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Oh dear! How did he get his 15 minutes?0
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https://youtu.be/KCkgYhtz64UJosiasJessop said:
It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
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It’s a bit cringeworthy. Worried he was going to knock those candles over.Casino_Royale said:Who invited this guy?
Calm down mate, you’re in England.0 -
HM does not look amused and the PoW looks like he want's to burst out laughing.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
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Zara Tindall’s face.0
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Not feeling the love for the American preacher.0
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I’m a fan of the American preacher.0
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He’s now talking about the Bronze Age and the invention of fire.
Now, he’s asking who arrived by car..
Jesus Christ. Sit down.0 -
I'm wondering how they're going to get him off. I don't think they have anyone who knows how to switch off the mike. Doesn't he know the duke of Edinburgh is 97? How much time can he waste on this?GideonWise said:Not feeling the love for the American preacher.
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Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a relatively short period in the 60s and 70s when marriage was more popular with working-class than middle-class people.0
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I thought he said he was about to sit down.0
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The biggest problem is that he’s making this about him and his moment in the limelight to preach rather than about them.numbertwelve said:
It’s a bit cringeworthy. Worried he was going to knock those candles over.Casino_Royale said:Who invited this guy?
Calm down mate, you’re in England.
He should have stopped at the story of love, and sat down about 10 minutes ago.0 -
American preacher has moved on from love to fire.0
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He’s going on a bit too long.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
Time for him to shut up.0 -
Ok. Let’s pretend that just never happened.0
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Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
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Not my cup of tea, but then I'm not a fan of regular churchgoing style either - the americans seem to put some real energy and passion into it with their preaching at least. But then I'm watching something else in another window anyway.The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
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Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
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The gospel choir is good though. Great song.
Harry and Meghan look as if they want the whole thing over and finished.0 -
Don't know whether this guy is a spoof or not:
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I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....Casino_Royale said:
Choir was lovely.
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Good pub quiz question this. Three different songs, with the same title, that were all number 1 within a year of each other.MaxPB said:
https://youtu.be/KCkgYhtz64UJosiasJessop said:
It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
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On topic, the politicians know what they're doing. Right now the voters love nostalgia and hate freedom. They're just going to have to let the fire rise up again and wait for it to burn itself out.0
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It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.0 -
Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.The_Apocalypse said:
I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....Casino_Royale said:
Choir was lovely.0 -
Almost as if she’s done it before...CarlottaVance said:
Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.The_Apocalypse said:
I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....Casino_Royale said:
Choir was lovely.0 -
There may indeed be a “chasm” - but in a marriage of equals what’s wrong with it being obvious?Casino_Royale said:
It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
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Nothing. I just think the preacher outstayed his welcome.CarlottaVance said:
There may indeed be a “chasm” - but in a marriage of equals what’s wrong with it being obvious?Casino_Royale said:
It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.0 -
I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?0
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As MaxPB is finding, a wedding should be about two people, with others celebrating their future happiness. It should not be about anyone else. If this is what the couple wanted, then fair enough: and it seems a reasonable synergy between British pomp and US excess.Casino_Royale said:
It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
Besides, the royal family relies in evolution. Some were worried that there would be a problem with the fact that she was a divorceee, or that she is mixed-race - two things that would have been show-stoppers a few decades ago. The royal family is slowly evolving with the times.
If this 'experiment' in the sermon is not successful, it will be quietly dropped (though I doubt that particular preacher could ever be quiet!)0 -
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Agree!JosiasJessop said:
As MaxPB is finding, a wedding should be about two people, with others celebrating their future happiness. It should not be about anyone else. If this is what the couple wanted, then fair enough: and it seems a reasonable synergy between British pomp and US excess.Casino_Royale said:
It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)JosiasJessop said:
Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...The_Apocalypse said:I’m a fan of the American preacher.
We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
Besides, the royal family relies in evolution. Some were worried that there would be a problem with the fact that she was a divorceee, or that she is mixed-race - two things that would have been show-stoppers a few decades ago. The royal family is slowly evolving with the times.
If this 'experiment' in the sermon is not successful, it will be quietly dropped (though I doubt that particular preacher could ever be quiet!)0 -
A logical point.dixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.
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Meghan’s dress is very elegant.
As is her mother - a good-looking woman.0 -
Some preachers used to go on for literal hours (no doubt there are places where they still do), so could lay preachers - imagine sitting through 4 hours of an Oliver Cromwell speech0
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We got married on an 1860-built warship. An elderly relative, somewhat aged and very religious, apparently said: "It suits them more than a church."Andrew said:
A logical point.dixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.
I've never asked precisely what she meant ...
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A friend of mine was telling me there are organisations that seek to provide just that - meeting in (hopefully) grand buildings weekly for a singalong, some words about being good to each other etc, just no prayer.Andrew said:
A logical point.dixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.
I do know someone who apparently got married at the Roman baths at, well, Bath, though sadly no one was dressed as a legionary, which feels like a missed opportunity.0 -
We had some of those on Thursday. My Dad's speech was one of the shortest and his was the main one. People in politics and religion just love to hear the sound of their own voiceCasino_Royale said:Zara Tindall’s face:
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And if, like me, hiking is your 'religion', then there is always...kle4 said:
A friend of mine was telling me there are organisations that seek to provide just that - meeting in (hopefully) grand buildings weekly for a singalong, some words about being good to each other etc, just no prayer.Andrew said:
A logical point.dixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.
Champing.
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And Sir Clive Woodward has been seen singing Bread of Heaven live on TV! Lol...0
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Specially for you Dixie. Plenty more if this is what floats your boatdixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
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dixiedean said:
I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
The bit about love was fine. When he started on about cars, power and fire ..... well ..... that’s when the red pencil should have been deployed. Ruthlessly. It was unnecessarily repetitious.dixiedean said:I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
Edited: and it was a bit impersonal. It woukd have been nicer if it could have addressed itself just a touch to - and about - the two most important people there.
But hey if they liked it that’s all that matters.0 -
Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!0 -
It does seem the case that while you will find a majority responding to polls saying that they are not particularly interested, those that are, and those that casually pay attention, will ensure it is the main topic of conversation by some distance.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Utterly brilliant.Casino_Royale said:Zara Tindall’s face:
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Just been popping in and out whilst cutting the grass but god we’re good at this stuff. Wife says that the preacher should have quit whilst ahead but otherwise pretty perfect.0
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One of the great tunes.0
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Anyway, it's time to get back out and enjoy a sunny cycle ride. Congrats to Harry and Meghan. And what does their union mean in the context of Brexit?!0
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The cellist is outstanding. Apparently he is 19-year-old Sheku Kanneh-Mason - winner of the 2016 BBC Young Musician of the Year.0
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The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.
Other than that, it’s superb.0 -
Good joke about cars and carriages though.RoyalBlue said:The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.
Other than that, it’s superb.0 -
Harry knows what he’s doing.Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!
Uniting everyone they can around the crown - no matter what their political beliefs- is the monarchy’s job.0 -
Yes. That made even me laugh.Andrew said:0 -
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Don’t want to think it’s that cynical but fair point.Casino_Royale said:
Harry knows what he’s doing.Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!
Uniting everyone they can around the crown - no matter what their political beliefs- is the monarchy’s job.0 -
I've read hyperbole on here but that takes the biscuit!Anazina said:
Wrong.RoyalBlue said:The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.
Other than that, it’s superb.
The preacher was utterly brilliant.
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The hyperbole was deliberate - and tongue in cheek!Roger said:
I've read hyperbole on here but that takes the biscuit!Anazina said:
Wrong.RoyalBlue said:The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.
Other than that, it’s superb.
The preacher was utterly brilliant.
The best TV in decades.
But the preacher man was VERY entertaining.0 -
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In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!
I think it was for everybody and I can understand why lefties may have felt left out in the past....AndyJS said:
In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!0 -
Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession0
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Overall, I think the ceremony was really nice. Looking forward to the FA Cup final now!CarlottaVance said:
Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.The_Apocalypse said:
I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....Casino_Royale said:
Choir was lovely.0 -
I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...HYUFD said:Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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Our former charges may exceed us in power and might, but they will never exceed us in majesty.
What a wonderful advert for our nation.0 -
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism! 0 -
You’re in good company. Tim Montgomerie agrees with you:Anazina said:
Wrong.RoyalBlue said:The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.
Other than that, it’s superb.
The preacher was utterly brilliant.
The best TV in decades.
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+1RoyalBlue said:Our former charges may exceed us in power and might, but they will never exceed us in majesty.
What a wonderful advert for our nation.0 -
A touching comment from you that does you great credit.CarlottaVance said:AndyJS said:
In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
A royal wedding for lefties!
I think it was for everybody and I can understand why lefties may have felt left out in the past....AndyJS said:
In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?Anazina said:Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.
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You posted that yesterday and are wrong on this.Sunil_Prasannan said:Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
As I said monarchy is the essence of conservatism, as gsrdenwalker pointed out along with support for the family, the Union and the nation state. In relation to the subject of this threat that is even more than free trade and capitalism which have also been liberal concepts.
Plenty of conservative dynasties too like the Bushes and the Churchills0 -
Mr Dean,
"I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?"
I only caught a part of it, but as a Catholic, I enjoyed the part I heard.0 -
Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit homeCarlottaVance said:
I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...HYUFD said:Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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Yes. I will never forget that my car is propelled by tamed fire.HYUFD said:
Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit homeCarlottaVance said:
I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...HYUFD said:Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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The far left defeated in Lewisham. Great news!!!!
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That’s a shocker. The briefly disqualified one seemed first to the mark and had a good social media campaign.SouthamObserver said:The far left defeated in Lewisham. Great news!!!!
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This wedding seems to have brought out PBers inner Nabavi.
I though 'Osborne the near perfect chancellor' would take some beating but that's gone.0 -
what a splendid and timeless GB event that was.... a job well done
As for the blue skies, green grass, historic buildings..... UK Plc never looked better.0 -
Did you actually see it?Roger said:This wedding seems to have brought out PBers inner Nabavi.
I though 'Osborne the near perfect chancellor' would take some beating but that's gone.
I watched with a full on, “woke” millennial Corbynista and she was hooked.
PS the preacher was superb. The Episcopalians should ship him over here full time.0 -
Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
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Topping up the petrol at Shell will never be the same again!RoyalBlue said:
Yes. I will never forget that my car is propelled by tamed fire.HYUFD said:
Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit homeCarlottaVance said:
I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...HYUFD said:Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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The good folk of Catford won’t be fooled.SouthamObserver said:Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
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They needed an intervention from TwistedFireStopper.HYUFD said:
Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit homeCarlottaVance said:
I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...HYUFD said:Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!
Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.
I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.
Now let's bring on the Republic!0 -
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(Looks at betting slips)SouthamObserver said:Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21
Now do Momentum campaign for Daby, or run one of their own against her?0 -
Sounds a good candidate. It doesn't sound like LDs will be in with a chance:SouthamObserver said:Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21
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Moderators, please delete this radical nonsense.SandyRentool said:If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!
Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.
I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.
Now let's bring on the Republic!0 -
I was just a teensy bit surprised that there was no curtsey/bow to HMQ before they walked back down the aisle.
Harry looked very much more relaxed and happy in the carriage ride.
There was something gloriously eccentric but wonderful about having all that pageantry - the coach, the Household Guards etc - going down narrow ordinary town streets before the ride to the castle.
A beautiful day. Auguri e figli maschi, as they say in Italy.
And now back to real life.......0 -
What? You don't think the service was lovely?RoyalBlue said:
Moderators, please delete this radical nonsense.SandyRentool said:If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!
Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.
I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.
Now let's bring on the Republic!0 -
Kennedy's socialist ? He does write some utter crap.HYUFD said:
You posted that yesterday and are wrong on this.Sunil_Prasannan said:Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
As I said monarchy is the essence of conservatism, as gsrdenwalker pointed out along with support for the family, the Union and the nation state. In relation to the subject of this threat that is even more than free trade and capitalism which have also been liberal concepts.
Plenty of conservative dynasties too like the Bushes and the Churchills0
