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OK so you didn't criticise Carney - excellent. Markets buy on rumour and sell on fact - ie they needed action and Carney's four point plan gave them facts on the ground and they were happy.Philip_Thompson said:
I never criticised him for instituting a Greenspan Put and most criticism I saw from Leavers was that it was unnecessary posturing. If all the market needed to be reassured was a calm statement and a tiny quarter point reduction swiftly reversed then the problems of Brexit can't have been severe.TOPPING said:
very funny.Philip_Thompson said:Carney's rate move. It was a puny quarter point reduction that has already been reversed. Normally moves are at least half a point or if crisis moves are considerably more and aren't reversed so quickly.
GBP's fall. It was forecast as
Farmer featured in the FT - So he's having to pay a bit more than minimum wage and install WiFi in his accomodation to improve workers living conditions? That's a problem?
Carney signalled to the markets that he was ready to act. And you Leavers can't have it both ways - he can't be criticised for instituting a Greenspan Put (as @Charles would have it) and also for it being ineffective as you say.
My own view accords with yours, AAMOF - it did no good in terms of monetary easing, it was pushing at a piece of string in the current environment, but it did signal to the markets that the BoE was all over Brexit and the risks. He also reestablished QE and spent £100bn on the banks.
Not sure about your point about GBP. Project Fear is a crock of shit but a Project Fear prediction came true so we can ignore it??
As for the farmer, as I said - a diminution of our wellbeing.
As for GBP no that's not what I said. What I said was the Project Fear hasn't come true - the only part that has was sterling falling but by less than forecast. You can't then claim that Project Fear didn't come true because sterling fell. That's like me saying its going to rain so heavily tomorrow that your home will be flooded, then it raining but your house not getting flooded (as I was wrong) then me claiming that the only reason your home didn't flood is because it rained taking the moisture out of the air. Err no.
As for the farmer - how are increased wages and better living conditions for workers a diminution of our wellbeing? Unless you want our wellbeing to be based on indentured servitude with poor wages and poor living conditions?
As for the FX - well it's a matter of degree. One person's crash is another's blip. Look at the news programmes (well mocked on The Day Today) talking about how "sterling has plummeted 1%".
Increased wages for everyone! Hurrah! Get in Jezzah! Literally.0 -
Everything is dangerous. And cyclists soon get to know their local blackspots/potholes/etc.David_Evershed said:
Cycling is dangerous, especially in the rain when potholes are filled with water and can't be spotted.TOPPING said:
Get on your...Philip_Thompson said:
Trains are only useful if both your home and your destination are near the station. Great for Metropolitan cities like London, not so great otherwise.SandyRentool said:
If you want to be productive on a journey - catch the train.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
For me its a 40 minute walk to get to the nearest train station. How is that more productive?
Apparently there is no money to re-build local roads and solve the pothole problem because it is all being spent on building vanity projects like HS2.0 -
AIUI, the rest time assumption of 30s at a minor station and 60s at a major one is decades old and Network Rail increasing rest time assumptions for the May timetable was one of the, albeit lesser, drivers of timetable changes.David_Evershed said:
It seems Network Rail (100% government owned) assumed passengers could disembark and embark a lot faster in theory than they can in practice. Hence trains unable to kep to the timetable.Stark_Dawning said:This railway mayhem smacks of a nation preoccupied with Brexit and a government paralysed by it. Sadly there seems no end in sight. We'll be spending years - if not decades - hauling ourselves back to where we were pre-Brexit. Everything else will be left by the wayside. Grim.
Also some train operators are facing work to rule by their unions but failed to allow for this during a changeover to a new timetable which requires more drivers.
Network Rail's deficiencies are not a simple function of public ownership but rather that it retains the very specific culture set at the time of its creation, post Potters Bar, whereby it can close the whole shebang down with near impunity whenever it wants in the name of maximizing safety.
We must remember that one result of that has been that, if my reading is correct*, just a single passenger has died on board a train that has crashed in the following 15 years. I felt the government has lost the plot in 2003, but they either saw a historic opportunity that I didn't or got very lucky.
I do wonder, though, whether there are more compromises on station and line closures that can and should be made by Network Rail to lessen inconvenience.
* There are plenty of other ways of having an accident on the railways, but the narrow 'train crash' reading has value.0 -
off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.0 -
One of the more obvious eccentricities of the Faculty of Advocates is that when advocates want to negotiate they walk together up and down the Great Hall. The rationale is that no one can then overhear more than snippets of the conversation but a few thousand years ago we invented things called doors so I can't help feeling it is simply pretentious.Anazina said:
I do a lot of my best work while walking. I find it's a good time to call my clients – the conversations are often more fruitful than when one is sedentary.DavidL said:
Presumably you will get fitter and spend less time off work with illness?Philip_Thompson said:
Trains are only useful if both your home and your destination are near the station. Great for Metropolitan cities like London, not so great otherwise.SandyRentool said:
If you want to be productive on a journey - catch the train.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
For me its a 40 minute walk to get to the nearest train station. How is that more productive?0 -
One of my father's earliest postings in the Army was at Tewksbury. He told me that the train was not allowed to stop at the station but would slow down to maybe 10mph, the doors would all be slammed open and cases and squaddies would be thrown or jump/roll onto the platform. Maybe this should be reintroduced.Pro_Rata said:
AIUI, the rest time assumption of 30s at a minor station and 60s at a major one is decades old and Network Rail increasing rest time assumptions for the May timetable was one of the, albeit lesser, drivers of timetable changes.David_Evershed said:
It seems Network Rail (100% government owned) assumed passengers could disembark and embark a lot faster in theory than they can in practice. Hence trains unable to kep to the timetable.Stark_Dawning said:This railway mayhem smacks of a nation preoccupied with Brexit and a government paralysed by it. Sadly there seems no end in sight. We'll be spending years - if not decades - hauling ourselves back to where we were pre-Brexit. Everything else will be left by the wayside. Grim.
Also some train operators are facing work to rule by their unions but failed to allow for this during a changeover to a new timetable which requires more drivers.
Network Rail's deficiencies are not a simple function of public ownership but rather that it retains the very specific culture set at the time of its creation, post Potters Bar, whereby it can close the whole shebang down with near impunity whenever it wants in the name of maximizing safety.
We must remember that one result of that has been that, if my reading is correct*, just a single passenger has died on board a train that has crashed in the following 15 years. I felt the government has lost the plot in 2003, but they either saw a historic opportunity that I didn't or got very lucky.
I do wonder, though, whether there are more compromises on station and line closures that can and should be made by Network Rail to lessen inconvenience.
* There are plenty of other ways of having an accident on the railways, but the narrow 'train crash' reading has value.0 -
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
The mayor will just wibble something about Tory Cuts, but it doesn’t matter how many police are in London if they refuse to chase criminals just because they’re on mopeds without helmets.0 -
Democrat 25 pt flip in SD17 in Missouri for anyone betting on the US elections btw.0
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Sadiq did say something -- probably blamed TMay's police cuts but I can't be bothered to look it up. If any politician had a solution that would survive more than 30 seconds thought and a searching interview with Richard Madeley, we'd have heard about it.TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.0 -
5. It increases the throughput of the road because slower moving cars don't need such large gaps between them. Or, more precisely, because the size of the gaps required between the cars is not a linear function of their speed.SandyRentool said:
Having a near-permanent 50 or 60 mph speed limit is, to me, a Good Thing.Anazina said:
Agreed. Smart motorways are a joke. The M1 is nearly always under speed restrictions. A wiser policy would have been to restrict demand, by offering tax breaks to employers along motorway commuting route who offered rotating working from home to their employees. But that would have required imaginative thinking – all too rare among governments both Labour and Tory I am afraid.tlg86 said:
The money spent on managed motorways is a disgrace.Pulpstar said:The astonishing part about the A1 is how there aren't more accidents with people pulling out of petrol stations out onto the road. The slip roads on are near non existant - has it simply not been noted how lethal these are ?
Other than that it is not a bad road - just I feel some of the whole "smart motorway" spending on the M1 is a waste of cash (And unwanted with the nonsense near constant 60 mph limit) and improving the slip roads to a couple of services on the A1 would have been a far better use of cash.
1. Improves fuel economy, therefore reduced emissions.
2. More people switch to the train, as driving takes significantly longer, further reducing emissions and reducing road congestion.
3. For those still driving, flowing at 50 mph is much less stressful than a cavalry charge, hard braking, charge again experience all too common on busy motorways.
4. It annoys 'petrol heads'.0 -
They have a policy of not chasing them ?!Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.0 -
Me too. It’s amazing how little one actually needs ones notes/computer access.Anazina said:
I do a lot of my best work while walking. I find it's a good time to call my clients – the conversations are often more fruitful than when one is sedentary.DavidL said:
Presumably you will get fitter and spend less time off work with illness?Philip_Thompson said:
Trains are only useful if both your home and your destination are near the station. Great for Metropolitan cities like London, not so great otherwise.SandyRentool said:
If you want to be productive on a journey - catch the train.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
For me its a 40 minute walk to get to the nearest train station. How is that more productive?0 -
I think if we copied the Ewoks’ methods for dealing with speeder bikes the issue would diminish quite rapidly.Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
The mayor will just wibble something about Tory Cuts, but it doesn’t matter how many police are in London if they refuse to chase criminals just because they’re on mopeds without helmets.0 -
Yep. A couple of kids got killed in accidents while being chased a year or so ago, so the Met police decided to stop chasing them as a matter of policy.Pulpstar said:
They have a policy of not chasing them ?!Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
So now every gang member in London now goes around on a stolen moped with no helmet with absolute impunity. Hence the explosion of this sort of crime.
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I think if we copied the Ewoks’ methods for dealing with speeder bikes the issue would diminish quite rapidly.Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
The mayor will just wibble something about Tory Cuts, but it doesn’t matter how many police are in London if they refuse to chase criminals just because they’re on mopeds without helmets.0 -
It doesn't. That's why they are doing it. The average journey time is lower as there is less stop-startMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
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It is fast enough at the moment IMO, from York to Kings Cross.David_Evershed said:Those of you in the North only have to wait another 10 years and you will be able to join us in the South even faster by travelling on HS2 (provided you have enough money to buy a single ticket)
1 hour 58 mins .
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Perhaps something for Michael O'Leary to mull over..DavidL said:
One of my father's earliest postings in the Army was at Tewksbury. He told me that the train was not allowed to stop at the station but would slow down to maybe 10mph, the doors would all be slammed open and cases and squaddies would be thrown or jump/roll onto the platform. Maybe this should be reintroduced.Pro_Rata said:
AIUI, the rest time assumption of 30s at a minor station and 60s at a major one is decades old and Network Rail increasing rest time assumptions for the May timetable was one of the, albeit lesser, drivers of timetable changes.David_Evershed said:
It seems Network Rail (100% government owned) assumed passengers could disembark and embark a lot faster in theory than they can in practice. Hence trains unable to kep to the timetable.Stark_Dawning said:This railway mayhem smacks of a nation preoccupied with Brexit and a government paralysed by it. Sadly there seems no end in sight. We'll be spending years - if not decades - hauling ourselves back to where we were pre-Brexit. Everything else will be left by the wayside. Grim.
Also some train operators are facing work to rule by their unions but failed to allow for this during a changeover to a new timetable which requires more drivers.
Network Rail's deficiencies are not a simple function of public ownership but rather that it retains the very specific culture set at the time of its creation, post Potters Bar, whereby it can close the whole shebang down with near impunity whenever it wants in the name of maximizing safety.
We must remember that one result of that has been that, if my reading is correct*, just a single passenger has died on board a train that has crashed in the following 15 years. I felt the government has lost the plot in 2003, but they either saw a historic opportunity that I didn't or got very lucky.
I do wonder, though, whether there are more compromises on station and line closures that can and should be made by Network Rail to lessen inconvenience.
* There are plenty of other ways of having an accident on the railways, but the narrow 'train crash' reading has value.0 -
No inside info, just a feeling that Renault are going to prove themselves over this season and the fact they are a works team. McLaren have been poor all season and Canada is going to be a complete shitshow for them (they will be competing with Williams and Sauber). I doubt Alonso will be interested in signing for 2019 with them which leaves Renault as the only other realistic option, should he want to stay in F1.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, do you have inside info, because that seems like an unusual bet?
No markets as far as I know (I just check Ladbrokes/Betfair though, so they might be up elsewhere).0 -
It's a morality tale. I thought you might struggle with itAlanbrooke said:
perhaps you could explain the significance of thatRoger said:Some politicians are lucky and others aren't.....
Argentina boycotting a football match with Israel to great international acclaim on the same day Theresa May is laying out the red carpet for Benjamin Netanyahu in Downing St......
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I reckon Alonso will join the rumoured McLaren Indycar effort, he really wants to win the 500 and has a pretty good chance of winning Le Mans this year or next.MaxPB said:
No inside info, just a feeling that Renault are going to prove themselves over this season and the fact they are a works team. McLaren have been poor all season and Canada is going to be a complete shitshow for them (they will be competing with Williams and Sauber). I doubt Alonso will be interested in signing for 2019 with them which leaves Renault as the only other realistic option, should he want to stay in F1.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, do you have inside info, because that seems like an unusual bet?
No markets as far as I know (I just check Ladbrokes/Betfair though, so they might be up elsewhere).0 -
If he consulted the leavers on here he would have realised that all he needs to do is build an airport in the office car park.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/NickGibbs/status/1004230896457838592
EDIT: I am sure our car part manufacture and logistics "experts" will be along shortly to tell us the boss of Unipart is wrong...0 -
It is jaw droppingly stupid to describe the EU as more lovely than the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, liberal democracy, the codification of human rights, emancipation, female suffrage, etc etc. I swear Europhilia is a delusion in some of its more hardcore forms.Philip_Thompson said:
No imperialistic. Literally the very thing he's comparing to as the only thing greater in the past two thousand years is the Western Roman Empire. So long as the white Europeans are united then Christendom is and forget about the savages on other continents even if they are Christians.FrankBooth said:
Not imperialistic, just old-fashioned.Philip_Thompson said:
So there's no Christendom in Africa or the rest of the world? How imperialistic.FrankBooth said:
The re-uniting of christendom after a couple of centuries of nationalism.Sean_F said:
Better than democracy, or the abolition of slavery, or capitalism?Charles said:
++Justin can be silly sometimesHYUFD said:Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, comes out as a Remainer 'the EU has been the greatest thing for human beings since the Western Roman Empire'
https://mobile.twitter.com/wareisjoe/status/10039840577876992020 -
Meanwhile, in a racing formula not very far away:
https://twitter.com/alstewitn/status/10043124595561472000 -
Mr. Max, fair enough.
I think Hulkenberg and Sainz is a very good pairing. If Renault can keep both, they will (Sainz to Red Bull is possible if Ricciardo leaves for pastures new). Whilst Alonso's good and I agree with you on Renault's long term possible strength, their current pair of drivers will be around for a lot longer than Alonso.0 -
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The Met does have a point. Even if they caught them what would happen? Two weeks suspension of chocolate rations? And in the meantime how many innocent pedestrians get ploughed into the pavement? As for Michael McIntyre: who cares? I never found him remotely funny and he can afford it!Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
The mayor will just wibble something about Tory Cuts, but it doesn’t matter how many police are in London if they refuse to chase criminals just because they’re on mopeds without helmets.0 -
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It depends how heavily used the road is. If traffic is light, then lower speed limits obviously do add to journey times. However, as the road becomes more congested, they do indeed reduce average journey times by making more efficient use of the road space and thus increasing throughput.Scott_P said:
It doesn't. That's why they are doing it. The average journey time is lower as there is less stop-startMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
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Will the Daily Hate be able to fit mugshots of all those tories on its front page and get 72 point bold 'Traitors' sub-heading fitted on?0
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And if the traffic is light, the speed restrictions are liftedFeersumEnjineeya said:It depends how heavily used the road is. If traffic is light, then lower speed limits obviously do add to journey times. However, as the road becomes more congested, they do indeed reduce average journey times by making more efficient use of the road space and thus increasing throughput.
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Seems events at Westminster are moving fast. I have to go out now. So play nicely.0
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The usual suspects? The dirty dozen?Scott_P said:
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Speaking as a member of the pedestrians' union, I like gaps in traffic. It is far harder to cross the road if rain, temporary speed limits or just congestion slow traffic and the gaps disappear.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It depends how heavily used the road is. If traffic is light, then lower speed limits obviously do add to journey times. However, as the road becomes more congested, they do indeed reduce average journey times by making more efficient use of the road space and thus increasing throughput.Scott_P said:
It doesn't. That's why they are doing it. The average journey time is lower as there is less stop-startMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, also adds to journey time, decreasing productivity.
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One might have expected an Archbishop to rate the conversion of England more highly than the creation of the EU.Elliot said:
It is jaw droppingly stupid to describe the EU as more lovely than the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, liberal democracy, the codification of human rights, emancipation, female suffrage, etc etc. I swear Europhilia is a delusion in some of its more hardcore forms.Philip_Thompson said:
No imperialistic. Literally the very thing he's comparing to as the only thing greater in the past two thousand years is the Western Roman Empire. So long as the white Europeans are united then Christendom is and forget about the savages on other continents even if they are Christians.FrankBooth said:
Not imperialistic, just old-fashioned.Philip_Thompson said:
So there's no Christendom in Africa or the rest of the world? How imperialistic.FrankBooth said:
The re-uniting of christendom after a couple of centuries of nationalism.Sean_F said:
Better than democracy, or the abolition of slavery, or capitalism?Charles said:
++Justin can be silly sometimesHYUFD said:Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, comes out as a Remainer 'the EU has been the greatest thing for human beings since the Western Roman Empire'
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Mr Dawning,
"As for Michael McIntyre: who cares? I never found him remotely funny and he can afford it!"
Cruel, but true.
I'm always puzzled my the reluctance to chase criminals in case they hurt themselves. It gives them free rein. Yes, I know they could hurt innocent people but they hardly obey the highway code even when not chased.0 -
JCWNFFI (Jeremy Corbyn Will Never Fall For It)rottenborough said:0 -
If you are right then some sort of AI on speed or cctv cameras to alert police that helmetless riders are descending on Bond Street jewellers will fix this particular crimewave.Sandpit said:
Yep. A couple of kids got killed in accidents while being chased a year or so ago, so the Met police decided to stop chasing them as a matter of policy.Pulpstar said:
They have a policy of not chasing them ?!Sandpit said:
The only way the situation with the moped gangs is going to change, is if the police reverse their policy of not chasing them. I can’t see the bleeding hearts in charge of the Met going for that, but surely public opinion must now be close to tipping point on the issue?TOPPING said:off topic (not that I can remember what the topic was/is):
The whole explosion in moped crime thing is a gift waiting to be claimed for either current or future Mayoral candidates in many cities, London in particular.
Surprised we've heard nothing from Sadiq about it, especially with high profile victims such as Michael McIntyre.
So now every gang member in London now goes around on a stolen moped with no helmet with absolute impunity. Hence the explosion of this sort of crime.
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Super waffle by Tezza and this after commentators saying Jezza wouldn’t lead on Brexit.0
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Sorry but thats pretty weak from May.0
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PMQs: Does May EVER answer Jezza's questions?0
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Jezza in control.
Never has the opposition/enemy observation been so well illustrated.
And a good joke by Jezza! Oh end of days!!0 -
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instead of (or as well as) a massive infrastructure spending spree in the North, how about cutting taxes for poorer areas. A few taxes that could be reduced:
Employers/employees national insurance contributions
Business rates
PAYE rates (maybe another £5k tax free threshold)
Council tax
Get people and businesses wanting to move up North and the case for better infrastructure becomes a lot stronger.0 -
Any posted this yet https://www.citymetric.com/transport/so-why-northern-rail-chaos-here-are-11-reasons-3952
Why the Northern Rail disaster was inevitable...0 -
OMG! She just did!SandyRentool said:PMQs: Does May EVER answer Jezza's questions?
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Jezza on fire!!0
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That list of delayed projects has nowt to do with Brexit and everything to do with contractors leaving HMRC when the IR35 public sector changes were announced...Scott_P said:0 -
It won't because Labour Leave backers like Hoey, Field and Mann and Stringer and Hopkins would still vote against the ERA not forgetting most Labour seats voted Leave largely to end free movement and membership of the ERA prevents thatScott_P said:0 -
On the "in the Mail (of all papers)" point.Scott_P said:
Always worth checking the publication date of pro-EU stories on the Mail website. They'll either be April 1, or more likely (as in this case) any Saturday night or Sunday morning when the pro-Europe Mail on Sunday uploads its stuff
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Where's Big G to call a PMQ victory for May?0
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Just listening to PMQ's on my return from holiday and TM was poor simply because she has no agreed position. The problem is no one else has.
I am heading up to God's own Country tomorrow visiting family and when I return I will contribute more but politics seems to be in utter chaos and only hope next week's votes may help to change the narrative0 -
Been on holiday but following post to yours. And yes she is utterly uninspiring and must be under threat but as I said, more from me next weekDura_Ace said:Where's Big G to call a PMQ victory for May?
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This can't go on. Theresa can't allow Jezza to strut around being all soft Brexity and, ergo, business and prosperity's friend. Theresa needs to adopt an ultra-continentalist approach, and if that means exiling Rees-Mogg to Trump's America then so be it!0
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Agree with youStark_Dawning said:This can't go on. Theresa can't allow Jezza to strut around being all soft Brexity and, ergo, business and prosperity's friend. Theresa needs to adopt an ultra-continentalist approach, and if that means exiling Rees-Mogg to Trump's America then so be it!
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Corbyn is not soft Brexit at all as Leslie and Umunna have shown this morning Labour is deeply divided over Corbyn's refusal to endorse continued UK membership of the EEA and May and Corbyn both know most Labour seats voted Leave largely to end freedom of movement which EEA membership preventsStark_Dawning said:This can't go on. Theresa can't allow Jezza to strut around being all soft Brexity and, ergo, business and prosperity's friend. Theresa needs to adopt an ultra-continentalist approach, and if that means exiling Rees-Mogg to Trump's America then so be it!
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We were told only a couple of days back that 1.41 was fill your boots value...Pulpstar said:
I think GOP control for the senate is probably now a lay at 1.39.Pulpstar said:Democrat 25 pt flip in SD17 in Missouri for anyone betting on the US elections btw.
Meantime, the Democrats aren't exactly free of missteps:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/sen-bob-menendezs-poor-primary-showing-creates-a-new-headache-for-democrats-in-new-jersey.html?0 -
If we had the mentality of China, we’d be building TWO runways at Heathrow to cope with future increase demand, plus another one a Gatwick and one somewhere in the North. We have a bad habit of building infrastructure that is immediately at 99% capacity because we think far too short term and allow NIMBYs to make construction time consuming and expensiveDavidL said:
Heathrow expansion is more than 20 years overdue but I never really followed why it was an alternative to Gatwick or other regional expansion. We need both right now. We certainly will need them desperately by the time the Heathrow expansion is built.Pulpstar said:
Heathrow is WAY overdue, and other regional airports should be expanded too. Why give the Dutch extra business with Schipol connections ?Sandpit said:
Indeed. Heathrow is so congested that every time there’s some morning fog in the winter, half of BA’s domestic schedule gets binned for the day. I imagine that MPs from northern constituencies notice this personally.Rogueywon said:Worth noting that the detailed analysis done on Heathrow expansion by Government and its commissions showed that while the "pain" of Heathrow expansion falls squarely on London and the South East through noise and air pollution, the economic benefits are fairly evenly spread across most of the country. Most of the regional airports (other than Birmingham, which is too close to London to benefit from it) support Heathrow expansion as it benefits their onward connectivity, as do the more serious regional government bodies.
Crossrail and the like do indeed primarily benefit Londoners and commuters, but Heathrow is in a different category. The government will be depending on votes from the SNP and Labour MPs from the North to get it across the line in a vote.
Meanwhile KLM and Emirates operate to most of the regional airports and take a considerable amount of long haul passengers (and APD) away.0 -
No one else is PM. Yet.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just listening to PMQ's on my return from holiday and TM was poor simply because she has no agreed position. The problem is no one else has...
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Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
Cameron, by contrast, was the consummate swan. He hardly ever allowed the complications to show.
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"...detailed, ambitious and precise..."
Proving yet again that, in politics, words mean exactly the opposite of their regular meaning.0 -
It was Cameron's failure to deal with the complications of getting a deal with the EU which cost Remain the referendum and ended his premiershipFenster said:Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
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It was Cameron's failure to deal with the complications of getting a deal with the EU which cost Remain the referendum and ended his premiershipFenster said:Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
Cameron, by contrast, was the consummate swan. He hardly ever allowed the complications to show.0 -
We've missed you Big_G! The voice of loyal but concerned Conservatism.Big_G_NorthWales said: 0 -
This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.0
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Mr. Xenon, welcome to PB.0
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Strength?Yorkcity said:
That was a terrible Pmqs for May.TOPPING said:Super waffle by Tezza and this after commentators saying Jezza wouldn’t lead on Brexit.
On what should be her strength Brexit.
Brexit is a curse on the Tory Party - Euroscepticism has brought down the last three Tory PMs, May will certainly be the fourth PM to fall victim and the whole country is now caught up in the maelstrom.0 -
... and there'll be even less money to pay for it.Xenon said:instead of (or as well as) a massive infrastructure spending spree in the North, how about cutting taxes for poorer areas. A few taxes that could be reduced:
Employers/employees national insurance contributions
Business rates
PAYE rates (maybe another £5k tax free threshold)
Council tax
Get people and businesses wanting to move up North and the case for better infrastructure becomes a lot stronger.0 -
I don't disagree. But May's discomfort is written all over her face and as a leader she needs to be better at concealing.HYUFD said:
It was Cameron's failure to deal with the complications of getting a deal with the EU which cost Remain the referendum and ended his premiershipFenster said:Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
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Maybe but no PM is going to find it easy getting any sort of deal with Juncker and BarnierFenster said:
I don't disagree. But May's discomfort is written all over her face and as a leader she needs to be better at concealing.HYUFD said:
It was Cameron's failure to deal with the complications of getting a deal with the EU which cost Remain the referendum and ended his premiershipFenster said:Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
Cameron, by contrast, was the consummate swan. He hardly ever allowed the complications to show.0 -
To befair , Corbyn pressed her to trigger it from the start. so they're in that error together,SouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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Thanks Ben and yes I am concernedBenpointer said:
Our cruise demonstrated the advantages of using the euro in the main, 4G roaming was amazing considering the ships satellite internet charges, and of course health care, though we did not need it.
Personally I want to have a deal that keeps us close but then I am for immigration, though controlled, and see the many advantages of close ties with Europe0 -
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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I think the 17m who voted Leave were entitled to assume the government knew it's arse from its elbow and would have some kind of coherent plan (or even objective) before actually triggering Article 50!HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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I think the other source of mess- at least on the political side- is that the referendum was not more specific about what we were voting for. It could have been designed so that the official Leave campaign would be responsible for producing a one-page statement of negotiating objectives, red lines, etc. at the beginning of the campaignSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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+1 Which is why Cameron has to join the list go 'Guilty Men' when the full history gets written.Stereotomy said:
I think the other source of mess- at least on the political side- is that the referendum was not more specific about what we were voting for. It could have been designed so that the official Leave campaign would be responsible for producing a one-page statement of negotiating objectives, red lines, etc. at the beginning of the campaignSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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Correct. 17 million people voted to leave the EU and enter a world in which the UK would get all the benefits of membership but none of the costs, vast amounts would be invested in the NHS and the EU would give us a simple, cost-free Brexit.HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
But the world they voted for is a fantasy and cannot be made into reality simply by voting for it.0 -
Cameron is responsible for putting the idea of the referendum on the agenda.Benpointer said:
+1 Which is why Cameron has to join the list go 'Guilty Men' when the full history gets written.Stereotomy said:
I think the other source of mess- at least on the political side- is that the referendum was not more specific about what we were voting for. It could have been designed so that the official Leave campaign would be responsible for producing a one-page statement of negotiating objectives, red lines, etc. at the beginning of the campaignSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
Osbourne can share the blame for that and for attacking the Lib Dem seats in the 2015 election that led to the actual win, given that the referendum was supposed to die in the coalition negotiation.0 -
No they didn't. And given you didn't vote Leave you are in no position to make those claims. Like so many Remoaners you speak from a position of ignorance.anothernick said:
Correct. 17 million people voted to leave the EU and enter a world in which the UK would get all the benefits of membership but none of the costs, vast amounts would be invested in the NHS and the EU would give us a simple, cost-free Brexit.HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
But the world they voted for is a fantasy and cannot be made into reality simply by voting for it.0 -
Jezza murders May again at PMQs on BREXIT
TM must be a severe source of embarrassment for PB Tories.
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May called a snap election because she believed her stance on Brexit , would give her a massive majority.anothernick said:
Strength?Yorkcity said:
That was a terrible Pmqs for May.TOPPING said:Super waffle by Tezza and this after commentators saying Jezza wouldn’t lead on Brexit.
On what should be her strength Brexit.
Brexit is a curse on the Tory Party - Euroscepticism has brought down the last three Tory PMs, May will certainly be the fourth PM to fall victim and the whole country is now caught up in the maelstrom.
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16 Months since A50 still no White Paper
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They did not vote for it to be triggered precipitously before the government had the first clue about what leaving actually entailed or how it might be done without inflicting substantial harm.HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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Yes I am so embarrassed the Tories still lead Labour even with Survation and May still leads Corbyn as best PM in every poll.bigjohnowls said:Jezza murders May again at PMQs on BREXIT
TM must be a severe source of embarrassment for PB Tories.
When will she be put out of her misery?
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Boris said we shouldn't rush:HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
“The only change — and it will not come in any great rush — is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation,” Johnson wrote in his column for the Daily Telegraph.
“EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU,” wrote Johnson, the former mayor of London and a favourite to succeed the outgoing Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron.
“British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and settle down,” he said.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1131059/uk-trigger-article-50-leave-eu-ready/0 -
All she needs to do is what the Italians are gonna spend the next few years doing. Ignore them, flout their rules and basically laugh at their demands. The EU only has as much power as we allow it to have. The French ignore them too.HYUFD said:
Maybe but no PM is going to find it easy getting any sort of deal with Juncker and BarnierFenster said:
I don't disagree. But May's discomfort is written all over her face and as a leader she needs to be better at concealing.HYUFD said:
It was Cameron's failure to deal with the complications of getting a deal with the EU which cost Remain the referendum and ended his premiershipFenster said:Politics is a tormentingly complicated business and one of May's failures as a leader is to allow all those complications to show on her face/in her words.
Cameron, by contrast, was the consummate swan. He hardly ever allowed the complications to show.0 -
May was very poor at PMQs. She is running out of room to kick the can for much longer. It feels like things will have to come to a head soon.0
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It was the Leave campaign who were supposed to have a clear plan, the PM and Cabinet at the time backed RemainBenpointer said:
I think the 17m who voted Leave were entitled to assume the government knew it's arse from its elbow and would have some kind of coherent plan (or even objective) before actually triggering Article 50!HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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Abolutely. Both Remain and Leave had their own reasons for not wanting to do this, but it was extraordinarily irresponsible.Benpointer said:
+1 Which is why Cameron has to join the list go 'Guilty Men' when the full history gets written.Stereotomy said:
I think the other source of mess- at least on the political side- is that the referendum was not more specific about what we were voting for. It could have been designed so that the official Leave campaign would be responsible for producing a one-page statement of negotiating objectives, red lines, etc. at the beginning of the campaignSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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The posts you're responding to are talking about the decision on WHEN to invoke A50.HYUFD said:
It was the Leave campaign who were supposed to have a clear plan, the PM and Cabinet at the time backed RemainBenpointer said:
I think the 17m who voted Leave were entitled to assume the government knew it's arse from its elbow and would have some kind of coherent plan (or even objective) before actually triggering Article 50!HYUFD said:
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that factSouthamObserver said:This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
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Brexit is like the bathtub ring in "The Cat in the Hat Comes Back"anothernick said:
Strength?Yorkcity said:
That was a terrible Pmqs for May.TOPPING said:Super waffle by Tezza and this after commentators saying Jezza wouldn’t lead on Brexit.
On what should be her strength Brexit.
Brexit is a curse on the Tory Party - Euroscepticism has brought down the last three Tory PMs, May will certainly be the fourth PM to fall victim and the whole country is now caught up in the maelstrom.
Everything and every little Cat recruited to clear it up just makes it worse. The difference is that there is no Voom at the end.0
