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Owen was promoted prematurely by Callaghan in February 1977 following Anthony Crosland's death.He never really enjoyed the status within the Government that normally goes with the office and was certainly not seen at the time as one of the big beasts of that Administration comparable to Foot, Healey, Benn and Shore.It did though bring him into public view for the first time and helped set him up to become a major figure in the early 1980s when the SDP split happened.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Owen.ydoethur said:
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
He went from Minister of State at the FCO to Foreign Secretary.
Edit you could argue John Major too. He went from Chief Secretary which is effectively Minister of State at the Treasury to Foreign Secretary.0 -
Sorry folks but I'm going to be unbearably smug for the next few days, which is no change.0
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And the only way they can realistically kill it is to kill Brexit. May is a political genius.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
This is a piss poor panorama. 20 mins of covering well trodden ground then 5-10 of inneudo of what they think he was up to in the 80/90s, but they have no evidence.0
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Fantastic news - I can hear doctors and nurses whooping with delightTheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
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My Hunt bets coming in nicely!0
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Hunt floated the idea of a referendum on the deal in the aftermath of the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
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A Remainer.TheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1016410594189152257
Who is going to be Secretary of State for wearing an NHS pin badge now?0 -
Didn't SeanF say it was Patel?TheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
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Lol, thanks for the early tips. I'd also like to add that Penny Mordaunt is in from 66 earlier today to 25 at the moment. I got a very nice amount on as well.TheScreamingEagles said:Sorry folks but I'm going to be unbearably smug for the next few days, which is no change.
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Fake newsRoger said:
Didn't SeanF say it was Patel?TheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
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From my office where politics never gets aired: Brexit is a total shitshow. People are bored by it and angry at the sheer waste of it all. Surprising support for Theresa May who is seen as the captain that stays in the wheelhouse as the ship goes down. Unlike rats Johnson, Davis and Gove who actually sunk the ship before abandoning it. Gove is seen as especially slippery. The women in the office particularly contemptuous of male Leavers. Rees Mogg regarded as a sick joke.0
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Talk of Hancock getting Health.0
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AKA a joke.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fake newsRoger said:
Didn't SeanF say it was Patel?TheScreamingEagles said:HUNT IS FOREIGN SECRETARY
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Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1016410594189152257
"Pleased"? Even dear old Brenda must be thinking this is an utter shit show by now.0 -
The Cabinet certainly look better without Davis and Johnson. That's not saying much but with those two they always looked like a joke0
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Hancock to Health0
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Hammond is the key.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he goes, she is finished.0 -
How exactly?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounding off, angry opinion pieces in the Telegraph, tweeting their horror have all served them so well, so far.
Oh, I know - why not come up with a plan0 -
Hammond won't go. He has no reason to.ydoethur said:
Hammond is the key.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he goes, she is finished.0 -
ydoethur said:
Hammond is the key.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he goes, she is finished.
He isn't going anywhere.0 -
Unless she tries to move him again, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:ydoethur said:
Hammond is the key.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he goes, she is finished.
He isn't going anywhere.0 -
Which is kind of the point of the thread header.CarlottaVance said:
How exactly?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounding off, angry opinion pieces in the Telegraph, tweeting their horror have all served them so well, so far.
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I would expect Liam Fox to resign in the morning, arguing that the Chequers plan would prevent him from signing new trade deals, because of the common rule book.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The next cabinet resignation should come just before the 10 o'clock news...0
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Yep, he has won.MaxPB said:
Hammond won't go. He has no reason to.ydoethur said:
Hammond is the key.FrancisUrquhart said:
Better hope there isn't another resignation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he goes, she is finished.0 -
Will there be a vote on the Brexit white paper?CarlottaVance said:
How exactly?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounding off, angry opinion pieces in the Telegraph, tweeting their horror have all served them so well, so far.
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Sorry, meant the vacant cabinet position, presumably at a lower ranking Dept, not the FCO.ydoethur said:
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
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The Queen working late tonight approving all these appointments.
Just as well she hadn't gone to bed early.0 -
Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.0
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Wow. I thought Hunt was immovable. What has he been given? Must be FO.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit. Oh I see this has already been confirmed.0 -
Foreign Office.DavidL said:
Wow. I thought Hunt was immovable. What has he been given? Must be FO.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Do try to keep up.DavidL said:
Wow. I thought Hunt was immovable. What has he been given? Must be FO.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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The Tory Party will split and the government collapse first...williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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I'm not the deckchair shuffler
I'm the deckchair shuffler's stooge
I'm only shuffling deckchairs
Till the iceberg comes
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Given the rank incompetence of Leavers like Boris and DD you can't blame her for promoting competent remainers.GIN1138 said:0 -
You could wear matching shoesTheScreamingEagles said:
She should sack Gavin Barwell and make me her Chief of Staff.JohnO said:Hunt should have got the job in the last ultra botched reshuffle. Finally Mrs M listens to the sage counsel of TSE et moi.
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May does seem to have dropped all pretence of balance between leave and remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which is at least progress from her prior ambivalence. At least now she stands for something. That something being cancelling Brexit in all but name.0 -
I think Jeremy Hunt is better suited to the Foreign Office than he was at Health.0
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The Today presenters must be overjoyed that they'll have even more opportunities to interview Jeremy
CHunt.0 -
No, May has completely destroyed the hard Brexiteers, even if some of them don’t yet realise it.GIN1138 said:
The Tory Party will split and the government collapse first...williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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Hunt probably still believes in remaining. I don't know why he 'changed his mind'.williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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That letter to Boris was pretty brazen.Philip_Thompson said:
May does seem to have dropped all pretence of balance between leave and remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which is at least progress from her prior ambivalence. At least now she stands for something. That something being cancelling Brexit in all but name.0 -
So is this the first ever Conservative Cabinet without any old Etonian members? I think it must be.0
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What letter to Boris?tlg86 said:
That letter to Boris was pretty brazen.Philip_Thompson said:
May does seem to have dropped all pretence of balance between leave and remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which is at least progress from her prior ambivalence. At least now she stands for something. That something being cancelling Brexit in all but name.0 -
They have gone a long way in destroying themselveswilliamglenn said:
No, May has completely destroyed the hard Brexiteers, even if some of them don’t yet realise it.GIN1138 said:
The Tory Party will split and the government collapse first...williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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Is it now more old Estonian?JohnO said:So is this the first ever Conservative Cabinet without any old Etonian members? I think it must be.
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Disappointed Rudd is not back in some capacity. Still, any Cabinet without Johnson beats any Cabinet with Johnson.
If we could only now flush Fox, Grayling and Williamson I’d be happy.0 -
That referendum which had a majority for Leave may have had something to do with it.rural_voter said:
Hunt probably still believes in remaining. I don't know why he 'changed his mind'.williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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Uncle Harold, grandson of Scottish crofters, being frightfully patrician.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is it now more old Estonian?JohnO said:So is this the first ever Conservative Cabinet without any old Etonian members? I think it must be.
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That's because it IS a betrayal. Or at least it will be when Theresa May has finished her "negotiations" (AKA selling Brexit down the river)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hunt a reasonable choice as Foreign Secretary, suave he can smoothe international diplomats and Foreign Ministers and he looks the part.
Plus as he now trails Mogg, Javid, Gove and Boris in the Tory membership next leader polls he likely realises his chance of being next PM and Tory leader has gone so he can actually focus on the job in hand and if you can't be PM Foreign Secretary is a pretty good consolation prize.
Hancock also is sharp and efficient enough to tackle Health0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44772804Essexit said:
What letter to Boris?tlg86 said:
That letter to Boris was pretty brazen.Philip_Thompson said:
May does seem to have dropped all pretence of balance between leave and remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which is at least progress from her prior ambivalence. At least now she stands for something. That something being cancelling Brexit in all but name.0 -
At 8:45 I added to my Hunt for leader bet, at 13. Now 9.
Oh happy days!0 -
Hoorah, we're getting a Cambridge educated lawyer and classicist as Attorney General
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Yes dear. Two sugars in your tea was it? Why don't you tell me again about the time you were Prime Minister?williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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Given how ambitious Williamson is there must be a chance that he will see this as an opportunity to win new admirers by turning on his current patron.Gardenwalker said:Disappointed Rudd is not back in some capacity. Still, any Cabinet without Johnson beats any Cabinet with Johnson.
If we could only now flush Fox, Grayling and Williamson I’d be happy.0 -
Only replacing Hancock (remainer) replacing Hunt (remainer)GIN1138 said:0 -
I am told that here are many Cox attend Cambridge. Is it true?TheScreamingEagles said:Hoorah, we're getting a Cambridge educated lawyer and classicist as Attorney General
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Some people really have lost their marbles - which I guess was the point of last Friday.TheScreamingEagles said:
THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING DEAL.0 -
Jeremy Wright is the new Culture Secretary to replace Hancock (and was constituency Chairman of Warwick and Leamington when I was C.F. chairman at university)
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C, er, HuntTheScreamingEagles said:Hoorah, we're getting a Cambridge educated Attorney General
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1016417058647691264
Hancock
Cox
There's a theme running through this reshuffle.0 -
At least there is now an adult in the room.AndyJS said:I think Jeremy Hunt is better suited to the Foreign Office than he was at Health.
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Yes, you're right, I thought he was earlier. Confusing him with Gummer which doesn't flatter either of them.JohnO said:0 -
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So what? Why should a balance of Remainers and Leavers be the method for picking good Cabinet members? That hasn't worked, and it is time to forget who was on what side as being the only thing that matters. And to pick an outcome to go for. If that is hard or if that is soft. Then we can all see if the other side can accept that. If they cannot, so be it.GIN1138 said:0 -
Given the number of Leavers who have resigned they can hardly complain:
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So there were a couple then. Not that I rate Waldegrave as one of Eton's more impressive products.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
At this rate it won't be long before cancelling it altogether becomes a serious proposition. The chances of a second referendum have greatly increased in the past 24 hours. It's not odds on yet but given that May will not be able to get any deal through Parliament it could soon be the only way forward.Philip_Thompson said:
May does seem to have dropped all pretence of balance between leave and remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which is at least progress from her prior ambivalence. At least now she stands for something. That something being cancelling Brexit in all but name.0 -
Well she’s done it. Forced in a way, but she has to go down fighting or keep swimming now. Goodness knows we’ve got an interesting few months coming up.0
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Is there any significance to the immobility of Michael Gove?0
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We've had an interesting four years, since the start of the Scottish referendum campaign.numbertwelve said:Well she’s done it. Forced in a way, but she has to go down fighting or keep swimming now. Goodness knows we’ve got an interesting few months coming up.
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But it’s not impossible that it might have formed the basis of one.tlg86 said:
Some people really have lost their marbles - which I guess was the point of last Friday.TheScreamingEagles said:
THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING DEAL.
The caps do not indicate close attention to your own marbles...
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He’s served his purpose and isn’t incompetent so she might as well leave him there.AlastairMeeks said:Is there any significance to the immobility of Michael Gove?
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Yes, Mrs May can't stand him and Govey cannot stop plotting. Hard to do plotting from DEFRA.AlastairMeeks said:Is there any significance to the immobility of Michael Gove?
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Factionalism now rules. We now have:
Official Conservatives – Theresa M, Philip H
Real Conservatives – Jacob R-M, Sajid J, Lynn T
Continuity Conservatives – Ken C, Anna S, Dominic G
Provisional Conservatives – Peter B, William C
other denominations doubtless will emerge.
All this to sow confusion and doubt in the minds of the dastardly Euro elite.
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Its funny how some seem to have difficulty with the concept.....they would appear to be Remain first, democrat second.ydoethur said:
That referendum which had a majority for Leave may have had something to do with it.rural_voter said:
Hunt probably still believes in remaining. I don't know why he 'changed his mind'.williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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Any markets up on elections to the European Parliament being held in the UK in 2019 ? In a cancelled brexit world it could become a proxy for a referenendum.0
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tlg86 said:
Some people really have lost their marbles - which I guess was the point of last Friday.TheScreamingEagles said:
THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING DEAL.
Indeed. As Boris points out in his letter, this is just May's opening offer, the actual deal may be much worse.
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He is doing a good job at DEFRA.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, Mrs May can't stand him and Govey cannot stop plotting. Hard to do plotting from DEFRA.AlastairMeeks said:Is there any significance to the immobility of Michael Gove?
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Well, in fairness that puts them in line with Juncker, Selmayr, Delors and Giscard. It has always been the EU's most significant weakness that it dare not trust democracy, because it gives embarrassing results.CarlottaVance said:
Its funny how some seem to have difficulty with the concept.....they would appear to be Remain first, democrat second.ydoethur said:
That referendum which had a majority for Leave may have had something to do with it.rural_voter said:
Hunt probably still believes in remaining. I don't know why he 'changed his mind'.williamglenn said:Hunt is on the record as saying that the people need to be able to vote on the terms of Brexit. A second referendum should be odds on now.
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In fairness, for those of us who work for a living, its not easy!Bromptonaut said:
Do try to keep up.DavidL said:
Wow. I thought Hunt was immovable. What has he been given? Must be FO.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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But the actual deal won’t be negotiated until after Brexit. If you fear what’s to come the only way to stop it is to stop Brexit. May has played this to perfection.MarkHopkins said:tlg86 said:
Some people really have lost their marbles - which I guess was the point of last Friday.TheScreamingEagles said:
THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING DEAL.
Indeed. As Boris points out in his letter, this is just May's opening offer, the actual deal may be much worse.0
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