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BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?0 -
Hadn't realised Sir John Major had started to use a walking stick....0
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Corpses tend to be slightly more animated and engagedfelix said:
What - as the corpse?SandyRentool said:Victoria Beckham looks like she is attending a funeral.
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Are you discomforted by the presence of the nobility?Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?
If so I'll have to strike you off the guest list for the Auchentennach Garden Party.0 -
If you want it commentary free:Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42MQJX4KoY
Sky is talking heads too...0 -
The BBC seem to be almost obsessively focusing on the issue of race. Baroness Lawrence (who is never going to be the most fluent public speaker) rather punctured it when she said it was far more important to consider the person and their qualities rather than the colour of their skin.Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
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On Robin Hood energy: it's easy being a not-for-profit when you don't make any profit: they lost nearly £8 million last year. With 120,000 customers, that would mean £60-70 per customer.
They expect to break even this year; it'll be interesting to see if they do without any (ahem) clever accounting tactics ...
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https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/997780108327964673felix said:
Just imagine the shenanigans if he won an election - Israel might need a few more settlements and I'm not sure the Owen Jones types would survive even the early purges.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, funny that. Jeremy just loves localism and democracy - when it means he wins, of course.Artist said:
Convenient for Corbyn that his pick is now the sole left challenger in a room possibly full of Momentum members.SouthamObserver said:Fun and games at Labour’s Lewisham East hustings, currently. The Momentum candidate and favourite to be nominated in danger of being kicked out.
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ROFLoxfordsimon said:
Corpses tend to be slightly more animated and engagedfelix said:
What - as the corpse?SandyRentool said:Victoria Beckham looks like she is attending a funeral.
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Certainly the case does need to be made for privatised utilities and railways and choice in public services but that is not necessarily strictly a Tory issue, under Eden and Macmillan and Heath for example most utilities and even the national airline were nationalised. It took free market liberals and economists influencing Thatcher to see the waves of privatisation in the 1980s. An expansion of Macmillan's house building programme would also be helpful and let us not forget Thatcher's 'right to buy' programme brought millions onto the housing ladder.
Indeed on other issues the public is still pretty conservative e.g. keeping their own taxes low, controlling immigration, support for the monarchy, tougher action on crime etc. Where they have become more socially liberal e.g. gay marriage the Tories have now aligned with public opinion anyway0 -
Serena Williams and Sir John Major now arrived at the royal wedding0
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Wow. If she did say that then fair play to her.oxfordsimon said:
The BBC seem to be almost obsessively focusing on the issue of race. Baroness Lawrence (who is never going to be the most fluent public speaker) rather punctured it when she said it was far more important to consider the person and their qualities rather than the colour of their skin.Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?
I couldn’t agree more.0 -
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If the BBC interviewed a noble that would make a welcome change.JackW said:
Are you discomforted by the presence of the nobility?Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?
If so I'll have to strike you off the guest list for the Auchentennach Garden Party.
Far too much chatting with the riff-raff going on.0 -
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She did - and it rather took the wind out of the presenter's sailsCasino_Royale said:
Wow. If she did say that then fair play to her.oxfordsimon said:
The BBC seem to be almost obsessively focusing on the issue of race. Baroness Lawrence (who is never going to be the most fluent public speaker) rather punctured it when she said it was far more important to consider the person and their qualities rather than the colour of their skin.Casino_Royale said:BBC have far too many talking heads, just as they do on election night. Plus, Baroness Lawrence just came on, which caused me to leave the room.
Is the coverage any better on other channels?
I couldn’t agree more.0 -
Can't believe this political ban clearly designed for Trump and Corbyn has also scuppered my Obama bet0
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Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:0 -
Hilarious in Lewisham - Sheikh back in! Oh who will I vote for next month now? Urination in a brwery has just popped into my mind for some reason.-1
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https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/997783660874084352NickPalmer said:
Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:0 -
This is the problem when you rush through a selection process. It means that there isn't time to do proper vetting - which is surely vital in a high profile by-election.NickPalmer said:
Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:
This should have been sorted well before the start of the meeting.0 -
Fecking shambles.rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/997783660874084352NickPalmer said:
Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:
An all-PPE shortlist would have avoided all this nonsense.0 -
We have 2 votes and both will be for the Conservative candidate.Pulpstar said:
Labour if you have a vote, they'll win anyway and I'm on overs for the vote sharefelix said:Hilarious in Lewisham - Sheikh back in! Oh who will I vote for next month now? Urination in a brwery has just popped into my mind for some reason.
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Sort of sectional nonsense that make one warm to the Lib Dem party.NickPalmer said:
Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:0 -
Those days are long gone...SandyRentool said:
Fecking shambles.rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/997783660874084352NickPalmer said:
Sheikh (local Momentum favourite) once chaired a meeting for a minor left-wing group that stood candidates against Labour. The question was whether that constituted "supporting candidates against Labour". Looks as though she's satisfied the NEC representatives that she didn't.rottenborough said:
An all-PPE shortlist would have avoided all this nonsense.0 -
Wasted!felix said:
We have 2 votes and both will be for the Conservative candidate.Pulpstar said:
Labour if you have a vote, they'll win anyway and I'm on overs for the vote sharefelix said:Hilarious in Lewisham - Sheikh back in! Oh who will I vote for next month now? Urination in a brwery has just popped into my mind for some reason.
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Nicholas Soames sitting next to David Beckham .....
Chortle .....0 -
Surely the rules must be clear? Who has the final say?felix said:Where the real power lies in Labour today: I'm told by 2 separate sources that Corbyn Chief of Staff Karie Murphy overruled GenSec Jennie Formby and NEC org sub chair Jim Kennedy to put Momentum-backed @SakinaZS back on #LewishamEast shortlist.
V significant.
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The joys of local democracy - being manipulated by McLuskey and Corbyn.felix said:Where the real power lies in Labour today: I'm told by 2 separate sources that Corbyn Chief of Staff Karie Murphy overruled GenSec Jennie Formby and NEC org sub chair Jim Kennedy to put Momentum-backed @SakinaZS back on #LewishamEast shortlist.
V significant.
Paul Waugh
What matters most - Momentum or Labour?0 -
Er. Does she have the authority to do that? I thought NEC ran this process.felix said:Where the real power lies in Labour today: I'm told by 2 separate sources that Corbyn Chief of Staff Karie Murphy overruled GenSec Jennie Formby and NEC org sub chair Jim Kennedy to put Momentum-backed @SakinaZS back on #LewishamEast shortlist.
V significant.
Paul Waugh
Challenge coming?0 -
Is the object of all this to get the Lewisham East Labour candidate selection trending above the wedding and the football match today?rottenborough said:0 -
Sublime rendition of Greensleves there by the English Chamber Orchestra.
The flute is such a beautiful instrument.0 -
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Actually the key thing that brings capitalism into disrepute is that it is rewarding instead of punishing failure at the moment.Foxy said:What has brought Capitalism into disrepute is its headlong drive for globalisation, with well paid jobs being off shored along with the profits. Capitalists need to remember that their workers are also the consumers that keep the whole system functional.
I am no advocate of renationalisation of industry or utilities, but there is little love out there for the companies that have fed on the carrion of British Industry.
If some banks had closed when they had gone bust and some bankers fined and jailed good and hard for false accounting then perhaps there would be a feeling at least they were being punished for their failures.
As it is, the state stepped in to rescue them, so the bankers who had lost our money were bailed out with another pot of our money so they could continue to be rich and successful at our expense. Meanwhile, we get more heavily taxed and our public services are cut to pay for it.
Now, before anyone tells me that's not exactly what happened, I know that. I know also that the City in particular and banking generally paid a huge share of national tax that paid for those essential services. I also know the consequences of not acting would have been worse. I further know that nobody was guiltless in terms of the age of excess - least of all people who voted in Blair and Brown three times. Above all I know that it's not just banks - we could mention Philip Green, Carillon or the BatshitCrazy woman who ran a pseudo charity in London on what seems to have been much the same basis.
I do say however that is what is perceived to have happened. And nothing discredits a system supposed to reward success and punish failure than a perception that it is punishing success based on hard work, honesty and thrift while rewarding failure based on greed, profligacy and criminality. That is where Trump, Corbyn, Tsipras, Podema and Beppe Grillo come in.
It is also where Brexit comes in. With hindsight, however true it may be, was it really wise to have lots of these despised bankers tell us it would be disastrous for the City?0 -
Has Ken Livingstone emerged to tell us what Hitler would do?0
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Still plenty of 1.04 around to lay the official Lab candidate:
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NIMHOlogical_song said:
Wasted!felix said:
We have 2 votes and both will be for the Conservative candidate.Pulpstar said:
Labour if you have a vote, they'll win anyway and I'm on overs for the vote sharefelix said:Hilarious in Lewisham - Sheikh back in! Oh who will I vote for next month now? Urination in a brwery has just popped into my mind for some reason.
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Harry's s kept the beard
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Some excellent comments this morning. @ydoethur - I agree entirely with your assessment. My feeling is that whether it's big business, big charities, the public sector, there is a class of people who are untouchable. It doesn't matter how useless they are, they get away with it.
With regards to privatization, I'd recommend a piece in the FT. It's called "Returning the UK’s privatised services to the public." Their feeling was that water was a more dubious privatization than railways.
I would also echo the point made by @JosiasJessop about the management of the electrification projects. Everyone's getting worked up about the East Coast franchise but that is small fry compared with the complete horlicks the DfT and Network Rail have made of the electrification of the Great Western Mainline. The problem is, our politicians want to announce nice shiny new projects. But when the real costs are revealed, they bottle it. This could very much happen with HS2.0 -
So Ken has left the wedding !!Morris_Dancer said:Has Ken Livingstone emerged to tell us what Hitler would do?
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Night of the long knives - not in peaceful SE London sure....oh...wait...Morris_Dancer said:Has Ken Livingstone emerged to tell us what Hitler would do?
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I think the Lib Dems will come 2nd but the Tories could do itfelix said:
NIMHOlogical_song said:
Wasted!felix said:
We have 2 votes and both will be for the Conservative candidate.Pulpstar said:
Labour if you have a vote, they'll win anyway and I'm on overs for the vote sharefelix said:Hilarious in Lewisham - Sheikh back in! Oh who will I vote for next month now? Urination in a brwery has just popped into my mind for some reason.
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Harry looks nervous.0
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My father had to flee the room if Greensleeves came on. Weird.Casino_Royale said:Sublime rendition of Greensleves there by the English Chamber Orchestra.
The flute is such a beautiful instrument.
But then, he couldn't be in the same room as cheese either.0 -
For perspective - top Twitter trends in Jakarta:
1 Indonesia
2 Royal Wedding
3...
9 Meghan
10 Prince Harry0 -
“I tell you who really enjoyed royal pageantary like this..”Morris_Dancer said:Has Ken Livingstone emerged to tell us what Hitler would do?
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Quite a low key entrance for the Duke of Sussex I thought.
Almost as if the day is more about Meghan....0 -
Francis Wheen just said Harry did well. He managed to marry into a family more dysfunctional than his own'GIN1138 said:0 -
I have to say, I think Sky's coverage is a bit better than the BBC's. They have actually got a decent commentator rather than just having the talking heads talking loudly over the coverage.0
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I wish I could dress like that at weddings. Do the Blues and Royals have a territorial wing?0
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Has James Hewitt turned up to his son's wedding?0
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The bit I don’t get is how many commentators and (a certain type of) members of the public still seem to think this is all about Diana.0
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The Royal Youtube channel (no commentary) has the footage a bit ahead of Sky - but agree, the Sky commentator is measured and informativetlg86 said:I have to say, I think Sky's coverage is a bit better than the BBC's. They have actually got a decent commentator rather than just having the talking heads talking loudly over the coverage.
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Didn't back it but 6-4 fav Green hat weighs in0
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Incorrect, Your Grace - as a King's own title has to be confirmed by acclamation of the Great Council (by tradition) the people of London and by coronation.JackW said:
Incorrect.ydoethur said:
He wasn't Duke of York, although he claimed the title. You have to be confirmed in the title by the Sovereign before inheriting.JackW said:
Quite so. The Dukedom of York being a new creation each time as when previous Dukes became King their titles merged into the crown. The present Duke being the eight creation (or more accurately ninth including Henry Benedict - Jacobite Duke of York - second son of King James VIII/III.)ydoethur said:
Yes - but the King wasn't Duke of York, although he had been prior to becoming King. The title was created for George VI (Prince Albert as he then was).JackW said:
Oopps ... Titter ....ydoethur said:
Which is what I was saying (and btw I think it's 'Prince Louis').JackW said:
The York title is unlikely to be used again in the foreseeable future as both of the Duke of York's daughters derive their dignity from their father and as young women could possibly outlive Prince Harry. Possibly Prince Louise as the second son of a future King William will be next Duke of York.ydoethur said:
At least it wasn't Duke of Clarence.JackW said:BBC - Harry becomes Duke of Sussex.
Edit - I wonder if he will ever be made Duke of York or if this is where his run of titles will end and Louis will take York next. I suppose it may depend on whether Charles outlives the Queen or not.
Fascinating fact - no Duke of York has directly inherited the title from a parent since 1402, and even if we extend it to uncles the last person to claim it by inheritance was Richard of York (1411-1460) in 1415.
The Queen's father was of course Duke of York before becoming George VI albeit there was the interval of his brother inheriting from their father in January 1936 before abdicating in December.
Henry was born in Rome on 6th March 1725 and presented by his father, King James VIII/III, to Pope Benedict XIII that same day with the words :
"I present to your Holiness the Duke of York, that you may make him a Christian."
The King issued letters patent that same month.
None of those happened to James the II and VII's son, therefore he was not the king.
The recognition of two foreign potentates (in this case the French and the Papacy) is irrelevant.
Not that it matters as he had no children either (or none he could admit to, anyway)!0 -
Wondering if they will have those little burgers at the reception. Classy.0
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MaxPB's mum will be making notes.Jonathan said:Wondering if they will have those little burgers at the reception. Classy.
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For republicans bored with too much BBC genuflecting I can stronly recommend a film recently on the BBC now on I-player called 'Kajaki'. A true story of a small group of British troops in Afghanistan but don't be put off. Had a lot of the qualities and subtlety of 'No Mans Land.'
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3622120/0 -
There's a wedding and a football match today? Must be a centrist attempt to distract from the real issues.Sandpit said:
Is the object of all this to get the Lewisham East Labour candidate selection trending above the wedding and the football match today?rottenborough said:0 -
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The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
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I hope there's someone out there saying that seriously.NickPalmer said:
There's a wedding and a football match today? Must be a centrist attempt to distract from the real issues.Sandpit said:
Is the object of all this to get the Lewisham East Labour candidate selection trending above the wedding and the football match today?rottenborough said:0 -
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."0 -
It'll be nothing like this, though.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
I do hope her previous careers may help her, because the media won't.0 -
Not quite to the same extent, I would say - she had a decent TV career, but if you don't watch Suits it's not like most places in the world will have heard of her.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."0 -
What percentage of people get married these days?0
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I’m finding it quite moving.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
But it pales in comparison to the Lewisham hustings.0 -
Thankfully I’m on holiday in Ukraine at the moment, where no-one cares about a wedding and the big football match is next weekend.NickPalmer said:
There's a wedding and a football match today? Must be a centrist attempt to distract from the real issues.Sandpit said:
Is the object of all this to get the Lewisham East Labour candidate selection trending above the wedding and the football match today?rottenborough said:
I’m told that back in Dubai there are large parties happening for both events today.
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How many billions will this wedding be bringing to the UK.
Leaving aside all the pomp and ceremony (and I'd argue no-one does that quite as well as us), St George's Chapel looks absolutely stupendous.
Though I do wonder how many people will be wondering how they got permission to get married in Hogwarts ...0 -
Suits will be enough to have got her papped every time she popped out for a bottle of milk.kle4 said:
Not quite to the same extent, I would say - she had a decent TV career, but if you don't watch Suits it's not like most places in the world will have heard of her.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."0 -
I think our media is very different today. Of course they'll get a lot of attention, but I don't think it's quite as intrusive as it once was. Certainly the press seem to give the Cambridge's a lot of respect. Hell, that bloke who tweets the front pages even went to the bother of covering up embargoed pictures of the new prince!JosiasJessop said:
It'll be nothing like this, though.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
I do hope her previous careers may help her, because the media won't.0 -
I was thinking more once she was away from LA (or Toronto, or wherever it is filmed) she could be fairly unobtrusive.DecrepitJohnL said:
Suits will be enough to have got her papped every time she popped out for a bottle of milk.kle4 said:
Not quite to the same extent, I would say - she had a decent TV career, but if you don't watch Suits it's not like most places in the world will have heard of her.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."0 -
They've certainly done well with the weather. It could easily have pissed it down.JosiasJessop said:How many billions will this wedding be bringing to the UK.
Leaving aside all the pomp and ceremony (and I'd argue no-one does that quite as well as us), St George's Chapel looks absolutely stupendous.
Though I do wonder how many people will be wondering how they got permission to get married in Hogwarts ...0 -
A living breathing real royal family is a fantastic asset to the UK.JosiasJessop said:How many billions will this wedding be bringing to the UK.
Leaving aside all the pomp and ceremony (and I'd argue no-one does that quite as well as us), St George's Chapel looks absolutely stupendous.
Though I do wonder how many people will be wondering how they got permission to get married in Hogwarts ...
And we do it so extremely well.0 -
American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.0
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I hope you're right, and wish the happy couple all the best in their marriage.tlg86 said:
I think our media is very different today. Of course they'll get a lot of attention, but I don't think it's quite as intrusive as it once was. Certainly the press seem to give the Cambridge's a lot of respect. Hell, that bloke who tweets the front pages even went to the bother of covering up embargoed pictures of the new prince!JosiasJessop said:
It'll be nothing like this, though.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
I do hope her previous careers may help her, because the media won't.
Though I fear their main problem will come from the US media, who will have less restrictions and an excuse given her US heritage.0 -
It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
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Who invited this guy?
Calm down mate, you’re in England.0 -
Seemed Harry had a couple too before his bride arrived.....JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
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I am amused and also slightly embarrassed.JosiasJessop said:
It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.Casino_Royale said:American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.
Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zHQ6kFuQ0
It’s getting a bit awkward.0 -
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The American press, on the other hand, have very few scruples about publishing absolutely anything they think will sell papers or clicks, and certainly no fans of showing deference to royalty.tlg86 said:
I think our media is very different today. Of course they'll get a lot of attention, but I don't think it's quite as intrusive as it once was. Certainly the press seem to give the Cambridge's a lot of respect. Hell, that bloke who tweets the front pages even went to the bother of covering up embargoed pictures of the new prince!JosiasJessop said:
It'll be nothing like this, though.DecrepitJohnL said:
Meghan will be used to the media spotlight from her acting career.JosiasJessop said:The merest trace of a tear is running down my cheek.
Usually at weddings I say: "Another poor man goes to his doom." On this occasion, with the media she and her children will be facing, I'll change it to: "another poor woman goes to her doom."
I do hope her previous careers may help her, because the media won't.0 -
Elton John’s face.0
