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On Thursday Willesden Green (a place well known to fans of DangerMouse) returned three Labour councillors in the election that was deferred from the local elections, but in doing so completed those local elections and allowed us to make the following analysis. Normally I do so with a commentary of my own, but given the subject matter I shall let the figures do the talking and allow other members to form their own opinions.
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What's the definition of these three types of ward ?0
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So what changed between 2014 and 2018 ?
Well in 2014 the Labour leader was of Jewish background and in 2018 the Labour party was widely regarded as anti-semitic (whether accurately or not is perhaps irrelevent).0 -
Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.0 -
On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!0
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I wonder how much Ed Miliband being Jewish cost Labour in 2015.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.0 -
There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.0 -
And who are the 23.7% Others in the Christian wards ?Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.0 -
Residents Association etcanother_richard said:
And who are the 23.7% Others in the Christian wards ?Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.0 -
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.0 -
Isn't it mostly accounted for by the swing back to Labour from Lutfer Rahman's "Tower Hamlets First Party"?another_richard said:So what changed between 2014 and 2018 ?
Well in 2014 the Labour leader was of Jewish background and in 2018 the Labour party was widely regarded as anti-semitic (whether accurately or not is perhaps irrelevent).
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Horrible, divisive header.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin....
...and this guy?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44613587
Khalid Ali, 28, was arrested on 27 April 2017 in Parliament Street, where he was caught carrying three knives.
Prosecutors said Ali, from Edmonton in north London, had planned a "murderous attack" on politicians and police.
In a police interview, Ali said he wanted to deliver a "message" to British authorities, but claimed the knives were for protection.
An Old Bailey jury convicted him of preparing an act of terrorism in the UK and two counts of possessing an explosive substance with intent. He did not react as the verdicts were read out.
Ali will be sentenced on 20 July.0 -
Are these results just for Willesden Green?0
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Aren't there any Jedi wards? Hindu wards? Sikh wards?0
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There Fewer than 300,000 Jews in the UK. - and their population share and voting strength is declining each year. Bar Barnet and parts of Camden I am not sure where their votes have much effect anymore. Redbridge used to have a large Jewish community - not so much any more.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
Certain other religious groups - some of whose adherents may be less sympathetic to the cause - are by contrast growing rapidly.0 -
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Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
The latter come under Christian wards - where ye Sikh ye will find.Sunil_Prasannan said:Aren't there any Jedi wards? Hindu wards? Sikh wards?
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Which wards are these?
How do you define Muslim, Christian, Jewish wards?
AFAIK, no ward is majority Jewish. A small number are majority Muslim. Most are majority Christian, albeit, in most cases, those are nominal, rather than actual, Christians.0 -
On 22 April last year - one month after the Westminster terror attack - Ali was caught on CCTV walking past the MI6 building at Vauxhall Cross, as well as Westminster Bridge, the Houses of Parliament and Whitehall.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
Five days later, his mother called police and said she had found four knives in his bedroom.
Police swooped in to arrest him just metres from Downing Street later that day.
Ali had spent several years in Afghanistan, and when asked by British police whether he had returned to the UK for jihad, he replied: "Jihad is what we do. We are Mujahideen."
Ali had three blades tucked into his clothes when he was arrested by armed police
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon described Ali as an "incredibly dangerous individual".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-446135870 -
I confess, I didn't know backstabber was an apparent anti-semitic trope, though I suppose given the 'sneaky' trope it makes sense.another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
I never understood the backstabber criticism of Ed M - he was supposed to let his older brother take the job even if he thought he'd do a better job of it? And given, under the system they were fighting with, he beat David, he was right.0 -
That might be right.Foxy said:
Isn't it mostly accounted for by the swing back to Labour from Lutfer Rahman's "Tower Hamlets First Party"?another_richard said:So what changed between 2014 and 2018 ?
Well in 2014 the Labour leader was of Jewish background and in 2018 the Labour party was widely regarded as anti-semitic (whether accurately or not is perhaps irrelevent).
But what about in Newham and other boroughs ?0 -
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Sunil you have an unhealthy obsession with Muslims.Sunil_Prasannan said:
On 22 April last year - one month after the Westminster terror attack - Ali was caught on CCTV walking past the MI6 building at Vauxhall Cross, as well as Westminster Bridge, the Houses of Parliament and Whitehall.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
Five days later, his mother called police and said she had found four knives in his bedroom.
Police swooped in to arrest him just metres from Downing Street later that day.
Ali had spent several years in Afghanistan, and when asked by British police whether he had returned to the UK for jihad, he replied: "Jihad is what we do. We are Mujahideen."
Ali had three blades tucked into his clothes when he was arrested by armed police
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon described Ali as an "incredibly dangerous individual".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44613587
I assume it is to do with your Indian heritage and the caste system that denigrates people you don't think are worthy.0 -
Is it because The Last Jedi has finished and is hopefully never coming back?Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Vote Labour!another_richard said:
I wonder how much Ed Miliband being Jewish cost Labour in 2015.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4223091.stm
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How was the religion ascertained?.. how were the Jedi affected by anti Semitism?0
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The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.0 -
What definition is being used to classify the wards?0
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That's how AV works, keep on eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a candidate with over 50%kle4 said:
The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.0 -
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.0 -
Great article from John Harris on Labour's problems.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/25/where-is-jeremy-corbyn-rose-tinted-vision-labour-past0 -
May the Schwarz be with youSquareRoot said:How was the religion ascertained?.. how were the Jedi affected by anti Semitism?
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What is a Christian/Jewish/Muslim ward?0
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I never understood the backstabber meme either re EdM as he certainly wasn't one.kle4 said:
I confess, I didn't know backstabber was an apparent anti-semitic trope, though I suppose given the 'sneaky' trope it makes sense.another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
I never understood the backstabber criticism of Ed M - he was supposed to let his older brother take the job even if he thought he'd do a better job of it? And given, under the system they were fighting with, he beat David, he was right.
But it does have associations with the 'stab in the back' propaganda used by the Nazis against, among others, Jews.0 -
AV referendum 2011:TheScreamingEagles said:
That's how AV works, keep on eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a candidate with over 50%kle4 said:
The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.
Yes2AV = 68%
No2AV = 32%0 -
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Sounds interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's how AV works, keep on eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a candidate with over 50%kle4 said:
The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.
Can we have a Thread!!!!0 -
And 538 people elect the US president.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am sure the rules can fit the policy if need be.0 -
It has been 35 degrees today and yesterday in Cumbria. Cumbria!LordOfReason said:0 -
In August.bigjohnowls said:
Sounds interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's how AV works, keep on eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a candidate with over 50%kle4 said:
The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.
Can we have a Thread!!!!0 -
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them, and kicked out a couple of people on discovering that they were Jewish. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
I think Tower Hamlets is distorting the Muslim figures. The collapse (and split) of Tower Hamlets First is most of the 3.9% I would have thought.0
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He presents an interesting picture in some ways. He undoubtedly inspires many people, he is capable of some rousing talk, and plenty of the ideas he likes do or will find support beyond even the Labour base (whether they may be good ideas is a separate question).williamglenn said:Great article from John Harris on Labour's problems.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/25/where-is-jeremy-corbyn-rose-tinted-vision-labour-past
But he also seems to go invisible for long periods, with unclear messages on some big topics with the impression given of muddling through, being vague and avoiding internal confrontation (quite May like really). He'll bestir once again, his foibles forgotten as he becomes once more the man of the moment, but for all it can be lazy to decry top politicians as all terrible, he and May really do seem of a pair.
I do find the contention in the article that part of the problem is the Corbynites have no supportive thinktanks interesting. Too much campaigning and factional battling, albeit successfully, and not enough to thinking about the challenges.0 -
Well I'll consider myself enlightened - current anti-semitism is all about the prejudices of Bufton Tuftons in the 1960s.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
I was shocked when an Old Etonian told me that not so long ago Eton pretty much barred Jews.Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
White supremacists aren't the only anti-semites....TheScreamingEagles said:
Sunil you have an unhealthy obsession with Muslims.Sunil_Prasannan said:
On 22 April last year - one month after the Westminster terror attack - Ali was caught on CCTV walking past the MI6 building at Vauxhall Cross, as well as Westminster Bridge, the Houses of Parliament and Whitehall.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
Five days later, his mother called police and said she had found four knives in his bedroom.
Police swooped in to arrest him just metres from Downing Street later that day.
Ali had spent several years in Afghanistan, and when asked by British police whether he had returned to the UK for jihad, he replied: "Jihad is what we do. We are Mujahideen."
Ali had three blades tucked into his clothes when he was arrested by armed police
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon described Ali as an "incredibly dangerous individual".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44613587
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TSE keeps confusing the Tory Exhaustive Ballot leadership system with AV.bigjohnowls said:
Sounds interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's how AV works, keep on eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a candidate with over 50%kle4 said:
The more the merrier - I assume they're keeping a run off if no one gets over 50%?GarethoftheVale2 said:On the Labour leadership proposals, it could make any contest very complicated as you could have 10 candidates!
Not, in itself, a major impediment - the rules of the party would just need to clarify that the group on the council will elect from its number the person the members have chosen.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I recall with councils the procedure is a form must be handed to the proper officer signed by all the members who wish to group together, and they must list what their group is to be called, who is Leader, and who is deputy. So I would think it correct that only cllrs can technically chose the leader. If someone leaves the group they have to likewise sign a form, or have a majority of the group sign a form saying that that person is no longer to be counted amongst their number.
Can we have a Thread!!!!0 -
It is where Labour are picking up support because of the perceptions people have about anti-Semitism and Labour.another_richard said:
Well I'll consider myself enlightened - current anti-semitism is all about the prejudices of Bufton Tuftons in the 1960s.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
Likewise there was the 'Jewish Eton' where Philip Green (and lots of reputable people) went to:Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them, and kicked out a couple of people on discovering that they were Jewish. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
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And Nigeria thought they lost it at the death
Needing just three runs to win off the final two overs, at 186-3, High Wycombe were easing to victory and the last 16 of the National Club Championship.
But a spectacular collapse ensued - all out for 187, losing seven wickets in 11 balls to opponents Peterborough Town.
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There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.0 -
FPT - I’m not sure there’s any ex-Conservative who chills my blood more than Neil Hamilton.0
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There were eight Jews there in 1940. So, that is an exaggeration. But, informally, several boarding schools sought to limit the number of Jewish pupils.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was shocked when an Old Etonian told me that not so long ago Eton pretty much barred Jews.Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
I think the Eton rule was that your father had to be British at/by birth, which impacted Jewish applicants.Sean_F said:
There were eight Jews there in 1940. So, that is an exaggeration. But, informally, several boarding schools sought to limit the number of Jewish pupils.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was shocked when an Old Etonian told me that not so long ago Eton pretty much barred Jews.Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
Perhaps we should compare where Labour made net gains in 2018 and where Labour made net losses in 2018.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is where Labour are picking up support because of the perceptions people have about anti-Semitism and Labour.another_richard said:
Well I'll consider myself enlightened - current anti-semitism is all about the prejudices of Bufton Tuftons in the 1960s.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
Vote Lucas!SquareRoot said:How was the religion ascertained?.. how were the Jedi affected by anti Semitism?
http://www.weirdworm.com/the-five-most-racist-star-wars-characters/
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Anglicans would surely argue that sheep need shepherds!Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
As a Non-Conformist, I am more sceptical about ordained ministry over lay ministry.
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60% of Anglicans voted Conservative in 2017. I doubt if that is true of the clergy.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.0 -
He's been better at PMQs, so he should definitely do that. And he shouldn't censor himself when saying it either. Bercow will adore the opportunity to linger on the moment and preen himself.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now now, order, now, I must ask the right honourable gentleman, order, who we all know to be an experienced and, order, valued member of this house, order, to refrain from such, order, unparliamentary language, order. I must, order, ask that, order, that he consider, order, instead asking if the secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth affairs, order, did in fact suggest the policy was to Eff business. Order0 -
I think most people are just sick of him, now.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Here's something I'd not noticed before - the new ward boundaries have allowed some Conservatives to get elected in south-east Birmingham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_election,_2018#/media/File:Birmingham_Election_Ward_2018.svg
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My late father-in-law had a similar experience. He was asked to join a golf club in Glasgow in the 1960's. On hearing informally that they did not accept Jewish members, he filled in his application form with the surname Goldberg. His explanation was that, if they were stupid enough to reject him due to a mistake on his form, then he wouldn't want to be a member. He never heard back from the club.Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them, and kicked out a couple of people on discovering that they were Jewish. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.0 -
Sean_F said:TheScreamingEagles said:Sean_F said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Vote Howard!another_richard said:
There were eight Jews there in 1940. So, that is an exaggeration. But, informally, several boarding schools sought to limit the number of Jewish pupils.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was shocked when an Old Etonian told me that not so long ago Eton pretty much barred Jews.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
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All the more so because the clip of him saying "F*** Business" can be edited so that he appropriates the slogan for his fans who agree with the sentiment but can't be used as an attack against him because he's just quoting Boris Johnson.kle4 said:
He's been better at PMQs, so he should definitely do that. And he shouldn't censor himself when saying it either. Bercow will adore the opportunity to linger on the moment and preen himself.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now now, order, now, I must ask the right honourable gentleman, order, who we all know to be an experienced and, order, valued member of this house, order, to refrain from such, order, unparliamentary language, order. I must, order, ask that, order, that he consider, order, instead asking if the secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth affairs, order, did in fact suggest the policy was to Eff business. Order0 -
That's right, the smaller wards were always going to help parties other than the dominant one in Birmingham to get a few more councillors elected, including the Greens and the LDs as well as the Tories.another_richard said:Here's something I'd not noticed before - the new ward boundaries have allowed some Conservatives to get elected in south-east Birmingham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_election,_2018#/media/File:Birmingham_Election_Ward_2018.svg0 -
He still retains appeal to some, clearly, and he's been written off before, but I genuinely think he has been on the scene too long, and his schtick is not as likely to find favour with the public as some think it will, as indeed maybe it would have some while ago.Sean_F said:
I think most people are just sick of him, now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now, maybe I have just been taken in by all the negative leaking against him, but the impression I get is he is at times competent at best, but generally is only concerned with his own position, shows no recognition of shared responsibility (even back when the Cabinet was showing more discipline than now) and relies on boorish charm to get past all his blunders.
That he (and Davis) seem to be constantly leaking about quitting (or at least how they are not happy, and that the PM must not do X or Y) then not doing so is just frustrating as well.0 -
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.0 -
Works on two levels then, perfect for him,williamglenn said:
All the more so because the clip of him saying "F*** Business" can be edited so that he appropriates the slogan for his fans who agree with the sentiment but can't be used as an attack against him because he's just quoting Boris Johnson.kle4 said:
He's been better at PMQs, so he should definitely do that. And he shouldn't censor himself when saying it either. Bercow will adore the opportunity to linger on the moment and preen himself.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now now, order, now, I must ask the right honourable gentleman, order, who we all know to be an experienced and, order, valued member of this house, order, to refrain from such, order, unparliamentary language, order. I must, order, ask that, order, that he consider, order, instead asking if the secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth affairs, order, did in fact suggest the policy was to Eff business. Order
He'd have some way to beat the most blatant use of unparliamentary language anyway
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I thought the biggest gap between Anglican congregations and the Anglican Ministry was that the former believed in God whilst the latter doesn't.0
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There was a UKIP Nottinghamshire county councillor in 2009 who was a Reverend:Sean_F said:
60% of Anglicans voted Conservative in 2017. I doubt if that is true of the clergy.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/dms/Councillors/tabid/63/ctl/ViewCMIS_Person/mid/383/id/48/Default.aspx
I assumed he was the Vicar of Hucknall.0 -
I have a suspicion he's been acting as May's human shield all this time and his posturing about Brexit has been purely designed to act as a lightning rod for any potential backbench rebellion. I think he knows perfectly well that Brexit is a lost cause and is playing his role in salvaging something from the mess.Sean_F said:I think most people are just sick of him, now.
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I thought the congregation did it for social reasons and the ministry for financial reasons.TheScreamingEagles said:I thought the biggest gap between Anglican congregations and the Anglican Ministry was that the former believed in God whilst the latter doesn't.
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The biggest flaw in that theory is that his ego would allow him to play the human shield for someone else. If that is what is happening, it is surely unintentional.williamglenn said:
I have a suspicion he's been acting as May's human shield all this time and his posturing about Brexit has been purely designed to act as a lightning rod for any potential backbench rebellion. I think he knows perfectly well that Brexit is a lost cause and is playing his role in salvaging something from the mess.Sean_F said:I think most people are just sick of him, now.
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Very interesting tables. I think we can now say the Jewish vote is solidly Tory, the Muslim vote is solidly Labour. The Christian vote leans Tory but only because of Anglicans and evangelicals, Catholics are more likely to be Labour and the Sikh, Hindu and Buddhist and atheist vote is slightly more Labour than average but still less Labour than the Muslim vote.0
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I think that is true of more traditional Anglicans, the Evangelical ministers often have thriving and younger congregations.AndyJS said:
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
Holy Trinity in Leicester averages 670. If you read how they do this, week in, week out, read the bit here. It will either sound great, or appalling depending on what you thought of the Minister at the Sussex's recent wedding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church,_Leicester
I have never enquired about politics there, but it is certainly not wishy washy liberalism.0 -
The average Anglican clergyman is moderate Labour or LD, whereas in the past being a vicar was amongst the highest status roles in a town or village (see Poldark) and vicars tended to be High Tory it is now basically a role similar to being a social worker with God attached.Sean_F said:
60% of Anglicans voted Conservative in 2017. I doubt if that is true of the clergy.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.0 -
Not for a hundred yearswhen society as a whole had very different viewsTheScreamingEagles said:
I was shocked when an Old Etonian told me that not so long ago Eton pretty much barred Jews.Sean_F said:
It was worse. The local golf club had no formal bar on Jews. it just didn't allow them. Though, I've also been told that at the time, there were a couple of Jewish dominated golf clubs that excluded gentiles.TheScreamingEagles said:
The clubs and members therein Mrs Thatcher protested against in her constituency that barred Jews?another_richard said:
Anti-semitic tropes like 'backstabber' ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I did.Cyclefree said:Didn’t the sainted TSE recently write a thread header suggesting that Labour’s perceived anti-semitism (whether accurate or not) might electorally benefit it in certain places?
Edited: Whatever the case the fact that we might now need to take account of religious voting patterns is not an improvement.
I said Labour was picking up the support of noted anti-Semites like Nick Griffin.
With a small section of Leavers repeating anti-Semitic tropes towards George Soros, there's a nasty edge from the referendum.
After all one wonders why Leave focussed on Turkey and not say Poles moving to the UK.
Poking the hornets' nest releases far too many angry hornets.
Now who used that against Ed Miliband ?
Lets stop pretending here you know full well in which demographic anti-Semitic tropes get a reception.
Moreover Eton is an organic community - children of OEs get extra points on their entry system so inevitably there is a bias to the status quo0 -
I'm guessing that congregation is fairly multicultural. In most white areas the Anglican church is in serious trouble.Foxy said:
I think that is true of more traditional Anglicans, the Evangelical ministers often have thriving and younger congregations.AndyJS said:
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
Holy Trinity in Leicester averages 670. If you read how they do this, week in, week out, read the bit here. It will either sound great, or appalling depending on what you thought of the Minister at the Sussex's recent wedding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church,_Leicester
I have never enquired about politics there, but it is certainly not wishy washy liberalism.0 -
Theresa's Tax Bombshell on Newsnight tonight...0
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Attendance at Anglican cathedrals though has been on the riseAndyJS said:
I'm guessing that congregation is fairly multicultural. In most white areas the Anglican church is in serious trouble.Foxy said:
I think that is true of more traditional Anglicans, the Evangelical ministers often have thriving and younger congregations.AndyJS said:
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
Holy Trinity in Leicester averages 670. If you read how they do this, week in, week out, read the bit here. It will either sound great, or appalling depending on what you thought of the Minister at the Sussex's recent wedding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church,_Leicester
I have never enquired about politics there, but it is certainly not wishy washy liberalism.
https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Cathedral-attendance-continues-to-increase0 -
No, it is mostly white. Young and studenty, and with all races present.AndyJS said:
I'm guessing that congregation is fairly multicultural. In most white areas the Anglican church is in serious trouble.Foxy said:
I think that is true of more traditional Anglicans, the Evangelical ministers often have thriving and younger congregations.AndyJS said:
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
Holy Trinity in Leicester averages 670. If you read how they do this, week in, week out, read the bit here. It will either sound great, or appalling depending on what you thought of the Minister at the Sussex's recent wedding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church,_Leicester
I have never enquired about politics there, but it is certainly not wishy washy liberalism.
Mostly Holy Trinity is unashamedly Christian and Evangelical. I have been to a number of social events there. The services are availible as podcasts should you fancy a bit.
This is a recent one on a Christian approach to mental health:
https://m.soundcloud.com/holytrinityleicester/mental-healthmp3
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In terms of the high 'other' vote amongst Christians, remember the 'Christian Peoples' Alliance' has had councillors in Newham before and stood candidates in the local elections.
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He looked in fine health to me, indeed his dance with the lucky lady was surely the world cups' #metoo moment.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think its because of the high Residents votes in Havering.HYUFD said:In terms of the high 'other' vote amongst Christians, remember the 'Christian Peoples' Alliance' has had councillors in Newham before and stood candidates in the local elections.
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Perhaps that too if they were not included under 'Independents'another_richard said:
I think its because of the high Residents votes in Havering.HYUFD said:In terms of the high 'other' vote amongst Christians, remember the 'Christian Peoples' Alliance' has had councillors in Newham before and stood candidates in the local elections.
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So more data to back up that the Tories are now the anti business party. Investment collapsing. https://mobile.twitter.com/peter_tl/status/10115313612645130240
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Haha. That just makes it worse, what a silly thing to be doing. Now she's gutless.williamglenn said:
Not quite the same thing but I recall a Nick CLegg speech where he was talking about how effective the LD Cabinet members were, saying they were five, or six if you included Ken Clarke. Clearly a prepared line, but for some reason his office did not include it in the text of the speech when it was uploaded.0 -
Or not:Recidivist said:So more data to back up that the Tories are now the anti business party. Investment collapsing. https://mobile.twitter.com/peter_tl/status/1011531361264513024
Perhaps you'd like to comment on some actual data instead of upon a tweet.another_richard said:This is the actual ONS data for business investment, at current prices, in the 'engineering and vehicles' manufacturing sector:
1997 £9.247bn
1998 £9.165bn
1999 £8.763bn
2000 £8.730bn
2001 £7.797bn
2002 £6.809bn
2003 £6.139bn
2004 £5.989bn
2005 £6.678bn
2006 £6.728bn
2007 £6.927bn
2008 £7.836bn
2009 £6.902bn
2010 £6.838bn
2011 £7.854bn
2012 £8.729bn
2013 £8.630bn
2014 £10.286bn
2015 £10.540bn
2016 £9.946bn
2017 £11.225bn
From page 4 of the spreadsheet on this link:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/datasets/businessinvestmentbyindustryandasset
For 2018Q1 it is £2.722bn, which is the highest Q1 figure on record.0 -
"all races" my arse. I looked at the photos and didn't see a single Polynesian or InuitFoxy said:
No, it is mostly white. Young and studenty, and with all races present.AndyJS said:
I'm guessing that congregation is fairly multicultural. In most white areas the Anglican church is in serious trouble.Foxy said:
I think that is true of more traditional Anglicans, the Evangelical ministers often have thriving and younger congregations.AndyJS said:
I'm sure there is. Anglicans tend to be Conservative voters but it's no secret that the Anglican clergy are very left-wing and have been for many decades. Perhaps that explains why Anglican congregations are in terminal decline with many churches having just a handful of elderly worshippers.Casino_Royale said:
There must be a massive political gap between Anglican congregations, and the Anglican ministry.Sean_F said:
Yes, that seems likely. But, the sample size for Christian wards is surely far too small to be meaningful.Philip_Thompson said:There are more Tory votes in Jewish wards or Labour votes in Muslim wards than Labour and Tory votes combined in Christian wards.
How are there so few Christian wards? Or so many Jewish/Muslim ones? What's the definition?
EDIT: Counting the wards I'm guessing its the 'top 30' of each religion which is not the same thing.
And, you'd have to break the Christian wards down by denomination to draw proper conclusions.
Anglicans are strongly Conservative, non-conformists slightly less so. Catholics break evenly between Conservative and Labour, but groups like Pentecostalists, and African-based evangelical churches, break heavily for Labour.
Holy Trinity in Leicester averages 670. If you read how they do this, week in, week out, read the bit here. It will either sound great, or appalling depending on what you thought of the Minister at the Sussex's recent wedding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church,_Leicester
I have never enquired about politics there, but it is certainly not wishy washy liberalism.
Mostly Holy Trinity is unashamedly Christian and Evangelical. I have been to a number of social events there. The services are availible as podcasts should you fancy a bit.
This is a recent one on a Christian approach to mental health:
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So, to summarise. We do not know what constitutes a Christian, Muslim or Jewish ward then.0
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And FPT: What is it about being a small state, classical liberal and free speech activist that calls for journalists to be shot by vigilantes?
Not one of Gladstone's priorities
Serious lack of the usual PB intellectual rigour on here tonight.
All very depressing0
