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WATCH: SNP leader @IanBlackfordMP gets thrown out of the Commons and his MPs follow pic.twitter.com/1sgWkJOCsH
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Their outrage was literally scripted!0
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Any markets on Qatar not hosting the 2022 World Cup?0
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It is the final tweet that makes this thread so brilliant.0
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She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.0 -
Only Ian Blackford has been expelled for today.Richard_Nabavi said:
They probably don't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose them. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
The rest of the SNP delegation can still vote today.0 -
Of course it's staged. The SNP do have a serious point here though.0
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Yes, but will they?TheScreamingEagles said:
Only Ian Blackford has been expelled for today.Richard_Nabavi said:
They probably don't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose them. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
The rest of the SNP delegation can still vote today.0 -
Have the SNP effectively Sinn Feined themselves on today's crucial votes. If so what a coup for the Gov't !0
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But will they >TheScreamingEagles said:
Only Ian Blackford has been expelled for today.Richard_Nabavi said:
They probably don't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose them. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
The rest of the SNP delegation can still vote today.0 -
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
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Sadly not that I can find, and have been looking for a while. Qatar is in real trouble to get ready, a lot of which can’t be resolved by throwing money at the problem.Morris_Dancer said:Any markets on Qatar not hosting the 2022 World Cup?
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#SNPgammon0
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Why were the SNP pulling this stunt?0
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Actually the SNP might be talking shite about the Sewel convention.
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624383237083136?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624784459948032?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006625295514861568?s=21
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The longer clip showing what caused the walkout...
https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/15fae288-ed33-4091-8e4a-8b213f9fd861?in=12:25:04
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If the whole SNP delegation look like taking the day off, I wonder what ancient Parliamentary processes could be used by the Conservative ERG members to advance their cause..?0
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An England fan has told police he was robbed and attacked by five local men in Moscow on Monday.
It follows claims a French gay man and a companion suffered serious injuries on Saturday after being beaten by two men who gave them a lift in St Petersburg.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5839293/England-fan-robbed-beaten-Moscow-gay-French-fan-left-disabled-homophobic-attack.html0 -
@RuthDavidsonMSP: Definitely not pre-planned.... https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/10068563345270374410
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Just when you think political events can't get any stranger, we have a key opposition bloc absenting itself from the chamber on what seems to be a misguided premise, and in so doing, missing a critical opportunity to give the government a bloody nose.
I think for each parliamentary session in future we will need a "Previously in the House of Commons..." prologue.0 -
Same reason Skinner does - to get on the TV.FrancisUrquhart said:Why were the SNP pulling this stunt?
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Grievance harvesting, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:Why were the SNP pulling this stunt?
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Australia doing their best to convert this day/night match into a mid-afternoon match.0
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Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Any thoughts on more serious implications for Qatar of the blockade?0
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BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?
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No public, no press.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?0 -
Are there any grown ups left in the Palace of Westminster?MaxPB said:
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
The place is in danger of looking utterly out of control and ungovernable/unmanagble.0 -
No TV, no Hansard.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?0 -
JohnO said:
No public, no press.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?RobD said:
No TV, no Hansard.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?
So what's the point of asking for that here?
(Other than to just be annoying).
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Mr. Pulpstar, whilst not remotely my sort of game, throwing down $100m right off the bat as prize money is pretty impressive.0
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It is both you and that halfwitted creature that are spouting the shite.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually the SNP might be talking shite about the Sewel convention.
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624383237083136?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624784459948032?s=21
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malcolmg said:
It is both you and that halfwitted creature that are spouting the shite.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually the SNP might be talking shite about the Sewel convention.
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624383237083136?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624784459948032?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006625295514861568?s=21
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Looks like the SNP haven't Sinn Feined themselves from the EU votes.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10068920778026106890 -
He’s a lawyer and academic.malcolmg said:
It is both you and that halfwitted creature that are spouting the shite.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually the SNP might be talking shite about the Sewel convention.
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624383237083136?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624784459948032?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006625295514861568?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006625973792624640?s=21
What’s your qualifications to critique his analysis?0 -
A Commons division to approve it would have been necessary. It would of course have been defeated and normal service resumed.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?
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Another angle that might see Qatar in trouble, is if there’s a significant number of homophobic incidents in Russia. I imagine that the same sort of gay activists behind the cake prosecution in the UK might openly try and get arrested at the forthcoming World Cup, with the intention of targeting FIFA for not keeping them safe.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Any thoughts on more serious implications for Qatar of the blockade?
The broader issues in Qatar are that their neighbours hate them, and their neighbours control the regional construction industry and supply of materials. Their local Qatari companies cannot attract either experienced Western managers, nor unskilled labour from Asia for a variety of reasons. Right now there’s a stadium and a half built, and a lot of empty building sites. Even if everything they planned gets built, they were relying heavily on their neighbours to handle a lot of the logistics and accommodation around the tournament itself. It could be that plane loads of England fans go from the airport, to the stadium, back to the airport for a 7 hour flight without spending a penny in Qatar. It’s a 7 hour flight.0 -
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Pah, they can't even stage a walkout properly, the wee timorous beasties.williamglenn said:Looks like the SNP haven't Sinn Feined themselves from the EU votes.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10068920778026106890 -
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Mr. P, to be fair, wetting oneself is a better outcome than being mauled to death.
Mr. Sandpit, cheers. I do wonder if that situation will come to a head at some point.0 -
Sure I was only 7 at the time, but I can only pick out Robin Cook, which is nearly as embarrassing as peeing myself to repel a bear.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/S_Politics/status/1006887072706301953
how many can we name?0 -
IIRC it’s an archaic procedure where you cry “I spy strangers” and the gallery has to be cleared so that the House can vote in secret on whether to readmit the spectators. Not sure if it still works exactly like that but was used quite a bit as a deliberate spoiling/delaying tactic on private members’ bill days by David Maclean, Eric Forth and other backbenchers when Blair was PM. Basically a more entertaining form of filibuster.sarissa said:
A Commons division to approve it would have been necessary. It would of course have been defeated and normal service resumed.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?0 -
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Two things. Once the bear has gone there's only your word that wetting yourself was an anti-bear strategy. And surely there are better ways to protect yourself from a bear?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, to be fair, wetting oneself is a better outcome than being mauled to death.
Mr. Sandpit, cheers. I do wonder if that situation will come to a head at some point.0 -
That's a good question.MarkHopkins said:JohnO said:
No public, no press.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?RobD said:
No TV, no Hansard.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?
So what's the point of asking for that here?
(Other than to just be annoying).0 -
Is that George Robertson towards the back?Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/S_Politics/status/1006887072706301953
how many can we name?0 -
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:0 -
Interesting that you can hear Bercow say (in response presumably to his advisors sitting in front of him - who they btw?) "we'll have to have the vote".sarissa said:
A Commons division to approve it would have been necessary. It would of course have been defeated and normal service resumed.MarkHopkins said:
BTW what does asking for the House to sit in private actually mean?0 -
yes, I think so.Stark_Dawning said:Is that George Robertson towards the back?
Donald Dewar
John Smith
Robin Cook
Alistair Darling
Gordon Brown
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Also, we only hear from those for whom it worked: no scope to report back on failed self-protection wetting.OblitusSumMe said:
Two things. Once the bear has gone there's only your word that wetting yourself was an anti-bear strategy. And surely there are better ways to protect yourself from a bear?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, to be fair, wetting oneself is a better outcome than being mauled to death.
Mr. Sandpit, cheers. I do wonder if that situation will come to a head at some point.0 -
Alastair Darling, top-left, I think, with a beard? (Though he looks photoshopped).OblitusSumMe said:
Sure I was only 7 at the time, but I can only pick out Robin Cook, which is nearly as embarrassing as peeing myself to repel a bear.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/S_Politics/status/1006887072706301953
how many can we name?
John Smith, dead centre too.
So that'd have been four without prompting, with Dewar. (I'd wouldn't have got Robertson without prompting and Brown is too well hidden).0 -
A group photo of Conservative prime ministers felled by Europe?Scott_P said:0 -
Where is John Reid?Scott_P said:
yes, I think so.Stark_Dawning said:Is that George Robertson towards the back?
Donald Dewar
John Smith
Robin Cook
Alistair Darling
Gordon Brown
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Is he standing just in front of John Smith, with hair?Verulamius said:Where is John Reid?
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Mr. Me, you should stand still and if it approaches, raise your hand so it can see your palm. If it doesn't wander off, raise your other palm. If it still seems aggressive, kick the person next to you in the groin and run away. With luck, the bear will be too busy eating your companion to chase you.
If you have no companion, and the bear's aggressive, you're screwed unless you have a high powered rifle. They can run faster than a horse, swim, climb trees, have a better sense of smell than a dog, and even have impressive dexterity. And they're immensely strong.
Bears are very impressive animals, but not one with which you want to fight.0 -
You'd need the ghosts of Thatcher and, perhaps, Macmillan too.DecrepitJohnL said:
A group photo of Conservative prime ministers felled by Europe?Scott_P said:0 -
Neville Chamberlain too.david_herdson said:
You'd need the ghosts of Thatcher and, perhaps, Macmillan too.DecrepitJohnL said:
A group photo of Conservative prime ministers felled by Europe?Scott_P said:0 -
Worrying the PM called Major round,isn't he in the total remain in camp.Scott_P said:0 -
Advice on writing a resignation speech?Scott_P said:0 -
Apparently it was a fund raising photo op. Not Brexit relatedTykejohnno said:Worrying the PM called Major round,isn't he in the total remain camp.
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Childish. Tee hee.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Sheridan/status/10068807065497640960 -
So which is it, is Westminster legislating without Holyrood's consent or are they not?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually the SNP might be talking shite about the Sewel convention.
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624383237083136?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006624784459948032?s=21
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/1006625295514861568?s=21
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Trying to scare up some of the £39bn exit bill?Scott_P said:
Apparently it was a fund raising photo op. Not Brexit relatedTykejohnno said:Worrying the PM called Major round,isn't he in the total remain camp.
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A cousin had to learn to use a rifle as she does fieldwork in remote parts of Alaska. I don't think she's had to shoot a bear yet, though.Morris_Dancer said:If you have no companion, and the bear's aggressive, you're screwed unless you have a high powered rifle.
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I did think about adding him but thought I'd then be opening up a can of 19th century worms as well and I don't know enough about, say, the 1880 election to remember how much of an issue Europe was (was that Midlothian or was Gladstone going on about Bulgarians, or both? etc)DecrepitJohnL said:
Neville Chamberlain too.david_herdson said:
You'd need the ghosts of Thatcher and, perhaps, Macmillan too.DecrepitJohnL said:
A group photo of Conservative prime ministers felled by Europe?Scott_P said:0 -
WIll Anna Soubry ever suck it up and move on? She did of course get elected on a Tory manifesto that stated we would leave the single market and customs union. There is no reference to either the single market of the customs union in the GFA as far as I am aware?Richard_Tyndall said:
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:
Maybe it's time she forced a by election so the people of Broxtowe can have a people's vote?!0 -
I'll give you Dalyell of the West Lothian question at bottom right as we look.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/S_Politics/status/1006887072706301953
how many can we name?
Is Reid grey haired and bespectacled between Smith and Darling?0 -
Individual MPs can be elected on their own pledges, which may differ from national ones.brendan16 said:
WIll Anna Soubry ever suck it up and move on? She did of course get elected on a Tory manifesto that stated we would leave the single market and customs union.Richard_Tyndall said:
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:
Maybe it's time she forced a by election so the people of Broxtowe can have a people's vote?!
In any case, the ballot question was Leave or Remain in the EU, not in the customs union.0 -
Mr. Me, hopefully she'll never find herself in that situation.0
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Leave campaigned heavily on the Customs Union. It was in all the literature I delivered and in social media. Leave.EU also campaigned on it, in their own special way. It’s certainly a big reason I voted Leave, and it was the basis on which all Conservative MPs were elected last year.david_herdson said:
Individual MPs can be elected on their own pledges, which may differ from national ones.brendan16 said:
WIll Anna Soubry ever suck it up and move on? She did of course get elected on a Tory manifesto that stated we would leave the single market and customs union.Richard_Tyndall said:
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:
Maybe it's time she forced a by election so the people of Broxtowe can have a people's vote?!
In any case, the ballot question was Leave or Remain in the EU, not in the customs union.
That’s different to people remembering the principal reason why they cast their Leave vote of course, which came down to sovereignty (which includes ability to make trade deals), immigration control or more money for the NHS.
My ears perk up whenever I read “it wasn’t on the ballot paper” because it’s usually an attempt at exploiting the fact voters only recall the reasoning for their vote at a high-level in order to interpret the mandate in a way that suits the author.0 -
I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?0
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“How do I deal with Bastards, old and new?”Tykejohnno said:
Worrying the PM called Major round,isn't he in the total remain in camp.Scott_P said:0 -
While exciting, it was only a couple of minutes before they were ejected.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
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Very good Mr Royale ;-)Casino_Royale said:
“How do I deal with Bastards, old and new?”Tykejohnno said:
Worrying the PM called Major round,isn't he in the total remain in camp.Scott_P said:0 -
It’s the hung parliament that gives the Europhile Tory rebels the most power.MaxPB said:
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
It May had got a majority of 40, 15-20 rebels on the EU side could have more or less been ignored. 70-80 in the ERG could not have been, and they would have had the power, so we’d be getting a cleaner and harder Brexit.0 -
The Zulu War - and other failed imperial adventures by the Disraeli Government- were certainly an issue in that.david_herdson said:
I did think about adding him but thought I'd then be opening up a can of 19th century worms as well and I don't know enough about, say, the 1880 election to remember how much of an issue Europe was (was that Midlothian or was Gladstone going on about Bulgarians, or both? etc)DecrepitJohnL said:
Neville Chamberlain too.david_herdson said:
You'd need the ghosts of Thatcher and, perhaps, Macmillan too.DecrepitJohnL said:
A group photo of Conservative prime ministers felled by Europe?Scott_P said:0 -
Indeed - but they could have pushed it further. Had the SNP Leader refused to leave when so ordered, the Speaker would have had to put a motion to the House and that could have taken almost half an hour. Then at the end of that Division a second SNP MP gets up to make the same point and the entire process has to be followed all over again. I recall one of Nigel Lawson's later Budget Speeches being disrupted in this way in the late 1980s when Alex Salmond and other SNP MPs forced such divisions in the middle of the Speech. 35 MPs could potentially cauise a lot of procedural mayhem - if sufficiently determined!RobD said:
While exciting, it was only a couple of minutes before they were ejected.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
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deselection of MPs in the Tory party? Let's hope it receives as much attention as deselection of MPs in the Labour party.brendan16 said:
WIll Anna Soubry ever suck it up and move on? She did of course get elected on a Tory manifesto that stated we would leave the single market and customs union. There is no reference to either the single market of the customs union in the GFA as far as I am aware?Richard_Tyndall said:
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:
Maybe it's time she forced a by election so the people of Broxtowe can have a people's vote?!0 -
Looks like Force India are wobbling badly. Could be a good opportunity for McLaren to get some fresh ideas from a team that does better than them with a third of the budget.0
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Suspect that the vote would not require a division. The SNP members can only shout so hard.justin124 said:
Indeed - but they could have pushed it further. Had the SNP Leader refused to leave when so ordered, the Speaker would have had to put a motion to the House and that could have taken almost half an hour. Then at the end of that Division a second SNP MP gets up to make the same point and the entire process has to be followed all over again. I recall one of Nigel Lawson's later Budget Speeches being disrupted in this way in the late 1980s when Alex Salmond and other SNP MPs forced such divisions in the middle of the Speech. 35 MPs could potentially cauise a lot of procedural mayhem - if sufficiently determined!RobD said:
While exciting, it was only a couple of minutes before they were ejected.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
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Sure,and I wouldn't argue that to stay in the Single Market wouldn't be seen as a betrayal of the Leave result, because it'd mean remaining bound by so much of what the EU does. I'm not sure that's necessarily as true of the CU, where in any case it's looking pretty obvious that those promised trade deals are pretty illusory.Casino_Royale said:
Leave campaigned heavily on the Customs Union. It was in all the literature I delivered and in social media. Leave.EU also campaigned on it, in their own special way. It’s certainly a big reason I voted Leave, and it was the basis on which all Conservative MPs were elected last year.david_herdson said:
Individual MPs can be elected on their own pledges, which may differ from national ones.brendan16 said:
WIll Anna Soubry ever suck it up and move on? She did of course get elected on a Tory manifesto that stated we would leave the single market and customs union.Richard_Tyndall said:
Anna showing her ignorance yet again.williamglenn said:
Maybe it's time she forced a by election so the people of Broxtowe can have a people's vote?!
In any case, the ballot question was Leave or Remain in the EU, not in the customs union.
That’s different to people remembering the principal reason why they cast their Leave vote of course, which came down to sovereignty (which includes ability to make trade deals), immigration control or more money for the NHS.
My ears perk up whenever I read “it wasn’t on the ballot paper” because it’s usually an attempt at exploiting the fact voters only recall the reasoning for their vote at a high-level in order to interpret the mandate in a way that suits the author.
However, on a purely factual basis, the instruction the electorate gave was to leave the EU. It's for MPs to interpret that instruction and then justify their decision.0 -
Do you think May would have used a larger majority to impose an Irish sea border? If not, a cleaner and harder Brexit doesn't exist.Casino_Royale said:
It’s the hung parliament that gives the Europhile Tory rebels the most power.MaxPB said:
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
It May had got a majority of 40, 15-20 rebels on the EU side could have more or less been ignored. 70-80 in the ERG could not have been, and they would have had the power, so we’d be getting a cleaner and harder Brexit.0 -
You're assuming the 70-80 in ERG are as rebellious as the 15-20 proEU rebels. I doubt that. The 15-20 are just the most committed, there must be well over 50 other Tory MPs who would like to see a soft-Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
It’s the hung parliament that gives the Europhile Tory rebels the most power.MaxPB said:
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
It May had got a majority of 40, 15-20 rebels on the EU side could have more or less been ignored. 70-80 in the ERG could not have been, and they would have had the power, so we’d be getting a cleaner and harder Brexit.0 -
Isn't that a young Gavin Strang, not Russell HartyAnorak said:0 -
It would mean a Division.When Salmond and his colleagues did this in the middle of the Budget speech there were only a handful of SNP members.RobD said:
Suspect that the vote would not require a division. The SNP members can only shout so hard.justin124 said:
Indeed - but they could have pushed it further. Had the SNP Leader refused to leave when so ordered, the Speaker would have had to put a motion to the House and that could have taken almost half an hour. Then at the end of that Division a second SNP MP gets up to make the same point and the entire process has to be followed all over again. I recall one of Nigel Lawson's later Budget Speeches being disrupted in this way in the late 1980s when Alex Salmond and other SNP MPs forced such divisions in the middle of the Speech. 35 MPs could potentially cauise a lot of procedural mayhem - if sufficiently determined!RobD said:
While exciting, it was only a couple of minutes before they were ejected.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
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I think they're just following convention, and announcing their upcoming nuptuals first to the Prime Minister.Scott_P said:0 -
Procedures of the Commons would be revised. IIRC, many of the Commons' current procedures date from the time when the Irish nationalists tactically (ab)used the rules of the day to disrupt business to such an extent that it necessitated reform.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
Labour would likely go along with tightening the rules as parties that think they've a decent chance of winning are never that keen on protecting the rights of parliament to be awkward.0 -
Excellent Joe Saward blog about offtrack happenings in Canada. Lots of happenings.MaxPB said:Looks like Force India are wobbling badly. Could be a good opportunity for McLaren to get some fresh ideas from a team that does better than them with a third of the budget.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joeblogsf1/id/002460 -
I thought the Speaker could ask members to stand/sit to indicate their support? It would be obvious if a majority supported the motion. Anyway, after the first division, if there was one, I suspect there would be no appetite among other members for it to continue.justin124 said:
It would mean a Division.When Salmond and his colleagues did this in the middle of the Budget speech there were only a handful of SNP members.RobD said:
Suspect that the vote would not require a division. The SNP members can only shout so hard.justin124 said:
Indeed - but they could have pushed it further. Had the SNP Leader refused to leave when so ordered, the Speaker would have had to put a motion to the House and that could have taken almost half an hour. Then at the end of that Division a second SNP MP gets up to make the same point and the entire process has to be followed all over again. I recall one of Nigel Lawson's later Budget Speeches being disrupted in this way in the late 1980s when Alex Salmond and other SNP MPs forced such divisions in the middle of the Speech. 35 MPs could potentially cauise a lot of procedural mayhem - if sufficiently determined!RobD said:
While exciting, it was only a couple of minutes before they were ejected.justin124 said:I wonder what would be the impact of the SNP deciding to behave like this at every PMQs? Or indeed in the middle of every debate relating to Brexit simply to cause chaos on the floor of the House?
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It must have been pressing if Sir John was persuaded to miss the cricket.Scott_P said:0 -
Good shoutNotThatNick said:Isn't that a young Gavin Strang, not Russell Harty
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The "cleanest" and "hardest" brexit would surely be WTO? The border wouldn't be in the Irish Sea.williamglenn said:
Do you think May would have used a larger majority to impose an Irish sea border? If not, a cleaner and harder Brexit doesn't exist.Casino_Royale said:
It’s the hung parliament that gives the Europhile Tory rebels the most power.MaxPB said:
Yes, if the SNP aren't coming back to the chamber today then the vote will be easily won by the government. If the SNP do a Sinn Fein then the Pro-EU lot have lost all of their power.Richard_Nabavi said:
She probably doesn't need their votes now.Scott_P said:
The SNP have chosen a nifty way of supporting the government whilst appearing to oppose it. I presume it's a dry run for any No Confidence vote.
It May had got a majority of 40, 15-20 rebels on the EU side could have more or less been ignored. 70-80 in the ERG could not have been, and they would have had the power, so we’d be getting a cleaner and harder Brexit.0
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