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Cable is only on -8 because 92% of the population didn't know who he was, while the other 8% thought him a tosser.

How long before the usual suspect pops up to tell us to ignore all mid-term polling because it is totally useless?

FrankBooth said:

rcs1000 said:

Cable is only on -8 because 92% of the population didn't know who he was, while the other 8% thought him a tosser.

I suspect he is quite well known actually. I'm sorry to say that your hostility hardly surprises me and you dislike Cable because the city boys have been losing the argument for 10 years. Deal with it or come up with a more popular prospectus.

He drones. That is my objection.

CON 43 (+3)
LAB 39 (-1)

There is a legitimate criticism to be made of Vince that he appears to have made a volte face on a second referendum since becoming Lib Dem leader.

AndyJS said:

13 Con poll leads in a row.

They should call an election!

We don’t like politicians much do we? Another thing the great British public get right.

I remember the days when Mrs May had a 69% lead over Mr Corbyn.

Within weeks he had a 4% lead.

Benpointer said:

AndyJS said:

13 Con poll leads in a row.

They should call an election!

Con Maj Nailed On!

Labour will have to disband!

What a miserable git....

It was Labour MP Dennis Skinner who perhaps best captured the caustic mood of those left cold by the happy couple’s big day. Posting a “do not disturb sign” on his Twitter account, the Beast of Bolsover, displayed a four point checklist: “Newspaper in the bin. CHECK; TV unplugged. CHECK; Radio, batteries removed. CHECK; Twitter feed disabled. CHECK; Have a lovely day.”

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm quite disappointed by this wedding, where was the Pippa Middleton de nos jours?

They learned from last time.

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Is that not a tad shall we a say condescending...if I told mrs urquhart I could
Help her unlock her talent, I will be sleeping outside with the dog (if I am lucky), or be looking for a new significant other (if she isn’t feeling so generous).

TheScreamingEagles said:

I remember the days when Mrs May had a 69% lead over Mr Corbyn.

Within weeks he had a 4% lead.

But that process has now happened and things have realigned. It is not as if Corbyn is coming as a surprise package any longer.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

It is that sort of facile, patronising identity politics that is damaging the Left. They need to start looking at unlocking the potential of individuals based on their talents not their skin colour.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Is that not a tad shall we a say condescending

I believe James Cleverly spent the afternoon that came out tweeting photos of Tory BAME candidates who hadn't needed Labour to unlock their talent.

Even a super lefty friend of mine thought it a very ill judged message, although clearly it didn't harm them any, and it's not like any political party gets all its messages right, the Tories certainly do not.

FrancisUrquhart said:

What a miserable git....

It was Labour MP Dennis Skinner who perhaps best captured the caustic mood of those left cold by the happy couple’s big day. Posting a “do not disturb sign” on his Twitter account, the Beast of Bolsover, displayed a four point checklist: “Newspaper in the bin. CHECK; TV unplugged. CHECK; Radio, batteries removed. CHECK; Twitter feed disabled. CHECK; Have a lovely day.”

You know Mr Skinner, you could have just gone outside, or read a book, you didn't need to unplug everything. And why buy a paper in the first place if you intended to throw it away?
Wouldn't a more powerful and effective demonstration of not being interested in the royal wedding have been to just not mention it, and go about your day?

Could have been worse, he could have called her a completely different name like Stormy,

https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/997911666716217344

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Though she didnt break through in Britain, she broke through in Obama's USA. .

I would say the first mixed race member of the British royal family is breaking Britain by any definition, following on of course from the first BAME Home Secretary being a Tory

The first? You're showing your ignorance.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was the first mixed race member of the British Royal Family.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm quite disappointed by this wedding, where was the Pippa Middleton de nos jours?

The Rev Michael Curry?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just imagine how far I could have gone if Jeremy Corbyn had helped unlock my talent.

You'd have overthrown OGH as Editor?

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Though she didnt break through in Britain, she broke through in Obama's USA. .

I would say the first mixed race member of the British royal family is breaking Britain by any definition, following on of course from the first BAME Home Secretary being a Tory

The first? You're showing your ignorance.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was the first mixed race member of the British Royal Family.

She was?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Though she didnt break through in Britain, she broke through in Obama's USA. .

I would say the first mixed race member of the British royal family is breaking Britain by any definition, following on of course from the first BAME Home Secretary being a Tory

The first? You're showing your ignorance.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was the first mixed race member of the British Royal Family.

I don't think being the daughter of the Duke of a small north German duchy quite counts as mixed race

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm quite disappointed by this wedding, where was the Pippa Middleton de nos jours?

I'm sure I spotted Camilla

kle4 said:

When will someone help me, a member of the white lower middle classes, unlock my talent? Or more to the point, who will help me if I have no talent to unlock?

The Tory Party, we made IDS leader, a man no talents.

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

Benpointer said:

Tories beginning to draw ahead in the polls as May pursues an ever softer Brexit. Fancy that!

It is a little baffling, frankly. Not because of the soft brexit thing - I'd have said at the time that most (though not all) remain supporters would presumably prefer a softer brexit, and some number of Leave supporters would too, so something that could be portrayed as soft would probably gain more support - but because she has looked so weak and shambolic, and the Tories so stupidly divided, that eking out a lead just seems so strange.

Benpointer said:

oxfordsimon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I remember the days when Mrs May had a 69% lead over Mr Corbyn.

Within weeks he had a 4% lead.

But that process has now happened and things have realigned. It is not as if Corbyn is coming as a surprise package any longer.

Haha - please keep on believing that pal!

It is not about believing it - it is about accepting the current realities. The next election will not be a rerun of the 2017 campaign. What happened then won't happen next time round.

Any assumption that Corbyn will see a similar shift in support is just denying political reality.

But please keep on deluding yourself.

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

Though she didnt break through in Britain, she broke through in Obama's USA. .

I would say the first mixed race member of the British royal family is breaking Britain by any definition, following on of course from the first BAME Home Secretary being a Tory

The first? You're showing your ignorance.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was the first mixed race member of the British Royal Family.

I don't think being the daughter of the Duke of a small north German duchy quite counts as mixed race

Come to think of it, Her Majesty's ancestry probably reflects the EU28 pretty well.

Weren't there stories of her being descended, through some convoluted fashion, to Mohammed as well?

And that's not to mention the links to non christian deities like Woden!

kle4 said:

Benpointer said:

Tories beginning to draw ahead in the polls as May pursues an ever softer Brexit. Fancy that!

It is a little baffling, frankly. Not because of the soft brexit thing - I'd have said at the time that most (though not all) remain supporters would presumably prefer a softer brexit, and some number of Leave supporters would too, so something that could be portrayed as soft would probably gain more support - but because she has looked so weak and shambolic, and the Tories so stupidly divided, that eking out a lead just seems so strange.

Maybe there is an understanding of (and some sympathy for) the challenge she faces with her own party? Plenty of other potential factors too, of course, e.g: Labour anti-semitism and perceived weakeness over the Salisbury poisoning; Tories softening austerity and quitely adopting popular Labour policies.

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

If you say so - but how will they know? The only people who will find out about it today are anoraks, and if you tell people even a week from now they will probably react by asking if you don't have something more important to criticise him about!

How will they know? I suspect the DM, Sun, Express, Torygraph and other papers will mention it in passing

Benpointer said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

If you say so - but how will they know? The only people who will find out about it today are anoraks, and if you tell people even a week from now they will probably react by asking if you don't have something more important to criticise him about!

How will they know? I suspect the DM, Sun, Express, Torygraph and other papers will mention it in passing

It's pretty weaksauce, particularly if he tweets something out tomorrow or something. "Oh noes, evil Corbyn said congrats to Harry and Meghan a day late!". Maybe I don't know squat, but I think even the partisan press will struggle to have that story cut through.

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

If you say so - but how will they know? The only people who will find out about it today are anoraks, and if you tell people even a week from now they will probably react by asking if you don't have something more important to criticise him about!

As mentioned the tabloid press and the Mail will certainly make sure their readers know about it as rightwingers on twitter are doing now, it reinforces the image of Corbyn that for swing voters they will be putting a red republican in No 10 if they vote Labour and that just adds to the hesitation they would have before putting their cross next to the Labour candidate in the privacy of the voting booth

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

If you say so - but how will they know? The only people who will find out about it today are anoraks, and if you tell people even a week from now they will probably react by asking if you don't have something more important to criticise him about!

As mentioned the tabloid press and the Mail will certainly make sure their readers know about it as rightwingers on twitter are doing now, it reinforces the image of Corbyn that for swing voters they will be putting a red republican in No 10 if they vote Labour and that just adds to the hesitation they would have before putting their cross next to the Labour candidate in the privacy of the voting booth

It won't directly change any votes. But it will raise doubts that may cost votes.

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

Labour did not poll 42% in 2017!

41% then, still down 2%

Dura_Ace said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

I think better of him for it.

So do I. It would have been gesture politics for him to have sent a message.

AndyJS said:

Dura_Ace said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

I think better of him for it.

So do I. It would have been gesture politics for him to have sent a message.

Cable was quite cheeky:

https://twitter.com/vincecable/status/997815099766247424

Its not only Britain where intellectuals (yes, Mr Grayling, I'm looking at you) have lost the plot over Brexit:

Europe, says Bernard-Henri Lévy, will collapse if Brexit goes ahead. “It will collapse because when the body is deprived of its brain and its heart, its spirit dies. Britain is not just an additional piece of the European Union, it is the brain.” I never expected to hear a Frenchman say that, certainly not a great French intellectual. But there’s more: “Brexit will be a much bigger catastrophe than most people expect or think, a catastrophe for Britain and a catastrophe for Europe. Europe is unthinkable without Great Britain. Everyone who reflects deeply about Europe knows that the UK is its beating heart.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bernard-henri-levys-brexit-lament-nkrnvwvss?shareToken=94474e76c504b0e9bafab4f68cfe580f

justin124 said:

Wulfrun_Phil said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

Seriously - do you really think that many people will give a damn about something so obviously trivial? Why should he send them a tweet any more than to the many others who were married yesterday?

Because while about half of the UK electorate shares your indifference, a minority of the UK electorate care quite a lot about what happened yesterday. And quite a number of those will be seriously pissed off by what will be reported correctly as a Corbyn snub. He did find the time send a tweet of congratulations yesterday to someone in London, but it happened to be a Lewisham by-election candidate. When you are still 4% behind in the polls and seemingly going backwards some 8 years into a Conservative government, you really can't afford to piss anyone off unnecessarily.

I would say that a good 95% share my indifference. Very few people tend to be really ardent Monarchists nowadays and we are talking here about the 'hangers on' - Harry is 6th in line to the throne on one view of his parentage. Party leaders have never been expected to send messages like that. Wilson didn't do it in 1973 - neither did Foot to Charles in 1981 - nor Kinnock to Andrew.The suggestion is a load of nonsense and will be forgotten a week hence.

If Corbyn had sent a message, that would have the talking point for a month. The word "hypocrite" would have been used.

All ardent monarchist [ to those to whom this matters ] do not vote Labour.

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

How will public opinion find out about it (particularly if he tweets something, say, tomorrow)? No one will remember. And yes, he should be doing better, but given what happened last time he's not going to panic no matter what polls say, even if what happened last time is no guarantee on next time.

Last time the Tories got 43% in GB, they are now still on 43%. Labour is down 2% from the 42% they got last time.

All Corbyn did last time was squeeze the leftwing LD, Green, SNP and UKIP voters behind him, he made virtually no net gains from the Tories in terms of voters on 2015. Next time he has little more leftwing voters to squeeze and will have to win over Tories to become PM, this poll confirms he is still a long way from doing that

As I said, he should be doing better (if, in the absence of anything else, we still take something away from polling). I just don't think being on the wrong end of public opinion through not sending a congrats message (yet) will figure into anything.

Most Labour voters won't care less that Corbyn did not send a message of congratulation, the Tory swing voters Corbyn needs to win over though, especially those who voted Labour from 1997-2005 but have voted Tory since, certainly will and will see it as peevish and disrespectful

Seriously - do you really think that many people will give a damn about something so obviously trivial? Why should he send them a tweet any more than to the many others who were married yesterday?

As he is a member of the royal family, 5th in line to be our future Head of State and Corbyn is Leader of the Opposition and the potential next PM. As I said republican leftwingers won't care but the monarchist majority in this country will

99.99% will not give a damn! I don't think Harold Wilson sent a telegram to Princess Anne when she married Mark Phillips in November 1973. A much more significant % of the electorate appears to have serious doubts as to whether Harry is of royal blood at all - though on that matter I am not as persuaded as many clearly are!

In which case, my admiration, if any, has actually gone up !

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AEHALL1983/status/997921351502614528

I would have thought that BAME people themselves were best entrusted with unlocking their own talent. What a paternalistic, nanny-state (ok, mixing imagery a bit there) approach. Is that really how Labour thinks racial discrimination is to be overcome - by old bearded white guys claiming the sole power to ethnic success?

CarlottaVance said:

AndyJS said:

Dura_Ace said:

steve_garner said:

kle4 said:

A whole 10 points, huh? No doubt Corbyn is devastated.

Also, why would Cable's score have improved? Has he done anything recently that I was not aware of?

Corbyn may not be devastated but he should be doing better. His churlish and joyless decision not to congratulate Harry and Meghan today is probably on the wrong side of public opinion.

I think better of him for it.

So do I. It would have been gesture politics for him to have sent a message.

Cable was quite cheeky:

https://twitter.com/vincecable/status/997815099766247424

Undortunately the BBC only chose to televise two of them.

A reminder of the last speaker defenestration:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1184561/It-like-Mafia-funeral-pudgy-omerta-boys-sidling-squeeze-wrists-whisper-brief-words-respect.html

What ever Bercow's faults, he was an improvement on Martin - but still Boothroyde best in a long while.....saw her on a number 82 bus once.....