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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    SeanT said:

    Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.

    Oh god.

    Hasn't Europe on-and-off dominated British political debate for much of the last 50 years already?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    RobD said:

    I recall you being more forceful in saying they’d never vote for an early dissolution.
    I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM.
    This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Anazina said:


    “Ed Balls
    Something went wrong with the copy and paste function.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    justin124 said:

    I strongly held the view that Corbyn had the option available to him of being able to block an early election - and at the time I was more than a little upset that he failed to do so! I still have little doubt that had the Labour Leadership gone down the road of forcing May to table a No Confidence Vote in her own Government that the PLP would have accepted such a tactic. There might well have been constitutional chaos for a few weeks - and even the possibility of an election being held with Corbyn as effectively a caretaker PM.
    This is now water under the bridge in that Corbyn was clearly up for the fight - and proceeded to prove me - and virtually everybody else - wrong by achieving a creditable election result which greatly enhanced his authority!
    Corbyn had no choice.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,475
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    Brexit is subsuming government, yet alone good government.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    You mean that we have people in charge who believe the project fear nonsense despite it not coming true and are ignoring the referendum results to ensure Brexit does not mean Brexit?

    Why bother asking the people what they think when our ministerial 'betters' know better than us?
    I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.

    Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    We can all relax now - Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore for the summit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    This is just a crazy amount of money for the gun lobby to spend on a political campaign, regardless of its source.
    https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1006155726664785921
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723
    Anazina said:

    Is it the Customs Arrangement or a customs arrangement? We demand clarity!!
    You're bonkers - it is clearly Customs arrangement or customs Arrangement which are the options. :)

    And don't dare trust those people in favour of a Customs 'Arrangement'.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    Catastrophic news:
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432

    If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.

    Oh god.

    You can't say I didn't warn you.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944
    TOPPING said:

    is why you're not a politician.
    It is why Theresa would get deposed if she did give in.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,759
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    Your freedom of movement to EU is about to end, so you may have to cast your net wider :-)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,568

    Brexit is a bag of bollocks!

    Yes. I suspect history will judge Cameron more harshly than Blair.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Voting against the continued existance of your own government is a deselection matter.

    Voting against the continued existance of the opposition's government is not.

    Imagine the FTPA had existed in John Major's day and Tony Blair had ordered a three line whip against Major calling an early vote. Skinner and Corbyn would have ignored that whip and voted against the Tories in their eyes and not been deselected for it.
    If the Leadership took the view that an early poll would be seriously damaging to the party's interests , it would be entitled to respond accordingly. Any backbench Labour MP who sought to sabotage that would have been denied endorsement by the NEC.Moreover, Labour only needed to abstain on the key Dissolution vote.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    Tim_B said:

    We can all relax now - Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore for the summit.

    Was he invited or is it the equivalent of Gazza turning up at the siege of Raoul Moat with a fishing rod?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723

    Hasn't Europe on-and-off dominated British political debate for much of the last 50 years already?
    Nah - it was a constant presence, and clearly (given the Brexit result) more important than those who flippantly pretended it was of no concern realised, but it was never this intense and all consuming. Some years of that was inevitable, but I suppose it depends if it is decades.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    Mr. Glenn, Rodman's a friend of Kim Jong-un. It's not as odd as it sounds that he's there.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    kle4 said:

    You're bonkers - it is clearly Customs arrangement or customs Arrangement which are the options. :)

    And don't dare trust those people in favour of a Customs 'Arrangement'.
    Another nutter. Those of us in the know, are perfectly aware it is An Arrangement on Customs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723
    Roger said:

    Yes. I suspect history will judge Cameron more harshly than Blair.
    As I recall it was the British public who made the decision.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    kle4 said:

    You're bonkers - it is clearly Customs arrangement or customs Arrangement which are the options. :)

    And don't dare trust those people in favour of a Customs 'Arrangement'.

    I thought we wanted a custom arrangement?

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Corbyn had no choice.
    I believe he did - though in the event he may have made the correct choice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    edited June 2018
    AndyJS said:

    Owen Jones has apparently started a Twitter storm with comments about Merkel's government:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Pulpstar said:
    It’s the DM comments section, they also love Trump as well.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    Hoist by your own petard.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    He's now claiming to be a Remainer, despite writing articles about how the left should campaign to leave the EU.
    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1006186102611435521
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,295

    Depositing them back on the short they left (or nearby) is, IMV, a reasonable idea (it would have to be done with arrangement, and probable payment, of the relevant country).

    But that is only one side of the story. The people making the journey will be doing so for a whole host of reasons, but going out to sea in some of these 'boats' (and I use the term loosely) smacks of desperation. And there will always be desperate people for the unscrupulous to take advantage of.

    So as well as returning them, we need to tackle the people making billions out of this trade; whether it is migrants wanting a better life, refugees escaping horror or young girls trafficked for the advantage of sick men. Where countries do not have strict laws against people trafficking, the UN should take charge.

    Yes, other unscrupulous people will take over. But the rewards for doing so should be less, and the dangers greater.
    No disagreement from me. As with almost any issue you need to deal with both the push and the pull factors. Making it clear that those being picked up will be sent back goes a long way to dealing with pull factors.

    Dealing with the push factors is more difficult. But attacking the people in the middle - whether NGOs or Governmental - whose only aim is to save lives seems particularly ill judged.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,568

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    Are you saying without the word 'woke' he wouldn't be a twat?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.

    Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,166

    Brexit is subsuming government, yet alone good government.
    WE have crap government in any case so does not impact, chances of good government from the bunch of absolute duffers in the cabinet is zero.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    edited June 2018

    What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.

    Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
    The garudian being inaccurate...surely not...to be fair flight club themselves call their location shoreditch.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Mr. Glenn, Rodman's a friend of Kim Jong-un. It's not as odd as it sounds that he's there.

    The Rodmeister is a lynchpin figure in the negotiations!
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Scott_P said:

    Here is what JLR said

    At a Number 10 meeting in July, Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralph Speth is understood to have directed a "heated" monologue on the impact of no deal and no transition on the car industry towards the PM.

    Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.

    "It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.


    https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671
    Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.

    The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
    The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
    Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
    This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    Ms. Anazina, in our turbulent political times, it is no strange thing...

    Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, everyone.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,081
    edited June 2018
    "Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."

    So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.

    The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.

    Brexit = a calamity!
    Brexiteers = Idiots!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.

    Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
    Do you mean whiff waff?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    edited June 2018
    Charles said:

    Do you mean whiff waff?
    What’s the difference between ping pong and whiff whaff...about £15/hr.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited June 2018
    Elliot said:

    I was talking more about views on things like gang crime, respect for teachers etc. On immigration, I find it depends a lot on the minority group. I certainly know a fair few Indian and Chinese professionals who wonder why we would let in uneducated Romanians and Somalis.

    Thanks for clarifying my confusion on elections. Still, Miliband's efforts seemed fake because he wasn't - and repeatedly refused to - actually committing to get numbers down. As I said before, it is not even promises that matter, but actually reducing the numbers changing working class neigbourhoods.
    In 2015, even the Tories weren’t committing to a specific number, saying that getting it down to the tens of thousands was now an ambition: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11448694/George-Osborne-Immigration-target-only-an-ambition.html
    Partly because of the difficulty in meeting the targets they set themselves in 2010: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6961675/David-Cameron-net-immigration-will-be-capped-at-tens-of-thousands.html
    Yet despite of all that, they were definitely seen as the ‘tough on immigration’ party by the voters.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    FYI unemployment & earnings data out tomorrow
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    justin124 said:

    ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3

    I think that is

    Con 42 (-1)
    Lab 40 (n/c)
    LD 8 (n/c)
    Grn 3 (+1)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812

    Here is bloomberg with the truth not Faisal's propaganda. Read the first paragraphs of his piece where he is implying all crankshafts go to Munich and all Mini engines come from Germany. You may want to think where the Mini engine plants are.

    The decision to build the Slovak factory was made in 2015 before Brexit.
    The decision to move the Discovery there was made in 2016. But today it is a surprise to all these remainer journalists, it is not a surprise to the educated.
    Also in the Bloomberg article Solihull and Halewood get significant upgrades to build the FUTURE SUPER DUPER new models.
    This is not bad news, this is good news. As I said before it is just what every other major car company does.
    Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    The manufacturer said it would also be investing in its plant at Halewood, Merseyside, to build the next generation Range Rover Evoque.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/11/jaguar-land-rover-to-move-production-of-discovery-from-uk-to-slovakia-jobs-solihull

    Even the guardian says it isn’t brexit.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,027

    I think that is

    Con 42 (-1)
    Lab 40 (n/c)
    LD 8 (n/c)
    Grn 3 (+1)
    Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872

    Well, you can consider me a total twat then. Although judging by some of the other people who I know who also use it, people generally who use the word woke aren’t likely to be big darts fans in the first place.
    Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,085
    TOPPING said:

    I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.
    I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    Do you understand what he means, Mr Urquhart? I have no idea.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
    I’m more of a football fan. Darts seems pretty boring to me. Although at least it’s not golf....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,410

    This is just a crazy amount of money for the gun lobby to spend on a political campaign, regardless of its source.
    https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1006155726664785921

    Don't they have a lot of members? That tweet does read like a bit of a smear "of course, there's no evidence of Russian money *wink wink*"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944
    TOPPING said:

    Can’t we have a cake and eat it strategy for car plants?
    There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    edited June 2018
    MaxPB said:

    There is, it's called customs pre-clearance, the US and Canada use the system for certain key industries.
    I wanted the old JLR model plant and the new one.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    ICM poll - Con 42 Lab 40 LD 8 Grn 3 UKIP 3

    Takes the number of polls without a Labour lead to 23.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    RobD said:

    Don't they have a lot of members? That tweet does read like a bit of a smear "of course, there's no evidence of Russian money *wink wink*"
    More than 5 million members and another 9 million who appear to support it in some way

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59651114e4b005b0fdc8fe90/amp

    Remember they have all sorts of revenue streams like tv channel, training courses etc etc etc.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Have the Conservative party decided to play some bizarre version of Just A Minute where they come up with new ways to describe their preferred trading arrangement with the EU without hesitation, repetition or deviation? Because if so, they suck at it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944
    TOPPING said:

    I wanted the old JLR model plant and the new one.
    EU or not I don't think it would have been economically viable for JLR to do the old model here vs a low wage country like Slovakia. New models make sense here because it requires lots of R&D and the company can scale up processes easily. Old models make sense in lower cost countries because the production process is already mature.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    edited June 2018

    What most annoyed me about that article about Flight Club is the suggestion it's in Shoreditch. It's just behind Finsbury Square. It's not populated by hipsters but by suits.

    Anyway, everyone knows that ping pong is where it's at.
    I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    Anazina said:

    I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
    Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Did you not get the memo, all the woke kids are darting these days.
    I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Anazina said:

    I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
    It's too close to home for me to venture into. I have been known to visit PizzaBuzz a few doors down.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365

    Totally OT, hitman 2 out soon and playable demo level available.

    Might get round to it, after a fortnite or so..
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I assume you are referring to an EEA Brexit (an option that would likely have majority support of the public), a status deemed sufficiently different to EU membership by Norwegian voters that a referendum was held where it was rejected.

    Your personal vision of Brexit is just one of many.
    EEA including Norway are outside of the Customs Union. I would be perfectly OK with that. All non-EU EEA members are outside of the Customs Union.

    Ireland and continuity remainers are seeking the UK to remain in both the Single Market and the Customs Union. There is a name for that: EU membership.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723

    I must be getting old, WTF is a "woke kid" or a "woke government"?
    I cannot say I recall hearing it much until the last year or two, it's about being aware (in a very obvious way I presume, since merely being aware of them means nothing if you are not advertising it) of social issues.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,097
    Barnesian said:

    I agree it’s just so relentless and repetitive.
    Repetitive and relentless...

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,485
    dixiedean said:

    Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.
    dixiedean said:

    Which was the Election result iirc. Remarkable lack of change.
    This is 1917 attrition, We await the decisive campaigns of 1918.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872
    Pulpstar said:

    Might get round to it, after a fortnite or so..
    Pissing fortnite....I would rather eat pineapple pizza while playing £15/hr darts with Radiohead live from Glastonbury blasting out over the bar speakers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Anazina said:

    I have never been to Flight Club but a friend went there for a party and loved it. Apparently the electronic scoring system and variety of games makes it.
    Can’t think of anything more boring so interested to hear it was fun.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,097
    Foxy said:

    This is 1917 attrition, We await the decisive campaigns of 1918.
    Not 1618 and the beginning of the Thirty Year’s War ?

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'm about to leave work to pick up some shopping, and I will walk straight past Flight Club. I shall give you a report from the front line if there's anything of interest.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited June 2018
    Anazina said:

    Hoist by your own petard.
    pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant mode

    I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited June 2018
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    Only on here....

    In the real world, on the other hand, people have babies, buy houses, are gazumped, go on holiday, lose loved ones, watch movies......invite (must we really?) people to dinner drinks...
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited June 2018
    SeanT said:

    Just realised Brexit is likely to dominate British political debate for the next three-to-five years. Maybe ten years.

    Oh god.

    I share the feeling. My support for Brexit is undimmed, but the drumbeat of endless repetition and uncertainty is exhausting.

    Perhaps we need a WTO exit to reinvigorate ourselves, and our debates.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944

    Anybody who uses the word woke is a total twat, the sort of person who would pay £15 an hour to play darts!
    I have been there, junkyard golf and the ping pong. Of those the golf is the best and the darts the worst. It is just a waste of everyone's money. The best time is still the pool hall in King's Cross, if one is looking to play a pub game.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,097

    pedant mode Hoist with your own petar' / pedant mode

    I know you're such a stickler for accuracy.....
    Petard is quite correct.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944
    Nigelb said:

    Petard is quite correct.
    Indeed. To be hoist be one's own petard.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,338
    edited June 2018
    SeanT said:

    I might have to emigrate until it is over. It's just so relentless and repetitive.
    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,338
    murali_s said:

    "Not my side, Mr Max. It is the Tories who are in charge of everything. I don`t think there is any dispute about the incompetent mess they (that is you, IIRC) are making of everything."

    So so true. The Tories are an incompetent disgrace. To be honest, a sharp operator like Barnier against a certified moron, David Davis and a sleazy friend of war criminals, Liam Fox was always going to be walkover.

    The old adage rings true as ever before - the Conservative Party will put their own party interest ahead of the national interest every single time.

    Brexit = a calamity!
    Brexiteers = Idiots!

    It was the British voters who voted for Brexit, the Tory leader at the time backed Remain
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    The UK should respond to that in the terms of Arkell v Pressdram
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    The proposal is utterly unacceptable.

    In a pleasant irony, it was Asquith’s dependence on the IPP that ensured Home Rule got onto the statute book, while it is May’s dependence on the DUP that will will ensure Northern Ireland is not surrendered to cut a deal.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,944
    edited June 2018
    HYUFD said:

    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
    Quite an internationalist bunch of xenophobic liars!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,687

    Catastrophic news:
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1006214084046610432

    If Letwin's doing it, the odds on it falling the pieces must be significant.

    Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    AndyJS said:

    Takes the number of polls without a Labour lead to 23.
    There was a massive Poll at the start of May


    Labour won it comfortably
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723
    They have a strong position, and appear to have gambled they can get everything they want, so do not even care to attempt a compromise. Given the rejection of the UK proposals, even backstop proposals, and troubling parliamentary arithmetic to try anything else, there doesn't seem a whole lot of point discussing it further.
    HYUFD said:

    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
    I'm not going anywhere, except into hiding once Brexit really hits the fan.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,872

    Letwin is genuinely very nice (making him a good bridge-builder) and he's clever. The risk is that he's not very streetwise and things he propose don't sound as good to punters as they did on paper.
    And he might accidentally put them in a bin in a park...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    HYUFD said:

    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
    Does Wales count for these purposes?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    KABOOM!!!!


    Labour, 2350 councillors, +79

    Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35

    Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75

    Green, 39 councillors, +8

    UKIP, 3 councillors, -123
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    welshowl said:

    Does Wales count for these purposes?
    Or Chesterfield
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    KABOOM!!!!


    Labour, 2350 councillors, +79

    Conservative, 1332 councillors, -35

    Liberal Democrat, 536 councillors, +75

    Green, 39 councillors, +8

    UKIP, 3 councillors, -123

    Projected Vote Share showed the major parties neck and neck though.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    justin124 said:

    Projected Vote Share showed the major parties neck and neck though.
    JICIPM I believe
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,469
    HYUFD said:

    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
    I see no way that I could move abroad even if I wanted to. Of course, I might be dead.

    Good evening, everybody.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Can’t see it going down very well in Stoke...you want how much to add the score up for me....
    I doubt their business strategy extends to opening a branch in Hanley.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    MaxPB said:

    Quite an internationalist bunch of xenophobic liars!
    Would the last Brexiteer to leave Britain please turn out the lights?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202
    HYUFD said:

    Soon there won't be a PBBrexiteer left in the UK, they will all be in California, Spain, the UAE, Australia, Singapore etc.

    Sunil may be the only PB Leave voter still sticking it out in Blighty!
    Is Dorset still in the UK, or have the EU tried to annex that today too?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Well....lets just say the UK land bridge on which much of the republic's food business depends upon just got a bit more 'interesting'

    'Delays at Holyhead? Don't ask me mate, ask your friend in Brussels.....and have you seen the queues at Dover, let alone Calais?'
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    MaxPB said:

    Indeed. To be hoist be one's own petard.
    Carlotta is referring to Shakespeare’s original wording, which is presumed to be a lavatorial joke by the Bard.
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