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It hasn’t been the best of periods for Commons Speaker, John Bercow, who now finds himself embroiled in a row of what he might or might not have said about Andrea Leadsom. This follows the bullying allegations that have been aired a lot recently.
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Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
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@Gardenwalker - thanks for posting that NYT article about the v/c economy. Very interesting.0
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I don't think what he said to Andrea Leadsom is especially damaging (other than it appears to confirm a pattern of behaviour) but the bullying allegations against his staff are very damaging as if the fact he appears to want to hide from scrutiny and investigation.
In this modern day a leading public figure can't hide from transparency and fact Bercow is attempting to stop himself being investigated may well be what does for him in the end.
Actually as soon as the allegations emerged on Newsnight he should have referred himself for investigation by the Commons authorities....
If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear etc.0 -
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Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
"Needs to take inspiration from Ansene..."
He's there for the rest of this parliament, and probably beyond, then ?0 -
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
So which MP is Mikel Arteta?0
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Thanks. It touches upon several issues of importance to me: the collapse of productivity growth; geographical inequality (winner cities vs loser regions); capitalism without capital etc etc.Mortimer said:@Gardenwalker - thanks for posting that NYT article about the v/c economy. Very interesting.
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Britain already has it. The clear implication that at present it doesn't is both absurd and offensive.JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
When it comes to leaving the EU, it seems like Janis Joplin described it best,JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.”0 -
So you looking for someone who's worked under him and then gone off to do something else.TheScreamingEagles said:So which MP is Mikel Arteta?
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Are you underwhelmed by that choice?tlg86 said:
So you looking for someone who's worked under him and then gone off to do something else.TheScreamingEagles said:So which MP is Mikel Arteta?
I think he is being appointed because the rumours of the new manager only having a £50million war chest this summer.0 -
We don't have the freedom to remove VAT from women's sanitary products.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain already has it. The clear implication that at present it doesn't is both absurd and offensive.JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
That's absurd and offensive.
Do you think freedom should only be celebrated by slaves and George Michael?0 -
Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.0 -
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....GIN1138 said:
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?JackW said:
Why would he?Pulpstar said:My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
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Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term.
This is not to undermine in any way Garden's point about HYUFD's knowledge of west London geography, which remains laughable.0 -
Huh? You said they commonly describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
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Yes. It is very real, although I accept that most blokes doing it are trying to be helpful.Gardenwalker said:
Expect there is a peculiar, gender-based form of patronising. It’s a thing. Deal with it.Elliot said:
Completely agree. "To patronise" is the correct term and it can be done by both men and women. However some use "mansplain" as a shorthand way to dismiss a man's opinion without engaging with the point, even when it's not patronising.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, 'mansplain' remains a ridiculous and obnoxious comment, regardless of whether Davidson has a point about Sheerman. The idea making a term pejorative by adding a gender-based prefix is a good thing is bloody stupid.
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Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!0 -
Montgomerie is a "moderate"?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
We can still declare war on France.JonnyJimmy said:
We don't have the freedom to remove VAT from women's sanitary products.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain already has it. The clear implication that at present it doesn't is both absurd and offensive.JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
That's absurd and offensive.
Do you think freedom should only be celebrated by slaves and George Michael?
That’s all the freedom we need.0 -
Maybe they know something you don't yet.SandyRentool said:Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.0 -
JackW said:
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....GIN1138 said:
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?JackW said:
Why would he?Pulpstar said:My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
I wasn't sure having more than nine drams would mix very well with those "little blue pills" 0 -
They're looking for a yes man who won't complain about the average players purchased by the powers that be.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you underwhelmed by that choice?tlg86 said:
So you looking for someone who's worked under him and then gone off to do something else.TheScreamingEagles said:So which MP is Mikel Arteta?
I think he is being appointed because the rumours of the new manager only having a £50million war chest this summer.0 -
Is Mike suggesting that Bercow does an Arsene and spend 22 years in post ?!?
Enough to give some PBers a right old fit of the vapours ..
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Socialism for the few, not the many!Anazina said:
Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!0 -
A lot of the councillors around my way seem to have no clue that they are one.rottenborough said:
Maybe they know something you don't yet.SandyRentool said:Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.0 -
RobD said:
Socialism for the few, not the many!Anazina said:
Indeed the monarchy is the world's most generous welfare state.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism! 0 -
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As I'm a Tory no its not.TOPPING said:
Yes well I suppose they are (further cries of "No, I am Spartacus" around the PB halls).Philip_Thompson said:
*raised hand*TOPPING said:
YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN!???Elliot said:As a republican, I get how the wedding of the future King is important. I even get how the wedding of the future King's brother deserves coverage as a national celebration. What I don't get is how who is walking the bride down the aisle is front page news.
Now I would have thought the union set of republicans and Brexiters would be super small.
Plus I know many more.
Republicanism: A belief we should democratically choose our own head of state.
Brexitism: A belief we should democratically choose our own government.
Why are those incompatible? They're entirely consistent.
I just never thought about it - does it (the Brexitation) stem from your dislike of the EU inhibiting the creation of a true socialist state?
Its my dislike of the EU being not democratic. In my eyes it is too socialist and not libertarian enough for me. We may not elect governments as right wing liberal as I like in the UK but at least in the UK I can vote for it whereas in the EU democracy is moot to continuing to project.0 -
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White! 0 -
I'm sure one will rise to the occasion ....GIN1138 said:JackW said:
Only nine drams !!! .... what a piss poor show ....GIN1138 said:
Assume you and Lady Jack will be raising a wee dram (or nine) to the happy couple tomorrow?JackW said:
Why would he?Pulpstar said:My only wish for tommorow is that Henry doesn't go too mad with the razor
Perhaps the likely next Duke of Sussex likes the look .... but more importantly what Scottish peerage will be conferred upon Prince Henry .... Earl of Auchentennach ? ....
I wasn't sure having more than nine drams would mix very well with those "little blue pills"0 -
He poses as one.Philip_Thompson said:
Montgomerie is a "moderate"?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
Mr. Rentool, were you standing Schrodinger South?
Miss Anazina, interesting to hear it's a rare area of agreement between us.0 -
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!0 -
Come the day of the revolution...rottenborough said:
Maybe they know something you don't yet.SandyRentool said:Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.0 -
Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
On topic, I don't think the 6-4 is a very good bet but Bercow has been shown up for the disgrace he is recently.0
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What's a zebra crossing?RobD said:
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!0 -
Morris
I suspect we would agree on many things, we just haven't encountered many yet!0 -
Dent-Coad and Williamson joint Favs ?rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
I see you didn't explain away the points about Jobs for life? Hereditary principle? Pomp and circumstance?Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White! 0 -
DC just nosing ahead judging by the comments in the twitter feed.Pulpstar said:
Dent-Coad and Williamson joint Favs ?rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
I haven't taken Continuity IDS seriously in nearly two decades....but I'm pleased if you think it helps your case....AlastairMeeks said:Knock yourself out:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
Another shooting in US.0
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SandyRentool said:
Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.
Well you know Labour like to have all their bases covered.
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You know, the pedestrian crossings with the grey stripes....Benpointer said:
What's a zebra crossing?RobD said:
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!
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I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...Anazina said:Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
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Miss Anazina, that's probably true
The predominance of politics, F1, and the Second Punic War as discussion topics does mean that disagreements there are noticed, whereas potential agreement on other things go either unnoticed entirely or more lightly remarked upon.0 -
I thought there might be a chance of a religious MP , complaining about divorcees been allowed to marry in church.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
I didn't need to explain them away because you never explained them in the first place. Kennedys = socialist ?! - ffs!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I see you didn't explain away the points about Jobs for life? Hereditary principle? Pomp and circumstance?Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White!0 -
To whom? Continuity IDS quit the party under Cameron over Europe. When has he ever been described as a moderate?AlastairMeeks said:
He poses as one.Philip_Thompson said:
Montgomerie is a "moderate"?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
RobD said:
You know, the pedestrian crossings with the grey stripes....Benpointer said:
What's a zebra crossing?RobD said:
Be careful when you next encounter a zebra crossing.....Benpointer said:
Black is essentially White! "What are you on about, Ben?" I hear you cry!Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!
Well, consider:
1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!
2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!
Well, consider:
1) Black is an extreme form of grey; so is White!
2) Black and White a both signifiers of plain truth, as in "it's there in black and white"!
3) Black is often used as a surname; so is White!
So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Black = White! 0 -
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...Nigelb said:
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...Anazina said:Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...0 -
Yorkcity said:
I thought there might be a chance of a religious MP , complaining about divorcees been allowed to marry in church.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby). 0 -
School shooting reported in the US:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-441739540 -
Mr. B, that's a damned silly argument. Bigotry in the past being bad doesn't make bigotry now a good thing, just because it's in a different direction. Would that then justify future bigotry against women?0
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Not sure it would be wholly compatible with membership of the EU .TheScreamingEagles said:
We can still declare war on France.JonnyJimmy said:
We don't have the freedom to remove VAT from women's sanitary products.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain already has it. The clear implication that at present it doesn't is both absurd and offensive.JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
That's absurd and offensive.
Do you think freedom should only be celebrated by slaves and George Michael?
That’s all the freedom we need.
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You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
RobD said:
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...Nigelb said:
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...Anazina said:Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
Are you mansplaining mansplaining?
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Guilty as charged.MarkHopkins said:RobD said:
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...Nigelb said:
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...Anazina said:Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
Are you mansplaining mansplaining? 0 -
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The best known religious MP at the moment would presumably say it's nothing to do with him, it's not his church.Yorkcity said:
I thought there might be a chance of a religious MP , complaining about divorcees been allowed to marry in church.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
A shame for Arsenal fans.tlg86 said:
They're looking for a yes man who won't complain about the average players purchased by the powers that be.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you underwhelmed by that choice?tlg86 said:
So you looking for someone who's worked under him and then gone off to do something else.TheScreamingEagles said:So which MP is Mikel Arteta?
I think he is being appointed because the rumours of the new manager only having a £50million war chest this summer.
With City, United, and Liverpool with a £142 million plus to burn standing still won't be an option, especially with such a narrow transfer window.0 -
We can just invoke the Treaty of Troyes. NATO would have no choice but to back our rightful claim.Carolus_Rex said:
Not sure it would be wholly compatible with membership of the EU .TheScreamingEagles said:
We can still declare war on France.JonnyJimmy said:
We don't have the freedom to remove VAT from women's sanitary products.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain already has it. The clear implication that at present it doesn't is both absurd and offensive.JonnyJimmy said:
Don't you like freedom?AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
That's absurd and offensive.
Do you think freedom should only be celebrated by slaves and George Michael?
That’s all the freedom we need.
(Or NATO for that matter. Who'd get first dibs on invoking Article 5?).0 -
TraceyTheScreamingEagles said:So which MP is Mikel Arteta?
Crouch0 -
Solution Hypothesised As Making Britain Leave Europe SlowlyCarlottaVance said:Anyone looking for a p*ss up in a brewery?
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/9974833640671723530 -
Covering all the bases.SandyRentool said:Slight cock-up in Jezza's office: I've just received an email congratulating me on being elected as a councillor.
This arrived 6 minutes after the email saying hard luck you didn't win, but thanks for standing.0 -
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
No need to patronise his patronising.MarkHopkins said:RobD said:
So it’s basically like positive discrimination? Giving them a taste of their own medicine...Nigelb said:
I think it fair enough, given how many insulting gendered terms women have been on the receiving end of in the past. The annoyance it creates is probably a feature rather than a bug...Anazina said:Previous thread
I would tend to agree with @MorrisDancer about the word mansplaining. Not only is it a contrived neologism, I don't know why we need yet another gendered term...
Are you mansplaining mansplaining?
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Just in time for the longstop date for the next general election. I can't see that being at all problematic.CarlottaVance said:Anyone looking for a p*ss up in a brewery?
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/9974833640671723530 -
More likely he'd say it is his church - stolen 480 years ago.Carolus_Rex said:
The best known religious MP at the moment would presumably say it's nothing to do with him, it's not his church.Yorkcity said:
I thought there might be a chance of a religious MP , complaining about divorcees been allowed to marry in church.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680
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So the next general election might be about Brexit, again.CarlottaVance said:Anyone looking for a p*ss up in a brewery?
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/997483364067172353
Such joy.0 -
Benpointer said:
Solution Hypothesised As Making Britain Leave Europe SlowlyCarlottaVance said:Anyone looking for a p*ss up in a brewery?
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/997483364067172353
I believe max fac involves a new and untried government IT system. Therefore it will cost gazillions, take at least twice as long as planned to develop and ultimately be abandoned as unworkable.0 -
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Bollocks to Bercow0 -
Very well arguedJonnyJimmy said:On topic
Bollocks to Bercow 0 -
Uh oh, Carlotta is wobbling.CarlottaVance said:Anyone looking for a p*ss up in a brewery?
TIIIIIMBER!!!!0 -
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.JonnyJimmy said:
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.AlastairMeeks said:
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.JonnyJimmy said:
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
Would probanly be disappointed as the participant ,was schooled in the Catholic religion.Carolus_Rex said:
The best known religious MP at the moment would presumably say it's nothing to do with him, it's not his church.Yorkcity said:
I thought there might be a chance of a religious MP , complaining about divorcees been allowed to marry in church.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
It doesn’t enjoy freedom in some areas as it has to abide by EU law, which may or may not be passed without the UK’s consent. Now those regulations might not be a bad thing, and may be needed to ensure smooth trading relations, but that doesn’t mean the UK is free to do as it chooses in those areas. Of course, we were always sovereign, but that doesn’t mean it could be exercised in all areas.AlastairMeeks said:
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.JonnyJimmy said:
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
It would generally be better if Montgomerie said less tbh.JonnyJimmy said:
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.AlastairMeeks said:
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.JonnyJimmy said:
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/9971720718211276800 -
Benpointer said:
It would generally be better if Montgomerie said less tbh.JonnyJimmy said:
You're completely right. The utter bastard should have said more.AlastairMeeks said:
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.JonnyJimmy said:
You seem to have quite a mad problem with the word freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, you think that what we currently have is not properly described as freedom. I regard that as absurd and offensive, a state of mind that only those whose anti-EU obsessiveness has driven mad could consider a tenable description.JonnyJimmy said:
You didn't cite an example of the EU described as a malign power; what you cited describes the sclerotic mess we need to disentangle ourselves from. To get, you know what, freedom.AlastairMeeks said:
As promised, I cited one from yesterday. In response, you made it clear that you think VAT-free Tampax is the litmus test for identifying a free country. Given your eccentric starting point, I'm not sure that trying to persuade you is going to be a fruitful endeavour.JonnyJimmy said:
If leavers absurdly, disgustingly and routinely describe the EU as a malign authoritarian power, you ought to be able to specifically cite plenty of highly amusing examples.AlastairMeeks said:
If you're unable to read what I wrote originally, that's your problem.RobD said:
Probably the bit about the EU being a malign authoritarian power.AlastairMeeks said:FPT:
Knock yourself out:CarlottaVance said:
Citation required...AlastairMeeks said:
Only yesterday a well-known commentator who poses as a Leave moderate described Britain as being on a "transition to freedom". The routine way in which Leave advocates describe the EU as some form of malign authoritarian power is both absurd and disgusting.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/997172071821127680 ie. To "more" freedom 0 -
AlastairMeeks said:
The problematic word in Tim Montgomerie's tweet is not "freedom" but "to". What the hell do he (and you) think that Britain currently has? The idea that Britain does not currently enjoy freedom is grotesque.
Britain does not have the Freedom to:
* Curtail EU migrants
* Make its own trade deals
* Remove VAT from sanitary products
* Allow theatres to retain their existing low-efficiency lighting
The list goes on.
And we were told that didn't matter as this was all voluntary by being part of the EU club. Until that is we actually try to leave, then it turns out everything will made as awkward/impossible as possible so we cannot leave.
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I seem to have stumbled across the perfect litmus test for identifying the certifiable Leavers. Those that seriously try to defend the idea that Britain isn't currently free can be sent to the tailor to be measured up for the straitjacket.0
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And the remainiacs think we're 100% free. I like your system.AlastairMeeks said:I seem to have stumbled across the perfect litmus test for identifying the certifiable Leavers. Those that seriously try to defend the idea that Britain isn't currently free can be sent to the tailor to be measured up for the straitjacket.
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I reckon it will be a Tory saying something clearly racist without even realising it.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
Polonium poisoning?Scott_P said:0 -
What is this wedding of which you speak?Pulpstar said:
Dent-Coad and Williamson joint Favs ?rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
For different reasons I'll pick Nicholas Soames in this virtual sweepstake.SandyRentool said:
I reckon it will be a Tory saying something clearly racist without even realising it.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
FPT Re Ranil Jayawardena being 25/1 for next PM with PP. He's 100/1 with Shadsy to be next Tory leader (16/1 with PP)0
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I'll go for BoJo - a lazy pick if ever there was one!AlastairMeeks said:
For different reasons I'll pick Nicholas Soames in this virtual sweepstake.SandyRentool said:
I reckon it will be a Tory saying something clearly racist without even realising it.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).0 -
One of the Royals you mean ?SandyRentool said:
I reckon it will be a Tory saying something clearly racist without even realising it.rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby).
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If you weren't an ex-MP, that might be entry for the sweepstakeNickPalmer said:
What is this wedding of which you speak?Pulpstar said:
Dent-Coad and Williamson joint Favs ?rottenborough said:Here's one for PB:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/997491472646770689
I suggest Williamson (Derby). 0
