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Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.0
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Considering Black Wednesday was the direct result of the Eurofanatics trying to tie us closer to the EU it is ironic to see one of he current crop of Tory Eurofanatics (who probably loved the ERM) referencing that event.Scott_P said:0 -
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Charles said:
But surely "to be spoofed" is to be deceived, thus unspoofable can also mean unable to be deceived?Barnesian said:
Disagree. I think “a spoof” is a deception while “to spoof” is to create a deception, not “to deceive”Philip_Thompson said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.Barnesian said:
Apart from that not being the meaning, of course you will in your anecdotes have Tories use the word against you, you're left wing. You're hardly likely to get lefties saying it now. If and when other lefties (like the Guardian link) use the meme it is going to be aimed at Tories and other right wingers and not from them.kle4 said:
I don't know how to search PB for examples. But I do remember that on the two or three occasions it has been used against a comment of mine, it has been by a PB Tory.The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
Again, I am baffled that you think that - I find it highly improbable that only Tories have ever said 'unspooofable', therefore while it may be a meme, the idea it is a 'PB Tory' meme strikes me as very unlikely.Anazina said:
LOL at that last one. ‘Unspoofable’ is another favourite of PB Tories as wellThe_Apocalypse said:
Ha! Indeed. Other weird PB Tory obsessions I have noted with dismay include:AndyJS said:
Some on this site seem obsessed with this topic, it’s odd. Especially since Conservatives state that they dislike identity politics.TheScreamingEagles said:
prime minister and the first non-white PM as well.AndyJS said:
1. Writing “it’s a view” when they mean “I disagree” - deeply overused and unfunny
2. Invoking the five stages of grief (usually at Remainers) - deeply overused and unfunny
3. Telling us, over and again, how they didn’t like the Tube scene in His Darkest Hour
You might as well say talking about pineapples on Pizza is a PB Tory obsession. It's true, but are they the only ones doing it?
It is an irritating comment. It actually means can't be spoofed i.e. can't be fooled but it is just used as an insult.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
Hence “unspoofable” means “impossible to create a deception” not “can’t be deceived”
(Although I also agree that it's usually used to mean "beyond parody".)0 -
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
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He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
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Brilliant!Scott_P said:0 -
That is outstanding.Scott_P said:0 -
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How many people have put their names forward for Lewisham East?0
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Don't banned posters just come back reincarated as someone else?Theuniondivvie said:
I'd imagine if the posters in question abased themselves before Yahweh Smithson, they might be able to creep back.DavidL said:
I am sure it is a badge of pride Divvie.Theuniondivvie said:
He was banned.DavidL said:
I’d forgotten that. Whatever happened to him?Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
I think pound for pound we Gnats have had more bans than any other party, unless you consider the Holocaust deniers as such.
It’s not my site but I regret the loss of the posters I disagree with more than the others. The site needs diversity of views.
Hardly likely in the cases of the guys I'm thinking about though.0 -
I fear he'll need to self-identify as a total loon to get through this selection process.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
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Broken sleazy LibDems on the slide
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He's...naïve. Perhaps childlike is a better way of putting it. He quotes from science-fiction novels ("...that hideous strength..."), holds childlike views ("wouldn't you prefer to trade with your friends"), has a simple, innocent faith in his view of the world and believes that those who disagree are bad and anything that goes wrong is due to bad people. Such simple faith is admirable but perhaps not best suited to positions of responsibility.Casino_Royale said:Not that I want to give succour to Remainers but what has Dan Hannan actually done about it?
I used to be a big fan of Dan’s and, particularly since he’s been the leading advocate of it for so long, I expected him to take some ownership, responsibility and bloody well get stuck in - just like Gove has. And so has Davis, to be fair. And as I offered to do for DexEU.
Instead he’s been academically pontificating on the sidelines. Not impressed.
Parenthetically, you could describe quite a few modern pols as man-children: Corbyn, Rees-Mogg, and of course Boris. May, for all her problems (list available upon request) is at least a grown-up.
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Other playground equipment is also available...Sunil_Prasannan said:Broken sleazy LibDems on the slide
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You missed Trump from your list.viewcode said:
He's...naïve. Perhaps childlike is a better way of putting it. He quotes from science-fiction novels ("...that hideous strength..."), holds childlike views ("wouldn't you prefer to trade with your friends"), has a simple, innocent faith in his view of the world and believes that those who disagree are bad and anything that goes wrong is due to bad people. Such simple faith is admirable but perhaps not best suited to positions of responsibility.Casino_Royale said:Not that I want to give succour to Remainers but what has Dan Hannan actually done about it?
I used to be a big fan of Dan’s and, particularly since he’s been the leading advocate of it for so long, I expected him to take some ownership, responsibility and bloody well get stuck in - just like Gove has. And so has Davis, to be fair. And as I offered to do for DexEU.
Instead he’s been academically pontificating on the sidelines. Not impressed.
Parenthetically, you could describe quite a few modern pols as man-children: Corbyn, Rees-Mogg, and of course Boris. May, for all her problems (list available upon request) is at least a grown-up.0 -
"Britain's policies on austerity, immigration and terrorism are racist, says UN inspector"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/11/uk-policies-austerity-immigration-fighting-terrorism-racist/0 -
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... ) 0 -
You calculated the Swing?SandyRentool said:
Other playground equipment is also available...Sunil_Prasannan said:Broken sleazy LibDems on the slide
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I agree. The Lib Dems have proven effective in some middle-class Tory Remain areas of pre-existing strength. Lewisham does not fit that description, by some distance.The_Taxman said:
I cannot see the LD doing very well, they only got 2,000 votes in 2017 and that is 30,000 votes behind Labour. This will be an overwhelming Labour hold unfortunately and will strengthen Corbyn's grip on the PLP. Some of the ramping about LD prospects are laughable.Rogueywon said:I doubt Lewisham East will be interesting at all. I lived there for 7 years and it will vote overwhelmingly for Labour whoever the candidate and whatever the campaign. I doubt the national effects of the antisemitism row will be mirrored in Lewisham - it's telling that two of the front-runners for the candidacy have already been identified as having made troubling social media posts.
There are a few corners of the constituency around Blackheath and Grove Park which are a bit bluer, but they're very much in the minority. The LDs were a distant third in GE2017 and while the bookies are getting excited about their chances in 2018, I just don't see the constituency having the right demographics for them to make a credible challenge to Labour.
I can't see any sense in betting on anything other than a very strong Labour hold. Turnout levels may be more interesting and telling than the actual vote share.
Against Labour, the Lib Dems have had some good local by-election results but a parliamentary by-election is a different kettle of fish and the fact that the postal votes will go out in about 3 weeks gives them next to no time to organise.
If Labour pick some anti-EU Marxist then yes, the LDs might stand a Haringey-style chance, particularly if that leads to open internal warfare within Labour. But as long as they remain sellably mainstream, theycan canter in.0 -
In a roundabout way.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You calculated the Swing?SandyRentool said:
Other playground equipment is also available...Sunil_Prasannan said:Broken sleazy LibDems on the slide
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The EU needs the UK. The UK needs the EU more. We're talking orders of magnitude.DavidL said:
But they do. And eventually, unless we just give in, that will count.Benpointer said:
She is plainly not dumb; she's totally nailed the idiocy of the Leave camp, many of whom are now running around in increasingly tighter circles looking for someone to blame.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hyde displays her profound ignorance there. Hannan is anything but a populist as anyone who has actually read anything he has ever written will know. The woman is dumber than a bag of rocks.Scott_P said:And now there’s Daniel Hannan, who popped up this week to agree the bed was being shat – I paraphrase slightly – and to concede that those suggesting Brexit is not working out quite how he thought it would “have got a point”. As Hannan put it: “I had assumed that, by now, we’d have reached a broad national consensus around a moderate form of withdrawal that recognised the narrowness of the result.” Had you? “Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups” – and if you weren’t a plastic populist, you’d have picked that up from Under Siege 2: Dark Territory.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/11/brexit-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-house-of-lords
Remember "they need us more than we need them"? Not hearing that so much these days?0 -
'Identify' is a transitive verb and requires an object.viewcode said:
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... )
('Self-identify', on the other hand, is intransitive.)0 -
Amazing to think that Lewisham East and West were Tory seats in the Thatcher landslides. Indeed many of those 'half way' into central London seats were Tory in 1983 and 1987. I'd like to see a real challenge to Labour but like others I don't see it materialising here. Lets see.0
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It's another 'feature' of Vanilla!Ishmael_Z said:
Well done finding that, I find archive searches on PB virtually impossible.Barnesian said:Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
You're right. It is not just PB Tories..Mick_Pork said:
Unspoofable.CarlottaVance said:
You evidently didn't hear the C4 interview then. Despite Krishnan G-M's best efforts he did not intervene in the Indy ref.....Mick_Pork said:*tears of laughter*
PLEASE have more tory twits like Hammond intervene.
Priceless.
Do you think an Independent Scotland will get the Type 26 destroyer order?
It will be announced late 2014.....
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Goddamn it, you might be right!Benpointer said:
'Identify' is a transitive verb and requires an object.viewcode said:
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... )
('Self-identify', on the other hand, is intransitive.)
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Indeed.Benpointer said:
You missed Trump from your list.viewcode said:
He's...naïve. Perhaps childlike is a better way of putting it. He quotes from science-fiction novels ("...that hideous strength..."), holds childlike views ("wouldn't you prefer to trade with your friends"), has a simple, innocent faith in his view of the world and believes that those who disagree are bad and anything that goes wrong is due to bad people. Such simple faith is admirable but perhaps not best suited to positions of responsibility.Casino_Royale said:Not that I want to give succour to Remainers but what has Dan Hannan actually done about it?
I used to be a big fan of Dan’s and, particularly since he’s been the leading advocate of it for so long, I expected him to take some ownership, responsibility and bloody well get stuck in - just like Gove has. And so has Davis, to be fair. And as I offered to do for DexEU.
Instead he’s been academically pontificating on the sidelines. Not impressed.
Parenthetically, you could describe quite a few modern pols as man-children: Corbyn, Rees-Mogg, and of course Boris. May, for all her problems (list available upon request) is at least a grown-up.0 -
It has been rumoured so..Benpointer said:
Don't banned posters just come back reincarated as someone else?Theuniondivvie said:
I'd imagine if the posters in question abased themselves before Yahweh Smithson, they might be able to creep back.DavidL said:
I am sure it is a badge of pride Divvie.Theuniondivvie said:
He was banned.DavidL said:
I’d forgotten that. Whatever happened to him?Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
I think pound for pound we Gnats have had more bans than any other party, unless you consider the Holocaust deniers as such.
It’s not my site but I regret the loss of the posters I disagree with more than the others. The site needs diversity of views.
Hardly likely in the cases of the guys I'm thinking about though.0 -
'Self-identify' is pretty ugly tbf. But what's the alternative?...viewcode said:
Goddamn it, you might be right!Benpointer said:
'Identify' is a transitive verb and requires an object.viewcode said:
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... )
('Self-identify', on the other hand, is intransitive.)
(grumble grumble grumble it's still shorter grumble grumble)
"He could always identify himself herself as a woman" ??0 -
The UN would have more credibility on such matters if Saudi Arabia wasn't on their human rights council.Scott_P said:0 -
I think we deserve to see a definitive list.Theuniondivvie said:
It has been rumoured so..Benpointer said:
Don't banned posters just come back reincarated as someone else?Theuniondivvie said:
I'd imagine if the posters in question abased themselves before Yahweh Smithson, they might be able to creep back.DavidL said:
I am sure it is a badge of pride Divvie.Theuniondivvie said:
He was banned.DavidL said:
I’d forgotten that. Whatever happened to him?Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
I think pound for pound we Gnats have had more bans than any other party, unless you consider the Holocaust deniers as such.
It’s not my site but I regret the loss of the posters I disagree with more than the others. The site needs diversity of views.
Hardly likely in the cases of the guys I'm thinking about though.
Or perhaps posters could self-identify as their former selves?0 -
We should have a 'rogues list' of recently banned posters at the top of the page so that we can all play spot the reincarnatee (if that's a word?).Theuniondivvie said:
It has been rumoured so..Benpointer said:
Don't banned posters just come back reincarated as someone else?Theuniondivvie said:
I'd imagine if the posters in question abased themselves before Yahweh Smithson, they might be able to creep back.DavidL said:
I am sure it is a badge of pride Divvie.Theuniondivvie said:
He was banned.DavidL said:
I’d forgotten that. Whatever happened to him?Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
I think pound for pound we Gnats have had more bans than any other party, unless you consider the Holocaust deniers as such.
It’s not my site but I regret the loss of the posters I disagree with more than the others. The site needs diversity of views.
Hardly likely in the cases of the guys I'm thinking about though.0 -
You could always go with "identify" and leave the object dangling (oooo-er). But it's one of those things: precision versus ease. I am torn.Benpointer said:
'Self-identify' is pretty ugly tbf. But what's the alternative?...viewcode said:
Goddamn it, you might be right!Benpointer said:
'Identify' is a transitive verb and requires an object.viewcode said:
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... )
('Self-identify', on the other hand, is intransitive.)
(grumble grumble grumble it's still shorter grumble grumble)
"He could always identify himself herself as a woman" ??
My train stop is coming up: gotta go.
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I think you're right, the object is implied and obvious. But 'self-identify' is not wrong.viewcode said:
You could always go with "identify" and leave the object dangling (oooo-er). But it's one of those things: precision versus ease. I am torn.Benpointer said:
'Self-identify' is pretty ugly tbf. But what's the alternative?...viewcode said:
Goddamn it, you might be right!Benpointer said:
'Identify' is a transitive verb and requires an object.viewcode said:
The prefix "self-" in the term "self-identify" is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
He could always self-identify as a woman to overcome that.Scott_P said:
Wrong genderAlastairMeeks said:Labour could do a lot worse than Tom Willetts for Lewisham East. He’s local, a dedicated activist and his twitter feed is extraordinarily wholesome.
(apols, but I have this pedant gene ... )
('Self-identify', on the other hand, is intransitive.)
(grumble grumble grumble it's still shorter grumble grumble)
"He could always identify himself herself as a woman" ??
My train stop is coming up: gotta go.0 -
The UN calls us waycist ? Lol.
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Clearly you know very little about him. He certainly doesn't think that those who disagree with him are bad nor that failures are due to bad people. If you actually bothered to read any of his writings you would find his position is far closer to that of many Lib Dems than it is to classic Tories.viewcode said:
He's...naïve. Perhaps childlike is a better way of putting it. He quotes from science-fiction novels ("...that hideous strength..."), holds childlike views ("wouldn't you prefer to trade with your friends"), has a simple, innocent faith in his view of the world and believes that those who disagree are bad and anything that goes wrong is due to bad people. Such simple faith is admirable but perhaps not best suited to positions of responsibility.Casino_Royale said:Not that I want to give succour to Remainers but what has Dan Hannan actually done about it?
I used to be a big fan of Dan’s and, particularly since he’s been the leading advocate of it for so long, I expected him to take some ownership, responsibility and bloody well get stuck in - just like Gove has. And so has Davis, to be fair. And as I offered to do for DexEU.
Instead he’s been academically pontificating on the sidelines. Not impressed.
Parenthetically, you could describe quite a few modern pols as man-children: Corbyn, Rees-Mogg, and of course Boris. May, for all her problems (list available upon request) is at least a grown-up.
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It seems as though the UN envoy is a junior academic.Elliot said:
The UN would have more credibility on such matters if Saudi Arabia wasn't on their human rights council.Scott_P said:
Her publication list includes
Migration as Decolonization; Governing Xenophobia; The Fact of Xenophobia and the Fiction of State Sovereignty: Syria and the Responsibility to Protect Refugees: Structural Xenophobic Discrimination
Perusing these documents, it is clear she believes that migration is the legitimate dismantling of economic inequality originating in the European colonial project.0 -
Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
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The Guardian has recent form for publicising junior academics as “experts”.YBarddCwsc said:
It seems as though the UN envoy is a junior academic.Elliot said:
The UN would have more credibility on such matters if Saudi Arabia wasn't on their human rights council.Scott_P said:
Her publication list includes
Migration as Decolonization; Governing Xenophobia; The Fact of Xenophobia and the Fiction of State Sovereignty: Syria and the Responsibility to Protect Refugees: Structural Xenophobic Discrimination
Perusing these documents, it is clear she believes that migration is the legitimate dismantling of economic inequality originating in the European colonial project.0 -
The PB Tories.
Unspoofable.0 -
This is the one post where +1 is justified.SandyRentool said:
I think we deserve to see a definitive list.Theuniondivvie said:
It has been rumoured so..Benpointer said:
Don't banned posters just come back reincarated as someone else?Theuniondivvie said:
I'd imagine if the posters in question abased themselves before Yahweh Smithson, they might be able to creep back.DavidL said:
I am sure it is a badge of pride Divvie.Theuniondivvie said:
He was banned.DavidL said:
I’d forgotten that. Whatever happened to him?Ishmael_Z said:
Come to think of it, it was the war-cry of Mick Pork, second only to tim as the scourge of PB tories.DavidL said:
Agreed. But it is lazy.Ishmael_Z said:
I promise you it doesn't mean that. It means "beyond parody".Barnesian said:
I take your point. Let's both watch out for examples to see if there is a pattern.
Spoof means deceive as in the pub game or in computing. Unspoofable therefore means can't be deceived or fooled. I note it has a secondary meaning of "gently satirize" which I assume is the sense used on PB. Anyway it is a lazy insult.
I think pound for pound we Gnats have had more bans than any other party, unless you consider the Holocaust deniers as such.
It’s not my site but I regret the loss of the posters I disagree with more than the others. The site needs diversity of views.
Hardly likely in the cases of the guys I'm thinking about though.
Or perhaps posters could self-identify as their former selves?0 -
TGOHF said:
Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
Just throwing a philosophical question out there.TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
If people are taxed on their work, why shouldn’t robots be?0 -
"If there is no robot heaven then where do all the calculators go when they die?"TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
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What benefits do robots get?Anazina said:TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
Just throwing a philosophical question out there.TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
If people are taxed on their work, why shouldn’t robots be?0 -
"Do Corbynites dream of steam-powered sheep?"Richard_Tyndall said:
"If there is no robot heaven then where do all the calculators go when they die?"TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
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Define a robot. Should a teasmaid pay tax? What about your smart phone? Is Siri going to be raided at dawn by Customs and Excise?RobD said:
What benefits do robots get?Anazina said:TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
Just throwing a philosophical question out there.TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
If people are taxed on their work, why shouldn’t robots be?0 -
Because as a practical solution to what might be a serious political problem in the relatively near future, it’s utterly impractical compared to the other means of taxation available ?Anazina said:TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
Just throwing a philosophical question out there.TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
If people are taxed on their work, why shouldn’t robots be?
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Taxes almost always target the moment when money changes hands: from person to corporation (VAT), from corporation to person (income tax), etc. This is because this is the point at which value can be assessed.Richard_Tyndall said:
Define a robot. Should a teasmaid pay tax? What about your smart phone? Is Siri going to be raided at dawn by Customs and Excise?RobD said:
What benefits do robots get?Anazina said:TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
Just throwing a philosophical question out there.TGOHF said:Bad news for automated check outs in supermarkets - the luddites are coming.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/995063500677484546?s=21
If people are taxed on their work, why shouldn’t robots be?
What is the value that is being assessed in the case of a robot? Will it be based on notional output? How is that measured in the case that a robot is perhaps one tenth of a production line? If a man presses a button and a machine acts, is that a robot? What differentiates a robot from an automated production line?
And most importantly: surely the output from a robot is already taxed through the profits of a firm? And if it is not, perhaps the problem is the way corporation tax is avoided, rather than the existence of robots.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/11/jack-straw-give-evidence-role-libyan-rendition-abdel-hakim-belhaj-fatima-boudchar
Jack Straw should be hauled up and made to answer.0 -
No googling.
Late night quiz question: three men served as cabinet ministers continually from the beginning of Blair's Premiership in 1997, to the end of Brown's in 2010.
Jack Straw goes without saying, but who are the other two?0 -
Is the PM technically a Cabinet minister?rcs1000 said:No googling.
Late night quiz question: three men served as cabinet ministers continually from the beginning of Blair's Premiership in 1997, to the end of Brown's in 2010.
Jack Straw goes without saying, but who are the other two?
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Yes, and very good, you just knocked off one.RobD said:
Is the PM technically a Cabinet minister?rcs1000 said:No googling.
Late night quiz question: three men served as cabinet ministers continually from the beginning of Blair's Premiership in 1997, to the end of Brown's in 2010.
Jack Straw goes without saying, but who are the other two?0 -
I have no clue about the other one. I know Reid had a lot of positions, but not sure if he was in the Cabinet way back in '97.rcs1000 said:
Yes, and very good, you just knocked off one.RobD said:
Is the PM technically a Cabinet minister?rcs1000 said:No googling.
Late night quiz question: three men served as cabinet ministers continually from the beginning of Blair's Premiership in 1997, to the end of Brown's in 2010.
Jack Straw goes without saying, but who are the other two?0 -
I totally cheated and looked it up. I should have remembered him.0
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Move over...RobD said:I totally cheated and looked it up. I should have remembered him.
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Knocked off two?rcs1000 said:
Yes, and very good, you just knocked off one.RobD said:
Is the PM technically a Cabinet minister?rcs1000 said:No googling.
Late night quiz question: three men served as cabinet ministers continually from the beginning of Blair's Premiership in 1997, to the end of Brown's in 2010.
Jack Straw goes without saying, but who are the other two?0 -
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