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Because Saudi Arabia is an American ally. He opposes our alliances and arms sales to our allies. Try finding an enemy of America he has had the balls to criticise. Try the theocratic state of Iran for starters. Good luck!surby said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-saudi-arabia-yemen-war-arms-supplies-uk-theresa-may-latest-a8243916.htmlydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
https://www.ft.com/content/34b8642e-2215-11e8-9a70-08f715791301
Corbyn had the guts to criticise Saudi Arabia and arms sales to them. No other politician had the ball£ to say it.-1 -
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
You need a job offer on arrival under the mobility framework rather than after 3 months as nowPhilip_Thompson said:
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.0 -
The EU haven't agreed to it and it changes nothing. Don't forget that you can arrive as a tourist at any time and job hunt. Then once you have a job offer *bam* job done. Incidentally tourists can he here for 3 months.HYUFD said:
You need a job offer on arrival under the mobility framework rather than after 3 months as nowPhilip_Thompson said:
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
Norway is a "vassal state" and it also has freedom of movement. It seems to sort of work for them, although the government of that country thinks it's nonsense to follow the rules but not take the option of having a say over what they are. The Norwegians are content to outsource a large chunk of their foreign and trade policy to a third party but I am not convinced the UK will readily accept that. I take Norway seriously because I think that's where we will end up. But it isn't.an easy option.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility framework so you need a job offer or offer of study on arrival rather than after 3 months as nowFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
It will only lead to a Labour government if Labour are electable. Most likely IMO is Tories limp on in 2022 like they did in 1992. Kinnock wasn't magically electable the second time around nor will Corbyn be.John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.0 -
Turkey and Ukraine have deals in place which allow their drivers to drive. We’re discussing what would happen if there is no such deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
I know this is really hard for you - a bit like reflecting on your own mortality - but do try to internalise what the words ‘no deal’ mean.0 -
People on here will remember better than me - but I THINK there was a poll (for best PM / next PM?) literally only DAYS before Major actually became PM where he scored 3% amongst the public.
The point being his poll rating rose at an absolutely astonishing rate as he came into the picture and the public discovered who he was.
The same could easily happen with someone like Hunt or Javid.0 -
I think Labour's base is pretty solid. The Tories will lose the election, rather than Labour win it, because a good chunk of the Tory base is going to sit on its hands.Philip_Thompson said:
It will only lead to a Labour government if Labour are electable. Most likely IMO is Tories limp on in 2022 like they did in 1992. Kinnock wasn't magically electable the second time around nor will Corbyn be.John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.0 -
In 1992 though the right was united behind Major who got 42% ie the same as May in 2017.Philip_Thompson said:
It will only lead to a Labour government if Labour are electable. Most likely IMO is Tories limp on in 2022 like they did in 1992. Kinnock wasn't magically electable the second time around nor will Corbyn be.John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.
By 1997 the right was not united behind Major and almost a million 1992 Tories voted Referendum Party and UKIP and 2 million stayed home (more combined than the 2 million who switched to Labour or the LDs) and Blair won a landslide and Major got just 30%0 -
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/668224527604781056MikeL said:People on here will remember better than me - but I THINK there was a poll (for best PM / next PM?) literally only DAYS before Major actually became PM where he scored 3% amongst the public.
The point being his poll rating rose at an absolutely astonishing rate as he came into the picture and the public discovered who he was.
The same could easily happen with someone like Hunt or Javid.0 -
Under a BINO Tory leader probably.John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.
The irony is if a BINO Tory leader loses the next general election the Tories will elect a hard Brexiteer anyway to succeed them meaning at least the next decade if not more will be under a Corbyn Labour or hard Brexit Tory government0 -
Barry Chuckle has died, aged 73. The world will never be the same again.0
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Afternoon from a gloriously sunny Lake District!John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.
A Labour government I could live with. It’s the SWP/BNP-lite government masquerading under the Labour brand which is the problem.0 -
Bar charts anyone ?MarqueeMark said:
May lost an unloseable election.
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Bielsa working his magic on Leeds United.0
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After trying hard Brexit and Corbyn Norway may be where we end up but it could take over a decade to get there.FF43 said:
Norway is a "vassal state" and it also has freedom of movement. It seems to sort of work for them, although the government of that country thinks it's nonsense to follow the rules but not take the option of having a say over what they are. The Norwegians are content to outsource a large chunk of their foreign and trade policy to a third party but I am not convinced the UK will readily accept that. I take Norway seriously because I think that's where we will end up. But it isn't.an easy option.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility framework so you need a job offer or offer of study on arrival rather than after 3 months as nowFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
Norway decides its own foreign policy and is not in the customs union so also largely decides its own trade policy external to the EU but being a member of the single market it has to follow EU rules and directives on European trade policy inside the EU0 -
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2005-06/1228&hl=en-ETPhilip_Thompson said:
Because Saudi Arabia is an American ally. He opposes our alliances and arms sales to our allies. Try finding an enemy of America he has had the balls to criticise. Try the theocratic state of Iran for starters. Good luck!surby said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-saudi-arabia-yemen-war-arms-supplies-uk-theresa-may-latest-a8243916.htmlydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
https://www.ft.com/content/34b8642e-2215-11e8-9a70-08f715791301
Corbyn had the guts to criticise Saudi Arabia and arms sales to them. No other politician had the ball£ to say it.
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2010-12/2526&grqid=WJpiCxJg&s=1&hl=en-ET&geid=1042
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2005-06/1472&grqid=bBD6ziSL&s=1&hl=en-ET&geid=10420 -
You're wrong on both points.HYUFD said:Given the last Yougov had a Javid or Hunt led Tories on 29% ie 1997 style Corbyn Labour landslide and Boris Tories on 38% ie likely still largest party the answer is obvious, Boris would have to go to the members or the Tories face annihilation.
It was the polling showing Major beating Kinnock Labour that was key to his win, Javid and Hunt are now senior Cabinet ministers and must improve their polling fast
Polling actually showed Kinnok beating Major, because like Javid and Hunt, nobody knew who he was.
And, if we had an election with Tories on 29% with Javid and Labour on 40% with Corbyn, as per the Poll you cite, Labour could potentially still be 1 seat short of a majority (per the electoral calculus website), similar to the Tories being 20 short in 2010 with an 8pt vote lead. Even if Labour won a majority it almost certainly wouldn't be 2005 sized, let alone 1997.0 -
They need permits.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
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The EU recognises International Driving Permits for which the UK is signed up to and predates not just the EU, but the EEC too. To get one costs all of £5.50Bromptonaut said:
Turkey and Ukraine have deals in place which allow their drivers to drive. We’re discussing what would happen if there is no such deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
I know this is really hard for you - a bit like reflecting on your own mortality - but do try to internalise what the words ‘no deal’ mean.
Please tell me why you think the EU is going to stop recognising the IDP because of Brexit. Or are British hauliers too broke to spend £5.50?0 -
The EU have not refuted it either unlike the UK collecting levies for the EU.Philip_Thompson said:
The EU haven't agreed to it and it changes nothing. Don't forget that you can arrive as a tourist at any time and job hunt. Then once you have a job offer *bam* job done. Incidentally tourists can he here for 3 months.HYUFD said:
You need a job offer on arrival under the mobility framework rather than after 3 months as nowPhilip_Thompson said:
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
The mobility framework would be closer to the transition controls Blair could have imposed in 2004 on free movement from the new accession countries but did not0 -
Well, good afternoon from the dessicated plains formerly known as the Somerset Levels!Cyclefree said:
Afternoon from a gloriously sunny Lake District!John_M said:
One of the inflection points during the EUref campaign was Cameron's announcement on his renegotiation, which was very poorly received even among the anoraks on here. If May tries to sell her sack of shit to her base, it's going to go down worse.HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
Bottom line is, HMG have fucked up the negotiation, and while I don't see this as the End of Days, it's going to result in a Labour government in 2022. There are worse fates.
A Labour government I could live with. It’s the SWP/BNP-lite government masquerading under the Labour brand which is the problem.
Whenever I hear prognostications of gloom, I'm always reminded of the story of the thief who undertakes to teach the King's horse to sing
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The UK will agree effective freedom of movement with the EU so hauliers don't have to rely on a limited number of member.states' transit permits as Turkish and Ukrainian lorry drivers do.Bromptonaut said:
Turkey and Ukraine have deals in place which allow their drivers to drive. We’re discussing what would happen if there is no such deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
I know this is really hard for you - a bit like reflecting on your own mortality - but do try to internalise what the words ‘no deal’ mean.0 -
Permits that ours could buy is not preventing anyone. I need a permit to do my job, guess what I got the permit. It cost more than £5.50 to get too.williamglenn said:
They need permits.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
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Your first point is wrong. The first head to head between a Major led Tories and a Kinnock led Labour in 1990 had a Major led Tories ahead as a Heseltine led Tories were while a Thatcher led Tories trailed Kinnock Labour. See Alan Clark's diaries or the Gallup archives.Theonlylampshade said:
You're wrong on both points.HYUFD said:Given the last Yougov had a Javid or Hunt led Tories on 29% ie 1997 style Corbyn Labour landslide and Boris Tories on 38% ie likely still largest party the answer is obvious, Boris would have to go to the members or the Tories face annihilation.
It was the polling showing Major beating Kinnock Labour that was key to his win, Javid and Hunt are now senior Cabinet ministers and must improve their polling fast
Polling actually showed Kinnok beating Major, because like Javid and Hunt, nobody knew who he was.
And, if we had an election with Tories on 29% with Javid and Labour on 40% with Corbyn, as per the Poll you cite, Labour could potentially still be 1 seat short of a majority (per the electoral calculus website), similar to the Tories being 20 short in 2010 with an 8pt vote lead. Even if Labour won a majority it almost certainly wouldn't be 2005 sized, let alone 1997.
An 11% Labour lead would almost match the 12% Labour lead in 1997. The Tories only lacked a majority in 2010 as the LDs got 23% and over 60 seats.
On UNS an 11% Labour lead implies a 6.5% swing to Labour and would see them gain 94 seats for a majority of about 68.
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I will never consider BorisHYUFD said:
Fine. Have a dull uncharismatic BINO Tory leader at the next general election, then see Corbyn win a large majority as Tory Leavers stay home or vote UKIP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hyufd has a lot of interesting information and thoughts but his worship of polls undermines a lot of his postsPhilip_Thompson said:
I really don't understand your religious belief in polls as the Biblical Truth. They're a snapshot and not a very good one at that, MPs understand that.HYUFD said:Tory MPs want to keep their seats, polls show Boris best able to do that.
BINO would relaunch Farage quicker than Lazarus
Then you might consider Boris, most Tory member including myself in the latest polls already are0 -
More empty words
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647
He isn't convincing anyone.
Still issuing a non-apology.0 -
Most Tory members would hence he now leads the ConHome next Tory leader member polling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never consider BorisHYUFD said:
Fine. Have a dull uncharismatic BINO Tory leader at the next general election, then see Corbyn win a large majority as Tory Leavers stay home or vote UKIP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hyufd has a lot of interesting information and thoughts but his worship of polls undermines a lot of his postsPhilip_Thompson said:
I really don't understand your religious belief in polls as the Biblical Truth. They're a snapshot and not a very good one at that, MPs understand that.HYUFD said:Tory MPs want to keep their seats, polls show Boris best able to do that.
BINO would relaunch Farage quicker than Lazarus
Then you might consider Boris, most Tory member including myself in the latest polls already are
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Not only is ConHome not the same as the Tory membership but Boris isn't getting "most" of ConHome backing him. He is getting a plurality of support not a majority.HYUFD said:
Most Tory members would hence he now leads the ConHome member polling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never consider BorisHYUFD said:
Fine. Have a dull uncharismatic BINO Tory leader at the next general election, then see Corbyn win a large majority as Tory Leavers stay home or vote UKIP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hyufd has a lot of interesting information and thoughts but his worship of polls undermines a lot of his postsPhilip_Thompson said:
I really don't understand your religious belief in polls as the Biblical Truth. They're a snapshot and not a very good one at that, MPs understand that.HYUFD said:Tory MPs want to keep their seats, polls show Boris best able to do that.
BINO would relaunch Farage quicker than Lazarus
Then you might consider Boris, most Tory member including myself in the latest polls already are
If you want to stay in a Boris led Tories is up to you
If you want to stay in a Hammond or whoever else is next led party then that would be up to you.0 -
I will not be leaving the party nor will the party have Boris. He would be a total disasterHYUFD said:
Most Tory members would hence he now leads the ConHome member polling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never consider BorisHYUFD said:
Fine. Have a dull uncharismatic BINO Tory leader at the next general election, then see Corbyn win a large majority as Tory Leavers stay home or vote UKIP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hyufd has a lot of interesting information and thoughts but his worship of polls undermines a lot of his postsPhilip_Thompson said:
I really don't understand your religious belief in polls as the Biblical Truth. They're a snapshot and not a very good one at that, MPs understand that.HYUFD said:Tory MPs want to keep their seats, polls show Boris best able to do that.
BINO would relaunch Farage quicker than Lazarus
Then you might consider Boris, most Tory member including myself in the latest polls already are
If you want to stay in a Boris led Tories is up to you
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This assumes current boundaries and a uniform swing, i.e. takes no account of Scottish peculiarities or the implementation of changes that will almost certainly clear Parliament if the Conservatives manage to hold on for a full term. Besides, the Tories haven't polled under 30% since 1832, so they ought to do better than that. That's the good news.Theonlylampshade said:
You're wrong on both points.HYUFD said:Given the last Yougov had a Javid or Hunt led Tories on 29% ie 1997 style Corbyn Labour landslide and Boris Tories on 38% ie likely still largest party the answer is obvious, Boris would have to go to the members or the Tories face annihilation.
It was the polling showing Major beating Kinnock Labour that was key to his win, Javid and Hunt are now senior Cabinet ministers and must improve their polling fast
Polling actually showed Kinnok beating Major, because like Javid and Hunt, nobody knew who he was.
And, if we had an election with Tories on 29% with Javid and Labour on 40% with Corbyn, as per the Poll you cite, Labour could potentially still be 1 seat short of a majority (per the electoral calculus website), similar to the Tories being 20 short in 2010 with an 8pt vote lead. Even if Labour won a majority it almost certainly wouldn't be 2005 sized, let alone 1997.
The bad news is that Labour can still get close enough to winning to get comfortably over the finishing line with the help of the SNP, in whose interest it is for the Far Left to do the maximum amount of damage possible to England. So this doesn't really help to protect us.
One of the main arguments in favour of Clean Brexit is that it keeps Ukip buried and therefore makes it substantially harder for Corbyn to get his hands on power.0 -
https://twitter.com/BoardofDeputies/status/1026139009758756864oxfordsimon said:More empty words
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647
He isn't convincing anyone.
Still issuing a non-apology.0 -
The ladies British Open is fantastic golf. If you can watch the last two holes it is about to start live on Sky0
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That would be a deal. Now try to address what no deal means.FF43 said:
The UK will agree effective freedom of movement with the EU so hauliers don't have to rely on a limited number of member.states' transit permits as Turkish and Ukrainian lorry drivers do.Bromptonaut said:
Turkey and Ukraine have deals in place which allow their drivers to drive. We’re discussing what would happen if there is no such deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
I know this is really hard for you - a bit like reflecting on your own mortality - but do try to internalise what the words ‘no deal’ mean.0 -
What qualifies you to contradict the industry expert body?Philip_Thompson said:
Permits that ours could buy is not preventing anyone. I need a permit to do my job, guess what I got the permit. It cost more than £5.50 to get too.williamglenn said:
They need permits.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
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You didn't want Brexit. You seem to have moved on (even if in name only).Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will not be leaving the party nor will the party have Boris. He would be a total disaster
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The fact that you and he are unable to name a single nation the EU borders whose drivers aren't permitted to enter. Industry expert bodies are lobbyists not oracles.Bromptonaut said:
What qualifies you to contradict the industry expert body?Philip_Thompson said:
Permits that ours could buy is not preventing anyone. I need a permit to do my job, guess what I got the permit. It cost more than £5.50 to get too.williamglenn said:
They need permits.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.
https://twitter.com/rhanews/status/1024230718870888448?s=210 -
Life may be made slightly more inconvenient if you don't get the deal you want but that isn't earth shattering news. So claim it will be an absolute disaster if you don't get what you want, then you get headlines.
If you don't get what you want that isn't almost always an actual disaster. People turn their efforts away from trying to prevent the change happening and towards adjusting to living with the new reality. Minimising just how inconvenient the new reality is.0 -
I like many have been conflicted but Boris telling Airbus to FO ( and with it my son in laws job) finished him for me together with his appalling actions on the day he resigned.initforthemoney said:
You didn't want Brexit. You seem to have moved on (even if in name only).Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will not be leaving the party nor will the party have Boris. He would be a total disaster
Time to move on
I hope TM can get a deal but I am 100% opposed to a hard Brexit0 -
Labour Trade Minister Peter Shore at a 1975 Oxford Union debate on the pro EEC campaign in that year's referendum. 'Fear you won't have any food. Fear of unemployment. Fear that we have somehow been so reduced as a country that we cannot cope as an independent nation. And a constant attempt to tell us that what we have is not worth a damn!'
Sound familiar?
https://mobile.twitter.com/IainDale/status/10261181348335247360 -
Is that a cast iron guarantee that in the event of a Boris leadership and/or hard Brexit you won't be falling in line as seamlessly as you did with May (even when she was arguing for a fairly hard Brexit)?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like many have been conflicted but Boris telling Airbus to FO ( and with it my son in laws job) finished him for me together with his appalling actions on the day he resigned.
I hope TM can get a deal but I am 100% opposed to a hard Brexit0 -
You can lay Boris Johnson for next Conservative leader at the same price that you can back him for next Prime Minister. There must be some people expecting him to become a UKIP Prime Minister.0
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Acorns are nearly as nutritious as potatoes.Philip_Thompson said:Life may be made slightly more inconvenient if you don't get the deal you want but that isn't earth shattering news. So claim it will be an absolute disaster if you don't get what you want, then you get headlines.
If you don't get what you want that isn't almost always an actual disaster. People turn their efforts away from trying to prevent the change happening and towards adjusting to living with the new reality. Minimising just how inconvenient the new reality is.0 -
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Off-topic:
Yesterday, the 4th of August, is the fiftieth anniversary of the end of steam on mainline British Railways - the first day all scheduled services were operated by diesel or electric traction.
(There was a special steam service later in the month, but that doesn't really count).
The end of an era.0 -
Because they have deals. Now try to address what no deal means.Philip_Thompson said:
The fact that you and he are unable to name a single nation the EU borders whose drivers aren't permitted to enter. Industry expert bodies are lobbyists not oracles.Bromptonaut said:
What qualifies you to contradict the industry expert body?Philip_Thompson said:
Permits that ours could buy is not preventing anyone. I need a permit to do my job, guess what I got the permit. It cost more than £5.50 to get too.williamglenn said:
They need permits.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's only not bullshit if it happens, which it won't. Please name the EU's neighbours whose hauliers are prevented from entering.FF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
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Still unwilling to adopt the full international definition...says it all.oxfordsimon said:More empty words
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647
He isn't convincing anyone.
Still issuing a non-apology.0 -
And it is still going strong in so many preserved railways and the Flying Scotsman steam hauling an excursion into North Wales on the 22nd SeptemberJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Yesterday, the 4th of August, is the fiftieth anniversary of the end of steam on mainline British Railways - the first day all scheduled services were operated by diesel or electric traction.
(There was a special steam service later in the month, but that doesn't really count).
The end of an era.0 -
Your Arse, England may be Anglican but Scotland is most certainly not.Philip_Thompson said:
Who gets beheaded for not going to Church in Israel?surby said:
Britain is hardly a Christian nation. Do one gets beheaded for not going to Church. 70% of Christians do not practice the religion. This is a sensible, mainly atheist , nationSunil_Prasannan said:
Surby seems weirdly silent about this topicPhilip_Thompson said:
Well yes, good point that the UK is actually not a secular nation. We are officially a Christian nation.ydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
The UK is officially an Anglican nation. The Church of England is our official state religion. Bishops from the Church are given their own seats in Parliament to set laws.
Israel is less extreme in their religion and state mix than we are. Last I checked rabbis aren't given seats in the Knesset.0 -
I see the more ardent Brexiteers are behaving in a very similar manner to the hardcore Corbynites and Trump supporters.
- There is no evidence that will convince them they are wrong.
- There is no evidence that will convince them to rethink.
- All sources of information which are negative to their chosen cause are biased or malevolently controlled.
- Purity is all.
Funny if it wasn't so very damaging for the country and all our futures.0 -
That isn't going to be enough. Given that he is almost certainly in breach of the things he has been trying to exclude.FrancisUrquhart said:
Still unwilling to adopt the full international definition...says it all.oxfordsimon said:More empty words
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647
He isn't convincing anyone.
Still issuing a non-apology.
So he would have to be investigated himself - and that isn't going to happen.
There is no way out for him.0 -
Also Javid is as crap as Hunt , though hard to see any better in the Tories such that Corbyn could not be worse than any of this bunch of losers.HYUFD said:
If Javid was beating Corbyn comfortably in the polls I may well support him but the fact is he is not and as Home Secretary just as with Hunt now Foreign Secretary the name recognition excuse is running short. Major was of course Chancellor when the first polls showed him beating Kinnock. So as long as Boris polls best against Corbyn I will back Boris.stodge said:
There isn't a leadership vote happening NOW so all this polling you repeat ad infinitum and ad nauseam is meaningless.HYUFD said:
Given the last Yougov had a Javid or Hunt led Tories on 29% ie 1997 style Corbyn Labour landslide and Boris Tories on 38% ie likely still largest party the answer is obvious, Boris would have to go to the members or the Tories face annihilation.
It was the polling showing Major beating Kinnock Labour that was key to his win, Javid and Hunt are now senior Cabinet ministers and must improve their polling fast
IF the likes of Javid or Hunt were on the ballot their public profile would rise and IF their performance improved to be comparable to or better than Boris, what then?
Major's public profile soared once Thatcher was gone and he became the challenger to Heseltine. Couldn't the same happen to Javid or Hunt once May was gone?
What would YOU do than - if polls showed Javid performing better than Boris in a match with Labour, would you switch your support to Javid?0 -
Anything will be better than the ToriesPhilip_Thompson said:
The EU haven't agreed to it and it changes nothing. Don't forget that you can arrive as a tourist at any time and job hunt. Then once you have a job offer *bam* job done. Incidentally tourists can he here for 3 months.HYUFD said:
You need a job offer on arrival under the mobility framework rather than after 3 months as nowPhilip_Thompson said:
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://xkcd.com/1897/edmundintokyo said:
A car that drove itself except for occasionally getting confused and stopping and beeping at you to help it out would totally transform a lot of people's commutes.JosiasJessop said:It's no good getting rid of drivers if the vehicle gets confused and stops at a junction
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Whatever happened to Luckyboy1983?Freggles said:
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Georgia Hall - England's newest star winning the Womens British Open0
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Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.malcolmg said:
Your Arse, England may be Anglican but Scotland is most certainly not.Philip_Thompson said:
Who gets beheaded for not going to Church in Israel?surby said:
Britain is hardly a Christian nation. Do one gets beheaded for not going to Church. 70% of Christians do not practice the religion. This is a sensible, mainly atheist , nationSunil_Prasannan said:
Surby seems weirdly silent about this topicPhilip_Thompson said:
Well yes, good point that the UK is actually not a secular nation. We are officially a Christian nation.ydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
The UK is officially an Anglican nation. The Church of England is our official state religion. Bishops from the Church are given their own seats in Parliament to set laws.
Israel is less extreme in their religion and state mix than we are. Last I checked rabbis aren't given seats in the Knesset.0 -
Recalled to Moscow.AlastairMeeks said:
Whatever happened to Luckyboy1983?Freggles said:
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I didn't think he ever left?TheScreamingEagles said:
Recalled to Moscow.AlastairMeeks said:
Whatever happened to Luckyboy1983?Freggles said:
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Farage and Banks certainlyFreggles said:
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ummm: technical point. Isn't that to stop people from crossing from Turkey - as Turks require visas to enter Schengen? Which is rather different from the Irish border, where we have the Common Travel Area.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?0 -
Scotland is 32% Church of Scotland, 16% Catholic, about 5% Episcopal Church, 37% non religious and 1% Muslimmalcolmg said:
Your Arse, England may be Anglican but Scotland is most certainly not.Philip_Thompson said:
Who gets beheaded for not going to Church in Israel?surby said:
Britain is hardly a Christian nation. Do one gets beheaded for not going to Church. 70% of Christians do not practice the religion. This is a sensible, mainly atheist , nationSunil_Prasannan said:
Surby seems weirdly silent about this topicPhilip_Thompson said:
Well yes, good point that the UK is actually not a secular nation. We are officially a Christian nation.ydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
The UK is officially an Anglican nation. The Church of England is our official state religion. Bishops from the Church are given their own seats in Parliament to set laws.
Israel is less extreme in their religion and state mix than we are. Last I checked rabbis aren't given seats in the Knesset.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scotland0 -
'I'd rather be gammon than a Brussels sprout'Freggles said:
Anyone want to admit they'd rather be a Russian than a Remainer?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
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The best thing about Presbyterians is that it is an anagram of 'Britney Spears'0
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Most Scottish domestic law is set by Holyrood not the Anglican ChurchTheuniondivvie said:
Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.malcolmg said:
Your Arse, England may be Anglican but Scotland is most certainly not.Philip_Thompson said:
Who gets beheaded for not going to Church in Israel?surby said:
Britain is hardly a Christian nation. Do one gets beheaded for not going to Church. 70% of Christians do not practice the religion. This is a sensible, mainly atheist , nationSunil_Prasannan said:
Surby seems weirdly silent about this topicPhilip_Thompson said:
Well yes, good point that the UK is actually not a secular nation. We are officially a Christian nation.ydoethur said:
It's not one nation and one religion. He's quite happy to say nasty things about the UK as well. That said so far as I am aware he has never criticised Christianity.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Jezziahs were opposed to all nations linked to a particular religion like Iran then it'd be consistent.surby said:
All nations which are linked to a particular religion is wrong. Saudi Arabia is the biggest offender - our friend ! Officially, Israel was not one until a few weeks back. Now it is also a state where only Jews have the right of self determination.tlg86 said:
This, for me, is an important point. I think a secularist could oppose the linking of a state to a specific religion if they were opposed to it on a point of principle. But I think we all know that Jezza's lot don't have too much of a problem with other religions being linked to a state.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are many "Islamic" nations across the Mid East. By definition non-Muslims would be second class? No?surby said:Druze in Israel say they feel like a minority.
Well, you are now a minority legally - you are a second class citizen, official.
Funnily enough, you do not see too many posts on this topic from our anti-Jezziahs.
However Jezziah is quite happy to support Iran and take paid work on Press TV isn't he? It seems to be only one religion and only one nation that is objected to. There's a word for that.
The UK is officially an Anglican nation. The Church of England is our official state religion. Bishops from the Church are given their own seats in Parliament to set laws.
Israel is less extreme in their religion and state mix than we are. Last I checked rabbis aren't given seats in the Knesset.0 -
A hypothesis that may well be tested to its limits, but we shall seemalcolmg said:
Anything will be better than the ToriesPhilip_Thompson said:
The EU haven't agreed to it and it changes nothing. Don't forget that you can arrive as a tourist at any time and job hunt. Then once you have a job offer *bam* job done. Incidentally tourists can he here for 3 months.HYUFD said:
You need a job offer on arrival under the mobility framework rather than after 3 months as nowPhilip_Thompson said:
The mobility framework is meaningless fluff. What did Shakespeare mean with "a rose by any other name" in your eyes?HYUFD said:
Are Switzerland and Norway vassal states? Even in the single market or tied to it in Switzerland's case, they do not follow 25% of EU law and even the Chequers Deal technically replaces free movement with a mobility frameworkFF43 said:
It's only not bullshit if there's a deal. Which there will be. On the EU's terms. Vassal State, here we come.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is bullshit. They will not be stopped any more than Turkish, Ukrainian or any other nations drivers are. They may be slowed but slow isn't stop.FF43 said:
Full membership of the EU is the sensible option, since you ask. But that wasn't what we are discussing. The question is is whether it's baloney and bullshit, fear-mongering, and against all logic and reason to say British lorry drivers would prevented from entering the EU in a No Deal Brexit. The answer is no. British lorry drivers would be stopped.Philip_Thompson said:
I take it you've forgotten that Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU? If that is what a Customs Union looks like then frankly it is no solution and no advantage.FF43 said:This is a good backgrounder on transit permits should you wish to inform yourself on the topic
https://twitter.com/hmalikh/status/832262162802470914
Then again this is what the Customs Union border between the EU and Turkey looks like, is this your vision for the UK?
Full membership of the EU may have been sensible but then we had a vote and made our choice. These insane halfway house "solutions" lack the advantages of both membership and leaving. One or the other we need to do and we made our choice.0 -
I wonder if they're as good as her at semiconductor physics?TheScreamingEagles said:The best thing about Presbyterians is that it is an anagram of 'Britney Spears'
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I used to love watching Peter Shore use his glasses as a prop while he spoke. Now that party conferences are mere rallies, it is hard to find a frontbencher who can make a decent speech: they don't get the practice. It was common political tradecraft back in the 70s and doubtless for centuries before that. The contrast between Theresa May and 70s throwback Jeremy Corbyn was clear and crucial in the election.HYUFD said:Labour Trade Minister Peter Shore at a 1975 Oxford Union debate on the pro EEC campaign in that year's referendum. 'Fear you won't have any food. Fear of unemployment. Fear that we have somehow been so reduced as a country that we cannot cope as an independent nation. And a constant attempt to tell us that what we have is not worth a damn!'
Sound familiar?
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Well they're on the same side as the Russians, so I suppose it follows.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
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Driverless cars won't be real until a non-driving passenger can use them.rcs1000 said:
https://xkcd.com/1897/edmundintokyo said:
A car that drove itself except for occasionally getting confused and stopping and beeping at you to help it out would totally transform a lot of people's commutes.JosiasJessop said:It's no good getting rid of drivers if the vehicle gets confused and stops at a junction
Good evening, everyone.0 -
Are you saying Scots are too wee, too stupid to understand what they were voting for in 2014?Theuniondivvie said:
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
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Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
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Brexit might be worth considering in theory, but the advocates seem to be utter liars.matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
Going through my own stages of grief, I’m simply on the stage where I realise that 99% of Brexiters are mendacious shits and not worth the emotional energy.0 -
Poor you.Gardenwalker said:
Brexit might be worth considering in theory, but the advocates seem to be utter liars.matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
Going through my own stages of grief, I’m simply on the stage where I realise that 99% of Brexiters are mendacious shits and not worth the emotional energy.
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‘ResignWatson’ is the number one twitter trend right now....0
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What's astonishing is how much people believe in a "label", above all substance. Economically, Donald Trump is the most left wing US President since Jimmy Carter - overseeing the biggest increases in public spending, protecting domestic industries via tariffs, and attempting to use executive fiat to protect the coal industry.logical_song said:
Well they're on the same side as the Russians, so I suppose it follows.TheScreamingEagles said:
But he's a Republican. So these things are OK.
(For the record, Democrats are - I suspect - just as bad.)0 -
My view is to give the Leavers enough rope.matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
If Brexit is a disaster just imagine the look on their faces when the voters decide to rejoin the EU, replete with membership of the Euro and Schengen.
I'm writing a thread, that'll I'll publish sometime this month, with enough quotes from prominent Leavers decrying Project Fear/saying No Deal would be awesome.
You thought Gordon Brown was hubristic when he said he had abolished boom and bust then you ain't seen nothing yet.0 -
If not sure that left wing and autarkical are synonyms. His behaviours are remarkably consistent with the pre-1939 Germany as described by Tooze in The Wages of Destruction.rcs1000 said:
What's astonishing is how much people believe in a "label", above all substance. Economically, Donald Trump is the most left wing US President since Jimmy Carter - overseeing the biggest increases in public spending, protecting domestic industries via tariffs, and attempting to use executive fiat to protect the coal industry.logical_song said:
Well they're on the same side as the Russians, so I suppose it follows.TheScreamingEagles said:
But he's a Republican. So these things are OK.
(For the record, Democrats are - I suspect - just as bad.)
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We are increasingly in culture wars of nationalists and protectionists v free trading liberals in most of the West, many Trump and Sanders voters are closer together than Hillary and Libertarian Party voters in the USrcs1000 said:
What's astonishing is how much people believe in a "label", above all substance. Economically, Donald Trump is the most left wing US President since Jimmy Carter - overseeing the biggest increases in public spending, protecting domestic industries via tariffs, and attempting to use executive fiat to protect the coal industry.logical_song said:
Well they're on the same side as the Russians, so I suppose it follows.TheScreamingEagles said:
But he's a Republican. So these things are OK.
(For the record, Democrats are - I suspect - just as bad.)0 -
Indeed Shore, Powell, Benn, Foot all great orators of the 1970sDecrepitJohnL said:
I used to love watching Peter Shore use his glasses as a prop while he spoke. Now that party conferences are mere rallies, it is hard to find a frontbencher who can make a decent speech: they don't get the practice. It was common political tradecraft back in the 70s and doubtless for centuries before that. The contrast between Theresa May and 70s throwback Jeremy Corbyn was clear and crucial in the election.HYUFD said:Labour Trade Minister Peter Shore at a 1975 Oxford Union debate on the pro EEC campaign in that year's referendum. 'Fear you won't have any food. Fear of unemployment. Fear that we have somehow been so reduced as a country that we cannot cope as an independent nation. And a constant attempt to tell us that what we have is not worth a damn!'
Sound familiar?
mobile.twitter.com/IainDale/status/10261181348335247360 -
Many thought they were voting to guarantee membership of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you saying Scots are too wee, too stupid to understand what they were voting for in 2014?Theuniondivvie said:
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
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70% oppose the Euro in polling, 18% more than voted Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view is to give the Leavers enough rope.matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
If Brexit is a disaster just imagine the look on their faces when the voters decide to rejoin the EU, replete with membership of the Euro and Schengen.
I'm writing a thread, that'll I'll publish sometime this month, with enough quotes from prominent Leavers decrying Project Fear/saying No Deal would be awesome.
You thought Gordon Brown was hubristic when he said he had abolished boom and bust then you ain't seen nothing yet.
We will never join the Euro and probably nor will we ever rejoin the EU, at most we will rejoin EFTA and the EEA once immigration has been brought under control.
Plus if you think No Deal 9% unemployment would be bad see 10% Italian unemployment, 16% Spanish unemployment and 20% Greek unemployment in the Eurozone0 -
A point of pedantry, that looks like a rampant rabbit, not a dildo.
https://twitter.com/ZoeParamour/status/10260947747329433600 -
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Showing their true colours - again.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.0 -
The world must be a very easy place to live in when there are no shades of grey.HYUFD said:
70% oppose the Euro in polling, 18% more than voted Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view is to give the Leavers enough rope.matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
If Brexit is a disaster just imagine the look on their faces when the voters decide to rejoin the EU, replete with membership of the Euro and Schengen.
I'm writing a thread, that'll I'll publish sometime this month, with enough quotes from prominent Leavers decrying Project Fear/saying No Deal would be awesome.
You thought Gordon Brown was hubristic when he said he had abolished boom and bust then you ain't seen nothing yet.
We will never join the Euro and probably not will we ever rejoin the EU, at most we will rejoin EFTA and the EEA once immigration has been brought under control0 -
The 2017 result makes little sense then, unless even if that is what they thought, people reassess priorities in the light of new events.Alistair said:
Many thought they were voting to guarantee membership of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you saying Scots are too wee, too stupid to understand what they were voting for in 2014?Theuniondivvie said:
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
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