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You completely flipped your lid about claiming Churchill as a Europhile and refused to acknowledge the slightest nuance about what his position in the present day would have been. I don't think you're in any position to give lectures on this point.ydoethur said:
Of course it is, William.williamglenn said:
I don't get it? It's my sarcasm that you consistently fail to interpret.ydoethur said:
It's more I think that he doesn't get sarcasm or irony.Mortimer said:
William, have you ever been a member of the Tory party?williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
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Interesting piece here on how BoJo has saved the EU:Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
https://on.ft.com/2LtNnxX0 -
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind it after the referendum. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.0 -
Did you expect Remain to win? As if you did it hasn't dented your confidence that in a second referendum it would win again. You described that outcome as highly likely.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind Brexit. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
None of us allow being wrong before to compromise our ability to confidently predict future events. It's why we'd make good pundits.0 -
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At the moment I'm reclining on the settee. Is this a good position to give a lecture? I gave most of mine standing up as I recall.williamglenn said:
You completely flipped your lid about claiming Churchill as a Europhile and refused to acknowledge the slightest nuance about what his position in the present day would have been. I don't think you're in any position to give lectures on this point.ydoethur said:
Of course it is, William.williamglenn said:
I don't get it? It's my sarcasm that you consistently fail to interpret.ydoethur said:
It's more I think that he doesn't get sarcasm or irony.Mortimer said:
William, have you ever been a member of the Tory party?williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
(And what I actually did, flippancy aside, was point out that you were misquoting him and point you to what he had actually said. That's hardly 'flipping my lid.' If you want to see me getting really angry, you should see me duffing up Holocaust deniers. I know you took being corrected badly but it was over a year ago. Might it not be time for you to move on?)0 -
I don't think I made a prediction on the 2016 referendum, but it was obvious that Cameron's strategy had failed from the moment he let expectations for his renegotiation get out of control. By the end of the campaign I thought Remain would probably lose. I was hoping for a narrow win but thought it wouldn't settle the matter - only a big win for Remain would have done so. This time I genuinely think that big win for Remain is on the cards if we get a second referendum, in a way that it never was in 2016.kle4 said:
Did you expect Remain to win? As if you did it hasn't dented your confidence that in a second referendum it would win again. You described that outcome as highly likely.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind Brexit. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
None of us allow being wrong before to compromise our ability to confidently predict future events. It's why we'd make good pundits.0 -
I think she is one of them with potential. I've seen her be quite offputting, but also at other times authoritative and convincing. She also doesn't seem to be stupid.Casino_Royale said:
Thornberry is someone who'd be a real turn off to non-metropolitan English marginals.IanB2 said:I assume that suggesting Rebecca L-B as a credible successor was added through humorous intent.
Thornberry is a possibility, although I would think she would struggle in an election.
If he is replaced in office, credibly it can only be from someone already in the top team. Therefore it depends on who his key appointments are likely to be.
A scenario not examined in the lead is if Labour finds itself only able to form a government by dealing with the SNP and/or the LibDems.
Everything about her screams London urban left-wing snob.0 -
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
Why is it that every time you think things can't get worse...?
This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I said yesterday that this whole topic was a gift for the Press in the silly season.0 -
Misquoting him? I think you'll find that, to use your favourite accusation, that is a lie.ydoethur said:
At the moment I'm reclining on the settee. Is this a good position to give a lecture? I gave most of mine standing up as I recall.williamglenn said:
You completely flipped your lid about claiming Churchill as a Europhile and refused to acknowledge the slightest nuance about what his position in the present day would have been. I don't think you're in any position to give lectures on this point.ydoethur said:
Of course it is, William.williamglenn said:
I don't get it? It's my sarcasm that you consistently fail to interpret.ydoethur said:
It's more I think that he doesn't get sarcasm or irony.Mortimer said:
William, have you ever been a member of the Tory party?williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
(And what I actually did, flippancy aside, was point out that you were misquoting him and point you to what he had actually said. That's hardly 'flipping my lid.' If you want to see me getting really angry, you should see me duffing up Holocaust deniers. I know you took being corrected badly but it was over a year ago. Might it not be time for you to move on?)0 -
No, it's fine, she said IF it was a mossad assisted campaign. Merely a hypothetical...dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
She does seem another Corbynite who disagrees with Corbyn that the party has had a problem on this issue.0 -
Really sir, you are guilty of a terminological inexactitude.williamglenn said:
Misquoting him? I think you'll find that, to use your favourite accusation, that is a lie.ydoethur said:
At the moment I'm reclining on the settee. Is this a good position to give a lecture? I gave most of mine standing up as I recall.williamglenn said:
You completely flipped your lid about claiming Churchill as a Europhile and refused to acknowledge the slightest nuance about what his position in the present day would have been. I don't think you're in any position to give lectures on this point.ydoethur said:
Of course it is, William.williamglenn said:
I don't get it? It's my sarcasm that you consistently fail to interpret.ydoethur said:
It's more I think that he doesn't get sarcasm or irony.Mortimer said:
William, have you ever been a member of the Tory party?williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
(And what I actually did, flippancy aside, was point out that you were misquoting him and point you to what he had actually said. That's hardly 'flipping my lid.' If you want to see me getting really angry, you should see me duffing up Holocaust deniers. I know you took being corrected badly but it was over a year ago. Might it not be time for you to move on?)
My favourite accusation is to say somebody's post is as bad as The Last Jedi.
The annoying thing is some people take that as a compliment.0 -
The silly season is being assisted by Labour having lots of silly people.ydoethur said:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
Why is it that every time you think things can't get worse...?
This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I said yesterday that this whole topic was a gift for the Press in the silly season.
Although, thick as pig-shit might be nearer the mark.0 -
I wish I shared your confidence William. The polls haven't really moved much, not the they were very accurate last time. I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the Brexit press to invoke the Blitz spirit to rally support for Leave2.williamglenn said:
I don't think I made a prediction on the 2016 referendum, but it was obvious that Cameron's strategy had failed from the moment he let expectations for his renegotiation get out of control. By the end of the campaign I thought Remain would probably lose. I was hoping for a narrow win but thought it wouldn't settle the matter - only a big win for Remain would have done so. This time I genuinely think that big win for Remain is on the cards if we get a second referendum, in a way that it never was in 2016.kle4 said:
Did you expect Remain to win? As if you did it hasn't dented your confidence that in a second referendum it would win again. You described that outcome as highly likely.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind Brexit. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
None of us allow being wrong before to compromise our ability to confidently predict future events. It's why we'd make good pundits.
I hope I am wrong if we do have a 2nd ref.0 -
Pah!dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
Howabout this for full fat anti-semitism, from a Republican Congressional candidate:
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Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
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And like the rest of silly season, won't matter. His core doesn't care. Those outside say they care, and will make noise about it as they won't on other issues. Maybe it will even provoke some further action on Corbyn's part. Then things will quiet for a bit, then a story just like it will break again.ydoethur said:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
Why is it that every time you think things can't get worse...?
This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I said yesterday that this whole topic was a gift for the Press in the silly season.0 -
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
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All the confidence has been sucked out of the Brexit elite. The 2016 campaign was driven by a sense of optimism about smashing the system and creating a new settlement on our terms. All that has gone, so what would be the purpose of invoking a Blitz spirit? There's nothing in it politically for those who would need to drive such a campaign.Benpointer said:
I wish I shared your confidence William. The polls haven't really moved much, not the they were very accurate last time. I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the Brexit press to invoke the Blitz spirit to rally support for Leave2.williamglenn said:
I don't think I made a prediction on the 2016 referendum, but it was obvious that Cameron's strategy had failed from the moment he let expectations for his renegotiation get out of control. By the end of the campaign I thought Remain would probably lose. I was hoping for a narrow win but thought it wouldn't settle the matter - only a big win for Remain would have done so. This time I genuinely think that big win for Remain is on the cards if we get a second referendum, in a way that it never was in 2016.kle4 said:
Did you expect Remain to win? As if you did it hasn't dented your confidence that in a second referendum it would win again. You described that outcome as highly likely.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind Brexit. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
None of us allow being wrong before to compromise our ability to confidently predict future events. It's why we'd make good pundits.
I hope I am wrong if we do have a 2nd ref.0 -
Thanks Mr Meeks. Getting on Short Trousers at 350 sounds like an excellent piece of betting.0
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I think to be quite blunt that the key difficulties are (1) timing - we're out of time given how long everything takes (2) what question to put on (Leave/Deal/EEA/petition to Remain) (3) how to hold one at all without gifting Leave the line, 'Brussels once again makes us vote again in defiance of democracy.' Those are to my mind more pertinent issues than the fact there's very little sign of a change in public opinion and no reason to assume abstaining voters last time would vote Remain this time.Benpointer said:I wish I shared your confidence William. The polls haven't really moved much, not the they were very accurate last time. I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the Brexit press to invoke the Blitz spirit to rally support for Leave2.
I hope I am wrong if we do have a 2nd ref.
Which is why it ultimately isn't going to happen. If I had the least idea what's going to happen instead I'd share, but I don't. As my grandmother's people would say, we are living in interesting times.
Anyway, I have a lot of driving to do tomorrow so I'm off for an early night. Have a good evening.0 -
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.0 -
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.0 -
If we do end up facing No Deal we should definitely have a ref2, even though I fear the outcome might still be Leave. At least we'd know that was what the country voted for... if we go into No Deal without another vote plenty of Leavers will (rightly) say 'that's not what I voted for'.SeanT said:
i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0Benpointer said:
I wish I shared your confidence William. The polls haven't really moved much, not the they were very accurate last time. I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the Brexit press to invoke the Blitz spirit to rally support for Leave2.williamglenn said:
I don't think I made a prediction on the 2016 referendum, but it was obvious that Cameron's strategy had failed from the moment he let expectations for his renegotiation get out of control. By the end of the campaign I thought Remain would probably lose. I was hoping for a narrow win but thought it wouldn't settle the matter - only a big win for Remain would have done so. This time I genuinely think that big win for Remain is on the cards if we get a second referendum, in a way that it never was in 2016.kle4 said:
Did you expect Remain to win? As if you did it hasn't dented your confidence that in a second referendum it would win again. You described that outcome as highly likely.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind Brexit. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
None of us allow being wrong before to compromise our ability to confidently predict future events. It's why we'd make good pundits.
I hope I am wrong if we do have a 2nd ref.
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.0 -
Well, lets have a #peoplesvote and see
I reckon 55/45 for Remain, mostly by better turnout from the young, and worse turnout by bored CDEs.0 -
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1022925842299736069ydoethur said:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.dr_spyn said:Swamp the drains.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1022921408937172994
Why is it that every time you think things can't get worse...?
This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I said yesterday that this whole topic was a gift for the Press in the silly season.0 -
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....0 -
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
Lol, so in a "people vs the elites" election the elites win? Bring. It. On.Foxy said:
Well, lets have a #peoplesvote and see
I reckon 55/45 for Remain, mostly by better turnout from the young, and worse turnout by bored CDEs.
I look forwards to bitter remainers crying into their prosecco after the results.0 -
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
Yes, the one on the left is.MaxPB said:
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
Chukka is popular because of his campaigning against Brexit. That goes down well with Labour Party members.TheJezziah said:
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....
Parties not only can replace leaders with their polar opposites, but very often do so.
Few Leaders get to annoint their successors, usually the selectorate tries to address the failings of the outgoing leader. This applies to all parties. The Tories replaced the urbane and charming, but slack Dave with an uptight control freak, for a recent example.0 -
Ah apols! I misread 'PM' as 'MP', as you probably guessed.MaxPB said:
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1022727296439017472
(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
Edit: Just had to laugh at your question "Are either of them the Prime Minister?" following the picture in Soubry's tweet. Answer: "Yes, but would we be bettor off wit the other one?"
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
You make a good point, I guess I'm thinking about the early maneuvering rather than a final vote. I don't think Umunna will run anyway.TheJezziah said:
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....0 -
If May calls a second referendum I don't think it will be a spur of the moment thing, but the culmination of a strategy that began before she invoked Article 50.Benpointer said:(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
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That's the problem with your theories - there is a mountain of evidence that the government has been lurching from crisis to crisis, barely able to keep its squabbling factions together, and surviving from hour to hour. There is no compelling counter evidence that May has the means, let alone the ability, to execute so well such a Machiavellian ploy.williamglenn said:
If May calls a second referendum I don't think it will be a spur of the moment thing, but the culmination of a strategy that began before she invoked Article 50.Benpointer said:(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
Think about it - from before she even invoked article 50 she was instigating a plan which would end with a referendum and reversal of Brexit? No doubt stated intention to invoke article 50 without parliament was a ploy to ensure a court case which they were certain (despite some justices taking the alternate view) would result in parliament having to do so, thereby ensuring no future pm could invoke, and thereby giving theoretical disinvoking powers to parliament as well?0 -
One of them is blinkered and ploughs a lonely furrow. The other one is a Shire Horse.Benpointer said:
Ah apols! I misread 'PM' as 'MP', as you probably guessed.MaxPB said:
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1022727296439017472
(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
Edit: Just had to laugh at your question "Are either of them the Prime Minister?" following the picture in Soubry's tweet. Answer: "Yes, but would we be bettor off wit the other one?"
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
On that basis, far from being the poor sop who chanced to become the PM at a difficult time and has since been buffeted left and right by events and self-inflicted mishaps, Theresa May is in fact one of the greatest political schemers in history!williamglenn said:
If May calls a second referendum I don't think it will be a spur of the moment thing, but the culmination of a strategy that began before she invoked Article 50.Benpointer said:(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
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If campaigning against Brexit is enough to make you popular amongst Labour members you have to wonder why Owen Smith did so poorly versus Corbyn.Foxy said:
Chukka is popular because of his campaigning against Brexit. That goes down well with Labour Party members.TheJezziah said:
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....
Parties not only can replace leaders with their polar opposites, but very often do so.
Few Leaders get to annoint their successors, usually the selectorate tries to address the failings of the outgoing leader. This applies to all parties. The Tories replaced the urbane and charming, but slack Dave with an uptight control freak, for a recent example.0 -
Nice one!SandyRentool said:
One of them is blinkered and ploughs a lonely furrow. The other one is a Shire Horse.Benpointer said:
Ah apols! I misread 'PM' as 'MP', as you probably guessed.MaxPB said:
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1022727296439017472
(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
Edit: Just had to laugh at your question "Are either of them the Prime Minister?" following the picture in Soubry's tweet. Answer: "Yes, but would we be bettor off wit the other one?"
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1022727296439017472
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I've seen you advance the argument a couple of times and I am a little sceptical. The circumstances that Dave and May were chosen were pretty different, also the members didn't actually get to choose May, the choice was made for them and the only other option given was Leadsom. That aside in May I imagine the party got someone closer to their views than Dave.Foxy said:
Chukka is popular because of his campaigning against Brexit. That goes down well with Labour Party members.TheJezziah said:Omnium said:The_Apocalypse said:Omnium said:
Parties not only can replace leaders with their polar opposites, but very often do so.
Few Leaders get to annoint their successors, usually the selectorate tries to address the failings of the outgoing leader. This applies to all parties. The Tories replaced the urbane and charming, but slack Dave with an uptight control freak, for a recent example.
If there was an argument made and believed that Chuka will win the next election and his rival candidate won't then policy can be put aside to a certain extent, I don't see that argument being seen as true by enough members to make the difference.
People can vote on all kinds of things but presumably policy (or at least where the candidate is perceived to be politically) will be the most important, on that basis others would be favoured over him. If members were voting for someone closer to them politically then other candidates would probably get picked above him. I don't see Corbyn necessarily being able to pick his successor (though I wouldn't rule it out completely) but I do think it is more likely to be someone from the left of the party, or at least someone a bit politically closer to Corbyn than Chuka.
To clarify again I wouldn't rule him out although calling him a clear favourite is wrong IMO, also all the other points aside I do think the next leader is likely to be a woman as well which is also a mark against Chuka.0 -
It definitely won't be Kate Osamor. Save your money!Acorn_Antiques said:
How about someone like Kate Osamor? Female, black, North London seat, a Corbyn loyalist, and not (insofar as I'm aware) mixed up with some of the more contentious foreign policy baggage.HenryGManson said:I think the next Labour leadership contest will be an all women affair and I can imagine there would be a bit of gentle pressure applied to male MPs considering throwing in their hat. I can see Emily Thornberry (5/1), Angela Rayner (10/1) and Lisa Nandy (25/1) standing. I think Rayner is the value choice and most likely to be supported by trade unions, but you could do worse than back all three.
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Have you read Shipman's 'Fallout'? If not, prepare to be incredibly disappointed.Benpointer said:
On that basis, far from being the poor sop who chanced to become the PM at a difficult time and has since been buffeted left and right by events and self-inflicted mishaps, Theresa May is in fact one of the greatest political schemers in history!williamglenn said:
If May calls a second referendum I don't think it will be a spur of the moment thing, but the culmination of a strategy that began before she invoked Article 50.Benpointer said:(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
I'll be full of admiration for her if it turns out to be the latter.0 -
Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
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My neighbour is Head of Psychiatry for the local NHS if you would like I can ask him if he would help you with your questions. A credit if deserved plus a bestseller (maybe egging things on there) raising issues he cares about may well swing it.SeanT said:APOLOGIES.
NOVELIST'S REQUEST INCOMING
Can I ask the PB Brains Trust if anyone has any knowledge of Mental Health in action in the NHS: specifically, what the process would be if someone tried to section themselves?
I have a heroine in a thriller who is about to do that: i.e. she is dubious of her own sanity, and stability, and to save her family and friends she presents herself at a Mental Health Unit, saying "please section me and take me in, I think I am mad".
How would that work in Britain?
I say "Britain" because I have a good friend who - years ago - tried to do precisely this, but in Ireland. He went into a hospital, with a mental health ward, tried to get himself certified as insane (he WAS having lot of issues) but a doctor listened to him, and talked him down and said "look, I could sign this paper and send you through those security doors, but it might be a long time before you come out" and my mate saw the sense in this, and went home, and calmed down.
And now, amazingly, and wonderfully, he's a successful man: owns a home, has a good business, has girlfriends, is well liked by many. And he thanks that doctor every day.
But is it, and would it, be the same in the UK, if you tried to dump yourself in the loony bin?
All advice welcome. Thankyou.
He is a bit controversial, court cases and the such but knows his beans.
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Chuka is not popular with members or MPs, despite all his campaigning on a popular issue. I don't want to denigrate the bloke, but he can be scrubbed out for the next contest. Who knows in the future he may get another shot.Foxy said:
Chukka is popular because of his campaigning against Brexit. That goes down well with Labour Party members.TheJezziah said:
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....
Parties not only can replace leaders with their polar opposites, but very often do so.
Few Leaders get to annoint their successors, usually the selectorate tries to address the failings of the outgoing leader. This applies to all parties. The Tories replaced the urbane and charming, but slack Dave with an uptight control freak, for a recent example.0 -
My experience is with the 1983 Mental Health Act, since superseded by the 2007 one, but the principle largely unchanged.SeanT said:APOLOGIES.
NOVELIST'S REQUEST INCOMING
Can I ask the PB Brains Trust if anyone has any knowledge of Mental Health in action in the NHS: specifically, what the process would be if someone tried to section themselves?
I have a heroine in a thriller who is about to do that: i.e. she is dubious of her own sanity, and stability, and to save her family and friends she presents herself at a Mental Health Unit, saying "please section me and take me in, I think I am mad".
How would that work in Britain?
I say "Britain" because I have a good friend who - years ago - tried to do precisely this, but in Ireland. He went into a hospital, with a mental health ward, tried to get himself certified as insane (he WAS having lot of issues) but a doctor listened to him, and talked him down and said "look, I could sign this paper and send you through those security doors, but it might be a long time before you come out" and my mate saw the sense in this, and went home, and calmed down.
And now, amazingly, and wonderfully, he's a successful man: owns a home, has a good business, has girlfriends, is well liked by many. And he thanks that doctor every day.
But is it, and would it, be the same in the UK, if you tried to dump yourself in the loony bin?
All advice welcome. Thankyou.
Such a patient would be a voluntary patient*, so not sectioned at all.
If however they were admitted, and were perceived by the Mental Health Team, considered to be a danger to themselves or others, they could be Sectioned if they tried to leave the unit, or refused to comply with treatment. There is then a legal process, and different sections of the act apply depending on which personnel are involved and what treatment is required.
Sections only apply if either dangerous or in danger, but merely being floridly insane is not sectionable in itself.
*in reality, owing to bed shortages, very likely to be treated as an outpatient.0 -
From the Missus, a mental health profesional.SeanT said:APOLOGIES.
NOVELIST'S REQUEST INCOMING
Can I ask the PB Brains Trust if anyone has any knowledge of Mental Health in action in the NHS: specifically, what the process would be if someone tried to section themselves?
I have a heroine in a thriller who is about to do that: i.e. she is dubious of her own sanity, and stability, and to save her family and friends she presents herself at a Mental Health Unit, saying "please section me and take me in, I think I am mad".
How would that work in Britain?
I say "Britain" because I have a good friend who - years ago - tried to do precisely this, but in Ireland. He went into a hospital, with a mental health ward, tried to get himself certified as insane (he WAS having lot of issues) but a doctor listened to him, and talked him down and said "look, I could sign this paper and send you through those security doors, but it might be a long time before you come out" and my mate saw the sense in this, and went home, and calmed down.
And now, amazingly, and wonderfully, he's a successful man: owns a home, has a good business, has girlfriends, is well liked by many. And he thanks that doctor every day.
But is it, and would it, be the same in the UK, if you tried to dump yourself in the loony bin?
All advice welcome. Thankyou.
You can't just ask to be sectioned. Thinking you are mad, or being suicidal is not enough. You need to walk the fine line between being a danger to others, but not enough to be arrested for the same.
In reality, you would go through the crisis team, who would then refer you to the oncall doctor at a Police Station. Only they, or a psychiatrist, can recommend sectioning you. Of course, once sectioned, it is difficult to get out. Homeless people try it all the time, and there are limited places.
It is a legal deprivation of liberty and not to be entered into lightly.
Follow @mentalhealthcop on Twitter (ex-nightjack) if you want to know more is her advice, as she does not deal with the legalities.
She would only refer to Crisis Team, or, A+E.
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Surely if the Jezziah is deposed from this rightful place as head of Labour, he'll go to a dark place for a think, and after three days he'll rise and rule the hearts of all men.
Except Israelis, of course. Or Tories.
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'Prince Charles apologises for not bashing the Bishop'TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/10229350901192744980 -
Louise Haigh is a very good prospect for the future. If you think Corbyn is here for a good while longer then the 100/1 is well worth it for a contest in 2022 or beyond. She is one of the most talented of the 2015 intake and is just going to get better and better.Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.0 -
Surely that should be "Christians drink blood and eat bodies" (after the priest does the transubstantiation business with the bread and wine on Sundays?)Acorn_Antiques said:0 -
Memo to Charles: If it walks, talks and squawks like a kiddie fiddler, everyone says it's a kiddie fiddler, it's received a caution for kiddie fiddling AND it's an Anglican fecking bishop, have a good long think about what it might actually be before writing one of those sodding letters to it, OK?TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
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Catholics. Not all Christians believe in Transubstantiation.Beverley_C said:
Surely that should be "Christians drink blood and eat bodies" (after the priest does the transubstantiation business with the bread and wine on Sundays?)Acorn_Antiques said:0 -
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Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have [a]delivered your soul.JosiasJessop said:Surely if the Jezziah is deposed from this rightful place as head of Labour, he'll go to a dark place for a think, and after three days he'll rise and rule the hearts of all men.
Except Israelis, of course. Or Tories.
Those who repent of course will be welcome in the glorious kingdom of our lord....
I don't like to clarify on jokes but they don't seem to go down well on PB (or are completely misread) so to clarify I don't think all Tories or Israelis are sinners or wicked (although to be honest I generally use wicked as a compliment or a good thing anyway)0 -
Does it count if one believes in consubstantiation?Beverley_C said:
Surely that should be "Christians drink blood and eat bodies" (after the priest does the transubstantiation business with the bread and wine on Sundays?)Acorn_Antiques said:0 -
Yes, I do not think he is anything other than an outside bet for that reason. A lot depennds how the cards of Brexit fall. Even so, I think he comes over as too slick and arrogant.HenryGManson said:
Chuka is not popular with members or MPs, despite all his campaigning on a popular issue. I don't want to denigrate the bloke, but he can be scrubbed out for the next contest. Who knows in the future he may get another shot.Foxy said:
Chukka is popular because of his campaigning against Brexit. That goes down well with Labour Party members.TheJezziah said:
So the membership (who decide the leader) will dislike Thornberry for serving under the leader they overwhelmingly voted for twice and flock to Umunna who has sat back and criticised the popular leader?Omnium said:
In my view he's only 29/32 on BF because he pulled out last time. I'd have him about 6ish if he was certain to run, probably shorter.The_Apocalypse said:
Umunna is the clear favourite? Seriously?Omnium said:Umunna is the clear favourite if he runs.
Thornberry has probably accumulated too much bad blood given her career-climbing under Corbyn. Far too self-important.
Nandy is well positioned, but a little too quiet.
Beyond that there's the clear force that is Lammy, or the white knight D Milliband marching in from the west (joking in both cases)
Long-Bailey seems a bit (to say the least) thick, but she is improving dramatically.
Benn, Cooper, Khan, Burnham somehow I can't see.
I suspect that there's a real chance for an inexperienced candidate to do well. I don't know much about these people, but the likes of Haigh, Pennycook, Ali.
For some reason at some point I seem to have backed Luciana Berger too.
I'm not saying it can't happen I just don't follow the logic of the current membership not liking what it voted for....
Parties not only can replace leaders with their polar opposites, but very often do so.
Few Leaders get to annoint their successors, usually the selectorate tries to address the failings of the outgoing leader. This applies to all parties. The Tories replaced the urbane and charming, but slack Dave with an uptight control freak, for a recent example.0 -
Indeed - thank goodness they included a picture, otherwise it could have been plenty of future kings!RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.
Presumably it's a psychological thing to really make people focus on the fact that he will take over from the Queen some day. We all know it, but might react less if we just go 'Oh, another Prince Charles is a wally' story.0 -
Winding up petition from their own driver, well a company Sergio Perez controls.eek said:0 -
Make things up and pray it's plausible enough for the purpose?SeanT said:Yay. Fab. I love PB. Think that pretty much sorts it: in terms of self sectioning. I have enough detail to furnish my chapter 28.
Thankyou to everyone who offered advice, dixie, Foxy, ralph, et al, brilliant.
What did we all do, before the internet?!
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Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.
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I have come up with a simultaneous equation.
Hard Brexit = sh*t
Soft Brexit = bullsh*t
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Makes it sound like a report of a slighltly whacky chess match.RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
So many people have said it was against the national interest to proceed from the start, that doesn't make a referendum with a remain option inevitable.williamglenn said:
I happen to think the chances are relatively high, if not anywhere near as good as no deal, but that statement is just plain stupid.0 -
If only there had been some allegations relating to pawn....Ishmael_Z said:
Makes it sound like a report of a slighltly whacky chess match.RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.
Ah, my coat.0 -
No, Jeremy just SAID he would be by now....williamglenn said:
Yes, the one on the left is.MaxPB said:
Are either of them the Prime Minister?!Benpointer said:
Er...MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/back-second-brexit-vote-says-conservative-mp-justine-greening
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-minister-phillip-lee-12687126
https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/10227272964390174720 -
Hard Brexit = Soft Brexit * bull.FrankBooth said:I have come up with a simultaneous equation.
Hard Brexit = sh*t
Soft Brexit = bullsh*t
If anyone has an answer let me know
What do I win?0 -
I can see it's going to be a long Knight.....RobD said:
If only there had been some allegations relating to pawn....Ishmael_Z said:
Makes it sound like a report of a slighltly whacky chess match.RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.
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No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
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No, he isn't and that's a rather pathetic attempt to use my own words against me, as well as slightly creepy. The fact that the country may be divided on the subject of Brexit does not reflect any love for the EU, but a sullen better-the-devil you-know response to miscalculations by both sides turning a challenging situation into an extremely difficult situation. It has no bearing on how the UK's satisfaction with the EU or its long-term relationship may evolve, as much as it must pain you. No-one likes being bullied or coerced.williamglenn said:
You admitted yourself that you didn't expect Brexit to be so divisive and you naively expected the country to swing behind it after the referendum. So far Selmayr is winning, much as it must pain you.Casino_Royale said:
It's one heck of a gamble, and I think risks making no deal more likely than not.williamglenn said:
I love the way people interpret such comments as being supportive of the British position. The Commission has already "found a way" to keep the UK relationship close - it consists of humiliating the Brexiteers.John_M said:
Helpful. We all know how much the Commission loves Austria, perhaps May will get Duda to put a word in for us next.IanB2 said:AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible.
Even if the Commission wins, it will lose, because it will have a sullen, divided and resentful Britain perpetually unsatisfied with its relationship and disruptive.
The UK won't simply fall into line and forget all about it, like Selmayr seems to (very naively) think it will.
Your euroenthusiast views are shared by 15-20% of the population, at best. If you want to talk about naivety, we should start with you.0 -
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird. 0 -
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.0 -
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Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.0 -
I hope it is as good as The Last Jedi.Scott_P said:0 -
Absolutely barking.williamglenn said:
If May calls a second referendum I don't think it will be a spur of the moment thing, but the culmination of a strategy that began before she invoked Article 50.Benpointer said:(Having said that, I wouldn't put it past Theresa to come back from her walking hols thinking a second referendum would be a splendid idea!)
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I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird. 0 -
Ah, I must have misinterpreted what you said somehow. Sorry!Benpointer said:
I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
Or maybe it would be even less accurate when they double our rebate in my preferred hypothetical?RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Edit: as reward.0 -
It is far too obvious that the reason for calling the referendum would only be to deliver the "right" result. The electorate would smell that a mile away, and the campaign materials on arrogance and hubris write themselves. The ultra-Remainers would be totally unprepared for this, and shocked that most people didn't agree with their pre-ordained conclusions, and rapidly panic.RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Electorates hate being taken for granted, or played, as May found out to her cost last year.0 -
@SeanT
The concept you are looking for is "voluntary patient", also known as an "informal patient". A voluntary patient is someone having in-patient treatment in a psychiatric hospital of their own free will.
https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/voluntary-patients/#.W1uGOdJKjIU
https://www.mind.org.uk/media/5077426/voluntary-patients.pdf0 -
I think you just misinterpreted my lame attempts at humour as, eh, well...RobD said:
Ah, I must have misinterpreted what you said somehow. Sorry!Benpointer said:
I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
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Yea, @HenryGManson is back!0
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LOL. Okay, now I get it (I'm blind...).Benpointer said:
I think you just misinterpreted my lame attempts at humour as, eh, well...RobD said:
Ah, I must have misinterpreted what you said somehow. Sorry!Benpointer said:
I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird. 0 -
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Chance of that happening: 0.TheJezziah said:
Or maybe it would be even less accurate when they double our rebate in my preferred hypothetical?RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Edit: as reward.0 -
Haha, I only just got it from looking back, bit too subtle for me missed it completely.Benpointer said:
I think you just misinterpreted my lame attempts at humour as, eh, well...RobD said:
Ah, I must have misinterpreted what you said somehow. Sorry!Benpointer said:
I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
I tend to agree with you. However, I still see sense in having the electorate rubber stamp a 'No Deal' if that is what it's to be. The choice should be No Deal or Remain; the government should stay neutral and TMay not campaign as whoever she didn't campaign for would have an unfair advantageCasino_Royale said:
It is far too obvious that the reason for calling the referendum would only be to deliver the "right" result. The electorate would smell that a mile away, and the campaign materials on arrogance and hubris write themselves. The ultra-Remainers would be totally unprepared for this, and shocked that most people didn't agree with their pre-ordained conclusions, and rapidly panic.RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Electorates hate being taken for granted, or played, as May found out to her cost last year.. 0 -
If I still had a day job, I'd not be giving it up!RobD said:
LOL. Okay, now I get it (I'm blind...).Benpointer said:
I think you just misinterpreted my lame attempts at humour as, eh, well...RobD said:
Ah, I must have misinterpreted what you said somehow. Sorry!Benpointer said:
I knowRobD said:
My point was they could have just used the word Charles.Benpointer said:
No, I mean Prince Charles takes up too much space and writes too many letters.RobD said:
"Charles"?Benpointer said:
Prince Charles takes up too much space - too many letters?RobD said:
Very droll!TheScreamingEagles said:Disappointed no one headlined this 'Prince Charles: Pedo defensor'
twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1022935090119274498
Any reason they didn't call him Prince Charles? Future King makes the headline sound weird.0 -
Who can say? I do not believe in any of this supernatural stuff, but lots of people seem to do so ... almost a national pastimekle4 said:
Does it count if one believes in consubstantiation?Beverley_C said:
Surely that should be "Christians drink blood and eat bodies" (after the priest does the transubstantiation business with the bread and wine on Sundays?)Acorn_Antiques said:
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The chances of your preferred hypothetical seemed quite low as well, although there are advantages to the EU letting the UK go if we ask to stay having made a mess of trying to leave it works for them as well, there are many reasons for them to want us to stay.RobD said:
Chance of that happening: 0.TheJezziah said:
Or maybe it would be even less accurate when they double our rebate in my preferred hypothetical?RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Edit: as reward.
If we tried to reverse course it would be silly for the EU to then push to make us leave, there have been mentions from various Europeans about Britain changing its mind and staying on the same terms.0 -
What's my preferred hypothetical?TheJezziah said:
The chances of your preferred hypothetical seemed quite low as well, although there are advantages to the EU letting the UK go if we ask to stay having made a mess of trying to leave it works for them as well, there are many reasons for them to want us to stay.RobD said:
Chance of that happening: 0.TheJezziah said:
Or maybe it would be even less accurate when they double our rebate in my preferred hypothetical?RobD said:
Plus the £350mn/week would be even more correct (increases in budget contribution and the end of the rebate as punishment)Casino_Royale said:
I think "we said Leave, we meant it" would be very potent. British electorates really don't like a bad loser.MaxPB said:
I doubt it. It would just become "well that wasn't the real referendum either, let's have another one, just in case".SeanT said:i think you're right and Leave would probably win referendum 2.0
At least then the Remainers would have to shut up for 30 years, and we would go into the darkness, united. As it were.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier today. No Tory PM could ever propose another referendum. It would be the end of our party.
Ultra-Remainers fail to see this as they've convinced themselves their case has already been proven, which it hasn't and won't be.
Edit: as reward.
If we tried to reverse course it would be silly for the EU to then push to make us leave, there have been mentions from various Europeans about Britain changing its mind and staying on the same terms.0 -
O/T Anyone seeing the lunar eclipse? It's completely feckin' cloudy here for the first evening in weeks!
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