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It hasn’t been the best of periods for Commons Speaker, John Bercow, who now finds himself embroiled in a row of what he might or might not have said about Andrea Leadsom. This follows the bullying allegations that have been aired a lot recently.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
I don't think what he said to Andrea Leadsom is especially damaging (other than it appears to confirm a pattern of behaviour) but the bullying allegations against his staff are very damaging as if the fact he appears to want to hide from scrutiny and investigation.
In this modern day a leading public figure can't hide from transparency and fact Bercow is attempting to stop himself being investigated may well be what does for him in the end.
Actually as soon as the allegations emerged on Newsnight he should have referred himself for investigation by the Commons authorities....
If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear etc.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
@Gardenwalker - thanks for posting that NYT article about the v/c economy. Very interesting.
Thanks. It touches upon several issues of importance to me: the collapse of productivity growth; geographical inequality (winner cities vs loser regions); capitalism without capital etc etc.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Why would he?
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term.
This is not to undermine in any way Garden's point about HYUFD's knowledge of west London geography, which remains laughable.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Mr. P, 'mansplain' remains a ridiculous and obnoxious comment, regardless of whether Davidson has a point about Sheerman. The idea making a term pejorative by adding a gender-based prefix is a good thing is bloody stupid.
Completely agree. "To patronise" is the correct term and it can be done by both men and women. However some use "mansplain" as a shorthand way to dismiss a man's opinion without engaging with the point, even when it's not patronising.
Expect there is a peculiar, gender-based form of patronising. It’s a thing. Deal with it.
Yes. It is very real, although I accept that most blokes doing it are trying to be helpful.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Why would he?
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....
I wasn't sure having more than nine drams would mix very well with those "little blue pills"
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.
As a republican, I get how the wedding of the future King is important. I even get how the wedding of the future King's brother deserves coverage as a national celebration. What I don't get is how who is walking the bride down the aisle is front page news.
YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN!???
Now I would have thought the union set of republicans and Brexiters would be super small.
*raised hand*
Plus I know many more.
Republicanism: A belief we should democratically choose our own head of state. Brexitism: A belief we should democratically choose our own government.
Why are those incompatible? They're entirely consistent.
Yes well I suppose they are (further cries of "No, I am Spartacus" around the PB halls).
I just never thought about it - does it (the Brexitation) stem from your dislike of the EU inhibiting the creation of a true socialist state?
As I'm a Tory no its not.
Its my dislike of the EU being not democratic. In my eyes it is too socialist and not libertarian enough for me. We may not elect governments as right wing liberal as I like in the UK but at least in the UK I can vote for it whereas in the EU democracy is moot to continuing to project.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Why would he?
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....
I wasn't sure having more than nine drams would mix very well with those "little blue pills"
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
I see you didn't explain away the points about Jobs for life? Hereditary principle? Pomp and circumstance?
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....
What's a zebra crossing?
You know, the pedestrian crossings with the grey stripes....
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...
The predominance of politics, F1, and the Second Punic War as discussion topics does mean that disagreements there are noticed, whereas potential agreement on other things go either unnoticed entirely or more lightly remarked upon.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
I see you didn't explain away the points about Jobs for life? Hereditary principle? Pomp and circumstance?
I didn't need to explain them away because you never explained them in the first place. Kennedys = socialist ?! - ffs!
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....
What's a zebra crossing?
You know, the pedestrian crossings with the grey stripes....
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...
Mr. B, that's a damned silly argument. Bigotry in the past being bad doesn't make bigotry now a good thing, just because it's in a different direction. Would that then justify future bigotry against women?
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
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I believe max fac involves a new and untried government IT system. Therefore it will cost gazillions, take at least twice as long as planned to develop and ultimately be abandoned as unworkable.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
It doesn’t enjoy freedom in some areas as it has to abide by EU law, which may or may not be passed without the UK’s consent. Now those regulations might not be a bad thing, and may be needed to ensure smooth trading relations, but that doesn’t mean the UK is free to do as it chooses in those areas. Of course, we were always sovereign, but that doesn’t mean it could be exercised in all areas.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.
It would generally be better if Montgomerie said less tbh.
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.
It would generally be better if Montgomerie said less tbh.
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
Britain does not have the Freedom to:
* Curtail EU migrants * Make its own trade deals * Remove VAT from sanitary products * Allow theatres to retain their existing low-efficiency lighting
The list goes on.
And we were told that didn't matter as this was all voluntary by being part of the EU club. Until that is we actually try to leave, then it turns out everything will made as awkward/impossible as possible so we cannot leave.
I seem to have stumbled across the perfect litmus test for identifying the certifiable Leavers. Those that seriously try to defend the idea that Britain isn't currently free can be sent to the tailor to be measured up for the straitjacket.
I seem to have stumbled across the perfect litmus test for identifying the certifiable Leavers. Those that seriously try to defend the idea that Britain isn't currently free can be sent to the tailor to be measured up for the straitjacket.
And the remainiacs think we're 100% free. I like your system.
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Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
In this modern day a leading public figure can't hide from transparency and fact Bercow is attempting to stop himself being investigated may well be what does for him in the end.
Actually as soon as the allegations emerged on Newsnight he should have referred himself for investigation by the Commons authorities....
If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear etc.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
He's there for the rest of this parliament, and probably beyond, then ?
“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.”
I think he is being appointed because the rumours of the new manager only having a £50million war chest this summer.
That's absurd and offensive.
Do you think freedom should only be celebrated by slaves and George Michael?
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term.
This is not to undermine in any way Garden's point about HYUFD's knowledge of west London geography, which remains laughable.
That’s all the freedom we need.
I wasn't sure having more than nine drams would mix very well with those "little blue pills"
Enough to give some PBers a right old fit of the vapours ..
Its my dislike of the EU being not democratic. In my eyes it is too socialist and not libertarian enough for me. We may not elect governments as right wing liberal as I like in the UK but at least in the UK I can vote for it whereas in the EU democracy is moot to continuing to project.
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
Miss Anazina, interesting to hear it's a rare area of agreement between us.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).
I suspect we would agree on many things, we just haven't encountered many yet!
Well you know Labour like to have all their bases covered.
The predominance of politics, F1, and the Second Punic War as discussion topics does mean that disagreements there are noticed, whereas potential agreement on other things go either unnoticed entirely or more lightly remarked upon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44173954
(Or NATO for that matter. Who'd get first dibs on invoking Article 5?).
Are you mansplaining mansplaining?
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/997483364067172353
With City, United, and Liverpool with a £142 million plus to burn standing still won't be an option, especially with such a narrow transfer window.
Crouch
Such joy.
I believe max fac involves a new and untried government IT system. Therefore it will cost gazillions, take at least twice as long as planned to develop and ultimately be abandoned as unworkable.
Bollocks to Bercow
TIIIIIMBER!!!!
Britain does not have the Freedom to:
* Curtail EU migrants
* Make its own trade deals
* Remove VAT from sanitary products
* Allow theatres to retain their existing low-efficiency lighting
The list goes on.
And we were told that didn't matter as this was all voluntary by being part of the EU club. Until that is we actually try to leave, then it turns out everything will made as awkward/impossible as possible so we cannot leave.