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Sounds like he needs a decent union!another_richard said:
Only reporting what I read in the Guardian:surby said:
Exploited ? An electrician will cost me £115 tomorrow.
' Dumitru Popescu, a 41-year old Romanian, is one of the thousands of migrant workers who make up half the labour force in London’s construction industry.
He had just finished a trial shift, working from 7.30am until 5.30pm without a break, demolishing a block of flats with hand tools because machine digging was prohibited. Compared with his previous job, this was good work and he wanted to keep it, so he was trying to calculate what he needed to pay the two Romanians who controlled employment on this site.
He said that giving a cut of your wages each week to supervisors as protection money was how the system worked. Newcomers were given the most back-breaking jobs; by paying his fellow Romanian overseers the right amount he would gradually move up the pecking order and stay safe on the same site. But how much that amount should be was not clear. He thought probably £50 a week but it was an anxious decision. Pay too little and you would be moved on and back to the bottom of the pile; too much and you would be subsidising them to stand around while you sweated, he explained.
Popescu (not his real name) has a contract with a large, high-profile recruitment agency which supplies thousands of workers for sites around Greater London. On paper, arrangements look fine and much better than queueing by the road in the places where contractors pick up day labour. He is paid £9.15 per hour – above the minimum wage – with deductions for tax and national insurance, but he said he did not really understand the deductions and thought they were too high, even before the protection money.
His first job on arrival in the UK had been as a casual worker in leading hotels where the hours were completely unpredictable, varying from 12 hours one day to four hours the next with no notice. He moved to construction, where the first company he worked for cheated him out of his pay so he cut his losses and moved on. He was taken on as a casual to work on a flat renovation but was never paid for most of his work, the owner claiming he had run into financial difficulties. With the agency he thinks he will be able to work seven days a week averaging 10 hours a day and so make ends meet. '
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/08/slaves-working-in-uk-construction-and-car-washes-report-finds
It also sounds as if weak British Labour laws allowing bogus self employment via contractors and zero hours contracts make such exploitation possible.
As it is already illegal, and Albanians and Vietnamese among the vulnerable to not be a FoM issue so much as Britain willing to allow a Wild West culture.0 -
Off-topic:
A friend has just nipped around for tea and biccies, and he's recounting a recent trip abroad. It's bad when you wake up in hospital and a surgeon asks you: "Did you leave the rest of your radius on the mountain?"
The perils of mountain biking ...0 -
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Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.0
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All 100,000 of them? It's certainly a crafty move to behave in a responsible and public spirited way calling for something in the national interest as a front for tax dodging and exploitation.brendan16 said:
The builders were probably employed by one of the remain voting well off white middle class liberals who attended yesterday's second referendum march. Yes they have loved all that cheap labour over the years courtesy of EU freedom of movement.another_richard said:
Only reporting what I read in the Guardian:surby said:
Exploited ? An electrician will cost me £115 tomorrow.
' Dumitru Popescu, a 41-year old Romanian, is one of the thousands of migrant workers who make up half the labour force in London’s construction industry.
He had just finished a trial shift, working from 7.30am until 5.30pm without a break, demolishing a block of flats with hand tools because machine digging was prohibited. Compared with his previous job, this was good work and he wanted to keep it, so he was trying to calculate what he needed to pay the two Romanians who controlled employment on this site.
He said that giving a cut of your wages each week to supervisors as protection money was how the system worked. Newcomers were given the most back-breaking jobs; by paying his fellow Romanian overseers the right amount he would gradually move up the pecking order and stay safe on the same site. But how much that amount should be was not clear. He thought probably £50 a week but it was an anxious decision. Pay too little and you would be moved on and back to the bottom of the pile; too much and you would be subsidising them to stand around while you sweated, he explained.
Popescu (not his real name) has a contract with a large, high-profile recruitment agency which supplies thousands of workers for sites around Greater London. On paper, arrangements look fine and much better than queueing by the road in the places where contractors pick up day labour. He is paid £9.15 per hour – above the minimum wage – with deductions for tax and national insurance, but he said he did not really understand the deductions and thought they were too high, even before the protection money.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/08/slaves-working-in-uk-construction-and-car-washes-report-finds
I am sure all this cash in hand no questions asked no VAT no Ni type of work makes it into the ONS official statistics!0 -
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
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Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
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Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
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Before the Common Era = Before Christ.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
It's just political correctness gorn mad!0 -
As far as I'm concerned, using BCE/CE in place of BC/AD grates.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?0 -
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.0 -
How I enjoy both Bowie and Depeche Mode:JonnyJimmy said:How I enjoy Radiohead..
https://youtu.be/tcNuPheBQgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6yzrZfgQvI0 -
Lol. I love how intemperate you are about Zac Goldsmith, given how excruciatingly polite you are about everything else.rcs1000 said:
If he feels like that, he should definitely resign his seat and fight a totally ridiculous byelection.Barnesian said:
"Tory MP Zac Goldsmith has accused the Government and Heathrow Airport of having a relationship that “borders on the corrupt”. He said the closeness of the interaction between the airport and Whitehall was “rotten”"JosiasJessop said:
That's not the most professional infographic I've ever seen...Barnesian said:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfv7KKjXkAEq5wK.png:largeJosiasJessop said:
You detest political shenanigans, yet you wrote to SNP MPs - who are about as far away from Heathrow/Gatwick as it is possible to get - to kybosh it? LOL.Barnesian said:No. I am not invested in Gatwick or shorting Ferrovial, the foreign owners of Heathrow Airport. I am a user of both airports.
With a background in operational research, I am interested in sound economic decision making and I detest political shenanigans.
Besides, as the Davies commission says, the economic benefits of Gatwick expansion are considerably smaller.
SNP MPs who are about as far away from Heathrow/Gatwick as it is possible to get will have the same vote as London MPs. They have been offered a sweetener by Heathrow Airports Ltd of a £1.5m investment in a marketing campaign to promote Scotland.
But you avoid my point: you claim to detest political shenanigans, whilst performing them yourself ...
http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2016/11/zac-too-close-relationship-between-heathrow-government-borders-on-corrupt-recent-examples/
This is what I mean by political shenanigans. Not private citizens lobbying MPs.
Again.
Cock.0 -
It's the first sign of.............Casino_Royale said:
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.0 -
I have no idea either, but I am oddly comforted by it. Please continue, @another_richardCasino_Royale said:
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.0 -
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.0 -
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.0 -
Personally, I find it very hard to get worked up about. BCE/CE is more consistent, although BC/AD somewhat accurately describes the reason for the chosen epoch.Sean_F said:
As far as I'm concerned, using BCE/CE in place of BC/AD grates.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
Linguistically, I've never really liked the fact that Before Christ is in English, whilst Anno Domini is in Latin - as a child it seemed stupidly inconsistent.0 -
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
Maybe but you are not dealing with it in a professional capacity and you have no need to consider the valid sensibilities of your colleagues. Contrary to what some people seem to think this is not about PC. It is about common courtesy and consideration for other people who we value. Since It costs us absolutely nothing it seems perfectly reasonable to use the terms.Sean_F said:
As far as I'm concerned, using BCE/CE in place of BC/AD grates.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?0 -
LOL. If that really bothers you then you will love the difference between BC, bc, BP and bp. In archaeology they all mean different things.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Before the Common Era = Before Christ.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
It's just political correctness gorn mad!0 -
It began at the time of peak hysteria that Strawberries would be left rotting in the fields because of pre-Brexit impacts, and thus presumably none would make it to the shops.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.
For all I know there are plenty rotting in the fields, but it sounds like the stores are still bursting with the horrible things.0 -
Archaeology is one of the most unscientific "sciences" under the sun!Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. If that really bothers you then you will love the difference between BC, bc, BP and bp. In archaeology they all mean different things.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Before the Common Era = Before Christ.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
It's just political correctness gorn mad!0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
Maybe but you are not dealing with it in a professional capacity and you have no need to consider the valid sensibilities of your colleagues. Contrary to what some people seem to think this is not about PC. It is about common courtesy and consideration for other people who we value. Since It costs us absolutely nothing it seems perfectly reasonable to use the terms.Sean_F said:
As far as I'm concerned, using BCE/CE in place of BC/AD grates.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
Before the Common Era = Before Christ.
It's just political correctness gorn mad!0 -
Doesn't Turkey "aspire" to EU membership?JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
Erdogan, the safe choice. Continuity.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...
Remain, the safe choice. Continuity.0 -
The Williamson outburst has me wondering who leaked his comments about TM, was it a service chief? I reckon he is looking at an early move from MOD - no idea where he ends up though, does any Ministry want a former fireplace salesman to head them up in cabinet?0
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Perhaps he is planning his own innovative jam?surby said:
It's the first sign of.............Casino_Royale said:
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.
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A xenophobic liar might suggest such a thing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doesn't Turkey "aspire" to EU membership?JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
Erodogan, 46 chromosomesMaxPB said:
Erdogan, the safe choice. Continuity.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...
Remain, the safe choice. Continuity.
Remain, 46 chromosomes!
Coincidence? I think not! Suddenly it all makes sense!0 -
In about 18 months millions of British voters will also be aspiring to EU membership, we are certainly going to be joining an interesting club.Ishmael_Z said:
A xenophobic liar might suggest such a thing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doesn't Turkey "aspire" to EU membership?JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
It has never claimed to be a science. It uses scientific disciplines as part of its processes but unless you are doing archaeological.conservation or geophysics It is not classed as a science when it comes to degrees.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Archaeology is one of the most unscientific "sciences" under the sun!Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. If that really bothers you then you will love the difference between BC, bc, BP and bp. In archaeology they all mean different things.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Before the Common Era = Before Christ.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
It's just political correctness gorn mad!
But all those acronyms I used come from the scientific discipline of radiometric dating.0 -
I'm afraid Leavers thought the safe choice was Brexit, so Erdogan = Brexit.MaxPB said:
Erdogan, the safe choice. Continuity.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...
Remain, the safe choice. Continuity.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/10101800939631288320 -
I'm an atheist who doesn't like Christian references where they're not necessary but I find it a load of codswallop. Its just a rebranding exercise for the same thing and I don't think it shows any courtesy rather it is pandering to pretend to be courteous.Richard_Tyndall said:
Maybe but you are not dealing with it in a professional capacity and you have no need to consider the valid sensibilities of your colleagues. Contrary to what some people seem to think this is not about PC. It is about common courtesy and consideration for other people who we value. Since It costs us absolutely nothing it seems perfectly reasonable to use the terms.Sean_F said:
As far as I'm concerned, using BCE/CE in place of BC/AD grates.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well as someone who actually uses these terms in day to day life professionally and in conversation with real people in real countries for whom it does matter - and whom I consider friends who I would not randomly choose to annoy - I would just like to point out that your response shows you are being more than petty, you are in fact being a complete fuckwit about it.kle4 said:Yes it is petty, but that's my point - they are still referencing the Christian religion specifically even if they say BCE rather than BC, since they are the same.
And one, are people not allowed to have pet peeves anymore? I had no idea you were the arbiter of what people are allowed to find mildly irritating - not every complaint about something means it is considered to a major issue by the complainant, and only an idiot would think that.
And for two I've used both references, thank you, so you can save the patronising sanctimony for where it is warranted - what I object to is the pretence it is some noble change for the sake of sensitivity as you have just done. It's not, it is a petty little change which doesn't really change anything. I find changing things without really changing things to be mildly irriating.
Key word there was mild. Certainly people getting uppity and holier than thou about others having a pet peeve is far more irritating. Why don't you get self rightously annoyed that I praised the building policies of Qin Shi Huang while you are at it. The man was an extreme tyrant, how dare I suggest he'd make a good builder to follow the example of? And to dare be peeved by historical referencing, in defence of christian dogma no doubt despite being an atheist, how dare I?
Its like I have nothing against either Christmas or Xmas but those who insist Xmas must be used to avoid offending non-Christians are talking out their arse. People have bigger worries than the name Christmas or term AD.
I think people are more offended by having their own beliefs belittled or insulted, not by using terms like AD.0 -
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/743095912315146240williamglenn said:
I'm afraid Leavers thought the safe choice was Brexit, so Erdogan = Brexit.MaxPB said:
Erdogan, the safe choice. Continuity.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...
Remain, the safe choice. Continuity.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/10101800939631288320 -
Given that the use of the Common Era term started in the 17th or 18th century I suspect your claims are a little ill founded.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm an atheist who doesn't like Christian references where they're not necessary but I find it a load of codswallop. Its just a rebranding exercise for the same thing and I don't think it shows any courtesy rather it is pandering to pretend to be courteous.
Its like I have nothing against either Christmas or Xmas but those who insist Xmas must be used to avoid offending non-Christians are talking out their arse. People have bigger worries than the name Christmas or term AD.
I think people are more offended by having their own beliefs belittled or insulted, not by using terms like AD.
And how many Syrian, Lebanese or Turkish archaeologists have you ever dealt with in your life? Certainly not enough to know their views on such.matters.0 -
I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps the italexit campaign will be marred by racist posters showing queues of rosbifs at the Calais border.swing_voter said:
In about 18 months millions of British voters will also be aspiring to EU membership, we are certainly going to be joining an interesting club.Ishmael_Z said:
A xenophobic liar might suggest such a thing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doesn't Turkey "aspire" to EU membership?JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
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On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/0 -
Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
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Have I let my feelings about Zac show?Casino_Royale said:
Lol. I love how intemperate you are about Zac Goldsmith, given how excruciatingly polite you are about everything else.rcs1000 said:
If he feels like that, he should definitely resign his seat and fight a totally ridiculous byelection.Barnesian said:
"Tory MP Zac Goldsmith has accused the Government and Heathrow Airport of having a relationship that “borders on the corrupt”. He said the closeness of the interaction between the airport and Whitehall was “rotten”"JosiasJessop said:
That's not the most professional infographic I've ever seen...Barnesian said:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfv7KKjXkAEq5wK.png:largeJosiasJessop said:
You detest political shenanigans, yet you wrote to SNP MPs - who are about as far away from Heathrow/Gatwick as it is possible to get - to kybosh it? LOL.Barnesian said:No. I am not invested in Gatwick or shorting Ferrovial, the foreign owners of Heathrow Airport. I am a user of both airports.
With a background in operational research, I am interested in sound economic decision making and I detest political shenanigans.
Besides, as the Davies commission says, the economic benefits of Gatwick expansion are considerably smaller.
SNP MPs who are about as far away from Heathrow/Gatwick as it is possible to get will have the same vote as London MPs. They have been offered a sweetener by Heathrow Airports Ltd of a £1.5m investment in a marketing campaign to promote Scotland.
But you avoid my point: you claim to detest political shenanigans, whilst performing them yourself ...
http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2016/11/zac-too-close-relationship-between-heathrow-government-borders-on-corrupt-recent-examples/
This is what I mean by political shenanigans. Not private citizens lobbying MPs.
Again.
Cock.0 -
Over 17,000,000 million PEOPLE actually VOTED to leave in 2016.williamglenn said:Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition0 -
I would have thought there are plenty of secular-minded people in all three countries. Like I said before, BCE is just the same as BC.Richard_Tyndall said:
Given that the use of the Common Era term started in the 17th or 18th century I suspect your claims are a little ill founded.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm an atheist who doesn't like Christian references where they're not necessary but I find it a load of codswallop. Its just a rebranding exercise for the same thing and I don't think it shows any courtesy rather it is pandering to pretend to be courteous.
Its like I have nothing against either Christmas or Xmas but those who insist Xmas must be used to avoid offending non-Christians are talking out their arse. People have bigger worries than the name Christmas or term AD.
I think people are more offended by having their own beliefs belittled or insulted, not by using terms like AD.
And how many Syrian, Lebanese or Turkish archaeologists have you ever dealt with in your life? Certainly not enough to know their views on such.matters.0 -
This voting lark seems to be popular. I wonder how many of them will vote Leave again?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Over 17,000,000 million PEOPLE actually VOTED to leave in 2016.williamglenn said:Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition0 -
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/williamglenn said:
This voting lark seems to be popular. I wonder how many of them will vote Leave again?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Over 17,000,000 million PEOPLE actually VOTED to leave in 2016.williamglenn said:Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition0 -
None since there won't be another referendum.williamglenn said:
This voting lark seems to be popular. I wonder how many of them will vote Leave again?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Over 17,000,000 million PEOPLE actually VOTED to leave in 2016.williamglenn said:Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition
How many times now have 100k people signed a petition to have another referendum? It was done already within days of the original referendum. Your petition is utterly moot.0 -
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.0 -
On Topic... The Fireplace Salesman wouldn't know want to do with the 20bn even if he got it, which is unlikely as the tories are the party of defence cuts.
The 20bn balls is just posturing for the tory base. Perhaps he anticipates an imminent leadership election.
If you look at what he's doing instead of what he's saying that paints a different picture. He's just decided to sell one of the Wave class tankers to Brazil. Under the careful stewardship of the Conservatives the RFA tanker fleet has gone from 11 vessels (2 x Wave, 3 x Rover, 4 x Leaf, 2 x Fort) to 6 with only two available at any one time. This signals a complete retreat from the RN doctrine of continuous global blue water operations that has been in place since the mid 18th C. The RN is quietly pivoting to the model favoured by the French navy which means a lot more time alongside and specific expeditionary deployments rather than continual at sea presence.
You will know them by their fruits as it says in the bible. The Fireplace Salesman's bitter harvest is at considerable variance with his declamations about being a "tier one" military power.0 -
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.0 -
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.0 -
Indeed. If the Californians or anyone else make decent Cornish Pasties or a good Stilton why shouldn't we able to buy them? If people want to buy British then they can do so. If a Cornish producer of Cornish Pasties wants to advertise themselves as authentic let them do so.viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
This is nothing other than petty protectionism and has nothing to do with "protecting the consumer".
Personally I love an Australian Shiraz. That wine is not the same as the old Shiraz produced in Persia/Iran although it shares the name, nor does it taste the same as French Shiraz. I know what I'm getting when I make my choice and can make an educated decision without having it forced into a protectionist box.0 -
I doubt the supermarkets would even be interested in stocking them, they stick a union jack on everything they can. But if they're better quality or cheaper as far as the consumer is concerned why should we turn our nose up at the choice?RobD said:
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
Petty bureaucrats shouldn't decide what goes into my shopping basket - I should.0 -
Syrah/Shiraz refers to a grape varietal, not a place of origin.Philip_Thompson said:Personally I love an Australian Shiraz. That wine is not the same as the old Shiraz produced in Persia/Iran although it shares the name, nor does it taste the same as French Shiraz. I know what I'm getting when I make my choice and can make an educated decision without having it forced into a protectionist box.
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That was my point. Shiraz is also a place of origin, pre-Islamic Revolution there were hundreds of wine growers in Shiraz though there are none there now. I don't think granting Iran a PDO for the name Shiraz would be a positive development.williamglenn said:
Syrah/Shiraz refers to a grape varietal, not a place of origin.Philip_Thompson said:Personally I love an Australian Shiraz. That wine is not the same as the old Shiraz produced in Persia/Iran although it shares the name, nor does it taste the same as French Shiraz. I know what I'm getting when I make my choice and can make an educated decision without having it forced into a protectionist box.
So too many PDO's refer to something that could be made anywhere if using the right ingredients like the grape but get restricted to a place of origin instead. Ironically for the case of Stilton that actually excludes Stilton. An authentic Stilton cheese made in Stilton can not be marketed as Stilton due to PDO regulations.
Scrap it all and just have clear place of origin labelling instead. Let the consumer decide.0 -
When it gets to 18m, we'll talk......williamglenn said:Over 100,000 people have signed the People's Vote petition since it was launched yesterday.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition0 -
Technically they only decide how its labeled, not whether it goes in. You can buy Californian sparkling wine (or English sparkling wine), and it can be labelled Method Champagnois. But it can't be called Champagne.Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt the supermarkets would even be interested in stocking them, they stick a union jack on everything they can. But if they're better quality or cheaper as far as the consumer is concerned why should we turn our nose up at the choice?RobD said:
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
Petty bureaucrats shouldn't decide what goes into my shopping basket - I should.
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Which is not to protect the consumer it is pure protectionism for the producer. It is a non-tariff barrier.rcs1000 said:
Technically they only decide how its labeled, not whether it goes in. You can buy Californian sparkling wine (or English sparkling wine), and it can be labelled Method Champagnois. But it can't be called Champagne.Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt the supermarkets would even be interested in stocking them, they stick a union jack on everything they can. But if they're better quality or cheaper as far as the consumer is concerned why should we turn our nose up at the choice?RobD said:
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
Petty bureaucrats shouldn't decide what goes into my shopping basket - I should.0 -
Well, would you count a requirement that foods that contain GM ingredients are labeled as such? Or a requirement that if something is to be labeled "organic" then it has to abide by certain rules?Philip_Thompson said:
Which is not to protect the consumer it is pure protectionism for the producer. It is a non-tariff barrier.rcs1000 said:
Technically they only decide how its labeled, not whether it goes in. You can buy Californian sparkling wine (or English sparkling wine), and it can be labelled Method Champagnois. But it can't be called Champagne.Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt the supermarkets would even be interested in stocking them, they stick a union jack on everything they can. But if they're better quality or cheaper as far as the consumer is concerned why should we turn our nose up at the choice?RobD said:
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
Petty bureaucrats shouldn't decide what goes into my shopping basket - I should.
In the general scheme of things, I have no particular issue with some names denoting place of manufacture.0 -
I have no problem with being required to list ingredients or being required to label where your product comes from. Wine says on the bottle where it is from.rcs1000 said:
Well, would you count a requirement that foods that contain GM ingredients are labeled as such? Or a requirement that if something is to be labeled "organic" then it has to abide by certain rules?Philip_Thompson said:
Which is not to protect the consumer it is pure protectionism for the producer. It is a non-tariff barrier.rcs1000 said:
Technically they only decide how its labeled, not whether it goes in. You can buy Californian sparkling wine (or English sparkling wine), and it can be labelled Method Champagnois. But it can't be called Champagne.Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt the supermarkets would even be interested in stocking them, they stick a union jack on everything they can. But if they're better quality or cheaper as far as the consumer is concerned why should we turn our nose up at the choice?RobD said:
You think they'd sell well?viewcode said:
Californian Cheddar? Californian Cornish Pastie? Californian Stilton? Californian Scotch?Philip_Thompson said:
So what?williamglenn said:
On a similar subject, we're being told if we want a US trade deal, we need to drop protections for geographic indicators so that the US can sell their imitations.Foxy said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/24/exclusive-brexit-trade-deal-us-risk-britain-keeps-eu-protections/
If a Feta Cheese has a label on it saying "Made in America" then what harm is there to that? Let the customer decide.
If they want Californian Champagne, it will be clearly labelled, let the customer decide.
Petty bureaucrats shouldn't decide what goes into my shopping basket - I should.
In the general scheme of things, I have no particular issue with some names denoting place of manufacture.
If someone was buying a bottle of Australian Penfolds Grange Hermitage (a collectible that now can fetch $50,000 a bottle for its original vintage) do you think they were ignorant of where it was coming from? In big text printed on the bottle it says South Australia. But now it can't be called Hermitage anymore.0 -
Under Erdogan it's heading the other way. Another sign that Erdogan=leave, if we are to be so utterly brain-dead stupid as to make such comparisons.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doesn't Turkey "aspire" to EU membership?JosiasJessop said:
LOL. No.MaxPB said:
A vote for Erdogan, a vote for stability. A vote for remain, a vote for stability. Erdogan = remain.JosiasJessop said:
That's rubbish.MaxPB said:
Not really, a vote for Erdogan is a vote for the same old shit (remain), a vote for the opposition was a vote for change (leave). If this is legitimate then Turkey has voted to cling to their nurse just like the remainers.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, if anything it's the opposite ...MaxPB said:Sad day for Turkey. A lot of parallels between Erdogan supporters and Remainers.
Yes, I get you hate Erdogan - I'm not exactly a fan myself. And yes, I know you hate Remainers. But two things you hate do not need to have parallels, and the ones you mention above are just ridiculous.
I could easily construct a case that Erdogan=leave, based on his foreign policy and rampant nationalism ...0 -
We've been repeatedly told that the crops are rotting in the fields through a lack of workers.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not sure what your daily Tesco strawberry updates are all about?another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a strong nine:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambrdigeshire
Kent
The important change being the absence of Herefordshire which leaves Kent as the only county to feature continuously.
Herefordshire makes partial amends by joining Kent in being a source of cherries.
When I provided ONS data to show that wasn't true I was told it was anecdotes which were important.
I am thus providing easily understood information as to where strawberries are being harvested.0 -
Thanks for the insight @Dura_Ace . The site would be a lot poorer without it when it comes to defence matters.Dura_Ace said:On Topic... The Fireplace Salesman wouldn't know want to do with the 20bn even if he got it, which is unlikely as the tories are the party of defence cuts.
The 20bn balls is just posturing for the tory base. Perhaps he anticipates an imminent leadership election.
If you look at what he's doing instead of what he's saying that paints a different picture. He's just decided to sell one of the Wave class tankers to Brazil. Under the careful stewardship of the Conservatives the RFA tanker fleet has gone from 11 vessels (2 x Wave, 3 x Rover, 4 x Leaf, 2 x Fort) to 6 with only two available at any one time. This signals a complete retreat from the RN doctrine of continuous global blue water operations that has been in place since the mid 18th C. The RN is quietly pivoting to the model favoured by the French navy which means a lot more time alongside and specific expeditionary deployments rather than continual at sea presence.
You will know them by their fruits as it says in the bible. The Fireplace Salesman's bitter harvest is at considerable variance with his declamations about being a "tier one" military power.
Clearly significant cuts have been made since 2010. Is this necessarily a bad choice? We aren’t going to fight the Falklands War again, so do we really need the ability to deploy continuously in the way you describe?0
