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SandyRentool said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/997499573764612097

Polonium poisoning?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Benpointer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

Here's one for PB:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689

I suggest Williamson (Derby).

I reckon it will be a Tory saying something clearly racist without even realising it.

For different reasons I'll pick Nicholas Soames in this virtual sweepstake.

I'll go for BoJo - a lazy pick if ever there was one!

"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3."

- BoJo in 2005

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

HYUFD said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

FPT

Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!

Well, consider:

1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!

2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!

3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!

So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!

No, monarchism is the oldest essence of conservatism, even more than free trade and capitalism which was originally more a liberal than a conservative concept. Indeed the Tory Party emerged from being more loyal to the crown and the future James IInd than the Whigs opposing in 1678 the Whigs Exclusion Bill aimed at excluding James Duke of York from the throne.Hence also the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics began by overthrowing the Romanovs.

Plenty of conservative dynasties too, see the Bushes, the Churchills, the Gummers etc

Gardenwalker said:

HYUFD said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

FPT

Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!

Well, consider:

1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!

2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!

3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!

So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!

No, monarchism is the oldest essence of conservatism, even more than free trade and capitalism which was originally more a liberal than a conservative concept. Indeed the Tory Party emerged from being more loyal to the crown and the future James IInd than the Whigs opposing in 1678 the Whigs Exclusion Bill aimed at excluding James Duke of York from the throne.Hence also the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics began by overthrowing the Romanovs.

Plenty of conservative dynasties too, see the Bushes, the Churchills, the Gummers etc

The other essence of conservatism is unionism, the integrity and protection of the nation state, and its domestic equivalent - the family.

May is a conservative. She’s one of the few true conservatives in the Conservatives.

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnO said:

Tissue_Price said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

Commiserations.

I understand TSE and I were on the reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve list. We'll get there eventually.

I'm told Mrs May will make George Osborne a Lord before she makes me a Lord.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, as a cricket fan, she probably finds your Judas membership of Lancashire Cricket Club simply unacceptable.

felix said:

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/997509168989982722/photo/1?tfw_site=conhome&ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.conservativehome.com/category/frontpage

Richard_Tyndall said:

Gardenwalker said:

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

The point is Nick, few of us on here are interested. We just don’t feel the need to be churlish about it like Ms Dent Coad.

They seem like a nice couple, and well suited. Good luck to them. My slim prayer is that the papers, particularly the Mail, gives Meghan a break. If I don’t know better I’d say its antipathy toward her was because she is brown.

Agree on your attitude to the wedding. I am a monarchist in so far as I think the country is better served by a monarchy than by an elected Head of State. But that is as far as it goes. I have absolutely no interest in what they get up top as long as it doesn't bring the institution into disrepute. I won't be watching the wedding nor really taking any interest in it at all but just like any other married couple I wish them all the best for the future.

Oh and I did think that Charles (of whom I am not a great fan) stepping in in place of the father of the bride was a very nice touch.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

A notable lack of Dukedoms on that list....

Blame Brexit, had Remain won the referendum, I'm certain Dave would have made me a hereditary peer of first creation.

The only thing left was to work out where my Dukedom was going to be.

GIN1138 said:

How long before we have 1000 Lorships?

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnO said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnO said:

Tissue_Price said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

Commiserations.

I understand TSE and I were on the reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve list. We'll get there eventually.

I'm told Mrs May will make George Osborne a Lord before she makes me a Lord.

Well, you have rather let the side down...and taken me with you. I'd bloody well better win that bet.

Will a bottle of champagne help you come to terms with the lack of peerage?

RobD said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

A notable lack of Dukedoms on that list....

Richard_Tyndall said:

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Gardenwalker said:

A modest tweak to the Lords would be to make appointments

a) regularly scheduled with the same number appointed each time.

b) proportional to the results of the last election with perhaps a 40% allowance for cross benchers.

An even better tweak would be to remove it appointments from the patronage of the party leaders and given over to an impartial committee, albeit seeking the approval of the relevant party leader (basically the reverse of what we have at present).

I think I would be more radical.

Limit the number of Lords to say 300 or 400.

All life peerages but absolute maximum age of 80 then must retire.

All replacements by independent committee but with the aim to represent all walks of life. Generally candidates would be those who have achieved success in their chosen careers whether that is industry, charity, politics, trade unionism, business, science or the arts. Or community leaders etc.

Ban whipping in the Lords. Every vote must be a free vote.

I could go along with this, yes.
Of course I’d also get rid of the remaining hereditaries.

Sorry should have made that clear. Yes. A completely appointed non political upper chamber.

felix said:

SandyRentool said:

Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.


This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.

Covering all the bases.

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

A notable lack of Dukedoms on that list....

Blame Brexit, had Remain won the referendum, I'm certain Dave would have made me a hereditary peer of first creation.

The only thing left was to work out where my Dukedom was going to be.

of hazzard?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Brexit in name only

The waiting is over. Theresa May has finally chosen a side on Brexit, nearly two years after the referendum. It has not — yet — been set out explicitly. Indeed Mrs May’s language at this week’s prime minister’s questions stressed compromise and balance on the subject. However her choice is increasingly clear.

Mrs May is signalling that she will prioritise protecting the union of the United Kingdom over the need for a full future unfettered free trade policy wherever necessary. Her Brexit will do nothing to imperil the already-fragile constitutional settlement in Northern Ireland. She is gambling that a majority in her party — the Conservative and Unionist Party — will make the same judgment.....

...5 “I can’t believe it’s not the single market” Theresa May will insist the UK is leaving the single market, and in strict legal terms she is right. Ministers — even in the Brexit sub committee — have not discussed how closely aligned the UK will be to the EU from 2021. However if a hard border with Northern Ireland is to be avoided, the backstop proposal also means the whole of the UK staying very close to the single market.

Although we do not have to be “in the single market”, the amount of variation will be tightly limited. This is likely to be another big area of disagreement for the cabinet and Brexit cabinet sub-committee. In truth, however, the cabinet has already signed up to a very high degree of alignment with the EU when they approved Mrs May’s Mansion House speech.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/the-week-theresa-may-picked-a-side-on-brexit-bgb0zr66f

TheScreamingEagles said:

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

JohnO said:

Those new peerages in full from Guido

https://order-order.com/

A notable lack of Dukedoms on that list....

Blame Brexit, had Remain won the referendum, I'm certain Dave would have made me a hereditary peer of first creation.

The only thing left was to work out where my Dukedom was going to be.

of hazzard?

I'm not sure I'm the English equivalent of Bo, Luke, or Eden.

TheScreamingEagles said:

From that article in The Times

9 The EU probably isn’t going to reject it

If Brexiteers hope this plan will be rubbished by Brussels, and they can let the rest of the EU27 kill it, they should think again. Common sense suggests the broad outline of the plan agreed by cabinet was to some degree signed off in secret by Brussels before Tuesday’s meeting. Indeed this means the whole thing could be done and dusted in October, rather than later in the autumn.

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

From that article in The Times

9 The EU probably isn’t going to reject it

If Brexiteers hope this plan will be rubbished by Brussels, and they can let the rest of the EU27 kill it, they should think again. Common sense suggests the broad outline of the plan agreed by cabinet was to some degree signed off in secret by Brussels before Tuesday’s meeting. Indeed this means the whole thing could be done and dusted in October, rather than later in the autumn.

Time for a referendum in November, then.

It may be that some Brexiters, repulsed by *this* Brexit, choose to Remain. It may be that some Remainers, placated by the prospect of continued close alignment, are happy to Leave.

Gardenwalker said:

AnneJGP said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

From that article in The Times

9 The EU probably isn’t going to reject it

If Brexiteers hope this plan will be rubbished by Brussels, and they can let the rest of the EU27 kill it, they should think again. Common sense suggests the broad outline of the plan agreed by cabinet was to some degree signed off in secret by Brussels before Tuesday’s meeting. Indeed this means the whole thing could be done and dusted in October, rather than later in the autumn.

Time for a referendum in November, then.

It may be that some Brexiters, repulsed by *this* Brexit, choose to Remain. It may be that some Remainers, placated by the prospect of continued close alignment, are happy to Leave.

Say Hello to Prime Minister Corbyn, then.

Why?

TheScreamingEagles said:

From that article in The Times

9 The EU probably isn’t going to reject it

If Brexiteers hope this plan will be rubbished by Brussels, and they can let the rest of the EU27 kill it, they should think again. Common sense suggests the broad outline of the plan agreed by cabinet was to some degree signed off in secret by Brussels before Tuesday’s meeting. Indeed this means the whole thing could be done and dusted in October, rather than later in the autumn.

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

AnneJGP said:

Gardenwalker said:

AnneJGP said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

From that article in The Times

9 The EU probably isn’t going to reject it

If Brexiteers hope this plan will be rubbished by Brussels, and they can let the rest of the EU27 kill it, they should think again. Common sense suggests the broad outline of the plan agreed by cabinet was to some degree signed off in secret by Brussels before Tuesday’s meeting. Indeed this means the whole thing could be done and dusted in October, rather than later in the autumn.

Time for a referendum in November, then.

It may be that some Brexiters, repulsed by *this* Brexit, choose to Remain. It may be that some Remainers, placated by the prospect of continued close alignment, are happy to Leave.

Say Hello to Prime Minister Corbyn, then.

Why?

Why not?

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

The wedding is not getting public funding, only the security which would be the same for any big event such as the wedding of the son or daughter or grandchild of a president

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Brexit in name only

The waiting is over. Theresa May has finally chosen a side on Brexit, nearly two years after the referendum. It has not — yet — been set out explicitly. Indeed Mrs May’s language at this week’s prime minister’s questions stressed compromise and balance on the subject. However her choice is increasingly clear.

Mrs May is signalling that she will prioritise protecting the union of the United Kingdom over the need for a full future unfettered free trade policy wherever necessary. Her Brexit will do nothing to imperil the already-fragile constitutional settlement in Northern Ireland. She is gambling that a majority in her party — the Conservative and Unionist Party — will make the same judgment.....

...5 “I can’t believe it’s not the single market” Theresa May will insist the UK is leaving the single market, and in strict legal terms she is right. Ministers — even in the Brexit sub committee — have not discussed how closely aligned the UK will be to the EU from 2021. However if a hard border with Northern Ireland is to be avoided, the backstop proposal also means the whole of the UK staying very close to the single market.

Although we do not have to be “in the single market”, the amount of variation will be tightly limited. This is likely to be another big area of disagreement for the cabinet and Brexit cabinet sub-committee. In truth, however, the cabinet has already signed up to a very high degree of alignment with the EU when they approved Mrs May’s Mansion House speech.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/the-week-theresa-may-picked-a-side-on-brexit-bgb0zr66f

So Ireland is stopping Britain leaving the EU?

This will end well...

2) If your premise is true then there's a certain irony to that given the lack of manumission we inflicted on Ireland for so long.

AndyJS said:

"Britain Elects
‏ @britainelects
5h5 hours ago

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 38% (-)
LDEM: 9% (-)
UKIP: 3% (+1)
GRN: 3% (+1)
[Oth]: 4% (-2)

via @YouGov, 13 - 14 May"

twitter.com/britainelects/status/997458152139509760

This is the 5th YouGov poll in a row with almost identical figures. Four of them were 43/38 and one 42/38.

GIN1138 said:

A thousand Lords a leaping...

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

The wedding is not getting public funding, only the security which would be the same for any big event such as the wedding of the son or daughter or grandchild of a president

LOL , we get to pay for over 5000 police and assorted thousands other lackeys. If only we could muster that amount of police catching criminals.
PS: Given their vast fortunes have been robbed from the public we are paying for the whole sh*tfest. Given they are all unemployed they could not pay anything towards it without the public cash.

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Actually I see my polite lack of interest is generally shared - two thirds of the public aren't interested in the wedding (with little difference between the parties) and dislike it getting public funding, though they like the Queen and would not favour abolishing the monarchy (though only 30% feel strongly).

https://www.republic.org.uk/sites/default/files/Republic_MonarchyResults_180511.pdf

The wedding is not getting public funding, only the security which would be the same for any big event such as the wedding of the son or daughter or grandchild of a president

LOL , we get to pay for over 5000 police and assorted thousands other lackeys. If only we could muster that amount of police catching criminals.
PS: Given their vast fortunes have been robbed from the public we are paying for the whole sh*tfest. Given they are all unemployed they could not pay anything towards it without the public cash.

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

Other countries manage to hold second referendums without too many problems. We've all been on a learning curve over the past 2 years and it's only Conservative voters holding up the "right to Leave" side at the moment. If figures like Boris and Gove switch sides and adopt a more sober tone it will allow people space to reconsider.

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

Other countries manage to hold second referendums without too many problems. We've all been on a learning curve over the past 2 years and it's only Conservative voters holding up the "right to Leave" side at the moment. If figures like Boris and Gove switch sides and adopt a more sober tone it will allow people space to reconsider.

If we have a second referendum then Leave will get a bigger win. People really dislike being told they got it wrong and have to try again.

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

Other countries manage to hold second referendums without too many problems. We've all been on a learning curve over the past 2 years and it's only Conservative voters holding up the "right to Leave" side at the moment. If figures like Boris and Gove switch sides and adopt a more sober tone it will allow people space to reconsider.

If we have a second referendum then Leave will get a bigger win. People really dislike being told they got it wrong and have to try again.

Yep. I think Brexit would still win, on balance - partly for the reason you cite.

But we would have an airing of the facts and once decided I for one would consider the matter closed.

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT has replied to the articles in The Times I've been linking to.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/997524710886903808

As I have said repeatedly we wont end up leaving the EU at all.

If this is BINO then that doesn't count for my prediction. But BINO will probably bring May's government down and then who knows; 2nd ref etc etc.

I am still (very slimly) on course...

May's allowed Brexit to self-destruct pretty skillfully. Now we're at the stage where erstwhile Leavers will start saying there's no point and we'll end up having a second referendum which will settle the issue.

I would say though that a 2nd referendum takes us into very dangerous territory as far as division in the country is concerned.

Other countries manage to hold second referendums without too many problems. We've all been on a learning curve over the past 2 years and it's only Conservative voters holding up the "right to Leave" side at the moment. If figures like Boris and Gove switch sides and adopt a more sober tone it will allow people space to reconsider.