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  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    From Twitter
    Scott Kinmartin ‏@ScottKinmartin 58s

    ATTENTION: An airhorn will proceed a controlled detonation at Dexter Avenue & Laurel Street in #Watertown, MA 02472. #MITshooting #WCVBTV
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    BenM said:

    PB Tory logic -

    Osborne is failing (he is) so Labour must match the Tory strategy?

    2015 may be a pivotal election. It should be. The edifice upon which much conservative "success" is built is not just crumbling, it is slumping into the sea.

    How does that square with the unstoppable rise of UKIP?
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    RobD said:

    A animated image showing the similarities between Sunil Tripathi and the suspect:

    http://i.imgur.com/3Bh7rkc.gif

    Was the suspect wearing fake ears?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Should say @edballsmp's people deny @Independent splash; but as @DPMcBride confirms, it's right.

    @JohnRentoul: RT @DPMcBride: One thing's for sure: no sensible, loyal person in Labour wants that story out now, so whoever briefed it is either a snake or a half-wit.

    Could easily be both...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Millsy said:

    RobD said:

    A animated image showing the similarities between Sunil Tripathi and the suspect:

    http://i.imgur.com/3Bh7rkc.gif

    Was the suspect wearing fake ears?
    Must be the hat!
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    From Twitter
    Geff ‏@GeffStrikgeff now

    #DCRISuspect 1: Mike Mulugeta DEAD Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi ON THE RUN
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jameskirkup: Anyone seen @edballsmp ? He's just missed the start of his own phone-in on LBC.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801

    From Twitter
    Geff ‏@GeffStrikgeff now

    #DCRISuspect 1: Mike Mulugeta DEAD Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi ON THE RUN

    Wonder who the one they are questioning is then, a third party. Bah with 24/7 news you can never get information fast enough!!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Looks like Suspect 2...

    http://t.co/PTql7BvAOg
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Labour cannot be planning to go into next election with its thing being *increasing* spending + opposing welfare cap. Really? Seriously?

    @GuidoFawkes: Indy front page splash that Labour will promise to spend more. In other news I may have a drink down the pub later since it is Friday.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    RobD said:

    From Twitter
    Geff ‏@GeffStrikgeff now

    #DCRISuspect 1: Mike Mulugeta DEAD Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi ON THE RUN

    Wonder who the one they are questioning is then, a third party. Bah with 24/7 news you can never get information fast enough!!!
    Who knows. It's a fog at the moment.

    But the guy being led away naked makes sense - if he's a suspect, they'd want to remove him from anything that could be used as a trigger. If you strip him, there're less places to hide anything.

    Although I'm probably wrong. And there're still (ahem) some places to hide things...

    And someone's released video of a shoot-out - can't seem much, but there're plenty of shots fired.
  • samsam Posts: 727

    Lord Ashcroft has done a poll on attitudes to, and among, Britain's ethnic minorities. The UKIP supporters views are revealing :

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4894271/Rolf-Harris-sex-abuse-arrest.html

    Rolf Harris?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    edited April 2013
    @SeanT

    none of the suspects is dead. One's in custody one's on the run.

    How did it get from theft at 7/11 to MIT cop getting shot?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    News conference ongoing: it looks like one officer killed at MIT. The suspects were chased in a car and there was another shoot-out. One suspect was shot and taken into custody. The other fled on foot and is still at loose.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    Just googled Dirty Dicks, must make sure I get to the one in London and not Amsterdam...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2013

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Only problem....that building is not the Shard on the south bank, but a new one in the City of London next to the Gherkin.....The Shard would be to the right of this photo, not directly ahead,...

    View from The Shard:

    http://www.willpearson.co.uk/virtual-tour/gigapixel-view-from-the-top-of-the-shard/

    And it isn't the Mail either - it's the Sun.

    And you were complaining about accuracy?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    @Pulpstar

    very brave, googling "dirty dicks"

    not at work, then....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Boston globe saying #1 shot and killed, so who do they have?
  • samsam Posts: 727
    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Is that The Daily Mail? looks like The Currant Bun
  • BenM the housebuilders paid ALOT for their landbanks didn't they? If they then develop the properties and sell the houses they will still be very epxensive. So...yes...the market is where it is because of the planning law. If planning was deregulated then the value of these land banks would plummet. But Joe Blow could also buy land and get a house built for much less than is the case today. House prices would fall, the construction industry and employment would gain. The market is currently badly distorted - by successive governments.

    As is usuually the case, things would be better if governments let a free but sensibly regulated market operate. I'm not suggesting that it should be OK to put a MacDonalds in the middle of Stonehenge, but we are now sort of at the other extreme where land is not as freely owned for its owner to do with as he pleases as should be the case. Your (abslolutely correct) comment about landbanks and developers kind of proves my point. They exist because there is not a free market.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    OK I'm backing off commenting on Boston

    It's like googling medical symptoms - too much information, all of it conflicting, you might as well go to see a doctor.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited April 2013
    TV stations not consistent with each other here.
    RobD said:

    From Twitter
    Geff ‏@GeffStrikgeff now

    #DCRISuspect 1: Mike Mulugeta DEAD Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi ON THE RUN

    Wonder who the one they are questioning is then, a third party. Bah with 24/7 news you can never get information fast enough!!!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: Labour cannot be planning to go into next election with its thing being *increasing* spending + opposing welfare cap. Really? Seriously?

    @GuidoFawkes: Indy front page splash that Labour will promise to spend more. In other news I may have a drink down the pub later since it is Friday.

    Tax n spend....that's all labour are good for.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Mr. Slackbladder, you missed off borrowing.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    Maybe you should tweet that to @copwatcher ;)

    I hadn't heard of the Cheesegrater until just now.. shows how long i've been away!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Turns out Mike Mulugeta hates Justin Beiber on his twitter account...so he's not all bad.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    And Bizzarely out of the 9 people he follows, one of them is BBC Radio 4.
  • samsam Posts: 727
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    There's nothing wrong with that post apart from the building not being the Shard and the paper not being The Mail
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    I'm reading that the naked suspect was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, poor sod.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Because they're desperate...

    @JonAshworth
    Extraordinary stuff - Osborne used to love citing IMF as endorsing his cuts, now IMF criticise him so his henchmen brief against them
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    Maybe you should tweet that to @copwatcher ;)

    I hadn't heard of the Cheesegrater until just now.. shows how long i've been away!
    It's very big. Taller than the Gherkin. I heard they are now going ahead with the Pinnacle, too.

    London is getting dramatic new skyscrapers. Still not sure about the 'Walkie Talkie' tho.
    Have you tried the Duck & Waffle on the 40th Floor of the Heron Tower? Food not bad and views to die for. First time I went a drunk bint thinking she could escape her bar bill pulled the fire alarm and we had to trek down 40 floors...when you pull a fire alarm you get sprayed with UV visible dye....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    edited April 2013
    Updates from reddit..

    EDIT 4:34 EDT: Suspect 1 died to [with?] explosive attached to chest! White Hat might have one as well.
    EDIT 4:34 EDT: "White Hat" reported to have explosive device on him.
    EDIT 4:31 EDT: Suspect "White Hat" has been spotted.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    SeanT said:



    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

    Perhaps you didn't notice it wasn't my tweet. Not being a regular self-pleasurer over London's skyline, I'm happy to be advised otherwise. Why do you think a pic was cobbled together?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @Theuniondivvie "Perhaps you didn't notice it wasn't my tweet"

    But you posted it thinking you'd show Mail = shoddy journalism & big crowds at Thatcher funeral = lies

    A little corroborating research wouldn't have been hard; ffs all you had to do was scroll down to see it completely debunked in the comments underneath about 12 hours ago.
  • samsam Posts: 727
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    Maybe you should tweet that to @copwatcher ;)

    I hadn't heard of the Cheesegrater until just now.. shows how long i've been away!
    It's very big. Taller than the Gherkin. I heard they are now going ahead with the Pinnacle, too.

    London is getting dramatic new skyscrapers. Still not sure about the 'Walkie Talkie' tho.
    There is one nr Liverpool St station that is so high I got vertigo looking up at it last week, The Heron Tower
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Busting rightwing misconceptions:

    @IanDunt
    Majority of Tory, Labour and Lib Dem voters believe multiculturalism is a good thing http://bit.ly/10mxuw7
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Very good point (hope Ed's team are reading):

    @THemingford
    If all these people existing on benefits were living this "life of luxury" the govt & media portray, the economy would have been booming.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    SeanT said:

    sam said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    Maybe you should tweet that to @copwatcher ;)

    I hadn't heard of the Cheesegrater until just now.. shows how long i've been away!
    It's very big. Taller than the Gherkin. I heard they are now going ahead with the Pinnacle, too.

    London is getting dramatic new skyscrapers. Still not sure about the 'Walkie Talkie' tho.
    There is one nr Liverpool St station that is so high I got vertigo looking up at it last week, The Heron Tower
    The Heron Tower is glittering and sleek: impressive. But the Shard still outshines them all. I saw it last night from Highgate Hill at dusk. A pale silver-sapphire sword, up thrust from the London clay. It's stunning. A masterpiece. The way it changes in the light.

    Bugger me I miss home!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    10,000 cops looking for one man (apparently according to CNN)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    sam said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    Did a parade go down that street during the jubilee, or is it just the skyline which has been photoshopped?

    Our wonderful 'free' press..

    Kevin Blowe ‏@copwatcher 13h
    DAILY MAIL LIARS: check out picture of "Thatcher's funeral". Shard still being built. It's from last year's Jubilee http://tinyurl.com/brltjw4

    It's the fecking Cheesegrater, uniondivvie, not the Shard. You moron.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    Maybe you should tweet that to @copwatcher ;)

    I hadn't heard of the Cheesegrater until just now.. shows how long i've been away!
    It's very big. Taller than the Gherkin. I heard they are now going ahead with the Pinnacle, too.

    London is getting dramatic new skyscrapers. Still not sure about the 'Walkie Talkie' tho.
    There is one nr Liverpool St station that is so high I got vertigo looking up at it last week, The Heron Tower
    Useless Factoid:

    The Heron Tower on Bishopsgate was built on the site of Crosby Hall, a mansion built by London Merchant Sir John Crosby in the 1370s. The dinning hall from that mansion was taken down brick by brick in 1908 and subsequently re-erected in Chelsea just North East of Battersea Bridge where it now forms the Eastern side of a mock Tudor building.

    / Useless Factoid
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Is that guacamole with Ed's fish n'chips?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Should say @edballsmp's people deny @Independent splash; but as @DPMcBride confirms, it's right.

    @JohnRentoul: RT @DPMcBride: One thing's for sure: no sensible, loyal person in Labour wants that story out now, so whoever briefed it is either a snake or a half-wit.

    Could easily be both...

    Oh dear - what an omnishambles.

    Marched poor Ben up to the top of the spending hill only to disappoint.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 8m
    Ferrari: "Where you involved in selling off the gold?" Balls: "ermmmmmmmmmmmmm" #CallBalls

    All going well then....
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    BenM said:

    Busting rightwing misconceptions:

    @IanDunt
    Majority of Tory, Labour and Lib Dem voters believe multiculturalism is a good thing http://bit.ly/10mxuw7

    I'd have thought that punctured the left-wing misconception that anyone to the right of Marx is a racist homophobe.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    @Sam

    sorry had to rush out last night after posting.

    If you could care still, my point about UKIP/cutting-nose-to-spite-face-ism was that I also respect your point about voting for parties whose policies you believe in. Plenty of Green Party voters think as you do and undoubtedly they have to a certain extent shaped the narrative. Thing is, they are viewed as powerless (and worse) and will never be in a position to enact their manifesto.

    If you are happy for the mainstream parties to have their policies tweaked by your UKIP membership then I get that (and a euro referendum was more than "tweaking").

    I suppose it is about getting the best outcome possible rather than the best possible outcome....
  • Racist homophobes are nothing.

    I'm a flagellating, necrophiliac bestialist - but it's tiring and sometimes I think I'm flogging dead horse.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    edited April 2013


    But you posted it thinking you'd show Mail = shoddy journalism & big crowds at Thatcher funeral = lies
    A little corroborating research wouldn't have been hard; ffs all you had to do was scroll down to see it completely debunked in the comments underneath about 12 hours ago.

    In light of recent events I think I might do a bit of research before posting a tweet making an accusation of paedophillia. Accusations regarding the shoddiness and political bias of the British press, not so much.

  • samsam Posts: 727
    edited April 2013
    @TOPPING

    Thanks for the reply.

    Yes, well I think if UKIP get 10% of the vote or more in 2015 then it will make them very likely to get a couple of seats in 2020, and who knows what might happen after that. If people of my mindset voted for Lab or Con forever then we forfeit our right to complain when they do things that we completely disagree with.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @Theuniondivvie "In light of recent events I think I might do a bit of research before posting a tweet making an accusation of paedophillia. Accusations regarding the shoddiness and political bias of the British press, not so much."

    In that case why should anyone on a politics blog show you any respect? You obviously have none for your own output.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    On the multi-cultural poll, I checked the pdf, and it seems (I could've missed it) that they've omitted the white figures for and against.

    Now, I fully expect a white majority in favour, but it's perverse to have a question like that and break it down into multiple ethnicities but miss out the largest one.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @Morris_Dancer there were two polls on it; one of just ethnic minorities, the other of the general public. I haven't checked the tables for either, and I don't know what you're looking at, but that may be why.
  • MSNBC, NBC reporting that Sunil Tripathi is not, repeat not, the second Boston suspect.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Ah, that could be it, Mr. Jimmy. Yes, you're right.

    I only looked at that one question (wanted to see how it was phrased). I wonder if there's a status quo element. Being against multi-culturalism entirely would mean a drastic change.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    edited April 2013
    Suspect #2 dead too, apparently. So much for the trial.

    Scratch that...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Another Ceremonial Funeral for another Tory PM?

    "Blair 'deserves a funeral as big as Thatcher's': Minister who arranged Iron Lady's service suggests he could get similar ceremony because he won three elections

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311370/Blair-deserves-funeral-big-Thatchers-Minister-arranged-Iron-Ladys-service-suggests-similar-ceremony-won-elections.html#ixzz2QtqH0GBV
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good morning.
    One terrorist dead, one policeman dead in Boston vicinity.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,865
    Yes: both suspects are dead. Allegedly the second one had a bomb strapped to his chest.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Miss Vance, it's hard to say. He did win many elections, but the changes he made to Britain are nowhere near as significant as Thatcher's. I also think he'll be remembered less by history. Thatcher has vehement supporters and opponents, but Blair's not exactly popular with the left or the right.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796


    In that case why should anyone on a politics blog show you any respect? You obviously have none for your own output.

    I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but I can get by quite well without your (and that of a great many others) respect.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    edited April 2013
    rcs1000 said:

    Yes: both suspects are dead. Allegedly the second one had a bomb strapped to his chest.

    I'm reading conflicting stuff about that (#2).. sounds like #1 died with gunshot and explosives injuries.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited April 2013
    Labour have already filled in the blank piece of paper on housebuilding. They're against anything which might boost the numbers of houses built:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_9782000/9782567.stm

    http://www.planningresource.co.uk/news/1152818/

    http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2012/october/labour-opposes-government-proposals-to-allow-appeals-on-unviable-section-106-obligations/

    This is true to form, of course. The largest number of houses ever built in any year in the UK was under a Conservative government.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    @Morris_Dancer there were two polls on it; one of just ethnic minorities, the other of the general public. I haven't checked the tables for either, and I don't know what you're looking at, but that may be why.

    BAME:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ethnic-minority-survey-April-2013-full-tables.pdf

    Comparison:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ethnic-minority-poll-Nat-Rep-comparison-full-tables.pdf

    Net in favour of Multiculturalism (Comparison)

    Con: +42
    Lab: +52
    LibDem: +78
    UKIP: -14
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The white capped terrorist is still being hunted and is still alive, as of this moment.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    MikeK said:

    The white capped terrorist is still being hunted and is still alive, as of this moment.

    Sorry about the confusion earlier!
  • samsam Posts: 727
    edited April 2013

    @Morris_Dancer there were two polls on it; one of just ethnic minorities, the other of the general public. I haven't checked the tables for either, and I don't know what you're looking at, but that may be why.

    BAME:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ethnic-minority-survey-April-2013-full-tables.pdf

    Comparison:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ethnic-minority-poll-Nat-Rep-comparison-full-tables.pdf

    Net in favour of Multiculturalism (Comparison)

    Con: +42
    Lab: +52
    LibDem: +78
    UKIP: -14
    Seems fair enough, as UKIP openly state they want an end to multiculturalism I thought it may be more than -14

    Looks like they updated their immigration policy yesterday

    http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/3038-ukip-immigration-policy

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @tim

    The support for multiculturalism among Conservatives is likely far more nuanced than your typically simple reaction to it. First of all, I expect many hear the question as "are you racist?", so they answer to avoid that accusation. Second, I'm sure that more of the people "supporting" multiculturalism think they're supporting the fact that there's cultural diversity in this country, rather than supporting the institutionalisation of cultural diversity, ie they're more Trevor Phillips than Ken Livingstone. I'd contend that most "PB Tories" understand the nuance and are against in the same way as Phillips.

    Are PB Labour supporters representative of Labour supporters around they country? If they are I'm dying to know who the one in six are who wish Maggie was PM...
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    tim said:


    MacMillan I assume, before the Tories became ideologically bent on selling council houses and not replacing them?

    Well, it certainly wasn't Blair or Brown, that's for sure. Quite where they thought the net 2.2 million immigrants were supposed to live, Lord only knows.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The worrying thing is that the white-capped guy is probably going to choose to go out with a bang when cornered.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548


    In that case why should anyone on a politics blog show you any respect? You obviously have none for your own output.

    I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but I can get by quite well without your (and that of a great many others) respect.
    You could just have said "oops, that was stupid" and maintained some dignity. Instead you come out looking like even more of an idiot. How nice for you.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited April 2013
    @tim - Yes, Macmillan, from memory I think it was 1957.

    I don't know what Ed wants, or how he proposes to pay for it. The known facts are that Labour failed absolutely miserably even in the boom times to build more houses, and that they have systematically opposed even the modest proposals the current government has made to ease the log-jam. The affordable housing requirement is the most brain-dead, since the only effect is to prevent any houses, affordable or not, being built at all on many small sites where the environmental and amenity damage would be very small.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    o/t. But this is for Roger and Plato amongst others. A short film celebrating the reopening of The Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=IxPhRsl57dM&feature=endscreen
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Just building council houses isn't very "one nation" - its 35% bribing core vote strategy.

  • samsam Posts: 727
    edited April 2013
    Where had he been for a month?....

    www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/sunil-tripathi-missing-brown-university_n_2947997.html
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Please would either BenM or tim provide a direct quotation from the answer Christine Lagarde gave to Ed Conway in Washington DC yesterday which substantiates the claim that the IMF has criticised the current fiscal consolidation policy of the UK government.

    Christine Lagarde twice iterated her support for the UK government's fiscal management at the beginning of her answer. She then went on to state that the IMF's position had not changed from its most recent report on the UK economy, namely that the UK should continue with its existing plan unless growth substantially weakens, in which case further fiscal or monetary stimulus should be considered.

    So come on tim and Ben. Put up or shut up.
  • samsam Posts: 727


    In that case why should anyone on a politics blog show you any respect? You obviously have none for your own output.

    I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but I can get by quite well without your (and that of a great many others) respect.
    You could just have said "oops, that was stupid" and maintained some dignity. Instead you come out looking like even more of an idiot. How nice for you.
    Hope he has a big shovel to help keep digging that hole

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    TGOHF said:

    Just building council houses isn't very "one nation" - its 35% bribing core vote strategy.

    H,

    this One Nation Ed witters on about, is it France ?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    @tim - I think that's the first time I've been compared to Benn!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    @Carlotta

    There's a voting intention poll there on the comparison

    Con 29
    Lab 42
    LD 8
    UKIP 9

    And a 'who do you trust' on the economy:

    Cameron/Osborne: 41
    Miliband/Balls: 34
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    @tim - My mistake - it was when Macmillan was Housing Minister, under Churchill. 300,000:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Seriously - who actually wants to live in a council house - people want to own their own home.

    Labour just want more clients dependant on it - job provided by the government , house provided by the government - its not Macmillan - its Brezhnev...

  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807

    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: Labour cannot be planning to go into next election with its thing being *increasing* spending + opposing welfare cap. Really? Seriously?

    @GuidoFawkes: Indy front page splash that Labour will promise to spend more. In other news I may have a drink down the pub later since it is Friday.

    Tax n spend....that's all labour are good for.
    Independent story underpins yesterday's Ipsos Mori finding that voters see Labour as becoming less ready for government as the weeks go by.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    tim said:

    @Richard.

    Council House completions under One Nation Macmillan in 1957 - 150,000

    Going on abut housebuilding in the 1950s is slightly disingenuous - we were still rebuilding housing stock after the war. The need was so much greater and dramatic than it is now.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2013

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 18th April - CON 33%, LAB 40%, LD 10%, UKIP 11%; APP -28

    Internals showing downward drift for Labour too....

    tim should note that the closing gap between Tories and Labour is now so confirmed by polling trends that the Sun are happy to wait til the following morning to release the YouGov figures.

    We should only expect a late night leak now when crossover occurs.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2013
    tim said:

    @Carlotta
    No Clegg/Cable option inflates the Tory answer for obvious reasons

    On what planet is 'Clegg/Cable' an option?

    In any case LibDem voters split in line with OA on the question....

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    @Carlotta

    In a general election.

    Not under FPTP....or any form of PR, come to that.....

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2013
    @TGOHF

    'It's basically the Hollande approach - but spending more.'

    A couple of years of fantasy economics by the two Ed's endorsed by the Fabian society,interest rates rocket as the market loses confidence and then a big crash back to reality.
    The damage will be immense.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2013
    Times (£)

    Ed Miliband is facing fierce internal dissent amid claims that plum seats in the European Parliament are being “stitched up” for union-backed candidates.
    Rows have broken out across the country within Labour after previously popular candidates were excluded in favour of others supported by the party’s biggest financial backers.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3743513.ece

    LabourList commented on this a few days back:

    "Are these Labour’s least transparent (and most open to abuse) selections?"

    http://labourlist.org/2013/04/are-these-labours-least-transparent-and-most-open-to-abuse-selections/

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Just seen a billboard advert at Bucharest airport:

    Apply for a UK Labour Party Visa Card.

    No credit limit, no national borders and houseback with every purchase.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AveryLP said:

    Just seen a billboard advert at Bucharest airport:

    Apply for a UK Labour Party Visa Card.

    No credit limit, no national borders and houseback with every purchase.

    And a job building flimsy rabbit hutches for welfare dependants..
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sounds like I could be getting my CB back ?


    Drew McGowan ‏@TheRealMcGowan

    "Universal benefits which go across the population are an important bedrock of our society" ~ Ed. #ScotLab13
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why has Rolf Harris suddenly been named today in the media?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi

    With the Conservative victory in 1951 Macmillan became Minister of Housing under Churchill, who entrusted Macmillan with fulfilling the latter's conference promise to build 300,000 houses per year. 'It is a gamble—it will make or mar your political career,' Churchill said, 'but every humble home will bless your name if you succeed.'[42] Macmillan achieved the target a year ahead of schedule.[

    So the peak of council house building in this country, very sensibly, was under Churchill and Macmillan.

    I can see Ed's speechwriters using that line can't you?

    The peak of housebuilding occurred after a war in which a large proportion of the housing stock was destroyed or damaged. A comparison between then and now is stupid.

    In addition, much of the non-damaged housing stock was seen as being not fit for purpose for a whole variety of reasons. Terraces that were partially destroyed, tenement blocks, or back-to-backs that were no longer seen as being fit for purpose.

    If Ed tries comparing the two he'll be shot down. The two situations, problems and requirements are very different.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @Avery

    If we have sent you to Romania it's only fair that we get all the Cheeky Girls they have to offer in return. Think of it as your contribution to good Coalition relations.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just announced that Harvard will be closed today.

    So the bombers have succeeded in closing down the world's number one university.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    TGOHF said:

    Seriously - who actually wants to live in a council house - people want to own their own home.

    Labour just want more clients dependant on it - job provided by the government , house provided by the government - its not Macmillan - its Brezhnev...

    Two points:

    1. There's a huge waiting list of people who would like a council house in preference to renting one in the private rental market.

    2. If you build more council houses you can combine that with right-to-buy without running out of the council houses that you need to house the needy and desperate.

    Dare I mention that this might represent a "third-way" between the Thatcherite position of selling off all social housing, and the stuck-in-the-distant-past position of the Left who would have council houses for all?
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