, fourth, or fifth tests, or in next year's world cup.
Shadsy pulled a similar trick when Chris Huhne was in trouble, such as 'Will Chris Huhne be in the cabinet at the time of the Lib Dem conference'0 -
Ah, the Blairites (although Corbyn would doubtless call them the War Party)!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, passivity?
On the part of Hanno and the Peace Party, perhaps.0 -
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees0 -
That's what I was thinking as well.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees0 -
I think it was John Mortimer who said a lifetime in the British criminal justice system had sated his appetite for gambling.TheScreamingEagles said:
Theoretically no.Anorak said:
Is there a market on this? Are you allowed to gamble on the outcome of criminal cases?SquareRoot said:
A creative bookie may get around this, such as will Ben Stokes play in the third, fourth, or fifth tests, or in next year's world cup.
Shadsy pulled a similar trick when Chris Huhne was in trouble, such as 'Will Chris Huhne be in the cabinet at the time of the Lib Dem conference'0 -
I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.0
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I saw Alex Hales in a bar in an hotel where the England team were staying. Let's just say that his reported height of 6ft 5inches really doesn't do him justice. He is a giant of a man.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees0 -
Or maybe the thread title will have Corbyn as the 'elephant in the room'.ydoethur said:
Now that's what I CALL trolling!TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you make the comparison with elephantine tact?0 -
Recessions aren't imposed they're something that simply happens.williamglenn said:
If you impose a recession against the will of the people at the time you're imposing it, in what sense are you doing it in the name of democracy?Philip_Thompson said:FPT
So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?
That's like saying you're imposing bad weather.0 -
Alex Hales behaviour seems odd here, why would he try and apparently stop Stokes then kick a man when he's down ?
That's disturbing.0 -
This has also been puzzling me in the reports he tried to stop Stokes and got brushed off. Really? Someone of that size and physique?DavidL said:
I saw Alex Hales in a bar in an hotel where the England team were staying. Let's just say that his reported height of 6ft 5inches really doesn't do him justice. He is a giant of a man.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees
None of this is making sense at the moment. I'm wondering if the drunk was an officer on ASC.0 -
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
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Cheers.TheScreamingEagles said:Theoretically no.
A creative bookie may get around this, such as will Ben Stokes play in the third, fourth, or fifth tests, or in next year's world cup.
Shadsy pulled a similar trick when Chris Huhne was in trouble, such as 'Will Chris Huhne be in the cabinet at the time of the Lib Dem conference'0 -
I thought it was San Marino.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
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Is Alex Hale only ever seen in bars?DavidL said:
I saw Alex Hales in a bar in an hotel where the England team were staying. Let's just say that his reported height of 6ft 5inches really doesn't do him justice. He is a giant of a man.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees0 -
It is a city state not a country.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
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Stokes is 6'2" but yes, that does seem odd.ydoethur said:
This has also been puzzling me in the reports he tried to stop Stokes and got brushed off. Really? Someone of that size and physique?DavidL said:
I saw Alex Hales in a bar in an hotel where the England team were staying. Let's just say that his reported height of 6ft 5inches really doesn't do him justice. He is a giant of a man.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees
None of this is making sense at the moment. I'm wondering if the drunk was an officer on ASC.0 -
In the case of a disruptive Brexit it's a choice, not an act of God.Philip_Thompson said:
Recessions aren't imposed they're something that simply happens.williamglenn said:
If you impose a recession against the will of the people at the time you're imposing it, in what sense are you doing it in the name of democracy?Philip_Thompson said:FPT
So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?
That's like saying you're imposing bad weather.0 -
That article is estimating when the UK could run out of food if we had to be wholly self sufficient in food, which no-one is suggesting.Sean_F said:
It's certainly not the right time to be considering a ban on the consumption of dogs.surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
That would suggest the EU could impose an absolute economic blockade on the UK’s ability to trade with it and the rest of the world way more effective than the Kriegsmarine managed in WWII.0 -
Just maybe because the guy swung at him with a bottle? But yes, it is a typically confusing situation. Presumably Hales was smart enough to keep his mouth shut when interviewed.Pulpstar said:Alex Hales behaviour seems odd here, why would he try and apparently stop Stokes then kick a man when he's down ?
That's disturbing.0 -
ASC? - altered state of consciousness?ydoethur said:
This has also been puzzling me in the reports he tried to stop Stokes and got brushed off. Really? Someone of that size and physique?DavidL said:
I saw Alex Hales in a bar in an hotel where the England team were staying. Let's just say that his reported height of 6ft 5inches really doesn't do him justice. He is a giant of a man.ydoethur said:
What? Then why was he not charged as well? What on earth is going on here?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmmm
Ryan Hale’s barrister Stephen Murray now back on his feet with more questions for DC Adams. Asks about Alex Hales - does DC Adams think he can be seen kicking a man in the head? Yes, says DC Adams. “Mr Stoke’s colleague has stamped down of Ryan Ali and kicked him.” Adams agrees
None of this is making sense at the moment. I'm wondering if the drunk was an officer on ASC.0 -
If one reads the article in full, it’s actually a lobbying effort for precisely that.Sean_F said:
I'd have thought a food shortage would be a licence to print money for farmers.ydoethur said:
It should be noted that they were Remainers:surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-council-agrees-resolution-on-the-eu-referendum/
It should also be noted that their not terribly scientific polling indicated 52% remain, 26% leave and 22% uncertain in EUROPE membership in November 2015, and although that dipped by March most had gone to 'undecided.'
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/
A lot of farmers have been kept solvent through EU environmental subsidies and tariff barriers to cheap food. The NFU will certainly want to keep us in the customs union if at all possible.0 -
Mr Meeks was right. All part of the plan... [@Tissue - don't you hate it when that happens
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/10268413133611786240 -
Beaten to it...0
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We make choices all the time, that's democracy. The public were warned Brexit would cause a recession and voted for it anyway. If it happens that's still democracy and you get to say "I told you so"williamglenn said:
In the case of a disruptive Brexit it's a choice, not an act of God.Philip_Thompson said:
Recessions aren't imposed they're something that simply happens.williamglenn said:
If you impose a recession against the will of the people at the time you're imposing it, in what sense are you doing it in the name of democracy?Philip_Thompson said:FPT
So you are prepared to sacrifice democracy if it comes to it to avoid a small recession?Anorak said:
Mental and utterly unspoofable.Philip_Thompson said:That's precisely what many in "the greatest generation" did. They sacrificed their lives to ensure we could be a free democracy.
I'm not prepared to throw away their sacrifice on the altar of potentially avoiding a one off recession.
So yes. Democracy and freedom are worth the loss of life. A recession is not.
Or you don't consider democracy worth the sacrifices our ancestors fought for?
That's like saying you're imposing bad weather.0 -
As I suggested earlier, some people are rather jumping the gun on the Ben Stokes case, as the defence has yet to make its case. Stokes will have a very good lawyer and the case is in any case very far from clear-cut. For instance, as far as I know, these two key witnesses have yet to be called to the stand...
https://news.sky.com/story/ben-stokes-was-defending-us-from-homophobic-abuse-say-gay-men-111018890 -
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.0 -
I thought the Portugal/Spain border was the oldest border.rcs1000 said:
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.0 -
Fact for the day: we import a smaller proportion of the calories we eat today than in 1900.Casino_Royale said:
That article is estimating when the UK could run out of food if we had to be wholly self sufficient in food, which no-one is suggesting.Sean_F said:
It's certainly not the right time to be considering a ban on the consumption of dogs.surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
That would suggest the EU could impose an absolute economic blockade on the UK’s ability to trade with it and the rest of the world way more effective than the Kriegsmarine managed in WWII.0 -
Wouldn't Greece be older? I wouldn't argue for it being the most successful country, mind.rcs1000 said:
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.0 -
France as we know it now is a relatively modern construct. Not as modern as Germany or Italy, but for centuries it really didn't have a consistent form. Gascony, Burgundy etc etc etcrcs1000 said:
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.0 -
It only become independent from the Ottomans in 1821.Anorak said:
Wouldn't Greece be older? I wouldn't argue for it being the most successful country, mind.rcs1000 said:
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.0 -
It's so bloody obvious what the game is. What's depressing is that it's being fallen for again.Anorak said:Mr Meeks was right. All part of the plan... [@Tissue - don't you hate it when that happens
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/10268413133611786240 -
Really? Source or STFU, as the kidz sayrcs1000 said:
Fact for the day: we import a smaller proportion of the calories we eat today than in 1900.Casino_Royale said:
That article is estimating when the UK could run out of food if we had to be wholly self sufficient in food, which no-one is suggesting.Sean_F said:
It's certainly not the right time to be considering a ban on the consumption of dogs.surby said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/uk-run-out-of-food-no-deal-brexit-national-farmers-union
Project Fear from the NFU - The Tory Party of the Soil.
That would suggest the EU could impose an absolute economic blockade on the UK’s ability to trade with it and the rest of the world way more effective than the Kriegsmarine managed in WWII.
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We’d probably never be able to agree either the criteria or the top candidate.rcs1000 said:
I would argue Switzerland is the most successful country in Europe, and France is probably the oldest.David_Evershed said:
Isn't Vatican City the oldest and most successful country in Europe?rcs1000 said:I'm involved in my first ever Twitter spat. I'm so proud. I'm currently fighting with some chap over the Priti Patel tweet re the Penny Morduant quote about the UK being the "oldest and most successful" country in Europe.
The Vatican only technically became a country in 1929.
I think Switzerland is beautiful, but I also find Zurich boring, and you could kill yourself in Geneva on a Sunday, the food isn’t all that, and it’s rather too regulated for my liking.0 -
