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When I was a child, we used to visit my maternal grandparents most Sundays. I learned my love of card games and Scrabble there, including the importance of seating: my grandpa would cheat to ensure my grandma won (she was a shocking loser and he knew which side his bread was buttered). Sunday tea was an institution, my grandma slipping Ben her fat golden Labrador little treats from her plate when she thought no one was looking.
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Firstish...0
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This is what a Tory govt looks like kids. That's why we didn't have one for 13 years.0
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Yup.0
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3 years!kle4 said:
They collapse 8 years in? I don't think that's as much a criticism as you think it is.Jonathan said:This is what a Tory govt looks like kids. That's why we didn't have one for 13 years.
Let's not forget they had the Lib Dems to take care of them for the first five. When finally set free, they implode over Europe.
Who knew!0 -
Tories are making Italian governments look stable....0
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At some stage both sides in the Conservative civil war have to stop looking at Brexit as a path to personal advancement. They will not be forgiven if they don’t. Real jobs, real communities, real lives hang on the Brexit deal we get. May belatedly seems to have understood that, Gove too. Hammond always got it. Surely there are a few more grown ups somewhere on the Tory benches.0
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I any surprised to say this, but Alastair is right. This far in it is inexcusable that Leavers didn't have an alternative (and clearly they did not or there would have been action to stop May before now, since Davis is clear his misgivings go back a long way). Seeing different candidates try to come up with other ideas on the fly will be very disruptive, and the confidence some have that the party will unite behind the winner is not borne out by reality. JRM and co will not magically start being supportive if May were to win a contest, or a May type were to win, and why would Mayites do differently?
However, where it comes down to what has to be negotiated, that's where Alastair has forgotten that JRM and co do not want a deal. They may not have the votes in the party to outright back that, but they have enough to stop anything else from being tried.
It's no deal or remain I think.0 -
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the '22. Will it be as badly leaked as a Corbyn reshuffle?0
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Neither of the main political parties looks fit for purpose now.
Gareth Southgate needs to start a Calm and Sensible Gradualist Party. He'd sweep to power.0 -
was that... an actual joke by Tmay??CarlottaVance said:0 -
The louder the tables bang the more they want her gone.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Should a plan that is a totally shit, undeliverable plan be given marks just for being a plan?
I said Friday this plan wouldn't survive first contact withthe enemythe EU. It can only count as a plan if it was firmly "Take it or leave it". May couldn't remotely convey that required level of gritty determination. The EU would just take all on offer and extend their list of demands.....
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Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
She's actually quite witty - but it doesn't come across on TV....TheWhiteRabbit said:
was that... an actual joke by Tmay??CarlottaVance said:0 -
TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
I still don't get why if it is so bad (and I think everyone believes either the EU will reject it or ask for a lot more) that the Cabinet agreed it. Either they didn't realise it was bad, or pretended they thought otherwise. I don't quite buy that the timeline is unimportant here.MarqueeMark said:Should a plan that is a totally shit, undeliverable plan be given marks just for being a plan?
I said Friday this plan wouldn't survive first contact withthe enemythe EU. It can only count as a plan if it was firmly "Take it or leave it". May couldn't remotely convey that required level of gritty determination. The EU would just take all on offer and extend their list of demands.....0 -
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TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won0
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There is no alternativekle4 said:
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TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Boris letter coming out as Theresa is speaking?williamglenn said:
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Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
Is there some remote one we can send him to?williamglenn said:0 -
Boris is a fan of history, perhaps he would appreciate exlie on St Helena or Corsica?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Is there some remote one we can send him to?williamglenn said:0 -
The Tories circa 2018 are almost entirely divorced from any kind of external reality.
Remoaner or Mogglodyte, they all now inhabit fictional universes that exist almost entirely in their own minds.0 -
South Georgia.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Is there some remote one we can send him to?williamglenn said:0 -
They know it's bad, it's just that they don't have the necessary courage to go forwards or backwards, and remain stuck in no-mans land (to continue the OP theme). They are looking at each other waiting for someone else to go, for the barrage to end or for the other side to surrender.kle4 said:
I still don't get why if it is so bad (and I think everyone believes either the EU will reject it or ask for a lot more) that the Cabinet agreed it. Either they didn't realise it was bad, or pretended they thought otherwise. I don't quite buy that the timeline is unimportant here.MarqueeMark said:Should a plan that is a totally shit, undeliverable plan be given marks just for being a plan?
I said Friday this plan wouldn't survive first contact withthe enemythe EU. It can only count as a plan if it was firmly "Take it or leave it". May couldn't remotely convey that required level of gritty determination. The EU would just take all on offer and extend their list of demands.....
It'ss not leaver obsessives by the way. It's their own party members and activists. They will need them in 2022 for the next election. And a leader that can function effectively on TV.
That should concentrate minds.0 -
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
"Sir! you have disappointed us!Scrapheap_as_was said:
Is there some remote one we can send him to?williamglenn said:
We had intended you to be
The next Prime Minister but three:
The stocks were sold; the Press was squared:
The Middle Class was quite prepared.
But as it is! . . . My language fails!
Go out and govern New South Wales!"0 -
Because he's still deciding which version to send?GIN1138 said:
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
Precisely thatrpjs said:
"Sir! you have disappointed us!Scrapheap_as_was said:
Is there some remote one we can send him to?williamglenn said:
We had intended you to be
The next Prime Minister but three:
The stocks were sold; the Press was squared:
The Middle Class was quite prepared.
But as it is! . . . My language fails!
Go out and govern New South Wales!"0 -
Well ,Boris is right in his letter that crucial decisions have been postponed. Prior to 2018 I think plenty of us were still giving May and the government a bit of leeway given the difficulty of the task, but the constant delays have been all about the Tory melodrama. Which, in fairness, is something Boris is just as much a part of.
He's much weaker on explaining the delay in his decision on quitting. He congratulated May on at least reaching a Cabinet decision after acknowledging his side did not have the numbers...then over the weekend he decided he could not, after all, back it.
Interesting closer though, talking about the largest and most effective diplomatic network of any country in Europe 'a continent which we will never leave. I know remainers and leavers at times incorrectly equate the EU with Europe, but I'm curious why he felt the final words in his letter should be emphasising that we will never leave the continent no matter what.
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TINA = There Is No Alternative. Or Thatcher Is Not Availablekle4 said:
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TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
https://order-order.com/2018/07/09/read-boris-resignation-letter-full/GIN1138 said:
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
SKY/YouGov
Do you or do you not trust Theresa May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU?
Do 22% (-32)
Do not 64% (+31)
Don't know 14% (+1)
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ExiledInScotland said:
TINA = There Is No Alternative. Or Thatcher Is Not Availablekle4 said:
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TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:
Thanksnot_on_fire said:
There is no alternativekle4 said:
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TINAkle4 said:
Oh please, what nonsense. Let's say there is no contest, or she wins it - we're to believe this chaotic group of clowns will suddenly get behind her or manage to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time we have?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Good to see you again !grabcocque said:The Tories circa 2018 are almost entirely divorced from any kind of external reality.
Remoaner or Mogglodyte, they all now inhabit fictional universes that exist almost entirely in their own minds.0 -
Mogglodyte, I've not seen that one before, that's very good.grabcocque said:The Tories circa 2018 are almost entirely divorced from any kind of external reality.
Remoaner or Mogglodyte, they all now inhabit fictional universes that exist almost entirely in their own minds.
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should Sterling start v Croatia?williamglenn said:0 -
Apparently she said she was planning on going on a walking holiday for her summer break.williamglenn said:0 -
Long on rhetoric - solutions - zero.kle4 said:
https://order-order.com/2018/07/09/read-boris-resignation-letter-full/GIN1138 said:
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
Yep.rottenborough said:
Whether actual votes are still needed in parliament is almost immaterial - government will collapse trying to negotiate or implement anything.0 -
As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.0
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"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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https://twitter.com/peston/status/1016357420510085120?s=21
Why are our journalists crying about this one tweet? At most, at least find Americans other than one NYT journalist and Dean Howard to quote. It’s been hours yet I’m still seeing this one tweet quoted on my timeline now....0 -
A long walk off a short pier?brendan16 said:
Apparently she said she was planning on going on a walking holiday for her summer break.williamglenn said:0 -
Gavin Barwell scripted it for her. She was going to say it whether the press were outside or not.TheWhiteRabbit said:
was that... an actual joke by Tmay??CarlottaVance said:0 -
The Tories cannot do the latter while they are so divided. But if they do the former, things might get so chaotic perhaps the latter will happen. Tough times.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
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They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
I do not think a country that elected Fuckface von Clownstick possesses any moral authority when it comes to the subject of international standing.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/peston/status/1016357420510085120?s=21
Why are our journalists crying about this one tweet? At most, at least find Americans other than one NYT journalist and Dean Howard to quote. It’s been hours yet I’m still seeing this one tweet quoted on my timeline now....0 -
We're at the stage where a grand coalition to actually get things done should be formed (for deciding what our future relationship with the EU is should be a bi-patisan affair). But for that to happen all four sides need to be willing to compromise, from Con & Leave to Lab & Remain as well as Con & Stay. An election leading to a hung drawn and quartered parliament may be the best way of achieving that.kle4 said:
The Tories cannot do the latter while they are so divided. But if they do the former, things might get so chaotic perhaps the latter will happen. Tough times.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
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General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
Exactly.grabcocque said:
I do not think a country that elected Fuckface von Clownstick possesses any moral authority when it comes to the subject of international standing.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/peston/status/1016357420510085120?s=21
Why are our journalists crying about this one tweet? At most, at least find Americans other than one NYT journalist and Dean Howard to quote. It’s been hours yet I’m still seeing this one tweet quoted on my timeline now....0 -
They would have got Strong'n'Stable if they'd voted for it. They deliberately chose not to, so they have got Weak'n'Wobbly instead. That's what they wanted. It seemed disastrously daft to me, what with there being a tricky Brexit negotiation to do and all that, but there we go.Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
+1 We see this sort of thing all the time, usually when it is a quote of how bad Britain is doing but occasionally the reverse, and it's usually people getting way too reactive to something very minor indeed. Much as I love Roger he has a tendency to do the same thing.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/peston/status/1016357420510085120?s=21
Why are our journalists crying about this one tweet? At most, at least find Americans other than one NYT journalist and Dean Howard to quote. It’s been hours yet I’m still seeing this one tweet quoted on my timeline now....0 -
That doesn't get any of us out of anything.Jonathan said:
General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=21Richard_Nabavi said:
They would have got Strong'n'Stable if they'd voted for it. They deliberately chose not to, so they have got Weak'n'Wobbly instead. That's what they wanted. It seemed disastrously daft to me, what with there being a tricky Brexit negotiation to do and all that, but there we go.Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
Never going to happen. Lab will be confident of winning outright with the Tories in open warfare, and if they are even just largest party they will seek arrangements in an anti tory alliance, and it seems improbable no such numbers would work.Chameleon said:
We're at the stage where a grand coalition to actually get things done should be formed (for deciding what our future relationship with the EU is should be a bi-patisan affair). But for that to happen all four sides need to be willing to compromise, from Con & Leave to Lab & Remain as well as Con & Stay. An election leading to a hung drawn and quartered parliament may be the best way of achieving that.kle4 said:
The Tories cannot do the latter while they are so divided. But if they do the former, things might get so chaotic perhaps the latter will happen. Tough times.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
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It helps those of us who backed a 2018 election, thank you very much. Do we not bleed, if we are cut? Please think of us.kle4 said:
That doesn't get any of us out of anything.Jonathan said:
General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
Yes it does. We get to choose.kle4 said:
That doesn't get any of us out of anything.Jonathan said:
General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
I would if you weren't raking in that Youtube advertising moneyrcs1000 said:
It helps those of us who backed a 2018 election, thank you very much. Do we not bleed, if we are cut? Please think of us.kle4 said:
That doesn't get any of us out of anything.Jonathan said:
General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:
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Brexit is dead, Robert. Putting 50p in the meter to keep the life support machine running won’t do any good.rcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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But they warned us that if we didn't elect a Tory majority, we'd get a coalition of chaos. We didn't, so that's what we've got...Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
Atrocious numbers......grabcocque said:SKY/YouGov
Do you or do you not trust Theresa May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU?
Do 22% (-32)
Do not 64% (+31)
Don't know 14% (+1)
(Changes from March 2017)0 -
Choose what? The Tories will have no coherent Brexit prospectus to offer, Lab will claim they do but we know they don't, and the others bar the SNP are irrelevant. Playing musical chairs without removing any chairs over time doesn't lead to a narrowing of outcomes, just more delay and prevarication.Jonathan said:
Yes it does. We get to choose.kle4 said:
That doesn't get any of us out of anything.Jonathan said:
General Election.kle4 said:
"Does anyone here have any f***ing clue how we get out of this?"williamglenn said:0 -
If Brexit dies then expect Farage and Banks to launch a populist movement and heaven help us in 2022 because there will be a huge F*** Y** sentiment out there.williamglenn said:
Brexit is dead, Robert. Putting 50p in the meter to keep the life support machine running won’t do any good.rcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/10163131946279813120 -
NickPalmer said:
But they warned us that if we didn't elect a Tory majority, we'd get a coalition of chaos. We didn't, so that's what we've got...Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.
Ahem. Yes we did.NickPalmer said:
But they warned us that if we didn't elect a Tory majority, we'd get a coalition of chaos. We didn't, so that's what we've got...Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=21
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That's remarkably fair Mr Palmer.NickPalmer said:
But they warned us that if we didn't elect a Tory majority, we'd get a coalition of chaos. We didn't, so that's what we've got...Jonathan said:
They were promised strong and stable. They got chaos. The Tories are the Southern Rail of political parties.Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that the EU problem wouldn't have gone away.Jonathan said:It would have been better if Ed Milliband had won
It would have been better if the referendum had gone firmly the other way, or if Theresa May had got the decisive mandate she asked for, which would have given her the authority to do a deal and see off both the ultra-Brexiteers and the continuity Remainers with whom they are in an unholy alliance. And it would probably saved the Labour Party too.
Voters voted for chaos, they are getting what they wanted.0 -
I have read that some people look happy and elated before they are going to kill themselves.TheWhiteRabbit said:
was that... an actual joke by Tmay??CarlottaVance said:0 -
What does 'went well' mean in this context? Papering over cracks might make people feel better without actually doing any good for example. Agreeing she has to go might be 'went well' for the party, who knows.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Death by a thousand commas.GIN1138 said:
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
I liked your latest videos but why are London rental yields so low nowrcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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I don't understand what a second referendum will achieve.
The Leavers will be invigorated by an establishment takeover, and even if they lose narrowly, they will demand another one within a few hours, and certainly before anything else is decided. That's how the system works now, isn't it?
If leave win, it will be ignored again. Russian influence, they're too thick to vote, and it's all wrong cos I think differently.
We need to leave, in fact as well as in name. If after considered opinion over a few years, we change our minds, so be it.
To make a mockery of democracy will create a schism that will last a generation.
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Loads of typos in the Spectator version of the Boris letter.
'Government’s campaign for 12 ears of quality education for every girl, and much more besides. '0 -
It did feel pretty poorly written. Rambling digressions on minor points when a matter of great importance is meant to be discissed. An odd one.old_labour said:
Death by a thousand commas.GIN1138 said:
Why is Boris's letter coming out in dribs and drabs rather than seeing the full thing?williamglenn said:0 -
You are so arrogant in your Euro Federalism you completely ignore the facts.williamglenn said:
Brexit is dead, Robert. Putting 50p in the meter to keep the life support machine running won’t do any good.rcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1016313194627981312
How can Brexit be dead when the PM, the Leader of the Opposition and the likely next Tory leader are all fully behind Brexit?
The only senior UK wide party leader with more than 1 seat who opposes Brexit, wants a second EU referendum or even wants to stay in the single market is Vince Cable with just 12 MPs0 -
I think we need a referendum on what type of leaving - I don't see how that occurs, nor would it solve all our problems, but the parliament as constituted is incapable of agreeing.CD13 said:I don't understand what a second referendum will achieve.
The Leavers will be invigorated by an establishment takeover, and even if they lose narrowly, they will demand another one within a few hours, and certainly before anything else is decided. That's how the system works now, isn't it?
If leave win, it will be ignored again. Russian influence, they're too thick to vote, and it's all wrong cos I think differently.
We need to leave, in fact as well as in name. If after considered opinion over a few years, we change our minds, so be it.
To make a mockery of democracy will create a schism that will last a generation.0 -
Farage is a busted flush. There might be someone out there who can launch a populist movement, potentially even someone nastier than Farage. But it won't be him.ExiledInScotland said:If Brexit dies then expect Farage and Banks to launch a populist movement and heaven help us in 2022 because there will be a huge F*** Y** sentiment out there.
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As though he'd say anything else...CarlottaVance said:0 -
That, of course, is what Brexiteers would have us believe but I wonder. Most people are not that interested in Brexit, just as they were not that interested in Europe before Cameron foisted the referendum on us. If it all collapses they may just shrug their shoulders and carry on - I don't think it's by any means a given that there will be national outrage and demands to elevate Farage to the premiership. It's surely obvious to everyone that the Brexit that was promised at the referendum cannot be delivered and so a change of mind may be seen as a sensible move and not the democratic outrage that many people on here seem to fear.ExiledInScotland said:
If Brexit dies then expect Farage and Banks to launch a populist movement and heaven help us in 2022 because there will be a huge F*** Y** sentiment out there.williamglenn said:
Brexit is dead, Robert. Putting 50p in the meter to keep the life support machine running won’t do any good.rcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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" ... heaven help us in 2022 because there will be a huge F*** Y** sentiment out there "
I think you're right. Killing a democratic vote because you don't like it will destabilise the country. Why bother with ballots anymore?0 -
If May survives we likely get the transition period, if she goes she likely goes within a fortnight and we prepare for No Dealrcs1000 said:
Article 50 extension.Chameleon said:As hugely entertaining as this is, I'd rather like it if they chose not to have a leadership contest less than a year away from the exit date. I'd be up for another general election though.
Back it now.
The problem is, of course, that crashing out the EU in nine months time with limited preparation for No Deal will likely be unpleasant. Even going to WTO in an orderly fashion now requires the help of the EU.HYUFD said:By 45% to 20% Tory members think 'soft Brexit' would be bad for Britain.
By 49% to 25% Tory members think 'no deal' Brexit would be good for Britain.
Hard to see how May can lead the Tories at the next general election so divorced from her own members and also explains why Mogg is Tory members' preferred candidate to succeed May in the same poll
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If football comes home, will there be anything left when it gets here?0
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Mr kl4
"I think we need a referendum on what type of leaving."
What is defined a leaving? Surely making our own rules on trade agreements and control of borders is the bare minimum. Given that, we can happily discuss the minutiae.0
