But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
.
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.
Then what?
Lab govt.
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.
I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM. This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
.
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.
Then what?
Lab govt.
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.
I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM. This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
And who can blame them when it’s firmly ij their national interest. It isn’t the Irish problem that Brexit was promised to be easy.
It is easy, we just need people in charge who actually intend to Brexit. We don't.
Which of May, Hammond and Robbins voted for Brexit in your eyes?
We (thankfully) have people in charge who understand the harsh realities of Brexit and are doing their best to minimise the damage it will cause.
You mean that we have people in charge who believe the project fear nonsense despite it not coming true and are ignoring the referendum results to ensure Brexit does not mean Brexit?
Why bother asking the people what they think when our ministerial 'betters' know better than us?
I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.
Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
In the event of NO DEAL, the UK would abide by its commitments, and would not erect infrastructure on the NI border.
The onus would then fall on the EU (and specifically the Dublin government). Would they start building customs post on the Irish side of the frontier, would they be unrolling barbed wire across the roads of east Donegal and north Louth?
No, of course they would not. It's a load of bluffing nonsense. Neither side would do anything, and this quasi-legal anomaly would be quietly accepted by everyone, as being superior in all ways to a hard frontier.
The EU is understandably using the NI problem to exert maximum leverage, at this crucial moment of negotiation, but as we near the doomsday event itself, it would become clear it was and is a bluff.
But it is going to work. The UK as mentioned cannot be in a position whereby one outcome of a negotiation would be a hard border.
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
Yawn. You know I am right. If there was NO DEAL, neither side would erect a border.
You might however be right that TMay will fold, but even that I doubt, or rather, I'm not sure it matters. No UK PM (even Corbyn) could accept a border down the Irish Sea. Folding therefore means the UK entire staying, for an indefinite period, in the SM and CU and accepting FoM. If she agrees to that there is a VERY strong chance she will be deposed as leader.
What would he or she do? Dunno. By that point the economic pain would be making itself felt across northwest Europe. Perhaps the EU will see sense and compromise.
NPXMPX2 told us yesterday that there could easily be a border in the Irish Sea if Lab were in power. Get with the plan, and Nick has been a Maoist Momentumer for 20 years so he should know.
Also, I said you *could* be right. But the EU isn't as sensible as you or me. They would roll up to the negotiations, quote EU Lex 1200543T/PRO/UKNI/03/HBORDER and May would quiche. Instantly.
Then let them put up a border which prevents Irish people in NI from going to Ireland. In fact if I were Theresa I would double dare them. Alas, I am not.
is why you're not a politician.
It is why Theresa would get deposed if she did give in.
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.
Voting against the continued existance of your own government is a deselection matter.
Voting against the continued existance of the opposition's government is not.
Imagine the FTPA had existed in John Major's day and Tony Blair had ordered a three line whip against Major calling an early vote. Skinner and Corbyn would have ignored that whip and voted against the Tories in their eyes and not been deselected for it.
If the Leadership took the view that an early poll would be seriously damaging to the party's interests , it would be entitled to respond accordingly. Any backbench Labour MP who sought to sabotage that would have been denied endorsement by the NEC.Moreover, Labour only needed to abstain on the key Dissolution vote.
Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
Hasn't Europe on-and-off dominated British political debate for much of the last 50 years already?
Nah - it was a constant presence, and clearly (given the Brexit result) more important than those who flippantly pretended it was of no concern realised, but it was never this intense and all consuming. Some years of that was inevitable, but I suppose it depends if it is decades.
People say "let the EU put up a border on their side" as if the physical location were miles away and that it wouldn't be, er, a hard NI border. And thus what would the government's chances of survival be if they were to abnegate their responsibility (let's call it control) of the northern Irish border?
.
And then TMay would be deposed, and a new leader would be requested to show some balls, and tell the EU to shove it.
Then what?
Lab govt.
Getting rid of TMay doesn't force a GE.
Getting rid of TMay and replacing her with someone who tells the EU to shove it probably would.
There would still be no way that Tory MPs would support a Vote of No Confidence tabled in the Commons however chaotic things become.
True, but didn’t you say the same thing about Labour MPs and the FTPA?
Not quite sure what your point is - though I did suggest before last year's election was called that if the Labour leadership had tried to block it by relying on the FTPA that no Labour MP would have rebelled. Any Labour MP who had done that would have faced loss of the Whip and deselection. In the event, it did not arise because Corbyn went along with May's plans.
I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.
I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM. This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
Corbyn had no choice.
I believe he did - though in the event he may have made the correct choice.
Not least because 400 of the 600 on this particular boat were apparently picked up by Italian naval vessels and then transferred to the charity ship. Is Max accusing the Italian Navy of people trafficking?
Depositing them back on the short they left (or nearby) is, IMV, a reasonable idea (it would have to be done with arrangement, and probable payment, of the relevant country).
But that is only one side of the story. The people making the journey will be doing so for a whole host of reasons, but going out to sea in some of these 'boats' (and I use the term loosely) smacks of desperation. And there will always be desperate people for the unscrupulous to take advantage of.
So as well as returning them, we need to tackle the people making billions out of this trade; whether it is migrants wanting a better life, refugees escaping horror or young girls trafficked for the advantage of sick men. Where countries do not have strict laws against people trafficking, the UN should take charge.
Yes, other unscrupulous people will take over. But the rewards for doing so should be less, and the dangers greater.
No disagreement from me. As with almost any issue you need to deal with both the push and the pull factors. Making it clear that those being picked up will be sent back goes a long way to dealing with pull factors.
Dealing with the push factors is more difficult. But attacking the people in the middle - whether NGOs or Governmental - whose only aim is to save lives seems particularly ill judged.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
The garudian being inaccurate...surely not...to be fair flight club themselves call their location shoreditch.
The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past. Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster. Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
Here is what JLR said
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit. The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated. Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models. This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
"Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."
So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.
The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
Do you mean whiff waff?
What’s the difference between ping pong and whiff whaff...about £15/hr.
Re Anazina, disliking Blairites (although I haven’t seen her hate on them much at all) and Tories doesn’t equal = Corbynista. My dad hates both of those groups and he’s certainly not a Corbyn supporter. snip It was Gordon Brown who called Gillian Duffy a bigot in 2010. In 2015, Ed Miliband was producing tough on immigration mugs and promising this: Labour pledges to "control" immigration by hiring an extra 1,000 border staff, increasing the powers of the Gangmasters Licensing Authority and banning the recruitment of only overseas workers. Migrants will not be able to claim benefits for two years, or send child benefit overseas. People working in public facing roles in the public sector will be required to speak English. .... How it compares to the Tories David Cameron has pledged to end benefits for migrants for four years, and remove them from Britain if they have no found work after six months. Beggars and fraudsters removed from Britain face longer re-entry bans.
And he still lost the last election. The left will always be the ‘imitation’ even with policies like this, because the right will always be able to out do the Left on this issue.
I was talking more about views on things like gang crime, respect for teachers etc. On immigration, I find it depends a lot on the minority group. I certainly know a fair few Indian and Chinese professionals who wonder why we would let in uneducated Romanians and Somalis.
Thanks for clarifying my confusion on elections. Still, Miliband's efforts seemed fake because he wasn't - and repeatedly refused to - actually committing to get numbers down. As I said before, it is not even promises that matter, but actually reducing the numbers changing working class neigbourhoods.
The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past. Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster. Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
Here is what JLR said
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit. The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated. Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models. This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
I’m more of a football fan. Darts seems pretty boring to me. Although at least it’s not golf....
The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past. Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster. Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
Here is what JLR said
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit. The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated. Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models. This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.
The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past. Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster. Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
Here is what JLR said
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit. The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated. Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models. This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.
Have the Conservative party decided to play some bizarre version of Just A Minute where they come up with new ways to describe their preferred trading arrangement with the EU without hesitation, repetition or deviation? Because if so, they suck at it.
The key point is that Solihull is going to be upgraded to make electric. The future is electric. Solihull gets the future, Eastern Europe gets the past. Nobody complains when BMW or Merc move production around the world. JLR do it and it's disaster. Idiot journalists need to get a grip.
Here is what JLR said
At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.
Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.
"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.
Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit. The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated. Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models. This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.
I wanted the old JLR model plant and the new one.
EU or not I don't think it would have been economically viable for JLR to do the old model here vs a low wage country like Slovakia. New models make sense here because it requires lots of R&D and the company can scale up processes easily. Old models make sense in lower cost countries because the production process is already mature.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
It's too close to home for me to venture into. I have been known to visit PizzaBuzz a few doors down.
And who can blame them when it’s firmly ij their national interest. It isn’t the Irish problem that Brexit was promised to be easy.
It is easy, we just need people in charge who actually intend to Brexit. We don't.
Which of May, Hammond and Robbins voted for Brexit in your eyes?
We (thankfully) have people in charge who understand the harsh realities of Brexit and are doing their best to minimise the damage it will cause.
You mean that we have people in charge who believe the project fear nonsense despite it not coming true and are ignoring the referendum results to ensure Brexit does not mean Brexit?
Why bother asking the people what they think when our ministerial 'betters' know better than us?
I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.
Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
EEA including Norway are outside of the Customs Union. I would be perfectly OK with that. All non-EU EEA members are outside of the Customs Union.
Ireland and continuity remainers are seeking the UK to remain in both the Single Market and the Customs Union. There is a name for that: EU membership.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?
I cannot say I recall hearing it much until the last year or two, it's about being aware (in a very obvious way I presume, since merely being aware of them means nothing if you are not advertising it) of social issues.
Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.
Might get round to it, after a fortnite or so..
Pissing fortnite....I would rather eat pineapple pizza while playing £15/hr darts with Radiohead live from Glastonbury blasting out over the bar speakers.
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
Can’t think of anything more boring so interested to hear it was fun.
I'm about to leave work to pick up some shopping, and I will walk straight past Flight Club. I shall give you a report from the front line if there's anything of interest.
Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.
Oh god.
I remember predicting that.
I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
Only on here....
In the real world, on the other hand, people have babies, buy houses, are gazumped, go on holiday, lose loved ones, watch movies......invite (must we really?) people to dinner drinks...
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
I have been there, junkyard golf and the ping pong. Of those the golf is the best and the darts the worst. It is just a waste of everyone's money. The best time is still the pool hall in King's Cross, if one is looking to play a pub game.
"Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."
So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.
The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.
Brexit = a calamity! Brexiteers = Idiots!
It was the British voters who voted for Brexit, the Tory leader at the time backed Remain
In a pleasant irony, it was Asquith’s dependence on the IPP that ensured Home Rule got onto the statute book, while it is May’s dependence on the DUP that will will ensure Northern Ireland is not surrendered to cut a deal.
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.
Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.
They have a strong position, and appear to have gambled they can get everything they want, so do not even care to attempt a compromise. Given the rejection of the UK proposals, even backstop proposals, and troubling parliamentary arithmetic to try anything else, there doesn't seem a whole lot of point discussing it further.
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.
Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.
And he might accidentally put them in a bin in a park...
Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....
I doubt their business strategy extends to opening a branch in Hanley.
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This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1006155726664785921
And don't dare trust those people in favour of a Customs 'Arrangement'.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432
If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.
I thought we wanted a custom arrangement?
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1006186102611435521
Dealing with the push factors is more difficult. But attacking the people in the middle - whether NGOs or Governmental - whose only aim is to save lives seems particularly ill judged.
Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, everyone.
Bloomberg article.
So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.
The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.
Brexit = a calamity!
Brexiteers = Idiots!
Partly because of the difficulty in meeting the targets they set themselves in 2010: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6961675/David-Cameron-net-immigration-will-be-capped-at-tens-of-thousands.html
Yet despite of all that, they were definitely seen as the ‘tough on immigration’ party by the voters.
Con 42 (-1)
Lab 40 (n/c)
LD 8 (n/c)
Grn 3 (+1)
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/11/jaguar-land-rover-to-move-production-of-discovery-from-uk-to-slovakia-jobs-solihull
Even the guardian says it isn’t brexit.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59651114e4b005b0fdc8fe90/amp
Remember they have all sorts of revenue streams like tv channel, training courses etc etc etc.
Ireland and continuity remainers are seeking the UK to remain in both the Single Market and the Customs Union. There is a name for that: EU membership.
I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....
In the real world, on the other hand, people have babies, buy houses, are gazumped, go on holiday, lose loved ones, watch movies......invite (must we really?) people to dinner drinks...
Perhaps we need a WTO exit to reinvigorate ourselves, and our debates.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/infographic_on_the_eu_backstop_proposal.pdf
Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1006211740252729344
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1006221495285309441
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1006223424774197248
In a pleasant irony, it was Asquith’s dependence on the IPP that ensured Home Rule got onto the statute book, while it is May’s dependence on the DUP that will will ensure Northern Ireland is not surrendered to cut a deal.
Labour won it comfortably
Labour, 2350 councillors, +79
Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35
Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75
Green, 39 councillors, +8
UKIP, 3 councillors, -123
Good evening, everybody.
'Delays at Holyhead? Don't ask me mate, ask your friend in Brussels.....and have you seen the queues at Dover, let alone Calais?'