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This process might be over - but the hate towards her will only increase as a result.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
who is heDecrepitJohnL said:
Brandon Lewis is a leadership contender. Or he might be. Look what happened last time: everyone assumed Boris had it sewn up so no-one stood against him, then a quick rush of blood to Michael Gove's head and suddenly it's Andrea Leadsom versus Theresa May -- and even then the CCHQ dirty tricks department had to lean on Leadsom to step down.rottenborough said:OrderOrder:
"Brandon [Lewis] is trying to build a power base at Matthew Parker Street – don’t laugh, but he genuinely considers himself a leadership contender"
So if Andrea Leadsom and Theresa May set the bar, then every Cabinet member and half the junior ministers will be thinking they could clear it. And some of them will be right.0 -
That made me laugh. You should have graffitied that. It deserves a wider audienceStark_Dawning said:
Presumably that's Onetus and Twotus. Where are Threetus, Fourtus, Fivetus and Sixtus?Dura_Ace said:
That picture of him, Ofjacob and his fucking weird kids on top of the ESB is just great.oxfordsimon said:No matter what you think of the man and his politics - this sort of thing is never acceptable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-450820530 -
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So it is over then. Over this week things will quiet down, then in a couple of months something else will happen. Predictable that the leadership will pull back, and that will be the reason that everyone else pulls back too.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Maybe, but we've heard plenty of certainties in such areas with things that did not come to pass.williamglenn said:0 -
I care. Genuinely.grabcocque said:Nobody really cares about Northern Ireland except as a weapon to drub the enemy with.
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https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htmAnazina said:
I spent two and a half weeks in the states over the winter, touring through some fairly remote areas at times. I never touched a single dollar. Cash is dead.Foxy said:
It does show that a substantial minority of Britons are not merely wanting the status quo ante of spring 2016.HYUFD said:
A 67% win for sterling over the Euro would be the joint biggest landslide in any national vote in the UK since WW2 alongside the No to AV win in 2011 and the vote to join the Common Market in 1975.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
Personally, I am not bothered either way. On recent trips to Russia, Sweden and Spain I used electronic money and hardly touched physical cash.
Given that there is currently $1.67 trillion of US dollar-denominated cash in circulation, physical currency would appear to be very far from dead. This is just as well. Governments would love to abolish physical currency. If all of our money were held electronically in banks, it would be easy to impose negative interest rates, i.e. effectively to confiscate a percentage of everyone's deposits, whenever the relevant authorities felt like doing so.0 -
From the comments on Hodge's twitter - they aren't pulling backkle4 said:
So it is over then. Over this week things will quiet down, then in a couple of months something else will happen. Predictable that the leadership will pull back, and that will be the reason that everyone else pulls back too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus Formby has lied in her letter.
It ain't over yet.0 -
It's actually a very unusual clock: the dial has minutes but not hours on it. Apparently because there were things that had to be done at various minutes every hour. The hour didn't matter, but the minutes did.JosiasJessop said:
My stopped clock (a Smiths of derby ex-engine room clock) is correct twice a day.HYUFD said:
ConHonlme got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot onJosiasJessop said:
About as much as a ConHome survey!HYUFD said:
So clearly zero polling evidence there then if you just want to be patheticIanB2 said:
But in a recent poll 50% of respondents agreed that HYUFD was deliberately spreading misinformation about the views of Tory members with 25% responding that he means well but is misguided. This PROVES you are wrong!HYUFD said:
It is the Conservative AND Unionist Party for a reason.williamglenn said:
Do any of your fellow Conservative activists share your passion for partitioning Northern Ireland or is it just your own hobby horse?HYUFD said:
Given the majority of Northern Ireland Protestants voted Leave anyway in the case of Protestant majority counties Antrim and Down indefinitely.williamglenn said:
How long would Northern Ireland stay in Poundland after a No Deal Brexit? How about Scotland?Casino_Royale said:
It would seal a victory for a No Deal Brexit.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
Protestant majority counties should not be forced into the Republic against their will as the Conservative led government in 1921 accepted when it created Northern Ireland in the first place rather than forcing it into the new Catholic majority Irish Free State
Has anyone seen similar dials? There don't seem to be many on Google.0 -
“It’s ironic, though, that those supposedly seeking to reinvigorate Great Britain and its apparent glory days are casting aside its links with Northern Ireland, whatever the protestations of the DUP.”williamglenn said:
As seen on this forum earlier today.0 -
In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html0 -
If the cameras face both ways and upload in real time vandalizing them has its challenges.Casino_Royale said:Fwiw, I agree that cameras on the border are almost certain to be routinely vandalised.
The solution is to have such customs checks intelligence led and in-border, not on the border, with NI having a special status in both the UK and wrt. to Eire and the EU.
Just like it does now.0 -
Surely it is correct 24 times per day?JosiasJessop said:
It's actually a very unusual clock: the dial has minutes but not hours on it. Apparently because there were things that had to be done at various minutes every hour. The hour didn't matter, but the minutes did.JosiasJessop said:
My stopped clock (a Smiths of derby ex-engine room clock) is correct twice a day.HYUFD said:
ConHonlme got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot onJosiasJessop said:
About as much as a ConHome survey!HYUFD said:
So clearly zero polling evidence there then if you just want to be patheticIanB2 said:
But in a recent poll 50% of respondents agreed that HYUFD was deliberately spreading misinformation about the views of Tory members with 25% responding that he means well but is misguided. This PROVES you are wrong!HYUFD said:
It is the Conservative AND Unionist Party for a reason.williamglenn said:
Do any of your fellow Conservative activists share your passion for partitioning Northern Ireland or is it just your own hobby horse?HYUFD said:
Given the majority of Northern Ireland Protestants voted Leave anyway in the case of Protestant majority counties Antrim and Down indefinitely.williamglenn said:
How long would Northern Ireland stay in Poundland after a No Deal Brexit? How about Scotland?Casino_Royale said:
It would seal a victory for a No Deal Brexit.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
Protestant majority counties should not be forced into the Republic against their will as the Conservative led government in 1921 accepted when it created Northern Ireland in the first place rather than forcing it into the new Catholic majority Irish Free State
Has anyone seen similar dials? There don't seem to be many on Google.0 -
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
That was the last time the Tory membership voted on the leaderJosiasJessop said:
My stopped clock (a Smiths of derby ex-engine room clock) is correct twice a day.HYUFD said:
ConHonlme got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot onJosiasJessop said:
About as much as a ConHome survey!HYUFD said:
So clearly zero polling evidence there then if you just want to be patheticIanB2 said:
But in a recent poll 50% of respondents agreed that HYUFD was deliberately spreading misinformation about the views of Tory members with 25% responding that he means well but is misguided. This PROVES you are wrong!HYUFD said:
It is the Conservative AND Unionist Party for a reason.williamglenn said:
Do any of your fellow Conservative activists share your passion for partitioning Northern Ireland or is it just your own hobby horse?HYUFD said:
Given the majority of Northern Ireland Protestants voted Leave anyway in the case of Protestant majority counties Antrim and Down indefinitely.williamglenn said:
How long would Northern Ireland stay in Poundland after a No Deal Brexit? How about Scotland?Casino_Royale said:
It would seal a victory for a No Deal Brexit.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
Protestant majority counties should not be forced into the Republic against their will as the Conservative led government in 1921 accepted when it created Northern Ireland in the first place rather than forcing it into the new Catholic majority Irish Free State0 -
Shameful. Truly shameful.HYUFD said:Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead body
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I wonder how Thanet Earth competes with Italian tomato growers.. especially if the Italians pay their pickers 1 euro per 100kg of toms.
"Their pay is as low as one euro for picking 100kg (221lb) of tomatoes"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45085211
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If the two groups cannot be linked (i.e. both groups don't have the same people), then:TheScreamingEagles said:O/T What’s the best statistical method to see if there’s a correlation between two data sets?
* Use a t-test if the data are numeric and has a normal distribution
* Use a Wilcoxon-Mann Whitney test if the data are numeric and the data doesn't have a normal distribution
* Use a chi-square test if the data are categorical and you have lots of numbers
* Use Fisher's exact test if the data are categorical and you do or do not have lots of numbers
If the two groups can be linked (i.e. both groups have the same people, or it's the same group at two different times), then:
* Use a paired t-test[1] if the data are numeric and has a normal distribution
* Use a Wilcoxon signed ranks test if the data are numeric and the data doesn't have a normal distribution
* Use a McNemar test if the data are categorical
This advice is submitted informally and I will not take any responsibility for any errors. Please make your own checks before proceeding.
https://stats.idre.ucla.edu/other/mult-pkg/whatstat/
https://www.graphpad.com/support/faqid/1790/
Notes
[1] You can also use a one-way repeated measures ANOVA for this but that's over-complicating things0 -
"Primus and Secondus" and "Tertius, Quartus, Quintus and Sextus" shurley?Roger said:
That made me laugh. You should have graffitied that. It deserves a wider audienceStark_Dawning said:
Presumably that's Onetus and Twotus. Where are Threetus, Fourtus, Fivetus and Sixtus?Dura_Ace said:
That picture of him, Ofjacob and his fucking weird kids on top of the ESB is just great.oxfordsimon said:No matter what you think of the man and his politics - this sort of thing is never acceptable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-450820530 -
No factual reality as anyone who understands the history of Northern Ireland would tell youwilliamglenn said:
Shameful. Truly shameful.HYUFD said:Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead body
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So labour don't want to challenge the claim by Hodge that Corbyn is an anti-Semite? Oooookie then.....0
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Maybe they could spray fire, issue electric shocks and deploy Alsatian dogs as well?Ishmael_Z said:
If the cameras face both ways and upload in real time vandalizing them has its challenges.Casino_Royale said:Fwiw, I agree that cameras on the border are almost certain to be routinely vandalised.
The solution is to have such customs checks intelligence led and in-border, not on the border, with NI having a special status in both the UK and wrt. to Eire and the EU.
Just like it does now.
There won’t be any physical infrastructure on the border. There can’t be.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t innovative solutions available with GPS, drones and electronic manifests, but the EU aren’t interested because they want to use NI to pull the UK closer to them.0 -
Speaks an avid Scottish Nationalist.williamglenn said:0 -
A very good point, sir. (It does have an hour hand though)Foxy said:
Surely it is correct 24 times per day?JosiasJessop said:
It's actually a very unusual clock: the dial has minutes but not hours on it. Apparently because there were things that had to be done at various minutes every hour. The hour didn't matter, but the minutes did.JosiasJessop said:
My stopped clock (a Smiths of derby ex-engine room clock) is correct twice a day.HYUFD said:
ConHonlme got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot onJosiasJessop said:
About as much as a ConHome survey!HYUFD said:
So clearly zero polling evidence there then if you just want to be patheticIanB2 said:
But in a recent poll 50% of respondents agreed that HYUFD was deliberately spreading misinformation about the views of Tory members with 25% responding that he means well but is misguided. This PROVES you are wrong!HYUFD said:
It is the Conservative AND Unionist Party for a reason.williamglenn said:
Do any of your fellow Conservative activists share your passion for partitioning Northern Ireland or is it just your own hobby horse?HYUFD said:
Given the majority of Northern Ireland Protestants voted Leave anyway in the case of Protestant majority counties Antrim and Down indefinitely.williamglenn said:
How long would Northern Ireland stay in Poundland after a No Deal Brexit? How about Scotland?Casino_Royale said:
It would seal a victory for a No Deal Brexit.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
Protestant majority counties should not be forced into the Republic against their will as the Conservative led government in 1921 accepted when it created Northern Ireland in the first place rather than forcing it into the new Catholic majority Irish Free State
Has anyone seen similar dials? There don't seem to be many on Google.0 -
Not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.FrancisUrquhart said:
There are already cameras are there not?Casino_Royale said:Fwiw, I agree that cameras on the border are almost certain to be routinely vandalised.
The solution is to have such customs checks intelligence led and in-border, not on the border, with NI having a special status in both the UK and wrt. to Eire and the EU.
Just like it does now.
There may be some traffic cameras here and there.0 -
Realistically it is. Formby being untrustworthy is hardly news. An inability of certain Labour members to look with a clear eye at themselves isn't news. Hodge isn't stupid, for all her faults. Launching a legal action over minor points of principle when she has actually got the key thing - a dropping of the case - would be (a) expensive and (b) pointless.oxfordsimon said:
From the comments on Hodge's twitter - they aren't pulling backkle4 said:
So it is over then. Over this week things will quiet down, then in a couple of months something else will happen. Predictable that the leadership will pull back, and that will be the reason that everyone else pulls back too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus Formby has lied in her letter.
It ain't over yet.
Unless somebody in the Labour Party deliberately libels her, I think this is the end of this part of the action.0 -
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
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You see innovation. To the small business who has to make their cross-border shipment drone compatible, it's nothing but an explosion of unnecessary red tape. We already have the perfect political innovation to solve this problem and it's called the EU.Casino_Royale said:That doesn’t mean there aren’t innovative solutions available with GPS, drones and electronic manifests, but the EU aren’t interested because they want to use NI to pull the UK closer to them.
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"An even smaller Protestant state for even fewer Protestant people"?HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
Because "one nation" is a convenient shorthand for "in a fiscal and political union as well as an economic union".Recidivist said:
And that is a more persuasive argument than 'because we are one continent' for what reason?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Recidivist, because we're one nation.
(And of course we aren't one nation - the UK is a multinational state.)
We have a single deficit (where we borrow money as one entity, backed by one economy and one interest rate" and raise tax money as one entity, with one (largely) single benefits system, taxation system, employment legislation system, and transfer money between richer and poorer areas directly.
Europe has differing taxation and benefits systems, placing stresses on the right interest rates for each area and the most appropriate value for the single monetary system, and completely lacks fiscal transfers of money from, say, Germany to Greece, or England to Estonia (or vice versa).
If all that were to exist, a single currency would be sensible.0 -
Yes, @Wulfrun_Phil is right. If you're just looking to compare swing versus marginality, then plotting a graph and fitting a line in Excel is good.Wulfrun_Phil said:
OK, since the data points are each of similar size and you are testing for no more than a simple linear relationship, ordinary least squares regression is fine and can be done on Excel. I assume you are measuring the size of the swing in a particular direction. If you are looking at the absolute scale of the swing regardless of direction you would need to convert all the negative swings to positive first. Think about subdividing your data sets e.g. would you expect a relationship for England/Wales to hold for Scotland as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
The more marginal the seat, the bigger the swing at the election.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It depends. Please be more specific.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T What’s the best statistical method to see if there’s a correlation between two data sets?
As a flourish, you might want to calculate the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_correlation_coefficient0 -
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
“Never never never eventually.”rpjs said:
"An even smaller Protestant state for even fewer Protestant people"?HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
@TheScreamingEagles
This is the reason why doing a graph first is a good idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anscombe's_quartet0 -
Hark at the Leavers worrying about someone else wrecking he country through out-of-date ideology.0
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Ha! It was in central Atlanta (and one of the few good things about Atlanta, along with the superb Optimist restaurant), so not quite up to your standards!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Definitely wasn't a proper dive bar then....for the proper hill billy experience you need to visit one where you aren't sure if it actually inhabited or is what is left after a tornado has hit. And wifi, is short for the wife firing at them for being caught having it away with their sister, not the devils incarnated internet machine.Anazina said:
Funnily enough I didn’t grasp the concept of a dive bar until this visit, whereupon I stumbled into one late night. I still was able to pay an iPad tip however (for a round of tequila with the locals!)FrancisUrquhart said:
You obviously haven't drunk in some the of the dive bars I have....Anazina said:
Restaurants, bars, coffee shops, hotels. Everywhere I went, they all had them. Didn’t need a scrap of cash.FrancisUrquhart said:
I didn't just mean restaurants.Anazina said:
You’ve clearly not been to the states for a while. They all have iPads where you just press a screen to add a tip. Done instantly.FrancisUrquhart said:
Did you not tip anybody? In US, that is seen as more than a tad rude.Anazina said:
I spent two and a half weeks in the states over the winter, touring through some fairly remote areas at times. I never touched a single dollar. Cash is dead.Foxy said:
It does show that a substantial minority of Britons are not merely wanting the status quo ante of spring 2016.HYUFD said:
A 67% win for sterling over the Euro would be the joint biggest landslide in any national vote in the UK since WW2 alongside the No to AV win in 2011 and the vote to join the Common Market in 1975.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
Personally, I am not bothered either way. On recent trips to Russia, Sweden and Spain I used electronic money and hardly touched physical cash.0 -
I do sometimes wonder if the dissolution of the United Kingdom wouldn't be in everybody's best interests.
I'm not sure it's something that I'd especially welcome but it would, at least, be a chance for us all to start over.0 -
It would certainly help us English to finally understand that we are very small country in a sea of great economic powers, and our only future is as part of one of them.Acorn_Antiques said:I do sometimes wonder if the dissolution of the United Kingdom wouldn't be in everybody's best interests.
I'm not sure it's something that I'd especially welcome but it would, at least, be a chance for us all to start over.0 -
In all seriousness, I don't massively dispute your central claim in regards to use of cash. I virtually never carry cash these days in the UK, and have $ and euro cards which are accepted pretty much everywhere.Anazina said:
Ha! It was in central Atlanta (and one of the few good things about Atlanta, along with the superb Optimist restaurant), so not quite up to your standards!!
I wonder though if it is a wealth thing. If you don't have much money, difficulty accessing banking services, on a meter for the leccy etc, do you still have to use cash for more things?
Where as if you have high speed internet where ever you go via an iCrap phone and multiple bank accounts in multiple currencies, it is a different world.0 -
Cheers.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles
This is the reason why doing a graph first is a good idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anscombe's_quartet
You’ll get a hat tip in a future thread.0 -
Don't worry, with a no deal Brexit, there'll be nothing left for Corbyn to destroy.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
President Donald Trump says he will fully enforce the sanctions being reimposed on Iran as a result of the US withdrawal from a 2015 nuclear deal.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-450855710 -
We are the biggest economy in the world bar the US, China, Germany and Japan.rpjs said:
It would certainly help us English to finally understand that we are very small country in a sea of great economic powers, and our only future is as part of one of them.Acorn_Antiques said:I do sometimes wonder if the dissolution of the United Kingdom wouldn't be in everybody's best interests.
I'm not sure it's something that I'd especially welcome but it would, at least, be a chance for us all to start over.
On your argument we should abolish all but 4 of the more than 190 countries in the world and just have economic blocks of the US and NAFTA, the EU, Japan, China, the Arab League, the African Union and ASEAN and Mercosur0 -
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
Does it not occur to those accused of Anti-Semitism that the people they accuse of Islamophobia (& vice-versa) probably feel as innocent as they they do? Both sides feign indignant outrage at the other while applying lashings of nuance to themselves. It would make for a happier world if that were reversed0
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There are more people in Antrim and Down than many countries from Luxembourg to Fiji but they would be staying in the UK anywayrpjs said:
"An even smaller Protestant state for even fewer Protestant people"?HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
And never in the Protestant counties where even under 45s want to stay in the UKbrendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!0 -
Maybe. I don't know anymore. I don't feel any confidence about the future, regardless of what happens with stupid politics. All of the idiots lie, they're all as malign as they are incompetent and none of them know what they're doing (and that goes, to varying degrees, for everybody else's as well as ours.) All useless, the lot of them. No point in planning for the future. It's going to be fucking dreadful whichever way you slice it, and there's nothing I can do to change it anyway. We can talk about this shit 'til kingdom come, we're all completely powerless. Reasoning, debate, voting, democracy itself, all completely worthless. A total waste of time.rpjs said:
It would certainly help us English to finally understand that we are very small country in a sea of great economic powers, and our only future is as part of one of them.Acorn_Antiques said:I do sometimes wonder if the dissolution of the United Kingdom wouldn't be in everybody's best interests.
I'm not sure it's something that I'd especially welcome but it would, at least, be a chance for us all to start over.
Personally I'm going to do my best to look out for myself and my family, not that there's very much I can do even about that, but I can try. There is literally no point in thinking about or caring about anything else.
On the plus side there's something nice for dinner. Best enjoy these things whilst there's food left in the shops and I can still afford to buy it. Goodnight.0 -
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out. 0 -
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
My solicitor quoted as an old legal maxim that the most expensive phrase in the English language is "point of principle".ydoethur said:
Realistically it is. Formby being untrustworthy is hardly news. An inability of certain Labour members to look with a clear eye at themselves isn't news. Hodge isn't stupid, for all her faults. Launching a legal action over minor points of principle when she has actually got the key thing - a dropping of the case - would be (a) expensive and (b) pointless.oxfordsimon said:
From the comments on Hodge's twitter - they aren't pulling backkle4 said:
So it is over then. Over this week things will quiet down, then in a couple of months something else will happen. Predictable that the leadership will pull back, and that will be the reason that everyone else pulls back too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus Formby has lied in her letter.
It ain't over yet.
Unless somebody in the Labour Party deliberately libels her, I think this is the end of this part of the action.0 -
Correct.HYUFD said:
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
A country that votes Remain is a second referendum is never going to make Farage PM, or Boris, or Gove, or any other Brexit supporter you could care to mention. There is no electoral future in Brexitism.HYUFD said:
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
Can I christen this “Project Frit”?HYUFD said:
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
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'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Shankhill Road' has a certain ring to it.HYUFD said:
There are more people in Antrim and Down than many countries from Luxembourg to Fiji but they would be staying in the UK anywayrpjs said:
"An even smaller Protestant state for even fewer Protestant people"?HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
I'm not sure I deserve it. The rather lengthy advice I gave concerned the differences between two datasets, but you were asking about the correlation between two variables, a different point. Consequently @Wulfrun_Phil's advice was better. However my remarks about the Pearson'r product-moment correlation coefficient and the Anscombe's quartet were hopefully helpful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles
This is the reason why doing a graph first is a good idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anscombe's_quartet
You’ll get a hat tip in a future thread.0 -
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
You keep on saying that, but it sniffs off.HYUFD said:
That was the last time the Tory membership voted on the leaderJosiasJessop said:
My stopped clock (a Smiths of derby ex-engine room clock) is correct twice a day.HYUFD said:
ConHonlme got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot onJosiasJessop said:
About as much as a ConHome survey!HYUFD said:
So clearly zero polling evidence there then if you just want to be patheticIanB2 said:
But in a recent poll 50% of respondents agreed that HYUFD was deliberately spreading misinformation about the views of Tory members with 25% responding that he means well but is misguided. This PROVES you are wrong!HYUFD said:
It is the Conservative AND Unionist Party for a reason.williamglenn said:
Do any of your fellow Conservative activists share your passion for partitioning Northern Ireland or is it just your own hobby horse?HYUFD said:
Given the majority of Northern Ireland Protestants voted Leave anyway in the case of Protestant majority counties Antrim and Down indefinitely.williamglenn said:
How long would Northern Ireland stay in Poundland after a No Deal Brexit? How about Scotland?Casino_Royale said:
It would seal a victory for a No Deal Brexit.williamglenn said:
More recent polls are available. Put it in a binary referendum versus a No Deal Brexit and it would stand a good chance.RobD said:Nor do we have the option of joining the Euro. A poll back in 2012 put support for joining the Euro at 6%.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/943497227342962689
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
Protestant majority counties should not be forced into the Republic against their will as the Conservative led government in 1921 accepted when it created Northern Ireland in the first place rather than forcing it into the new Catholic majority Irish Free State
Firstly, there is a chance they got it wrong for the right reasons; this can happen. Then, there is a (IMO massive) assumption that what made it 'right' last time remains unchanged; that with the rise of UKIP and the other massive changes in politics and on the web have not affected its accuracy.0 -
38% back No Deal Brexit on first preference in the latest YouGov, 46% on second preference.williamglenn said:
A country that votes Remain is a second referendum is never going to make Farage PM, or Boris, or Gove, or any other Brexit supporter you could care to mention. There is no electoral future in Brexitism.HYUFD said:
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
UKIP could even win a majority on 38% under FPTP, see the Tories in 2015, Labour in 2005 or the SNP in 2017
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Seems unlikely to have made it worse, since at the end of the day the main point of contention was the continuing investigation and that has been stopped - that the annoyance and irritation remains due to the apparently disingenuous explanation of why the investigation was stopped doesn't mean it is worse, as such. It's not as though Hodge will be able to escalate things that much in response.oxfordsimon said:https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1026543294036111360
Formby's letter has made things worse.0 -
See the 1993 Canadian general election where the Liberals won and the Progressive Conservatives went from government to fifth place and were overtaken by the populist rightwing Reform Party who won 52 seats with the PCs going from 156 seats to just 2 seats after abandoning their base.williamglenn said:
Can I christen this “Project Frit”?HYUFD said:
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
Don't forget either the 2014 Euro election results were UKIP first on 27%, Labour second on 24% and the Tories third on 23%.0 -
If you think that poll translates into 38% in a FPTP election for a No Deal Brexit party you need your head read.HYUFD said:
38% back No Deal Brexit on first preference in the latest YouGov, 46% on second preference.williamglenn said:
A country that votes Remain is a second referendum is never going to make Farage PM, or Boris, or Gove, or any other Brexit supporter you could care to mention. There is no electoral future in Brexitism.HYUFD said:
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
UKIP could even win a majority on 38% under FPTP, see the Tories in 2015, Labour in 2005 or the SNP in 20170 -
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.0 -
No messing with the latter part anywaySandyRentool said:
'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Shankhill Road' has a certain ring to it.HYUFD said:
There are more people in Antrim and Down than many countries from Luxembourg to Fiji but they would be staying in the UK anywayrpjs said:
"An even smaller Protestant state for even fewer Protestant people"?HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:0 -
That election has more in common with GE 2017 than the scenario after a second referendum in which the political landscape would be completely transformed.HYUFD said:
See the 1993 Canadian general election where the Liberals won and the Progressive Conservatives went from government to fifth place and were overtaken by the populist rightwing Reform Party who won 52 seats with the PCs going from 156 seats to just 2 seats after abandoning their base.williamglenn said:
Can I christen this “Project Frit”?HYUFD said:
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
Don't forget either the 2014 Euro election results were UKIP first on 27%, Labour second on 24% and the Tories third on 23%.0 -
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
Uh no. An election in which the governing centre right party lost just 12 seats and increased its voteshare from 37% to 42% and stayed in power even if without a majority and where the populist rightwing party went from 12% to under 2% and won 0 seats, has no connection at all with an election where the governing centre right party lost 154 seats and went from 43% of the vote to just 16% and was overtaken by a populist rightwing party which got 19% and 52 seats.williamglenn said:
That election has more in common with GE 2017 than the scenario after a second referendum in which the political landscape would be completely transformed.HYUFD said:
See the 1993 Canadian general election where the Liberals won and the Progressive Conservatives went from government to fifth place and were overtaken by the populist rightwing Reform Party who won 52 seats with the PCs going from 156 seats to just 2 seats after abandoning their base.williamglenn said:
Can I christen this “Project Frit”?HYUFD said:
No it could well see not only a Corbyn win but the Tories coming third behind UKIPwilliamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
Don't forget either the 2014 Euro election results were UKIP first on 27%, Labour second on 24% and the Tories third on 23%.0 -
YouGov had 38% willing to vote for a rightwing pro Brexit party and 24% for a hard right anti immigration party in the same poll.williamglenn said:
If you think that poll translates into 38% in a FPTP election for a No Deal Brexit party you need your head read.HYUFD said:
38% back No Deal Brexit on first preference in the latest YouGov, 46% on second preference.williamglenn said:
A country that votes Remain is a second referendum is never going to make Farage PM, or Boris, or Gove, or any other Brexit supporter you could care to mention. There is no electoral future in Brexitism.HYUFD said:
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
UKIP could even win a majority on 38% under FPTP, see the Tories in 2015, Labour in 2005 or the SNP in 20170 -
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
She might. She has money to burn and with the pound falling, her wealth increases.kle4 said:
Seems unlikely to have made it worse, since at the end of the day the main point of contention was the continuing investigation and that has been stopped - that the annoyance and irritation remains due to the apparently disingenuous explanation of why the investigation was stopped doesn't mean it is worse, as such. It's not as though Hodge will be able to escalate things that much in response.oxfordsimon said:https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1026543294036111360
Formby's letter has made things worse.0 -
Are you suggesting there is no such thing as anti Semitism in this world? No such thing as islamophobia? Everyone’s innocent?JohnRussell said:Does it not occur to those accused of Anti-Semitism that the people they accuse of Islamophobia (& vice-versa) probably feel as innocent as they they do? Both sides feign indignant outrage at the other while applying lashings of nuance to themselves. It would make for a happier world if that were reversed
The truth is it’s very much part of all our DNA to hate. First target of our hatred is what is different than ourselves. Second target is serial winners.0 -
It is nothing to do with the Hodge process and everything to do with the complete clusterf*ck that is the Labour Party machine.kle4 said:
Seems unlikely to have made it worse, since at the end of the day the main point of contention was the continuing investigation and that has been stopped - that the annoyance and irritation remains due to the apparently disingenuous explanation of why the investigation was stopped doesn't mean it is worse, as such. It's not as though Hodge will be able to escalate things that much in response.oxfordsimon said:https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1026543294036111360
Formby's letter has made things worse.
Lying about an expression of regret at this time is utterly idiotic. It was called out within seconds.
Dropping the investigation might draw a line under that - but doing it this way has extended the story where it could helped start drawing a line under the whole issue.
Austin still appears to be under investigation...0 -
Indeed but it's hardly an advert for the success of the Euro and the Irish [like our banks] were very lucky that we were both big enough to bail them out and had our own independent currency to do so with.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.
If we had been in the Euro then we'd have been struggling as much as Ireland and there would have been nobody big enough to bail us out.0 -
Why ? The pound has been tanking since the Euro started.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed but it's hardly an advert for the success of the Euro and the Irish [like our banks] were very lucky that we were both big enough to bail them out and had our own independent currency to do so with.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.
If we had been in the Euro then we'd have been struggling as much as Ireland and there would have been nobody big enough to bail us out.0 -
Until her local clp requests her deselection and loss of the LP whip in the Commons. Checking her constituency FB pages and local newspapers, it isn't far off. She is decidedly not liked by local activists, the supporters and more importantly, the voters.kle4 said:
So it is over then. Over this week things will quiet down, then in a couple of months something else will happen. Predictable that the leadership will pull back, and that will be the reason that everyone else pulls back too.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I have never argued with the fact that if the Catholic majority counties of Northern Ireland want to join the Republic of Ireland that is up to them. My argument has been the Protestant majority counties of Northern Ireland will not accept being forced into the Republic of Ireland against their win.surby said:
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
That's the point!surby said:
Why ? The pound has been tanking since the Euro started.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed but it's hardly an advert for the success of the Euro and the Irish [like our banks] were very lucky that we were both big enough to bail them out and had our own independent currency to do so with.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.
If we had been in the Euro then we'd have been struggling as much as Ireland and there would have been nobody big enough to bail us out.0 -
No, I'm not suggesting there are no such things, but that if the people making allegations gave those they are accusing the same amount of leeway they feel they deserve themselves, it would actually be kinder, gentler politics.LordOfReason said:
Are you suggesting there is no such thing as anti Semitism in this world? No such thing as islamophobia? Everyone’s innocent?JohnRussell said:Does it not occur to those accused of Anti-Semitism that the people they accuse of Islamophobia (& vice-versa) probably feel as innocent as they they do? Both sides feign indignant outrage at the other while applying lashings of nuance to themselves. It would make for a happier world if that were reversed
The truth is it’s very much part of all our DNA to hate. First target of our hatred is what is different than ourselves. Second target is serial winners.0 -
It's a completely spurious point because reunification will not come about by the kind of majoritarian triumphalism that has characterised Brexit.HYUFD said:
No. I have never argued with the fact that if the Catholic majority counties of Northern Ireland want to join the Republic of Ireland that is up to them. My argument has been the Protestant majority counties of Northern Ireland will not accept being forced into the Republic of Ireland against their win.surby said:
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
We would have had an even more extreme house price boom, and an almighty bust.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed but it's hardly an advert for the success of the Euro and the Irish [like our banks] were very lucky that we were both big enough to bail them out and had our own independent currency to do so with.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.
If we had been in the Euro then we'd have been struggling as much as Ireland and there would have been nobody big enough to bail us out.
Mind you, we would probably have been forced to address our unsustainable economic model a little earlier.0 -
If Brexit were reversed, would you favour joining the Euro?rcs1000 said:
We would have had an even more extreme house price boom, and an almighty bust.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed but it's hardly an advert for the success of the Euro and the Irish [like our banks] were very lucky that we were both big enough to bail them out and had our own independent currency to do so with.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.
If we had been in the Euro then we'd have been struggling as much as Ireland and there would have been nobody big enough to bail us out.
Mind you, we would probably have been forced to address our unsustainable economic model a little earlier.0 -
Don’t get me wrong, if Corbin gets in, it will be an economic rollercoaster, it’s going to be bad. But to say it going to be as bad as Venezuela is just plain embarrassing. A fact based on what exactly? There is no one on earth who will believe PM Corbyn will turn us into Venezuela. To become Venezuela you need to be Venezuela. It’s a lazy type of Project fear. It actually plays to Corbins “outsider” strengths. The right wing press got at Milliband more effectively, for example Two Kitchens meant “he wasn’t one of the people”. That’s the right way to undermine your political opponents. Pushing Corbin = Venezuela thing is just childish. You can show it to me again, but your credibility will diminish in my eyes when you do.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.0 -
Apologies, I've only just seen this. The bold bits are my emphasisIshmael_Z said:
Citation needed for that statutory duty to warn. I am guessing it's a fiction loosely themed on Bagehot on the monarchy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I pointed out the other day The Governor of the Bank of England has a statutory obligation to ensure financial stability and warn when that is at risk.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, worth pointing out that Fox is a political animal and the Governor of the Bank of England ought not be.
Also, people take Carney more seriously...
Dr. Foxy, alarming to see the damage done to Mogg's property, and a bookshop under attack.
He was doing his job.
Just like when his predecessor warned about the dangers of too much government borrowing during the last Labour government.
https://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2009/07/crisis-king-bank-governor
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8469373.stm
Section 9W
Financial stability reports by Financial Policy Committee
(1)The Financial Policy Committee must prepare and publish reports relating to financial stability (“financial stability reports”).
(2)Two financial stability reports must be published in each calendar year.
(3)A financial stability report must include—
(a) the Committee's view of the stability of the UK financial system at the time when the report is prepared,
(b)an assessment of the developments that have influenced the current position,
(c) an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the UK financial system,
(d) an assessment of risks to the stability of the UK financial system, and
(e) the Committee's view of the outlook for the stability of the UK financial system
(4) snipped
(11)Publication of a financial stability report is to be in such manner as the Bank thinks fit.
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The Irish problem wasn't the Euro. It was excessive lending by the Irish banks, funded by UK banks and others, to finance the enormous Irish property boom that then collapsed. The Irish banks were left with billions of bad debts and anxious non-Irish creditors who had taken a risk for higher returns but wanted to be bailed out. The Irish government should have done an Iceland on it.rcs1000 said:
(Yes... except we didn't have any choice but to contribute to the Irish bailout as our own banks were enormously exposed. It was self interest dressed up as altruism.)Philip_Thompson said:
Yes Ireland is a good case against Euro membership. I am assuming you are referring to us needing to bail them out as if they were RBS?Recidivist said:
Ireland.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Greece.Recidivist said:Just changed some money for a trip to Berlin. In the real world, shouldn't we be arguing about whether it is now time to join the Euro rather than even thinking about leaving the EU?
If anyone has an argument for not joining the Euro that doesn't involve invoking arcane knowledge of economics that can't be explained in everyday language, I'd love to hear it.0 -
Reunification will not come about by dismissing the wishes of Ulster Protestants just as your Hegelian march to the UK being in a Federal EU superstate will not come about by ignoring the working class and lower middle class majority which voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
It's a completely spurious point because reunification will not come about by the kind of majoritarian triumphalism that has characterised Brexit.HYUFD said:
No. I have never argued with the fact that if the Catholic majority counties of Northern Ireland want to join the Republic of Ireland that is up to them. My argument has been the Protestant majority counties of Northern Ireland will not accept being forced into the Republic of Ireland against their win.surby said:
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.
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You truly have a poll for every season.HYUFD said:
YouGov had 38% willing to vote for a rightwing pro Brexit party and 24% for a hard right anti immigration party in the same poll.williamglenn said:
If you think that poll translates into 38% in a FPTP election for a No Deal Brexit party you need your head read.HYUFD said:
38% back No Deal Brexit on first preference in the latest YouGov, 46% on second preference.williamglenn said:
A country that votes Remain is a second referendum is never going to make Farage PM, or Boris, or Gove, or any other Brexit supporter you could care to mention. There is no electoral future in Brexitism.HYUFD said:
And quite possibly ultimately making Farage PMRobD said:
It must be a total coincidence that your plan has the added bonus of shafting the Tory party...williamglenn said:
You should make plans... to go to conference and tell every Tory that a second referendum with an option to Remain would be the best way to shaft Corbyn and make sure he never comes to power.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
UKIP could even win a majority on 38% under FPTP, see the Tories in 2015, Labour in 2005 or the SNP in 20170 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
In all seriousness, I don't massively dispute your central claim in regards to use of cash. I virtually never carry cash these days in the UK, and have $ and euro cards which are accepted pretty much everywhere.Anazina said:
Ha! It was in central Atlanta (and one of the few good things about Atlanta, along with the superb Optimist restaurant), so not quite up to your standards!!
I wonder though if it is a wealth thing. If you don't have much money, difficulty accessing banking services, on a meter for the leccy etc, do you still have to use cash for more things?
Where as if you have high speed internet where ever you go via an iCrap phone and multiple bank accounts in multiple currencies, it is a different world.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
I’m no Corbyn fan but do you realise how ridiculous and hypocritical you are? Let’s refresh our memory: you said that you would consider economic collapse a price worth paying for Brexit. Ugh.
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Good point. I reckon the EU saves me about 40 hours paperwork a month.williamglenn said:
You see innovation. To the small business who has to make their cross-border shipment drone compatible, it's nothing but an explosion of unnecessary red tape. We already have the perfect political innovation to solve this problem and it's called the EU.Casino_Royale said:That doesn’t mean there aren’t innovative solutions available with GPS, drones and electronic manifests, but the EU aren’t interested because they want to use NI to pull the UK closer to them.
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Maybe not Venezuala, Lopez Obrador's Mexico or Tsipras' Greece maybe. In the latter the centre right main opposition New Democracy Party leads the governing populist left Syriza Party in all the latest polls by margins of up to 15%. So a Corbyn government may be bad for the country but maybe not so bad for the Tories after all.LordOfReason said:
Don’t get me wrong, if Corbin gets in, it will be an economic rollercoaster, it’s going to be bad. But to say it going to be as bad as Venezuela is just plain embarrassing. A fact based on what exactly? There is no one on earth who will believe PM Corbyn will turn us into Venezuela. To become Venezuela you need to be Venezuela. It’s a lazy type of Project fear. It actually plays to Corbins “outsider” strengths. The right wing press got at Milliband more effectively, for example Two Kitchens meant “he wasn’t one of the people”. That’s the right way to undermine your political opponents. Pushing Corbin = Venezuela thing is just childish. You can show it to me again, but your credibility will diminish in my eyes when you do.RoyalBlue said:
Eesh. I’m beginning to wonder whether I should start making plans. I think he’ll bring the shutters down quite quickly.Acorn_Antiques said:
Our daily reminder to take nearly everything out of the bank and buy gold the moment Corbyn gets his hands on power.FrancisUrquhart said:In other news, in Corbyn-land.....
An egg costs 200,000 times more than a litre of gasoline in Venezuela as the country's economy is ravaged by hyperinflation, it has emerged.
Maduro has announced 29 plans to adjust the price of petrol and regulate sales based on the so-called 'fatherland card' providing access to subsidies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032367/Venezuela-price-chaos-gasoline-costs-just-one-Bolivar-egg-costs-200-000-times-much.html
There'll be virtually nothing left to save by the time he's finished with us, but at least one can try to prevent oneself being completely wiped out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Greek_legislative_election0 -
If Brexiteers think they have ownership of "working class and lower middle class" votes they are in for a rude awakening over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Reunification will not come about by dismissing the wishes of Ulster Protestants just as your Hegelian march to the UK being in a Federal EU superstate will not come about by ignoring the working class and lower middle class majority which voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
It's a completely spurious point because reunification will not come about by the kind of majoritarian triumphalism that has characterised Brexit.HYUFD said:
No. I have never argued with the fact that if the Catholic majority counties of Northern Ireland want to join the Republic of Ireland that is up to them. My argument has been the Protestant majority counties of Northern Ireland will not accept being forced into the Republic of Ireland against their win.surby said:
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.0 -
Francis
Yes, I think that’s true to some extent. But the whole concept of cash is flawed when technology makes it unnecessary. It’s decline is unstoppable, worldwide.0 -
You have shown nothing but contempt for the way they have voted in every post you have made. Even now 46% of C2DE voters think Britain was right to leave the EU compared to only 39% who think it was wrongwilliamglenn said:
If Brexiteers think they have ownership of "working class and lower middle class" votes they are in for a rude awakening over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Reunification will not come about by dismissing the wishes of Ulster Protestants just as your Hegelian march to the UK being in a Federal EU superstate will not come about by ignoring the working class and lower middle class majority which voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
It's a completely spurious point because reunification will not come about by the kind of majoritarian triumphalism that has characterised Brexit.HYUFD said:
No. I have never argued with the fact that if the Catholic majority counties of Northern Ireland want to join the Republic of Ireland that is up to them. My argument has been the Protestant majority counties of Northern Ireland will not accept being forced into the Republic of Ireland against their win.surby said:
Equally the former of Armagh, Antrim and Down cannot tell everyone else what to do either.HYUFD said:
Actually it just shows the toughest most stubborn and faith driven people in the British Isles and Ireland are now Protestants in Ulster, the Republic of Ireland is increasingly just as largely secular and liberal meterosexual as most of us on the mainland UK are and they are not going to be able to tell the former what to dosurby said:
Very good article. The irony being that "loyal" Brits are hastening the day of a united Ireland.brendan16 said:
And assuming - as the poll quoted does - that over 45s will not be allowed to vote in the referendum on a united Ireland!HYUFD said:
Over Protestant majority Counties Antrim and Down's dead bodywilliamglenn said:
It may be a while yet!
As the article observes: "The theocracy that it was rightly or wrongly perceived to be under
de Valera, which frightened many in the north, is long past. Now under an openly gay Taoiseach of mixed race background, a new modern, self-confident and inclusive Ireland is flourishing in its society as in its economy. Meanwhile it’s the north under the DUP where illiberalism and prejudice are not just rampant but enshrined, all with the support of the Tory Government.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eswcvhvq60/TimesResults_180723_VI_Trackers_w.pdf0 -
Hyufd
Your own bloody poll shows the folly of treating ‘working class and lower middle class’ voters as some sort of bloc vote.0 -
williamglenn said:
But it's not a barrier - it's exactly the same as the status quo. There were two different currencies before Ireland joined the Euro and there remained two different currencies afterwards, albeit with the option that the UK could join the same currency in the future.Sean_F said:
If the GFA is predicated upon economic integration between North and South, as you claim, then if one party imposes a barrier to economic integration, by joining a single currency zone that the other party refuses to join, then obviously it's relevant.
The GFA seems to mean whatever you want it to mean. You can't point to actual paragraphs that back up your claims, but you just make the claims anyway.
From the GFA:
"Wishing to develop still further the unique relationship between their peoples and the close co-operation between their countries as friendly neighbours and as partners in the European Union"
"17. The Council to consider the European Union dimension of relevant matters, including the implementation of EU policies and programmes and proposals under consideration in the EU framework. Arrangements to be made to ensure that the views of the Council are taken into account and represented appropriately at relevant EU meetings. "
The British/Irish Council agreeing to "consider the European Union Dimension of relevant matters" is a very, very long way from either government being committed to remain part of the EU.
Another example is corporation tax. Ireland is a corporate tax haven. Its corporate tax laws are very different from those of Northern Ireland. But, no one supposes that either jurisdiction is expected to harmonise its corporate tax laws.0
