My point isn't that De Menezes is the same as Duggan. My point is that I'm eternally surprised at how trust in the police doesn't seem to have been significantly eroded by them whitewashing and denying everything from those cases. The communities who never trusted them (like Duggan's friends and family) still don't, but the 'chattering classes' seem to forever believe that it is just a few bad apples, no matter how long attempted cover-ups go on for. Even Plebgate hasn't made much of a dent.
That's why plebgate got me so riled when it turned out the police had been less than forthright with the truth.
Laurie Penny is claiming "murdered". I wouldn't trust the police to judge a knobbly knees contest, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over what happened to Mark Duggan.
It was his Aunt, the ginger lady, that said he had been executed... she definitely said it, just seen it on Sky News
I thought Mrs Mensch was being a bit of an OTT numpty when she tweeted:
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch 21m Labour's police-blaming over the tragic death of an armed, gun-toting gang member reminds me again why I am a Conservative. #Duggan
But Diane Abbot obliges
Labour MP .@HackneyAbbott tells @BBCNews: "My heart goes out to the Duggan family... tonight there will be questions asked."
The question we need to answer in the Duggan inquest is not whether we trust the Police but whether we trust the jury and respect its decision.
I doubt whether Duggan's family would have been so prepared to criticise the jury and its decision had the verdict been one of unlawful killing.
Of course I did not hear the evidence but it seems to me that the jury have considered this very carefully and reached a reasonable decision which by no means absolves the police of blame but on the other hand contains the rather useful message that they are entitled to be very cautious with a known criminal who is thought to be armed (with very good reason).
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
Well if she has any sense she will avoid this one like the plague.
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
I thought Mrs Mensch was being a bit of an OTT numpty when she tweeted:
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch 21m Labour's police-blaming over the tragic death of an armed, gun-toting gang member reminds me again why I am a Conservative. #Duggan
But Diane Abbot obliges
Labour MP .@HackneyAbbott tells @BBCNews: "My heart goes out to the Duggan family... tonight there will be questions asked."
Errm ok then...
Given the jury's full verdict can you explain what the problem is with what Dianne Abbott has said there? I am struggling to see it myself, though I am far from being Dianne's greatest fan.
Louise Mensch's Tweet is, of course, entirely predictable in its dishonesty.
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
The Duggan jury verdict seems to me to strike the right balance.
They believe the police made mistakes in terms of intelligence but accept that within the terms of split second decisions made in the context of armed criminality that the police acted lawfully.
"Responding to Labour’s accusations that they are fuelling poverty, betting shop owners said they were merely offering working class equivalent of City trading.
Bookie Roy Hobbs said: “People who go to private school get to gamble on the stock exchange, where they shout at monitors, take cocaine in the bogs and then enjoy lobster dinners with Estonian prostitutes.
“This is the closest that unshaven smelly men can get to throwing billions into the lap of the gods with little regard for the consequences."
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
You trying to fill the gap left by the loser whatshisname ?
The question we need to answer in the Duggan inquest is not whether we trust the Police but whether we trust the jury and respect its decision.
I doubt whether Duggan's family would have been so prepared to criticise the jury and its decision had the verdict been one of unlawful killing.
Of course I did not hear the evidence but it seems to me that the jury have considered this very carefully and reached a reasonable decision which by no means absolves the police of blame but on the other hand contains the rather useful message that they are entitled to be very cautious with a known criminal who is thought to be armed (with very good reason).
The scenes outside the RCJ are quite disturbing and it appears to me as if the immediate intention of the Duggan family and their supporters is to rally support for 'community action' against the verdict.
They have had plenty of time to prepare for all the eventual outcomes of the inquest. Few people would want to deny the family their legal rights of appeal, but this doesn't appear the course they wish to follow. It is not in the nature of the game.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
Showing your true colours SO.. You used to be the voice of reasoned argument..
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Can't people just let tim alone? He's not posting, big deal.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
The Tories have been considering this as a strategy for months. Policy Exchange or one of the other think tanks did work on it that came out last conference season.
The question we need to answer in the Duggan inquest is not whether we trust the Police but whether we trust the jury and respect its decision.
I doubt whether Duggan's family would have been so prepared to criticise the jury and its decision had the verdict been one of unlawful killing.
Of course I did not hear the evidence but it seems to me that the jury have considered this very carefully and reached a reasonable decision which by no means absolves the police of blame but on the other hand contains the rather useful message that they are entitled to be very cautious with a known criminal who is thought to be armed (with very good reason).
The scenes outside the RCJ are quite disturbing and it appears to me as if the immediate intention of the Duggan family and their supporters is to rally support for 'community action' against the verdict.
They have had plenty of time to prepare for all the eventual outcomes of the inquest. Few people would want to deny the family their legal rights of appeal, but this doesn't appear the course they wish to follow. It is not in the nature of the game.
Is there a right of appeal against the findings of an inquest jury?
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Those betting on a Labour overall majority should consider the implications of that article, and what it says about Ed Balls's views of an outright victory, carefully.
on topic - I dont see the rationale for separating out the basic state pension from other contributory benefits. People in receipt of, say, ESA paid for this through their national insurance contribution record in exactly the same way as people in receipt of the basic state pension did. You could, if you wanted, differentiate between contributory benefits and non-contributory benefits but what would the point be? There is no rationale for cutting the latter before the former. If the Tories want to slash benefit expenditure *and* not screw pensioners any more than they have done to date then it's going to be tough.
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
Showing your true colours SO.. You used to be the voice of reasoned argument..
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
Showing your true colours SO.. You used to be the voice of reasoned argument..
I have some sympathy with SO's aims, but agree with you that his response to pbr2013's post may not be the best way of achieving them.
My suggestion is that PBers club together to finance the provision of counselling services to the subject and hope that such an offer of assistance might yield better and quicker results.
The question we need to answer in the Duggan inquest is not whether we trust the Police but whether we trust the jury and respect its decision.
I doubt whether Duggan's family would have been so prepared to criticise the jury and its decision had the verdict been one of unlawful killing.
Of course I did not hear the evidence but it seems to me that the jury have considered this very carefully and reached a reasonable decision which by no means absolves the police of blame but on the other hand contains the rather useful message that they are entitled to be very cautious with a known criminal who is thought to be armed (with very good reason).
The scenes outside the RCJ are quite disturbing and it appears to me as if the immediate intention of the Duggan family and their supporters is to rally support for 'community action' against the verdict.
They have had plenty of time to prepare for all the eventual outcomes of the inquest. Few people would want to deny the family their legal rights of appeal, but this doesn't appear the course they wish to follow. It is not in the nature of the game.
I'm guessing the courts will be even tougher than they were after the previous riots, should any idiots decide to torch Tottenham again.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Those betting on a Labour overall majority should consider the implications of that article, and what it says about Ed Balls's views of an outright victory, carefully.
He doesn't think there'll be one, and he thinks Clegg will still be in situ when the music stops?
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Can't people just let tim alone? He's not posting, big deal.
Tim is the opium of the PB Hodges, they just cannot let him go. He is probably pissing himself with all the posts the Hodges are posting about him. And to think, they used to laugh at the number of posts he did. Oh, the utter irony.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Those betting on a Labour overall majority should consider the implications of that article, and what it says about Ed Balls's views of an outright victory, carefully.
He doesn't think there'll be one, and he thinks Clegg will still be in situ when the music stops?
That would be the gist of how I read it. I'm always slightly scared when I agree with Ed Balls.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Those betting on a Labour overall majority should consider the implications of that article, and what it says about Ed Balls's views of an outright victory, carefully.
Clearly Balls has been in touch with my ARSE, the latest outpouring of which has moved Labour closer to the Conservatives in a hung parliament.
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
Showing your true colours SO.. You used to be the voice of reasoned argument..
Well I thought it was funny.
At least one person gets it. There is hope. Thank-you!!!!
Good solid reasoned argument there, Mr. O. Or was it a light hearted anecdote. Either way a terrific contribution guaranteed to get more people posting on the site. Perhaps, not quite up to your usual standards? Hmmm?
The question we need to answer in the Duggan inquest is not whether we trust the Police but whether we trust the jury and respect its decision.
I doubt whether Duggan's family would have been so prepared to criticise the jury and its decision had the verdict been one of unlawful killing.
Of course I did not hear the evidence but it seems to me that the jury have considered this very carefully and reached a reasonable decision which by no means absolves the police of blame but on the other hand contains the rather useful message that they are entitled to be very cautious with a known criminal who is thought to be armed (with very good reason).
The scenes outside the RCJ are quite disturbing and it appears to me as if the immediate intention of the Duggan family and their supporters is to rally support for 'community action' against the verdict.
They have had plenty of time to prepare for all the eventual outcomes of the inquest. Few people would want to deny the family their legal rights of appeal, but this doesn't appear the course they wish to follow. It is not in the nature of the game.
Is there a right of appeal against the findings of an inquest jury?
I am sure there will be but it is likely to be on the basis of law and process rather than fact.
I expect LIAMT to know and no doubt he will instruct us accordingly and in due course.
on topic - I dont see the rationale for separating out the basic state pension from other contributory benefits. People in receipt of, say, ESA paid for this through their national insurance contribution record in exactly the same way as people in receipt of the basic state pension did. You could, if you wanted, differentiate between contributory benefits and non-contributory benefits but what would the point be? There is no rationale for cutting the latter before the former. If the Tories want to slash benefit expenditure *and* not screw pensioners any more than they have done to date then it's going to be tough.
I wondered if the move to the fixed state pension was to start the decoupling of the state pension from contributions, in preparation for calling it a 'benefit', tthen shifting it to means-testing like all the other "welfare = baaad" stuff. But it seems it will still be linked to contributions, at least initially, even if the details are not yet clear. It would also help to clear the way for a merger of NI and income tax. Yet either would be a brave act for a Tory party which relies disproportionately on the elderly vote.
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Can't people just let tim alone? He's not posting, big deal.
Tim is the opium of the PB Hodges, they just cannot let him go. He is probably pissing himself with all the posts the Hodges are posting about him. And to think, they used to laugh at the number of posts he did. Oh, the utter irony.
Yeah, but he still ran away crying, and has not returned, when I gave him a taste of his own medicine, didn't he?
Heh.
How do you run away from a mesageboard? If he can't be arsed posting, I assume he wont post. I have can never understand this messageboard. People think you get some kind of credibility, by posting a few words on a messageboard, and if you don't, you are running away. What next, medals next to peoples names to show who is a "Super Poster". Bizarre. It's like being in school.
I wondered if the move to the fixed state pension was to start the decoupling of the state pension from contributions, in preparation for calling it a 'benefit', tthen shifting it to means-testing like all the other "welfare = baaad" stuff.
One of the aims of the new single-tier state pension is to reduce means-testing (though it does that mostly by simply abolishing the savings credit).
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Can't people just let tim alone? He's not posting, big deal.
Tim is the opium of the PB Hodges, they just cannot let him go. He is probably pissing himself with all the posts the Hodges are posting about him. And to think, they used to laugh at the number of posts he did. Oh, the utter irony.
Yeah, but he still ran away crying, and has not returned, when I gave him a taste of his own medicine, didn't he?
Heh.
How do you run away from a mesageboard? If he can't be arsed posting, I assume he wont post. I have can never understand this messageboard. People think you get some kind of credibility, by posting a few words on a messageboard, and if you don't, you are running away. What next, medals next to peoples names to show who is a "Super Poster". Bizarre. It's like being in school.
My only surprise is that you're surprised. At the end of the day, commercial software needs to be sold, and the more infantile the buyer is, the easier it is to make a sale. Mind you, I am warming to the idea of restricting the franchise to those who can demonstrate emotional maturity. On such a basis, I reckon all the General Election counting would be over by 11 o'clock easily.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
I don't think that's fair. She made some thoughtful and intelligent comments about the disadvantages which white working class boys face a few months back.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
I don't think that's fair. She made some thoughtful and intelligent comments about the disadvantages which white working class boys face a few months back.
Doreen Lawrence is just one of a few public figures who attract inexplicable levels of negativity on pbc. Fairness doesnt come into it.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
I don't think that's fair. She made some thoughtful and intelligent comments about the disadvantages which white working class boys face a few months back.
Doreen Lawrence is just one of a few public figures who attract inexplicable levels of negativity on pbc. Fairness doesnt come into it.
"Is there a right of appeal against the findings of an inquest jury?"
One of the grown-ups will be along shortly t give us chapter and verse, but I am not sure there is except on the grounds of misdirection or abuse of process by the coroner. Furthermore, I am not sure there should be. The Coroners court is an inquest not an adversarial court. If a jury's verdict is open to appeal on gorunds that they got it wrong why bother with it in the first place.
Oddly enough that used to be the position in the Criminal law until relatively recently. If the idea of a jury is for 12 ordinary people to decide on the evidence of the facts is held to be good enough why, unless there was evidence unlawfully withheld from them or the Judge directed them wrongly, should there be a right of appeal from their decision. If a panel of judges can do a better job, then let the case go before them to start with and save the time and costs. Denning had quite a lot to say on the point as I recall.
Mind you the whole system of appeals in law is, in my view, bizarre. If so many cases go to appeal after appeal up through the chain justice is not served only the lawyers. See "Uncommon Law" by J.P.Herbert for details.
Tottenham MP @DavidLammy says he does not believe there will be any repeat of rioting that followed the death of #duggan
Seriously, though, there must be a high chance of rioting. I think it's going to be a bit dicey over the next few nights.
If people riot when there's a shooting and then riot when the jury don't give them the answer they want, then it's little wonder that they end up "disadvantaged". However I hope there is no rioting in Tottenham or anywhere else. It's only the poor and vulnerable who suffer in such situations, just as they did last time.
The fact is that the state pension is an entitlement based on the contributory principle.At the moment working-age income from the state is not.This is where Mike is right. John Cruddas floated this idea within the Labour party for the contributory principle to be introduced for working age income but it seems to have been dropped.The contributory system means if you put in a bit more you get a bit more back,above a basic income.This genuinely rewards work. It's about give and take,yin and yang,rights and responsibilities-this should be Labour's language.
The fact is that the state pension is an entitlement based on the contributory principle.At the moment working-age income from the state is not.This is where Mike is right.
No, that's wrong, plenty of working age benefits are an entitlement based on the contributory principle.
I should imagine she is mortified that the cases are being linked.
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
I don't think that's fair. She made some thoughtful and intelligent comments about the disadvantages which white working class boys face a few months back.
Doreen Lawrence is just one of a few public figures who attract inexplicable levels of negativity on pbc. Fairness doesnt come into it.
Re overturning an inquest, reading about the Hillsborough inquests, an application has to be made to the high court to quash the original verdict because of there is new evidence, or that the original coroner erred in law or fact.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
Those betting on a Labour overall majority should consider the implications of that article, and what it says about Ed Balls's views of an outright victory, carefully.
He doesn't think there'll be one, and he thinks Clegg will still be in situ when the music stops?
That would be the gist of how I read it. I'm always slightly scared when I agree with Ed Balls.
Don't you two also agree about which football team to support?
Just reading today's Current Bun (found it on the train, honest guv). The main political story on page 2 is a report that the PM is thinking about raising the minimum wage by £1 an hour. Either @MaxPB has the ear of Tory strategists or else Tory strategists read this blog.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Tosser.
Showing your true colours SO.. You used to be the voice of reasoned argument..
Erm. I think you'll find SO was making a joke. Once you get that it is actually a very funny comment and certainly not intended to insult :-)
The statement "I have paid for my pension with NI" does not remotely equate. I am not at state pension age,but stopped working( and NI) at age 55,my State pension forecast is £12k/annum. To provide this level would require at least a £200K pot for an annuity,and this is for a non RPI linked annuity. I never contributed anything like enough NI to build up a £200K+ pot.RPI linking may require a pot of £300K It clearly is a benefit. Also I am not relying on this pension as I suspect sooner or later some will be means tested away from me.
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#Duggan supporter outside court tells @SkyNews: 'The people who do need to hide know who they are...'
Charming.
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch 21m
Labour's police-blaming over the tragic death of an armed, gun-toting gang member reminds me again why I am a Conservative. #Duggan
But Diane Abbot obliges
Labour MP .@HackneyAbbott tells @BBCNews: "My heart goes out to the Duggan family... tonight there will be questions asked."
Errm ok then...
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/01/intellectually-brilliant-and-impossible-to-dislike-what-the-guardian-thinks-about-me-or-does-it.html
Maybe I am being too kind, but he was obviously distressed.
That said, the "No justice, No Peace" chants don't augur well... what I found strange was some of the family laughing as they walked off
I wonder how Duggan came to the attention of Trident Gang Crime Command and had a gun with him at the time in a London taxi?
hihttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25657949
They aren't. But all Doreen's pronouncements since ennoblement are the same old aggressive apologism from 'the black community' ie they are the victims, they are never to blame, nothing is ever their fault, allowances must always be made, they are inherently disadvantaged.
Bts I am a long time lurker and occasional poster who finds this site much more congenial now that "tim" has gone.
Louise Mensch's Tweet is, of course, entirely predictable in its dishonesty.
They believe the police made mistakes in terms of intelligence but accept that within the terms of split second decisions made in the context of armed criminality that the police acted lawfully.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/gambling-machines-the-stock-market-for-poor-people-2014010882382
"Responding to Labour’s accusations that they are fuelling poverty, betting shop owners said they were merely offering working class equivalent of City trading.
Bookie Roy Hobbs said: “People who go to private school get to gamble on the stock exchange, where they shout at monitors, take cocaine in the bogs and then enjoy lobster dinners with Estonian prostitutes.
“This is the closest that unshaven smelly men can get to throwing billions into the lap of the gods with little regard for the consequences."
Mohican'd muppet on Sky claiming "Establishment" were looking for a scapecoat. "Someone had to pay for the riots..."
They have had plenty of time to prepare for all the eventual outcomes of the inquest. Few people would want to deny the family their legal rights of appeal, but this doesn't appear the course they wish to follow. It is not in the nature of the game.
'Labour heavyweight Ed Balls today dramatically revealed he could work in a coalition with Nick Clegg, after years of hurling abuse at the Lib Dem leader.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535973/Now-Ed-Balls-says-COULD-coalition-Nick-Clegg-years-attacking-Lib-Dem-leader.html
My suggestion is that PBers club together to finance the provision of counselling services to the subject and hope that such an offer of assistance might yield better and quicker results.
I wonder if this and the Duggan verdict are connected..! : )
http://news.sky.com/story/1192141/boris-wants-water-cannon-for-londons-streets
norman smith @BBCNormanS 1m
Tottenham MP @DavidLammy says he does not believe there will be any repeat of rioting that followed the death of #duggan
Fair enough. Maybe it just feels like it.
I expect LIAMT to know and no doubt he will instruct us accordingly and in due course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25659531#TWEET1007276
Whats wrong with all these helicopters dropping like flies; remember the Scottish crash recently.
Blimey! I hope the Day of the Triffids hasn't begun.
She's black, isn't she?
One of the grown-ups will be along shortly t give us chapter and verse, but I am not sure there is except on the grounds of misdirection or abuse of process by the coroner. Furthermore, I am not sure there should be. The Coroners court is an inquest not an adversarial court. If a jury's verdict is open to appeal on gorunds that they got it wrong why bother with it in the first place.
Oddly enough that used to be the position in the Criminal law until relatively recently. If the idea of a jury is for 12 ordinary people to decide on the evidence of the facts is held to be good enough why, unless there was evidence unlawfully withheld from them or the Judge directed them wrongly, should there be a right of appeal from their decision. If a panel of judges can do a better job, then let the case go before them to start with and save the time and costs. Denning had quite a lot to say on the point as I recall.
Mind you the whole system of appeals in law is, in my view, bizarre. If so many cases go to appeal after appeal up through the chain justice is not served only the lawyers. See "Uncommon Law" by J.P.Herbert for details.
John Cruddas floated this idea within the Labour party for the contributory principle to be introduced for working age income but it seems to have been dropped.The contributory system means if you put in a bit more you get a bit more back,above a basic income.This genuinely rewards work.
It's about give and take,yin and yang,rights and responsibilities-this should be Labour's language.
"Ed Balls"
Danye West @daniel_westwood 1m
Now voting Lib Dem. Bravo @nick_clegg
Twitter users are celebrating Ed Balls Day by tweeting his name.
The politician became the subject of the 'Ed Balls' meme when he posted his own name and nothing else two years ago on April 28, 2011.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/fun/news/a476873/ed-balls-day-mp-joins-in-with-meme-as-twitter-users-tweet-ed-balls.html
Clegg is such a g I love this class
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/rodman-sings-happy-birthday-to-north-korean-leader-1.1648254
Stupidest marketing stunt of the decade by Paddy Power?
"Can Dennis Rodman Change North Korea?"
http://news.sky.com/story/1192025/can-dennis-rodman-change-north-korea
Only bookie I can imagine with that sort of crackers market would be Paddy - which is the point of the stunt I guess ^_~
I am not at state pension age,but stopped working( and NI) at age 55,my State pension forecast is £12k/annum.
To provide this level would require at least a £200K pot for an annuity,and this is for a non RPI linked annuity. I never contributed anything like enough NI to build up a £200K+ pot.RPI linking may require a pot of £300K
It clearly is a benefit.
Also I am not relying on this pension as I suspect sooner or later some will be means tested away from me.
It will be Spring at the earliest before it kicks off.
We never hear anything from Rick Astley these days.
It's almost like he's given us up, and let us down.
http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/Next-UKIP-Leader/Politics-N-1z0x8s0Z1z141ne/
Surely Nuttall is the value here?
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