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If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
Corbyn struggled to fill a shadow cabinet let alone an actual one. He had no other responsibilities than clinging on until an election, he didn't need to actually win votes in the Commons to fulfil his job.Sean_F said:
Corbyn held on when 80% of his MP's voted against him. If 200 support May, she'll be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there's several ministers who have yet to submit letters.Sean_F said:
If only 42 are backing a vote of confidence, that suggests they Cdon't have the numbers to get her out.
I suspect it might be like 1990 all over again.
May wins a majority of MPs but is fatally damaged in the process.
May is totally different.0 -
Was.collegeman7 said:The Tory party is the most ruthless engine of self preservation in the western world.
I see no evidence that this long-held principle continues to hold.0 -
All the PB Tories, Mr Collegeman.collegeman7 said:
Who says the LDs would prop up a Corbyn government?HYUFD said:
To be fair I know a number of Tories who would love a Corbyn minority government propped up by the LDs and SNP and Greens, add the DUP too and the Tories would still be easily the biggest party but have opposition all to themselveslogical_song said:
The DUP cannot be relied upon under all circumstances - the 'border' in the Irish sea, springs to mind, and that one is quite likely.collegeman7 said:
Yeah but its not a minority government in reality. Its a government of the Conservative and Unionist Party. The unionists or DUP are guaranteed to support the Tories in a vote of confidence to keep out Corbyn. And therefore the Tories have a majority in reality. And that majority will almost certainly last until 2022 -unless a new Tory PM at any time before then decides he or she wants an election.edmundintokyo said:
That's never something you can say when you've got a minority government, even less so when it's a minority government presiding over an essential negotiation that's turned into a total goat rodeo.collegeman7 said:Whatever happens, the Fixed Term Parliament Act still means no election before 2022
What most certainly will not happen is that Corbyn will be PM without an election. Even with all the other parties -other than the DUP who will never support him -lined up behind him, he doesnt have the numbers in the Commons.0 -
Ooh, tightening up again in the cricket! C'mon the Scotch lads.0
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A further point to note is that the 10 ministers got very little in return for threatening to resign.
Sure, but there'll always be people willing to serve as ministers.Philip_Thompson said:
Corbyn struggled to fill a shadow cabinet let alone an actual one. He had no other responsibilities than clinging on until an election, he didn't need to actually win votes in the Commons to fulfil his job.Sean_F said:
Corbyn held on when 80% of his MP's voted against him. If 200 support May, she'll be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there's several ministers who have yet to submit letters.Sean_F said:
If only 42 are backing a vote of confidence, that suggests they Cdon't have the numbers to get her out.
I suspect it might be like 1990 all over again.
May wins a majority of MPs but is fatally damaged in the process.
May is totally different.
It's similar to arguments that Bercow would resign if 100 MP's had no confidence in him. He'd just laugh at them.0 -
The Tories are already on their third consecutive general election winning most seats, Labour have only matched that once in the last century, from 1997-2005El_Capitano said:
Was.collegeman7 said:The Tory party is the most ruthless engine of self preservation in the western world.
I see no evidence that this long-held principle continues to hold.0 -
Yaroo!Theuniondivvie said:Ooh, tightening up again in the cricket! C'mon the Scotch lads.
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Scotland haven’t just beaten England, they’ve beaten the Number 1 ranked team in the world. Big shout to the bellends at the ICC who reduced the World Cup to ten teams. 0
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Well done Scotland cricket team.0
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Congratulations to the Scots - a great win in a great match.
Shows the utter absurdity of the ICC blazers in reducing the size of the World Cup, when we should be spreading the game around the world.0 -
Congratulations !Theuniondivvie said:
Yaroo!Theuniondivvie said:Ooh, tightening up again in the cricket! C'mon the Scotch lads.
(Though that does sound disturbingly like a Boris Johnson expostulation....)
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Fair play to you and congratulations.Theuniondivvie said:Ooh, tightening up again in the cricket! C'mon the Scotch lads.
It is a disgrace that you aren’t at the World Cup.0 -
Never in doubt.0
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Marie Le Pen has less chance of winning admittedlyHYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
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What were the opening odds for the Scotland England game?0
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... but what if you only count majority governments?HYUFD said:
The Tories are already on their third consecutive general election winning most seats, Labour have only matched that once in the last century, from 1997-2005El_Capitano said:
Was.collegeman7 said:The Tory party is the most ruthless engine of self preservation in the western world.
I see no evidence that this long-held principle continues to hold.0 -
They should arrange a friendly for the week after the group stages...TheScreamingEagles said:Reckon Scotland will beat England in the world cup if we were to meet?
Oh.0 -
Not sure I had a bet at 6/1 when England were 7 down but going well with Moeen and PlunkettAlistair said:What were the opening odds for the Scotland England game?
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7/1Alistair said:What were the opening odds for the Scotland England game?
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In fact won 4 figures today betting on Scotland at various intervals
The under over innings was 235 in over 1
The 15 over under/over score was 64 in over3.
The 30 over under/over score in play score was 170 then 181
The 40 Over in play score was 258
All winners
Always bet against a 4 Yorkshiremen England!!!0 -
The Tories have had a single majority government three times, in 1924-1929, 1970-1974 and 2015-2017, 2 consecutively twice from 1918-1923 and from 1931-1945, 3 consecutively once from 1951-1964, 4 consecutively once from 1979-1997.logical_song said:
... but what if you only count majority governments?HYUFD said:
The Tories are already on their third consecutive general election winning most seats, Labour have only matched that once in the last century, from 1997-2005El_Capitano said:
Was.collegeman7 said:The Tory party is the most ruthless engine of self preservation in the western world.
I see no evidence that this long-held principle continues to hold.
Labour have had a single majority government once from October 1974-1979, 2 consecutively twice, from 1945-1951 and 1964-1970 and 3 consecutively once from 1997-2010.0 -
The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.0
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May I suggest more fibre in your diet?volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Now that is some vivid imagery.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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That was remarkably prescient of you.another_richard said:
I did suggest here about seven years ago that it wouldn't be long before the metropolitan upper-middle classes looked upon domestic servants as a necessity.YBarddCwsc said:
I think (as voiced by the Guardian yesterday) the Great Strawberry Famine is no longer the top concern.another_richard said:Todays Tesco Strawberries score is a record breaking 11 (eleven!).
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Fife
Staffordshire
Leicestershire
Cambridgeshire
Herefordshire
Essex
Kent
Surrey
Somerset
That's gains of Fife, Essex and Surrey and a loss in Berkshire.
It is the Great Au Pair Famine.
What use are strawberries in abundance, if there is no free labour from Gudrun to prepare them & serve them to your children.
And would blame the government if they weren't available in sufficiently cheap and servile numbers.
The big downside to Brexit is the end to slave labour for the metropolitan upper middle-classes.
That is why the howls have been so loud from the illiberals.0 -
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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2 weeks of sunshine & Scotland winning something gave me an attack of the Bunters.Nigelb said:
Congratulations !Theuniondivvie said:
Yaroo!Theuniondivvie said:Ooh, tightening up again in the cricket! C'mon the Scotch lads.
(Though that does sound disturbingly like a Boris Johnson expostulation....)
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Mrs Thatcher was fine after the vote -- until the Cabinet told her she was off. It would be the same now. (Hmm. I might watch the Margaret DVD tonight.)Sean_F said:
Corbyn held on when 80% of his MP's voted against him. If 200 support May, she'll be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there's several ministers who have yet to submit letters.Sean_F said:
If only 42 are backing a vote of confidence, that suggests they Cdon't have the numbers to get her out.
I suspect it might be like 1990 all over again.
May wins a majority of MPs but is fatally damaged in the process.0 -
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump if shoving the shower head up your arse was unsuccessful.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Jesus Christ. That's the post of the day.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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PB.com - elevated and sophisticated political commentarybigjohnowls said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump if shoving the shower head up your arse was unsuccessful.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Some of us are eating.
Can we please have some decorum on PB.0 -
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I am unfortunately something of an expert on this matter since Mrs BJ requires manual evacuations dailykle4 said:
PB.com - elevated and sophisticated political commentarybigjohnowls said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump if shoving the shower head up your arse was unsuccessful.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Are you having pineapple with your decorum?TheScreamingEagles said:Some of us are eating.
Can we please have some decorum on PB.0 -
And I was just thinking of making myself a sandwich. Think I'll give it a miss.JackW said:
Are you having pineapple with your decorum?TheScreamingEagles said:Some of us are eating.
Can we please have some decorum on PB.0 -
You might have been accused previously of being all full of piss and wind but none of us may have contemplated quite how so !!!!!!!!!!! ..bigjohnowls said:
I am unfortunately something of an expert on this matter since Mrs BJ requires manual evacuations dailykle4 said:
PB.com - elevated and sophisticated political commentarybigjohnowls said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump if shoving the shower head up your arse was unsuccessful.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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https://decorum-shop.co.uk/TheScreamingEagles said:Some of us are eating.
Can we please have some decorum on PB.
Always happy to oblige Mr Eagles.
I recommend the Kamira Lanterns0 -
More full of shite TBF!!!JackW said:
You might have been accused previously of being all full of piss and wind but none of us may have contemplated quite how so !!!!!!!!!!! ..bigjohnowls said:
I am unfortunately something of an expert on this matter since Mrs BJ requires manual evacuations dailykle4 said:
PB.com - elevated and sophisticated political commentarybigjohnowls said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump if shoving the shower head up your arse was unsuccessful.Ishmael_Z said:
But piss and wind would be quite effective agents for removing such a lump.volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
Decorum rhymes with Santorum.TheScreamingEagles said:Some of us are eating.
Can we please have some decorum on PB.
Just sayin'.0 -
Actually I spent half of Saturday canvassing in Blackheath so I suggest you don't be so presumptive!IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
I am not saying the Tories are going to win Lewisham East but as they normally get about 20-30% of the vote in the constituency if a lot of the Labour vote went LD and it becomes a 3-way race anything could happen, especially if it is a low turnout0 -
Anything could happen translates as Labour is bound to win.HYUFD said:
Actually I spent half of Saturday canvassing in Blackheath so I suggest you don't be so presumptive!IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
I am not saying the Tories are going to win Lewisham East but as they normally get about 20-30% of the vote in the constituency if a lot of the Labour vote went LD and it becomes a 3-way race anything could happen, especially if it is a low turnout
The Tories will be lucky to come second. Ringing the doorbell isn't sufficient; you need to listen to what people say to you on the doorstep.0 -
Dawning overstates his case but there's an element of truth there. May is just Remainy enough to keep the mild Remain right-leaners onside vs Corbyn. I don't think a eurosceptic that was key to bringing her down would be. As long as she delivers FoM and SM exit, plus a CU planned exit date, it would be smart to keep her in position for the deal. They should then focus on getting a charismatic younger leader in for 2020 to defeat Corbyn and prepare for CU exit. Get Raab or Mordaunt in if they want to leave.Sean_F said:
Tory Leavers are about a third of the voters, so plainly not that toxic.Stark_Dawning said:
The Tory Leavers are now toxic nationally. By keeping them on some kind of leash, Theresa is at least getting a bit of respect. Were she to go and a Leaver take over, then the country's disgust and fury would know no limits. The Tory Leavers make Corbyn look palatable.collegeman7 said:Please explain how by ousting May the Brexiteers in the Tory party are making it more likely that Corbyn will be PM.
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Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?0 -
Well saidRoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?0 -
The Tories are obviously not going to win diehard Remainers however long they spend on the doorstep but some of them will go LD not Labour.IanB2 said:
Anything could happen translates as Labour is bound to win.HYUFD said:
Actually I spent half of Saturday canvassing in Blackheath so I suggest you don't be so presumptive!IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
I am not saying the Tories are going to win Lewisham East but as they normally get about 20-30% of the vote in the constituency if a lot of the Labour vote went LD and it becomes a 3-way race anything could happen, especially if it is a low turnout
The Tories will be lucky to come second. Ringing the doorbell isn't sufficient; you need to listen to what people say to you on the doorstep.
If the 2/3 of voters in the seat who voted Remain split equally between Labour and the LDs and the Tories win almost all the 1/3 of the voters who voted Leave simple mathematics tells you under FPTP that would be a close result.
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One last thing at the next PB gathering if there was a fire alarm
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The word is "dingleberry"volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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What is "London Proper?". If it's the LCC plus Brent, Haringey, Newham, I'd agree. In the rest of Greater London, the Tories are very competitive.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
Are these the only ERG members in the cabinet?
Michael Gove (DEFRA)
Penny Mordaunt (Internat Devt)
David Gauke (Justice)
Sajid Javid (Home Office)
Andrea Leadsom (Leader of Commons)
Chris Grayling (Transport)0 -
Yes, but this is not too far off the right odds.TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
So in this example I imagine it's just someone who thinks the Tories have greater than 0.1% chance of winning. (And it's not me)
There is some activity on BF that is associated with Indian bookmakers and the like. I don't think that there's a great percentage of such activity which has anything to do with money-laundering. I'd be very interested in any actual examples which suggest the contrary though.
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Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn47sY8gAyURoger said:Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?
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I'm intending to visit Lewisham East on Wednesday. I'll report back to PB if I discover anything interesting about the by-election.0
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He has been making odd noises recently. Is he working up to jumping ship?williamglenn said:0 -
His use of the words 'worst possible' outcome lead me to believe that if that is the outcome being looked for, he might actually back a remain option in a referendum on deal, no deal or stay, which given developments (or lack thereof) is no longer that bad an idea to have all 3 on the table.williamglenn said:0 -
Of all the prominent Leavers I judge that in retrospect he most regrets the campaign.kle4 said:
His use of the words 'worst possible' outcome lead me to believe that if that is the outcome being looked for, he might actually back a remain option in a referendum on deal, no deal or stay, which given developments (or lack thereof) is no longer that bad an idea to have all 3 on the table.williamglenn said:0 -
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said:
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Theresa May kyboshed his chances of a safe seat. She went up in my estimation when she did that.RoyalBlue said:
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said:0 -
I guess you aren't a fan - but yes I can think of quite a few actually in history. He hasn't yet started any questionable wars which have subsequently led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of mostly Muslim people for a start.Roger said:Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?
Being boorish, tweeting things People find offensive and upsetting the rest of the G7 are hardly the worst crimes in the history of humanity.0 -
You have to give him credit for attention to detail.... even in the smaller things, he’s a complete arsehole:Roger said:Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?
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LOL - Love it Guy!CarlottaVance said:Guy Verhofstadt, diplomat
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1005772975893876737?s=21
Trump is such a tool / turd / c*nt! Deserves all the cr*p coming his way.0 -
I should comission polling to settle the eternal "Mendacious or Moron" conundrum I have with Hannah.0
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I believe the meme is “why not both?”.Alistair said:I should comission polling to settle the eternal "Mendacious or Moron" conundrum I have with Hannah.
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I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.0 -
Afraid it is "Dangleberry"Toms said:
The word is "dingleberry"volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Let’s savour this moment of agreementAlastairMeeks said:
Theresa May kyboshed his chances of a safe seat. She went up in my estimation when she did that.RoyalBlue said:
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said: 0 -
July Plot?
,,Es lebe das heilige Brexit!"0 -
We agree a little more often than you suggest!RoyalBlue said:
Let’s savour this moment of agreementAlastairMeeks said:
Theresa May kyboshed his chances of a safe seat. She went up in my estimation when she did that.RoyalBlue said:
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said:0 -
Congrats.bigjohnowls said:In fact won 4 figures today betting on Scotland at various intervals
The under over innings was 235 in over 1
The 15 over under/over score was 64 in over3.
The 30 over under/over score in play score was 170 then 181
The 40 Over in play score was 258
All winners
Always bet against a 4 Yorkshiremen England!!!
Although there were FIVE Yorkshire players in the England team - Bairstow, Root, Willey, Plunkett and Rashid.
I don't know how often that has happened before - probably a few recent ODIs - but there were certainly five Yorkshire players at the Oval in 1938.0 -
Random betting thought: Why are Labour so presumed to lose vote share in Lewisham East? They got 68% last time but are 7/1 to get 70%+ on Thursday. That's despite a rise in the number of super-safe Labour seats of late in their heartlands, and a rise in the Labour share in the Tooting by-election.
Not saying I'd have it odds on, but where is the rationale for a drop in vote share being nearly inevitable coming from?0 -
Don’t tell AC Grayling - I don’t want you to get in trouble for fraternising with the enemyAlastairMeeks said:
We agree a little more often than you suggest!RoyalBlue said:
Let’s savour this moment of agreementAlastairMeeks said:
Theresa May kyboshed his chances of a safe seat. She went up in my estimation when she did that.RoyalBlue said:
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said:
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This seems as good a moment as any to point out I strongly disagree with AC Grayling and Lord Adonis. Because of pb’s userbase, this is not a point I usually get to make.RoyalBlue said:
Don’t tell AC Grayling - I don’t want you to get in trouble for fraternising with the enemyAlastairMeeks said:
We agree a little more often than you suggest!RoyalBlue said:
Let’s savour this moment of agreementAlastairMeeks said:
Theresa May kyboshed his chances of a safe seat. She went up in my estimation when she did that.RoyalBlue said:
Attending a panel session with Hannan at the 2016 Party Conference was enough to convince me that he’s a twerp. He’s never had a job outside journalism or politics, and it really shows.williamglenn said:0 -
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.brendan16 said:
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.0 -
So?another_richard said:
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.brendan16 said:
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.0 -
I don't think Havering likes to be reminded that it's in Greater London. Seriously, the demographics and campaigning style of Andrew Rosindell make it very different to the rest of London.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
As for Lewisham- yes, there's a Conservative-inclined vote left around Blackheath, and another around Catford / Grove Park. Trouble is that it's hard to bag both those votes at once; tickle one and you annoy the other.0 -
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.
So?
Greater London has been a legal entity since 1965.0 -
It seems that people who have lived all their lives in London can be referred to as not 'proper' Londoners.AlastairMeeks said:
So?another_richard said:
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.brendan16 said:
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interesting
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.
Perhaps London is now more of a state of mind than an actual place or it is a Schroedinger's London where its borders can simultaneously stretch to encompass the whole world and shrink to discard Havering and its like.
Surely there must be degrees in 'London Studies' at the more mickey mouse universities ?
If not there might be a whole new opportunity for a Prof. Alastair Meeks.
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Interesting how you dehumanise people based on where they’re born. For most people in London, it’s not where you’re from it’s where you’re at.another_richard said:
It seems that people who have lived all their lives in London can be referred to as not 'proper' Londoners.AlastairMeeks said:
So?another_richard said:
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.brendan16 said:
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interesting
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.
Perhaps London is now more of a state of mind than an actual place or it is a Schroedinger's London where its borders can simultaneously stretch to encompass the whole world and shrink to discard Havering and its like.
Surely there must be degrees in 'London Studies' at the more mickey mouse universities ?
If not there might be a whole new opportunity for a Prof. Alastair Meeks.0 -
There is some dispute over that - but given your preferred word also describes an edible berry (amongst other things...), the former is probably correct.malcolmg said:
Afraid it is "Dangleberry"Toms said:
The word is "dingleberry"volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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Waltham Forest?Sean_F said:
What is "London Proper?". If it's the LCC plus Brent, Haringey, Newham, I'd agree. In the rest of Greater London, the Tories are very competitive.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
Difficult to believe Trump is using the phrase "stabbed in the back", as the front page of the Times is reporting.0
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The Conservatives haven't won in the Lewisham part of Blackheath since about 1990, possibly 1986.Stuartinromford said:
I don't think Havering likes to be reminded that it's in Greater London. Seriously, the demographics and campaigning style of Andrew Rosindell make it very different to the rest of London.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
As for Lewisham- yes, there's a Conservative-inclined vote left around Blackheath, and another around Catford / Grove Park. Trouble is that it's hard to bag both those votes at once; tickle one and you annoy the other.0 -
A remarkable story from 1976 Korea about how pruning a tree almost precipitated nuclear war:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/axe-murder-north-korea-1976/562028/0 -
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.
So?
Greater London has been a legal entity since 1965.
Probably quite a lot of residents of Outer London identify more strongly with their hinterland than with Inner London.0 -
Waltham Forest and Newham were parts of Essex until 1965.Anazina said:
Waltham Forest?Sean_F said:
What is "London Proper?". If it's the LCC plus Brent, Haringey, Newham, I'd agree. In the rest of Greater London, the Tories are very competitive.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
Definitely in the North of the borough.Anazina said:
Waltham Forest?Sean_F said:
What is "London Proper?". If it's the LCC plus Brent, Haringey, Newham, I'd agree. In the rest of Greater London, the Tories are very competitive.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
And how am I dehumanising anyone ?AlastairMeeks said:
Interesting how you dehumanise people based on where they’re born. For most people in London, it’s not where you’re from it’s where you’re at.another_richard said:
It seems that people who have lived all their lives in London can be referred to as not 'proper' Londoners.AlastairMeeks said:
So?another_richard said:
Havering probably has more people who were born in London than some London boroughs have of people who were born in Britain.brendan16 said:
I actually expect that Havering has many if not more true Londoners (who were born and/or grew up there) than much of inner London these days. It is full of people who grew up in boroughs like Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham.RoyalBlue said:
Havering is part of London last time I checked. Or should we only consider those parts of the capital to be ‘London proper’ which happen to share your views on Brexit? The Tories’ secular decline in the capital predates the EU referendum. You can see similar trends in the US.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interesting
More Londoners voted for Brexit than for Sadiq Khan.
Just out of curiosity, were you born and bred in the capital?
Since 1965 Romford is just as much legally London as Westminster or Camden.
Only the sneering liberal chattering classes - who think themselves so superior - would suggest the area isn't London - but that doesn't mean like other parts of the GLA area it doesn't retain allegiances to historic counties like Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex.
Perhaps London is now more of a state of mind than an actual place or it is a Schroedinger's London where its borders can simultaneously stretch to encompass the whole world and shrink to discard Havering and its like.
Surely there must be degrees in 'London Studies' at the more mickey mouse universities ?
If not there might be a whole new opportunity for a Prof. Alastair Meeks.
I didn't refer to 'London proper'.
Nor have I referred to people as 'carrot-munchers' and 'yokels' as you have to those who don't live in London.0 -
Matt very good again.0
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Has he been making accusations about Ed Miliband ?AndyJS said:Difficult to believe Trump is using the phrase "stabbed in the back", as the front page of the Times is reporting.
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Thanks Purple. I've just watched the 40 minute documentary on Mussolini.I knew very little about him other than some art deco buildings. A really interesting story and very well told.Purple said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn47sY8gAyURoger said:Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?
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So Trump's a germophile but not a messophile. Or perhaps after he's torn up some papers he juts his chin and runs out of the room, expecting them to be removed by the time he comes back. Then again, while like Mussolini he hates shaking hands he may not be as great a germophile as he makes out. Perhaps one day Putin will release a tape and we'll find out.Nigelb said:
You have to give him credit for attention to detail.... even in the smaller things, he’s a complete arsehole:Roger said:Has there ever been a more repulsive human being than Donald Trump?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164
Robert Maxwell used to wipe his bum with a towel.
I'm wondering whether Trump will kook out in Singapore.
For goodness sake, the correct word is "dag"! As in "rattle your dags!"Nigelb said:
There is some dispute over that - but given your preferred word also describes an edible berry (amongst other things...), the former is probably correct.malcolmg said:
Afraid it is "Dangleberry"Toms said:
The word is "dingleberry"volcanopete said:The Tory rebels,both pro and anti-EU,are full of wind and piss.May will cling on and on like a hard lump of turd caught up in the hairs around one's rectum.
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I am aware of that.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Waltham Forest and Newham were parts of Essex until 1965.Anazina said:
Waltham Forest?Sean_F said:
What is "London Proper?". If it's the LCC plus Brent, Haringey, Newham, I'd agree. In the rest of Greater London, the Tories are very competitive.IanB2 said:
I draw your attention to the piss and wind related posts below....You don't live in London, and the parts of London nearest to you are areas like Brexit-central Havering. You haven't the slightest clue how badly the Tories' credibility has taken a knocking in London proper.HYUFD said:
If the Tories get a good turnout in their best wards of Grove Park and Blackheath and turnout is poor elsewhere and the rest of the vote is split between Labour and the LDs almost evenly it could get interestingPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that really silly odds though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I offer silly odds and hope that an associate of mine takes the bet.Omnium said:
How does that work for them?TheScreamingEagles said:This is the sort of thing I’d expect Indian match fixing ‘bookies’ to do so they can launder their money.
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1005843906947420162?s=21
When they win, they pay me what's left after the Betfair commission and the other party's 'commission'
Afterall if a 5/1 shot is a valued at 10/1 then that's a bargain.
While the odds of the Tories winning are miniscule is 1000/1 + Betfair commission + intermediate's commission really "silly"? What should the true odds be that makes 1000/1 such good value?0 -
How about using these terms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_London
London bickering makes Yorkshiremen look like amateurs.0
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