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Hasn't Europe on-and-off dominated British political debate for much of the last 50 years already?SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM.RobD said:
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.justin124 said:
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.RobD said:
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?justin124 said:
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.TOPPING said:
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
Lab govt.SeanT said:
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.TOPPING said:
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But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.SeanT said:Does this need repeating?
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
Then what?
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!0 -
Corbyn had no choice.justin124 said:
I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM.RobD said:
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.justin124 said:
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.RobD said:
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?justin124 said:
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.TOPPING said:
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
Lab govt.SeanT said:
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.TOPPING said:
.SeanT said:TOPPING said:
But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.SeanT said:Does this need repeating?
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
Then what?
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!0 -
Brexit is subsuming government, yet alone good government.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
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I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.Philip_Thompson said:
You mean that we have people in charge who believe the project fear nonsense despite it not coming true and are ignoring the referendum results to ensure Brexit does not mean Brexit?not_on_fire said:
We (thankfully) have people in charge who understand the harsh realities of Brexit and are doing their best to minimise the damage it will cause.Philip_Thompson said:
It is easy, we just need people in charge who actually intend to Brexit. We don't.not_on_fire said:And who can blame them when it’s firmly ij their national interest. It isn’t the Irish problem that Brexit was promised to be easy.
Which of May, Hammond and Robbins voted for Brexit in your eyes?
Why bother asking the people what they think when our ministerial 'betters' know better than us?
Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.0 -
We can all relax now - Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore for the summit.0
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This is just a crazy amount of money for the gun lobby to spend on a political campaign, regardless of its source.
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Catastrophic news:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.0 -
You can't say I didn't warn you.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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It is why Theresa would get deposed if she did give in.TOPPING said:
is why you're not a politician.MaxPB said:
Then let them put up a border which prevents Irish people in NI from going to Ireland. In fact if I were Theresa I would double dare them. Alas, I am not.TOPPING said:
NPXMPX2 told us yesterday that there could easily be a border in the Irish Sea if Lab were in power. Get with the plan, and Nick has been a Maoist Momentumer for 20 years so he should know.SeanT said:
Yawn. You know I am right. If there was NO DEAL, neither side would erect a border.TOPPING said:
But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.SeanT said:Does this need repeating?
In the event of NO DEAL, the UK would abide by its commitments, and would not erect infrastructure on the NI border.
The onus would then fall on the EU (and specifically the Dublin government). Would they start building customs post on the Irish side of the frontier, would they be unrolling barbed wire across the roads of east Donegal and north Louth?
No, of course they would not. It's a load of bluffing nonsense. Neither side would do anything, and this quasi-legal anomaly would be quietly accepted by everyone, as being superior in all ways to a hard frontier.
The EU is understandably using the NI problem to exert maximum leverage, at this crucial moment of negotiation, but as we near the doomsday event itself, it would become clear it was and is a bluff.
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
You might however be right that TMay will fold, but even that I doubt, or rather, I'm not sure it matters. No UK PM (even Corbyn) could accept a border down the Irish Sea. Folding therefore means the UK entire staying, for an indefinite period, in the SM and CU and accepting FoM. If she agrees to that there is a VERY strong chance she will be deposed as leader.
What would he or she do? Dunno. By that point the economic pain would be making itself felt across northwest Europe. Perhaps the EU will see sense and compromise.
Also, I said you *could* be right. But the EU isn't as sensible as you or me. They would roll up to the negotiations, quote EU Lex 1200543T/PRO/UKNI/03/HBORDER and May would quiche. Instantly.0 -
Your freedom of movement to EU is about to end, so you may have to cast your net wider :-)SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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Yes. I suspect history will judge Cameron more harshly than Blair.The_Taxman said:Brexit is a bag of bollocks!
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If the Leadership took the view that an early poll would be seriously damaging to the party's interests , it would be entitled to respond accordingly. Any backbench Labour MP who sought to sabotage that would have been denied endorsement by the NEC.Moreover, Labour only needed to abstain on the key Dissolution vote.Philip_Thompson said:
Voting against the continued existance of your own government is a deselection matter.justin124 said:Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.
Voting against the continued existance of the opposition's government is not.
Imagine the FTPA had existed in John Major's day and Tony Blair had ordered a three line whip against Major calling an early vote. Skinner and Corbyn would have ignored that whip and voted against the Tories in their eyes and not been deselected for it.0 -
Was he invited or is it the equivalent of Gazza turning up at the siege of Raoul Moat with a fishing rod?Tim_B said:We can all relax now - Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore for the summit.
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Nah - it was a constant presence, and clearly (given the Brexit result) more important than those who flippantly pretended it was of no concern realised, but it was never this intense and all consuming. Some years of that was inevitable, but I suppose it depends if it is decades.Philip_Thompson said:
Hasn't Europe on-and-off dominated British political debate for much of the last 50 years already?SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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Mr. Glenn, Rodman's a friend of Kim Jong-un. It's not as odd as it sounds that he's there.0
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Another nutter. Those of us in the know, are perfectly aware it is An Arrangement on Customs.kle4 said:0 -
As I recall it was the British public who made the decision.Roger said:
Yes. I suspect history will judge Cameron more harshly than Blair.The_Taxman said:Brexit is a bag of bollocks!
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kle4 said:
I thought we wanted a custom arrangement?
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I believe he did - though in the event he may have made the correct choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Corbyn had no choice.justin124 said:
I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM.RobD said:
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.justin124 said:
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.RobD said:
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?justin124 said:
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.TOPPING said:
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
Lab govt.SeanT said:
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.TOPPING said:
.SeanT said:TOPPING said:SeanT said:Does this need repeating?
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
Then what?
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!0 -
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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It’s the DM comments section, they also love Trump as well.Pulpstar said:Strong support for Salvini's stance in the comments:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5827965/Italy-turns-away-rescue-boat-carrying-600-migrants-including-123-children-seven-pregnant-women.html#comments
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Hoist by your own petard.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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He's now claiming to be a Remainer, despite writing articles about how the left should campaign to leave the EU.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
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No disagreement from me. As with almost any issue you need to deal with both the push and the pull factors. Making it clear that those being picked up will be sent back goes a long way to dealing with pull factors.JosiasJessop said:
Depositing them back on the short they left (or nearby) is, IMV, a reasonable idea (it would have to be done with arrangement, and probable payment, of the relevant country).Richard_Tyndall said:Not least because 400 of the 600 on this particular boat were apparently picked up by Italian naval vessels and then transferred to the charity ship. Is Max accusing the Italian Navy of people trafficking?
But that is only one side of the story. The people making the journey will be doing so for a whole host of reasons, but going out to sea in some of these 'boats' (and I use the term loosely) smacks of desperation. And there will always be desperate people for the unscrupulous to take advantage of.
So as well as returning them, we need to tackle the people making billions out of this trade; whether it is migrants wanting a better life, refugees escaping horror or young girls trafficked for the advantage of sick men. Where countries do not have strict laws against people trafficking, the UN should take charge.
Yes, other unscrupulous people will take over. But the rewards for doing so should be less, and the dangers greater.
Dealing with the push factors is more difficult. But attacking the people in the middle - whether NGOs or Governmental - whose only aim is to save lives seems particularly ill judged.
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Are you saying without the word 'woke' he wouldn't be a twat?FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
WE have crap government in any case so does not impact, chances of good government from the bunch of absolute duffers in the cabinet is zero.JosiasJessop said:
Brexit is subsuming government, yet alone good government.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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The garudian being inaccurate...surely not...to be fair flight club themselves call their location shoreditch.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
The Rodmeister is a lynchpin figure in the negotiations!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, Rodman's a friend of Kim Jong-un. It's not as odd as it sounds that he's there.
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Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.Scott_P said:
Here is what JLR saidralphmalph said:The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past.
Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster.
Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.0 -
Ms. Anazina, in our turbulent political times, it is no strange thing...
Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, everyone.0 -
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"Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."
So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.
The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.
Brexit = a calamity!
Brexiteers = Idiots!0 -
Do you mean whiff waff?AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 30
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What’s the difference between ping pong and whiff whaff...about £15/hr.Charles said:
Do you mean whiff waff?AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
In 2015, even the Tories weren’t committing to a specific number, saying that getting it down to the tens of thousands was now an ambition: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11448694/George-Osborne-Immigration-target-only-an-ambition.htmlElliot said:
I was talking more about views on things like gang crime, respect for teachers etc. On immigration, I find it depends a lot on the minority group. I certainly know a fair few Indian and Chinese professionals who wonder why we would let in uneducated Romanians and Somalis.The_Apocalypse said:
Re Anazina, disliking Blairites (although I haven’t seen her hate on them much at all) and Tories doesn’t equal = Corbynista. My dad hates both of those groups and he’s certainly not a Corbyn supporter.Elliot said:Anazina said:
Chortle. I am certainly not a supporter of Corbyn. Just your average centrist Joe.
ing.The_Apocalypse said:
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It was Gordon Brown who called Gillian Duffy a bigot in 2010. In 2015, Ed Miliband was producing tough on immigration mugs and promising this:
Labour pledges to "control" immigration by hiring an extra 1,000 border staff, increasing the powers of the Gangmasters Licensing Authority and banning the recruitment of only overseas workers. Migrants will not be able to claim benefits for two years, or send child benefit overseas. People working in public facing roles in the public sector will be required to speak English.
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How it compares to the Tories
David Cameron has pledged to end benefits for migrants for four years, and remove them from Britain if they have no found work after six months. Beggars and fraudsters removed from Britain face longer re-entry bans.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11532277/manifesto-2015-summary.html
And he still lost the last election. The left will always be the ‘imitation’ even with policies like this, because the right will always be able to out do the Left on this issue.
Thanks for clarifying my confusion on elections. Still, Miliband's efforts seemed fake because he wasn't - and repeatedly refused to - actually committing to get numbers down. As I said before, it is not even promises that matter, but actually reducing the numbers changing working class neigbourhoods.
Partly because of the difficulty in meeting the targets they set themselves in 2010: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6961675/David-Cameron-net-immigration-will-be-capped-at-tens-of-thousands.html
Yet despite of all that, they were definitely seen as the ‘tough on immigration’ party by the voters.0 -
FYI unemployment & earnings data out tomorrow0
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I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
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Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?ralphmalph said:
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.Scott_P said:
Here is what JLR saidralphmalph said:The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past.
Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster.
Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.0 -
I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.0 -
The manufacturer said it would also be investing in its plant at Halewood, Merseyside, to build the next generation Range Rover Evoque.ralphmalph said:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/11/jaguar-land-rover-to-move-production-of-discovery-from-uk-to-slovakia-jobs-solihull
Even the guardian says it isn’t brexit.0 -
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
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Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.The_Apocalypse said:
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/10059204341797724170 -
I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.TOPPING said:
I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
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Do you understand what he means, Mr Urquhart? I have no idea.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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I’m more of a football fan. Darts seems pretty boring to me. Although at least it’s not golf....FrancisUrquhart said:
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.The_Apocalypse said:
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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Don't they have a lot of members? That tweet does read like a bit of a smear "of course, there's no evidence of Russian money *wink wink*"williamglenn said:This is just a crazy amount of money for the gun lobby to spend on a political campaign, regardless of its source.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/10061557266647859210 -
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.TOPPING said:
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?ralphmalph said:
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.Scott_P said:
Here is what JLR saidralphmalph said:The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past.
Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster.
Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.0 -
I wanted the old JLR model plant and the new one.MaxPB said:
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.TOPPING said:
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?ralphmalph said:
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.Scott_P said:
Here is what JLR saidralphmalph said:The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past.
Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster.
Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.0 -
More than 5 million members and another 9 million who appear to support it in some wayRobD said:
Don't they have a lot of members? That tweet does read like a bit of a smear "of course, there's no evidence of Russian money *wink wink*"williamglenn said:This is just a crazy amount of money for the gun lobby to spend on a political campaign, regardless of its source.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1006155726664785921
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59651114e4b005b0fdc8fe90/amp
Remember they have all sorts of revenue streams like tv channel, training courses etc etc etc.0 -
Have the Conservative party decided to play some bizarre version of Just A Minute where they come up with new ways to describe their preferred trading arrangement with the EU without hesitation, repetition or deviation? Because if so, they suck at it.0
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EU or not I don't think it would have been economically viable for JLR to do the old model here vs a low wage country like Slovakia. New models make sense here because it requires lots of R&D and the company can scale up processes easily. Old models make sense in lower cost countries because the production process is already mature.TOPPING said:
I wanted the old JLR model plant and the new one.MaxPB said:
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.TOPPING said:
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?ralphmalph said:
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.Scott_P said:
Here is what JLR saidralphmalph said:The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past.
Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster.
Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.0 -
Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.0
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I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....Anazina said:
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?FrancisUrquhart said:
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.The_Apocalypse said:
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
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It's too close to home for me to venture into. I have been known to visit PizzaBuzz a few doors down.Anazina said:
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
Might get round to it, after a fortnite or so..FrancisUrquhart said:Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.
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EEA including Norway are outside of the Customs Union. I would be perfectly OK with that. All non-EU EEA members are outside of the Customs Union.not_on_fire said:
I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.Philip_Thompson said:
You mean that we have people in charge who believe the project fear nonsense despite it not coming true and are ignoring the referendum results to ensure Brexit does not mean Brexit?not_on_fire said:
We (thankfully) have people in charge who understand the harsh realities of Brexit and are doing their best to minimise the damage it will cause.Philip_Thompson said:
It is easy, we just need people in charge who actually intend to Brexit. We don't.not_on_fire said:And who can blame them when it’s firmly ij their national interest. It isn’t the Irish problem that Brexit was promised to be easy.
Which of May, Hammond and Robbins voted for Brexit in your eyes?
Why bother asking the people what they think when our ministerial 'betters' know better than us?
Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
Ireland and continuity remainers are seeking the UK to remain in both the Single Market and the Customs Union. There is a name for that: EU membership.0 -
I cannot say I recall hearing it much until the last year or two, it's about being aware (in a very obvious way I presume, since merely being aware of them means nothing if you are not advertising it) of social issues.Philip_Thompson said:
I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?FrancisUrquhart said:
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.The_Apocalypse said:
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/10059204341797724170 -
Repetitive and relentless...Barnesian said:
I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.TOPPING said:
I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
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dixiedean said:
Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
Grn 3 (+1)
This is 1917 attrition, We await the decisive campaigns of 1918.dixiedean said:
Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
Grn 3 (+1)0 -
Pissing fortnite....I would rather eat pineapple pizza while playing £15/hr darts with Radiohead live from Glastonbury blasting out over the bar speakers.Pulpstar said:
Might get round to it, after a fortnite or so..FrancisUrquhart said:Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.
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Can’t think of anything more boring so interested to hear it was fun.Anazina said:
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
Not 1618 and the beginning of the Thirty Year’s War ?Foxy said:dixiedean said:
Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
Grn 3 (+1)
This is 1917 attrition, We await the decisive campaigns of 1918.dixiedean said:
Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think that isjustin124 said:ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
Grn 3 (+1)
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I'm about to leave work to pick up some shopping, and I will walk straight past Flight Club. I shall give you a report from the front line if there's anything of interest.0
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pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant modeAnazina said:
Hoist by your own petard.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....0 -
Only on here....SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
In the real world, on the other hand, people have babies, buy houses, are gazumped, go on holiday, lose loved ones, watch movies......invite (must we really?) people to dinner drinks...0 -
I share the feeling. My support for Brexit is undimmed, but the drumbeat of endless repetition and uncertainty is exhausting.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Perhaps we need a WTO exit to reinvigorate ourselves, and our debates.0 -
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I have been there, junkyard golf and the ping pong. Of those the golf is the best and the darts the worst. It is just a waste of everyone's money. The best time is still the pool hall in King's Cross, if one is looking to play a pub game.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/10059204341797724170 -
Petard is quite correct.CarlottaVance said:
pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant modeAnazina said:
Hoist by your own petard.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....
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Indeed. To be hoist be one's own petard.Nigelb said:
Petard is quite correct.CarlottaVance said:
pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant modeAnazina said:
Hoist by your own petard.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....0 -
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
It was the British voters who voted for Brexit, the Tory leader at the time backed Remainmurali_s said:"Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."
So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.
The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.
Brexit = a calamity!
Brexiteers = Idiots!0 -
The UK should respond to that in the terms of Arkell v PressdramCarlottaVance said:0 -
The proposal is utterly unacceptable.CarlottaVance said:
In a pleasant irony, it was Asquith’s dependence on the IPP that ensured Home Rule got onto the statute book, while it is May’s dependence on the DUP that will will ensure Northern Ireland is not surrendered to cut a deal.0 -
Quite an internationalist bunch of xenophobic liars!HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.Morris_Dancer said:Catastrophic news:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.0 -
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They have a strong position, and appear to have gambled they can get everything they want, so do not even care to attempt a compromise. Given the rejection of the UK proposals, even backstop proposals, and troubling parliamentary arithmetic to try anything else, there doesn't seem a whole lot of point discussing it further.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not going anywhere, except into hiding once Brexit really hits the fan.HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
And he might accidentally put them in a bin in a park...NickPalmer said:
Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.Morris_Dancer said:Catastrophic news:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.0 -
Does Wales count for these purposes?HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
KABOOM!!!!
Labour, 2350 councillors, +79
Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35
Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75
Green, 39 councillors, +8
UKIP, 3 councillors, -123
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Or Chesterfieldwelshowl said:
Does Wales count for these purposes?HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
Projected Vote Share showed the major parties neck and neck though.bigjohnowls said:KABOOM!!!!
Labour, 2350 councillors, +79
Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35
Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75
Green, 39 councillors, +8
UKIP, 3 councillors, -1230 -
JICIPM I believejustin124 said:
Projected Vote Share showed the major parties neck and neck though.bigjohnowls said:KABOOM!!!!
Labour, 2350 councillors, +79
Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35
Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75
Green, 39 councillors, +8
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I see no way that I could move abroad even if I wanted to. Of course, I might be dead.HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
Good evening, everybody.0 -
I doubt their business strategy extends to opening a branch in Hanley.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....Anazina said:
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.AlastairMeeks said:
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!AndyJS said:Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.0 -
Would the last Brexiteer to leave Britain please turn out the lights?MaxPB said:
Quite an internationalist bunch of xenophobic liars!HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
Is Dorset still in the UK, or have the EU tried to annex that today too?HYUFD said:
Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!0 -
Well....lets just say the UK land bridge on which much of the republic's food business depends upon just got a bit more 'interesting'Philip_Thompson said:
The UK should respond to that in the terms of Arkell v PressdramCarlottaVance said:
'Delays at Holyhead? Don't ask me mate, ask your friend in Brussels.....and have you seen the queues at Dover, let alone Calais?'0 -
Carlotta is referring to Shakespeare’s original wording, which is presumed to be a lavatorial joke by the Bard.MaxPB said:
Indeed. To be hoist be one's own petard.Nigelb said:
Petard is quite correct.CarlottaVance said:
pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant modeAnazina said:
Hoist by your own petard.SeanT said:
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.JosiasJessop said:
I remember predicting that.SeanT said:Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....0
