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As a house husband, second.0
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Thanks. Yeah, I think it was noted in the comments yesterday how leading some of the questions were.0
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It's a wonder that Trump didn't sign the letter Real Donald Trump.0
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A massive and powerful fourth0
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Given Hemmling's comments, maybe you should change your Avatar to the Gimp from Pulp Fiction.JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
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FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.
Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.
I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.
Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?
The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?
Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.0 -
I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?0
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Was sorry to read that nasty comment on the other thread.JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
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Mr. rkrkrk, just gone back to check, and quite agree with you.0
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Pollsters are generally pretty legit....the questions their clients get them to ask....and the order they are asked in is fair game....they usually exercise a moderating influence on the questions - and in fairness to this poll, I've seen a lot worse....tlg86 said:I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?
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Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.tlg86 said:I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?
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Pollster sure, but I think we should be free to question the motives of whoever commissioned the poll. This poll for the Mail being a pretty good example of it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.tlg86 said:I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?
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The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.0 -
Surely the motive of pollsters is the same of the sex and legal industries... getting paid by their clientsTheScreamingEagles said:
Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.tlg86 said:I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?
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rottenborough said:
The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Trying to betray Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways
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Future UK participation in Galileo is a strategic choice which will have a permanent effect on our future defence and defence industrial collaboration;
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/710790/FINAL_GALILEO.pdf0 -
It was indeed.rkrkrk said:
Was sorry to read that nasty comment on the other thread.JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
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I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.
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CarlottaVance said:
Future UK participation in Galileo is a strategic choice which will have a permanent effect on our future defence and defence industrial collaboration;
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/710790/FINAL_GALILEO.pdf
"This will not be straightforward, but the UK will enter these negotiations in good faith, and we do not believe there are any insurmountable challenges"
Does the EU acting like a-holes count as an insurmountable challenge?
Just asking.
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You do know that said everything about the poster and nothing about you, don't you?JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
Wear your badge with pride!
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If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.0 -
Did this not happen in 2007?TheScreamingEagles said:I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.
https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21
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I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.0 -
It's remarkable just how much Leavers hate Britain. There's barely any of it as it currently exists that they don't want to destroy.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
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What, simply trying is enough to wreck the country? Bye-bye free speech then!MarkHopkins said:rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Trying to betray Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways
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You're OK man.JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
I was trying to describe that comment. For some reason the phrase "reflexively rebarbative" entered my brain. What the heck does that say about me I wonder.0 -
"It would be wrong to thwart Mike Smithson's membership of the House of Lords."
Agree - 99.98%
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The biggest issue with Athens was the piss poor turnstiles.tlg86 said:
Did this not happen in 2007?TheScreamingEagles said:I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.
https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21
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Mr. Meeks, generalisations are always wrong.0
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A report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies warns that all but two countries in Europe, the UK and France, are outspent by BAE, Lockheed Martin and Boeing when it comes to military research and development.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/iiss-report-three-defence-companies-each-spent-more-on-defence-rd-than-all-but-two-european-countries/0 -
The game is afoot. Some have cottoned onto what it means to have an old fool style socialism that Corbyn etc are looking for. They're serious. Socialism in the form of state aid has slowly been wiped out sector by sector across the EU. It would be an irony for the nation that Thatcherised the whole of a continent to turn itself back into the sick man of Europe.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.0 -
I prefer bicameralism myself, especially as - unusually in the UK - the legislature is also the executive.Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.0 -
I believe the statement yesterday did say they would replace it.Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.0 -
JackW said:
"It would be wrong to thwart Mike Smithson's membership of the House of Lords."
Agree - 99.98%
Disagree - 0.02% (N. Farage)
That should be:
Agree - 10%
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Disagree - 90%
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How is that taking back control?CarlottaVance said:0 -
He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9996671810832957440 -
Very goodMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, generalisations are always wrong.
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Jeremy Corbyn: “It is a democratic necessity to abolish the unelected and outdated House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber."Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/23/all-future-labour-peers-must-back-abolition-of-lords-says-corbyn0 -
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Mr. P, should stand her in good stead in this constituency. When UKIP was riding high it got several thousand (I think) votes.0
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Surely it should be: “It would be wrong for the House of Lords to try to thwart Brexit."0
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I certainly hold a grievance against folk who through ignorance or luddism refuse to use the quote system, particularly when it's a reply to a post not even on this thread.Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.
Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.
I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.
Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?
The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?
Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.0 -
The NEC is elected, perhaps that would do for Corbyn.rkrkrk said:
Jeremy Corbyn: “It is a democratic necessity to abolish the unelected and outdated House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber."Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/23/all-future-labour-peers-must-back-abolition-of-lords-says-corbyn0 -
May, when it comes to shove, is more likely to disappointment the likes of Clark, Morgan etc because, unlike the more hard-line Brexiteers, they cannot raise the numbers to challenge her.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, should stand her in good stead in this constituency. When UKIP was riding high it got several thousand (I think) votes.
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And buttler gone....0
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"If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit..." Jeez!CarlottaVance said:He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9996671810832957440 -
Hope nobody day 4 tickets for the test, because you aren’t going to see anything.0
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I agree in principle, but we have also developed a close-to-unicameral approach which commands broad public understanding and (I would argue) acceptance.rcs1000 said:
I prefer bicameralism myself, especially as - unusually in the UK - the legislature is also the executive.Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
Replacement is a far more radical policy than abolition, though I expect vastly more column inches would be used on the abolition bit...0 -
The 1911 Parliament Act. This, from the Introductory Text:Tissue_Price said:
Who said anything about replacement?rkrkrk said:
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
"whereas it is intended to substitute for the House of Lords as it at present exists a Second Chamber constituted on a popular instead of hereditary basis, but such substitution cannot be immediately brought into operation"
107 years and counting ...
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I think the real target of this might be China. One of the levers China had in their trade talks with Trump was their leverage over Kim. Pulling out unilaterally either says to China "sort your man out, or get him out" or "we have less reason to conciliate on trade"Benpointer said:
"If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit..." Jeez!CarlottaVance said:He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9996671810832957440 -
IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.0
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That's why I never fly commercial.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.
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Yep, and those opposed to it then are singing the praises now. It's a colossal waste of money in my view.AndyJS said:IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.
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Mr. Divvie, the eccentricity of the English is why those on the Autism Spectrum fare better here than in any other country. As such, I feel no need to alter my endearingly old-fashioned perspective, and shall withhold complimentary snuff from anyone who disagrees.0
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Given pretty much all military R&D is done by those three companies, then there is going to be a certain amount of inevitability about that. (Plus EADS.)CarlottaVance said:A report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies warns that all but two countries in Europe, the UK and France, are outspent by BAE, Lockheed Martin and Boeing when it comes to military research and development.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/iiss-report-three-defence-companies-each-spent-more-on-defence-rd-than-all-but-two-european-countries/0 -
What was the question in the Anschluss referendum that the Mail’s one-time friends asked?AndyJS said:IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.
For the sake of clarity, I’m all in favour of Lords reform, but not because of this. I suspect a properly reformed Second Chamber would do very much what the current HoL is doing now.0 -
Embarrassingly shit by England.0
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Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!David_Evershed said:England collapse.
180 for 9
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Nice to know it's just a normal summer as far as the England cricket team is concerned.David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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It isnt like they are facing waqar, wasim, mushaq type attack.David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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England BREXIT for 184 ....0
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I see that David Davis has been added to the enemies of Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Is Cummings an outrider for Johnson/Gove?
I am up to the bit in Fall Out where they briefly considered putting the band back together after the disastrous 2017 election.0 -
Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
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It's the hope that kills you.OldKingCole said:
Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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I’m Essex; hope worked last year!David_Evershed said:
It's the hope that kills you.OldKingCole said:
Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!David_Evershed said:England collapse.
180 for 9
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Drop Cook NOW!David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144
First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.0 -
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
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Irony’s difficult to post.Stark_Dawning said:
Drop Cook NOW!David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
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Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps HenleyPulpstar said:
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144 0 -
It'll definitely be in the home counties or outer London.Pro_Rata said:
Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps HenleyPulpstar said:
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/9996754784652861440 -
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/9996764828962201600 -
Do they sell such attire in Primari?JackW said:
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/9996764828962201600 -
Actually looking back at my GE17 spreadsheet it might be Esher and Walton. Or possibly Hunt's constituency.0
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He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.JackW said:
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160
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Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.Pro_Rata said:
Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps HenleyPulpstar said:
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/9996754784652861440 -
Thank heavens we played a 'specialist' number 7...David_Evershed said:England collapse.
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Shoes are way too subdued.JackW said:
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
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They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union isTheKitchenCabinet said:
If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
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I see your Northamptonshire South and raise you a North East SomersetTissue_Price said:
Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.Pro_Rata said:
Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps HenleyPulpstar said:
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
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Since the Lords are mostly old, shouldn't they be Leave supporters?not_on_fire said:
They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union isTheKitchenCabinet said:
If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.0 -
I'd heard TSE can put it away ....OldKingCole said:
He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.JackW said:
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160
Not totally sure we can afford the booze!0 -
Oh ye of little faith. Pakistan 12-1
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Doubtful -Pro_Rata said:
I see your Northamptonshire South and raise you a North East SomersetTissue_Price said:
Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.Pro_Rata said:
Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps HenleyPulpstar said:
Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19nmsiGcSCIGWDZJ-YJJYxAwracXkWi-_4jY22XsW_7k/edit#gid=743365475
Thats my very iffy method (Sheet S3 remain).
Doesn't scale by 2017 result or absolute vote where Leadsom possibly overtakes Hunt or something.0 -
Don't get me started on the "Rough Wooing" !Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.
Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.
I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.
Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?
The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?
Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.0 -
Well, there's not a badge per se; just bags under my eyes, constant tiredness and frayed nerves ...CarlottaVance said:
You do know that said everything about the poster and nothing about you, don't you?JosiasJessop said:As a house husband, second.
Wear your badge with pride!
And that's only with one child, who is mostly well-behaved and (almost) always fun to be around. I look at the parents with three, four or more kids as superheroes ...0 -
One minute he is ready for a love-in, next he is ready to hit the big red button...you have to presume it was more than Donald got out of the wrong side of the bed surely? Have little rocket man been up to something naughty?
The US president says he has spoken to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and allied countries and they are "ready" should North Korea carry out "foolish acts".
He says he is "hopeful" that positive steps can be made but says that if not, "we are more ready than we have ever been before".
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I thought it was against his religion? But he’d be very welcome. The beer tent at this game is excellent.JackW said:
I'd heard TSE can put it away ....OldKingCole said:
He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.JackW said:
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....FrancisUrquhart said:I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...
https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160
Not totally sure we can afford the booze!0 -
There are ways and means of doing so. It is as if I went to my boss to disagree about a point. I could say "what about if we think about things this way?" or "you are a f**king idiot, this will be a disaster and I know right". The Lords are acting in the second way when they should be acting in the first.not_on_fire said:
They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union isTheKitchenCabinet said:
If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".rottenborough said:The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.0
