A Labour minority government on the basis of this highly satisfactory result for Labour has emerged as a real possibility but these elections will be remembered for the Tory shambles of Voter ID,which could well have swung it for the Tories in Swindon where it was so close.
FFS stop spreading utter bollocks.
All Swindon voters had to do was turn up with their polling cards. That is it. If people didn't, they only had themselves to blame. And they had the option of returning home, collecting their polling cards and returning to vote.
That is not a shambles. That is not disenfranchising ANYONE.
Just stop with the relentless bollocks you are spouting on this subject.
A Labour minority government on the basis of this highly satisfactory result for Labour has emerged as a real possibility but these elections will be remembered for the Tory shambles of Voter ID,which could well have swung it for the Tories in Swindon where it was so close.
It'll be remembered as the time the Labour Party made Jewish voters so afraid that they kicked them in the ballots.
An unwisely vague choice of phrase perhaps - she's given up trying to convince them so is going to join the Tories?
She'd be better off joining the Liberals in Yardley!
Well I didn't seriously think she would ever contemplate going Tory, but I am seriously shocked her tweet is not filled with 'Well you should just join the Tories, you b*tch' type comments in reply. Twitter, I owe you an apology for once
A Labour minority government on the basis of this highly satisfactory result for Labour has emerged as a real possibility but these elections will be remembered for the Tory shambles of Voter ID,which could well have swung it for the Tories in Swindon where it was so close.
One, while they are hardly a disaster I don't know how the result could be called highly satisfactory for Labour given they did clearly fall short of some key targets (not all easy, but missing most of them has to have been less than satisfactory) even if Tory elation in relief should be tempered and two, I don't think the elections will be remembered for that - I spent the night doing updates and following twitter feeds commenting on the elections, and I barely saw any comments to that effect even during the dull period before results started coming in. I'm no gung ho supporter of the trialed measures, but I also don't think, at present, there has been such a failure as to outrage, particularly since so many complaints have been absurdly hyperbolic.
Certainly if it were to be the thing these elections are remembered for I think we'd be seeing more of it right now. More may emerge, but we'd have seen more by now. The Labour group leader in Swindon is not even quoted as commenting on it in the BBC write up, and I think he would have given it was so close.
Also, a Labour minority, at the least, was already a real possibility before these elections given the state of play.
A Labour minority government on the basis of this highly satisfactory result for Labour has emerged as a real possibility but these elections will be remembered for the Tory shambles of Voter ID,which could well have swung it for the Tories in Swindon where it was so close.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
Early results from the good ol' RBK are looking good for the LDs: by my reckoning they've picked up 5 seats from the Tories and 2 from Labour in the first five wards to declare.
Lib Dems up 54 now. Catching Labour again. They are going to miss out their credit due to this late reporting.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
Islington is 47 Labour and 1 Green I see. At least there's some opposition, I'm not a fan of one party councils, even though if that is what the locals want that's what you get.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
All from the Tories
They gained Three Rivers from NOC according to the BBC
Hopefully Tories won't get wiped out in Tower Hamlets council. Very hard for a party to come back once they are completely wiped out. Even if you hold one seat it is much easier to re-build. Look at the lib dems...
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
All from the Tories
I thought Three Rivers was from NOC?
But those results are the principle reason it is not an unqualified good night for the Tories.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
Early results from the good ol' RBK are looking good for the LDs: by my reckoning they've picked up 5 seats from the Tories and 2 from Labour in the first five wards to declare.
Lib Dems up 54 now. Catching Labour again. They are going to miss out their credit due to this late reporting.
Might change narrative in coming months though.
If I were Labour I’d be worried they might start to peel off 3-4% of my 40%.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
All from the Tories
I thought Three Rivers was from NOC?
But those results are the principle reason it is not an unqualified good night for the Tories.
A quick furtle around Wikipedia suggests it was only NOC because of a defection from the LD group.
Hopefully Tories won't get wiped out in Tower Hamlets council. Very hard for a party to come back once they are completely wiped out. Even if you hold one seat it is much easier to re-build. Look at the lib dems...
It's Blackwall and Cubbitt town - I expect them to be in trouble. Young, reasonably affluent, pro remain - plenty of LD switchers
The Combined Authority Mayor is enough of a non-job that Jarvis can do both
Though it would have been better to have elected Jarvis Cocker to the position
I think in fairness it doesn't even have a budget yet. Or an office. Or any clear responsibilities. Really weird it was thought worth electing anyone until these little details were in place.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
All from the Tories
I thought Three Rivers was from NOC?
But those results are the principle reason it is not an unqualified good night for the Tories.
A quick furtle around Wikipedia suggests it was only NOC because of a defection from the LD group.
I was surprised to see it as NOC, as there are very few LD controlled councils so the names tend to stick in the mind, so that makes sense.
The Combined Authority Mayor is enough of a non-job that Jarvis can do both
Though it would have been better to have elected Jarvis Cocker to the position
I think in fairness it doesn't even have a budget yet. Or an office. Or any clear responsibilities. Really weird it was thought worth electing anyone until these little details were in place.
Yikes! Tories down to just 3 seats in Brent! That is really bad for the local party they could be doing much better among middle class Asians. Even Harrow still has a respectable number of Tories left in Asian wards.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
Early results from the good ol' RBK are looking good for the LDs: by my reckoning they've picked up 5 seats from the Tories and 2 from Labour in the first five wards to declare.
Lib Dems up 54 now. Catching Labour again. They are going to miss out their credit due to this late reporting.
Might change narrative in coming months though.
If I were Labour I’d be worried they might start to peel off 3-4% of my 40%.
Or they peel the remain Tories of 3-4 % of their 42% .
Dan Hodges: OK, I know he can be pretty robust himself. But can we dial down the @OwenJones84 abuse a bit. It was pretty unedifying to see everyone dancing on Amber Rudd's grave a few days ago. Same here.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
Early results from the good ol' RBK are looking good for the LDs: by my reckoning they've picked up 5 seats from the Tories and 2 from Labour in the first five wards to declare.
Lib Dems up 54 now. Catching Labour again. They are going to miss out their credit due to this late reporting.
Might change narrative in coming months though.
If I were Labour I’d be worried they might start to peel off 3-4% of my 40%.
Or they peel the remain Tories of 3-4 % of their 42% .
It's plausible. They've no reason to get comfortable.
The results of the South Yorkshire Mayer election look strange, it whet to second round but the final resort:
Jarvis (Lab): 144,154 Walker (Con) 50,615
Total votes 260,260
There, there must have been a lot of people voting in the first round, for small party that then did not vote in the second round, and virtually all those that did switched to Jarvis, but BBC not giving the results of round one. anybody know the full Results of round one?
The S Cambs result looks like the oddity of the night.
Has Heidi Allen with her constant sniping at her own party encouraged the dyed in the wool blue rinses in her constituency to think long and hard? (I'm not objecting, I like her very much and am aligned with her thinking - she could be leader...)
Or is it NIMBYism about green belt? Can't all be down to Brexit can it?
That said, having a look at the geography, it looks very much like a rural sprawling seat into which lefty Cambridge city is slowing spilling over - it seems to include now the growing suburbs of the city itself?
Labour went into these local elections in control of 78 councils.
The current situation is they have 65 councils with 12 to declare, (138 out of 150 in). That means that even if Labour wins all 12 councils still to come, they'll end up with fewer councils than they started with.
Have to say I am no fan of uncle Vince but a NEV share of 16% does seem a real step forward and back into the game for the Lib Dems. It is roughly double what they have been polling of late.
And they also gained three, maybe four, councils.
It has got better and better for them I think. Slightly flattered by a catastrophe in 2014 but definitely more progress than they might have feared with Kingston to come.
Early results from the good ol' RBK are looking good for the LDs: by my reckoning they've picked up 5 seats from the Tories and 2 from Labour in the first five wards to declare.
Lib Dems up 54 now. Catching Labour again. They are going to miss out their credit due to this late reporting.
Might change narrative in coming months though.
If I were Labour I’d be worried they might start to peel off 3-4% of my 40%.
Or they peel the remain Tories of 3-4 % of their 42% .
Or they accept they are a couple of % off the low of coalition and below the 2017 NEV To hear them on the beeb you'd think they were turning the map yellow and gaining Newcastle central They won't break 15 seats with Cable
Interesting tonal change on the same story in different places on the BBC. On the main news page the main headline is 'Leaders upbeat despite lack of big gains', but click on the politics tab and the main headline there is 'Labour fail to make significant inroads', though the summary underneath is the same,about the two leaders focusing on their successes on a mixed night.
The S Cambs result looks like the oddity of the night.
Has Heidi Allen with her constant sniping at her own party encouraged the dyed in the wool blue rinses in her constituency to think long and hard? (I'm not objecting, I like her very much and am aligned with her thinking - she could be leader...)
Or is it NIMBYism about green belt? Can't all be down to Brexit can it?
It was 60% remain I believe is the reported figure, so pro remain but not overwhelmingly so, so I'd assume without any local knowledge that a number factors contributed, with Brexit being a small part of it.
The results of the South Yorkshire Mayer election look strange, it whet to second round but the final resort:
Jarvis (Lab): 144,154 Walker (Con) 50,615
Total votes 260,260
There, there must have been a lot of people voting in the first round, for small party that then did not vote in the second round, and virtually all those that did switched to Jarvis, but BBC not giving the results of round one. anybody know the full Results of round one?
Jarvis got 48% or so in Round One.
He is the only Labour mayor who is an MP. That makes him worth watching, especially given where he represents. There is a reason why the NEC was so keen to ensure he could not do both jobs.
The S Cambs result looks like the oddity of the night.
Has Heidi Allen with her constant sniping at her own party encouraged the dyed in the wool blue rinses in her constituency to think long and hard? (I'm not objecting, I like her very much and am aligned with her thinking - she could be leader...)
Or is it NIMBYism about green belt? Can't all be down to Brexit can it?
That said, having a look at the geography, it looks very much like a rural sprawling seat into which lefty Cambridge city is slowing spilling over - it seems to include now the growing suburbs of the city itself?
When I lived there (until last year) it was very remain-y due to lots of young professional commuters, students and Europeans (addenbrookes hospital staff?).
My village also had issues with gypsies and the Lib Dems capitalised on it to attack the Tories.
The S Cambs result looks like the oddity of the night.
Has Heidi Allen with her constant sniping at her own party encouraged the dyed in the wool blue rinses in her constituency to think long and hard? (I'm not objecting, I like her very much and am aligned with her thinking - she could be leader...)
Or is it NIMBYism about green belt? Can't all be down to Brexit can it?
That said, having a look at the geography, it looks very much like a rural sprawling seat into which lefty Cambridge city is slowing spilling over - it seems to include now the growing suburbs of the city itself?
It had one of the highest Remain votes in the country, even higher than some London boroughs.
There is a reason why the NEC was so keen to ensure he could not do both jobs.
Jarvis staying on as an MP demonstrates utter contempt for the mayoral position. Obviously he can carry on as long as he likes seeing as Barnsley Central would elect a red doughnut if it stood and so would the Sheffield City region.
Yikes! Tories down to just 3 seats in Brent! That is really bad for the local party they could be doing much better among middle class Asians. Even Harrow still has a respectable number of Tories left in Asian wards.
There's a different type of "Asian" in Brent vs Harrow. The latter are more successful and tend to be business owners or work in very well paid jobs, in Brent there is more poverty and, unfortunately, they see themselves as victims. I don't know exactly why that is the case but speak to an Indian from Wembley and then speak to an Indian from Stanmore, the difference is absolutely massive. I think in Brent there tend to be more Indians who have come directly from India while in Harrow the Indians have arrived via East or South Africa as British citizens or commonwealth citizens.
It's just a theory, but I think it fits. Indians and other south Asians who have benefited from being citizens of the empire tend to be much more open towards voting for the Conservatives. I think my family, TSE, Sajid Javid and others are a very good example of that, those who have come more recently or didn't benefit from that tend more towards traditional minority voting and go towards Labour.
I think we need to find a way to helping later Asian migrants to be as successful as those who arrived in the 50s and 60s like my family and so many others from Kenya and Uganda.
A Labour minority government on the basis of this highly satisfactory result for Labour has emerged as a real possibility but these elections will be remembered for the Tory shambles of Voter ID,which could well have swung it for the Tories in Swindon where it was so close.
ho ho - spinning like a top
Your parties expectation management was awful
oh and your party's anti - semitism in the public eye - yet again
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
It was overblown as I recall, but in any case is putting a hand up really sexism? Men and women unconsciously do it when trying to cut across someone else all the time (I do recall Chi Onwurah doing it last night on QT while trying to get a word in edgeways at some shouty bloke, before giving up). I mean, the story has an image of McDonnell with his hand out toward Perry, immediately followed by one of her doing the same to him.
I'm no fan of McDonnell, and frankly he shouldn't be able to live down his McVey comments however much he clearly would prefer people stop bringing it up, but the headline is also very misleading. "Get back in your box woman': Labour's John McDonnell embroiled in extraordinary on-air election night row" makes it look like he outright said that.
The only conclusion I'm drawing from these results is that Lib/Lab/Con all need new leaders. If any of them could crack the leadership issue, it would at least break the stalemate.
There is a reason why the NEC was so keen to ensure he could not do both jobs.
Jarvis staying on as an MP demonstrates utter contempt for the mayoral position. Obviously he can carry on as long as he likes seeing as Barnsley Central would elect a red doughnut if it stood and so would the Sheffield City region.
The Sheffield Mayoralty is a blank canvas and Jarvis made it clear he would remain an MP. Seems the voters didn't take offence.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
It was overblown as I recall, but in any case is putting a hand up really sexism? Men and women unconsciously do it when trying to cut across someone else all the time (I do recall Chi Onwurah doing it last night on QT while trying to get a word in edgeways at some shouty bloke, before giving up). I mean, the story has an image of McDonnell with his hand out toward Perry, immediately followed by one of her doing the same to him.
I'm no fan of McDonnell, and frankly he shouldn't be able to live down his McVey comments however much he clearly would prefer people stop bringing it up, but the headline is also very misleading. "Get back in your box woman': Labour's John McDonnell embroiled in extraordinary on-air election night row" makes it look like he outright said that.
He just shouted over her and used very direct body language in her direction. She had been needling him for the entire show and he let his anger boil over. If it had been the other way round - Male Tory trying to shut up a Labour Woman - then Twitter would have gone into melt down.
The LDs will end up gaining S Cambs Three Rivers Richmond Kingston
All from the Tories
Mike do you know why South Cambs has surged to the yellow peril ?
Sorry to interrupt, but it voted 60% Remain, one of the highest outside the big cities. And it's next to Cambridge.
Clearly but whilst that explains a useful platform it would mean that the LibDems would sweep all remain areas with ease or come close to doing so, and that hasn't happened.
The Lib Dems have not yet managed to find a response to the reality that the coalition was not popular.
It was popular with Conservatives. It wasn't popular with Lib Dem voters.
The absolute conviction of Lib Dem MPs (and obvioulsy lots of former MPs) that the Coalition was popular with its voters and that its voters were demanding, nay champing at the bit for, a coalition with the Tories is the most insane collective delusion who's power over them I cannot explain.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
The video doesn't show the 2 minutes leading up to this incident - it does help to view it in full context.
The Lib Dems have not yet managed to find a response to the reality that the coalition was not popular.
It was popular with Conservatives. It wasn't popular with Lib Dem voters.
The absolute conviction of Lib Dem MPs (and obvioulsy lots of former MPs) that the Coalition was popular with its voters and that its voters were demanding, nay champing at the bit for, a coalition with the Tories is the most insane collective delusion who's power over them I cannot explain.
Did they think they were champing at the bit for a coalition with the Tories, or did they merely think that as they had said they would consider working with whoever came out on top, and because ostensibly they were centrist, not labour-lite, that they would be able to carry more of their voters along with the idea of coalition, assuming they could convince the doubters they had gotten a good deal for the arrangement?
If they were never going to contemplate working with anyone but Labour in a coalition that was open to them, but they should have been upfront about that, since at least some of their voters would have supported them on the basis they thought the idea of a Con-Dem coalition was the best option, and should at least be considered. Me, for a start.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
The video doesn't show the 2 minutes leading up to this incident - it does help to view it in full context.
If the full context makes McDonnell look worse, then I do wonder why the Mail didn't include it - unable to?
According to the Guardian Cons have moved up to 24/48 in Elmbridge, effectively another gain.
That'll be frustrating for them, it would have been handy for the total of councils lost/gained to be at least neutral for them, since you don't get points on the spreadsheet for in effect gains.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
The video doesn't show the 2 minutes leading up to this incident - it does help to view it in full context.
If the full context makes McDonnell look worse, then I do wonder why the Mail didn't include it - unable to?
It just shows what Perry was trying to say and what prompted him to get shouty and pointy. It makes it far clearly what he was trying to prevent being said live on air.
The Lib Dems have not yet managed to find a response to the reality that the coalition was not popular.
It was popular with Conservatives. It wasn't popular with Lib Dem voters.
The absolute conviction of Lib Dem MPs (and obvioulsy lots of former MPs) that the Coalition was popular with its voters and that its voters were demanding, nay champing at the bit for, a coalition with the Tories is the most insane collective delusion who's power over them I cannot explain.
If the Lib Dems aren't going to become junior partners in a coalition then what is the point of them?
The Lib Dems have not yet managed to find a response to the reality that the coalition was not popular.
It was popular with Conservatives. It wasn't popular with Lib Dem voters.
The absolute conviction of Lib Dem MPs (and obvioulsy lots of former MPs) that the Coalition was popular with its voters and that its voters were demanding, nay champing at the bit for, a coalition with the Tories is the most insane collective delusion who's power over them I cannot explain.
But that was because the LibDems spent the entire five years whingeing about how awful it was being in coalition with these nasty Tories. rather than celebrating and promoting the fact that after half a century they'd finally got the kind of coalition politics they'd been arguing for. It's hardly surprising therefore that voters decided to relieve them of the necessity of repeating the experience next time round.
Whilst it is entirely appropriate that criticisms be made of Anti-Semitic conduct in Labour ranks, those who made such damning comments might now be vulnerable - in the light of Labour's underperformance in Barnet - to the charge of having deliberately sought to undermine Corbyn by an act of electoral sabotage. Why were such comments - and the resultant row - not delayed until mid- May to the post election period?
Even senior front-benchers are bemused by the lack of action, Thornberry just now :
"I don't know why we've been dragging our feet but we have."
She adds: "It's about actions - people are very pragmatic. This stuff hasn’t been dealt with and we’re going to do that as it takes many different forms.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
The video doesn't show the 2 minutes leading up to this incident - it does help to view it in full context.
If the full context makes McDonnell look worse, then I do wonder why the Mail didn't include it - unable to?
It just shows what Perry was trying to say and what prompted him to get shouty and pointy. It makes it far clearly what he was trying to prevent being said live on air.
So nothing really to back up purported sexism, just the (entirely unsurprising) point that he's an arsehole, and would act to try to prevent people saying things he doesn't like?
As I said, he might be a sexist, but even for a newspaper headline I think the Mail have stretched the presentation a bit too much there, giving the appearance of a direct, blatantly sexist quote.
The only conclusion I'm drawing from these results is that Lib/Lab/Con all need new leaders. If any of them could crack the leadership issue, it would at least break the stalemate.
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's impressively misleading reporting. McDonnell didn't say that, Perry complained about him making gestures.
and talking over her to be fair
He may well be a sexist, but politicians of any gender talk over each other all the time, so that is hardly evidence of it even if he is.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
The video doesn't show the 2 minutes leading up to this incident - it does help to view it in full context.
If the full context makes McDonnell look worse, then I do wonder why the Mail didn't include it - unable to?
It just shows what Perry was trying to say and what prompted him to get shouty and pointy. It makes it far clearly what he was trying to prevent being said live on air.
So nothing really to back up purported sexism, just the (entirely unsurprising) point that he's an arsehole, and would act to try to prevent people saying things he doesn't like?
As I said, he might be a sexist, but even for a newspaper headline I think the Mail have stretched the presentation a bit too much there, giving the appearance of a direct, blatantly sexist quote.
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All Swindon voters had to do was turn up with their polling cards. That is it. If people didn't, they only had themselves to blame. And they had the option of returning home, collecting their polling cards and returning to vote.
That is not a shambles. That is not disenfranchising ANYONE.
Just stop with the relentless bollocks you are spouting on this subject.
Certainly if it were to be the thing these elections are remembered for I think we'd be seeing more of it right now. More may emerge, but we'd have seen more by now. The Labour group leader in Swindon is not even quoted as commenting on it in the BBC write up, and I think he would have given it was so close.
Also, a Labour minority, at the least, was already a real possibility before these elections given the state of play.
S Cambs
Three Rivers
Richmond
Kingston
All from the Tories
Jarvis took 48% of the first count and his second count majority was close to 100,000.
Still quite surprising, though. South Yorkshire is redder than a baboon's bottom (unlike North Yorkshire, which is bluer than a drowning smurf).
Though it would have been better to have elected Jarvis Cocker to the position
But those results are the principle reason it is not an unqualified good night for the Tories.
Dan Jarvis (Lab) 72%
Ian Walker (Con) 28%
If I were Labour I’d be worried they might start to peel off 3-4% of my 40%.
Dan Hodges: OK, I know he can be pretty robust himself. But can we dial down the @OwenJones84 abuse a bit. It was pretty unedifying to see everyone dancing on Amber Rudd's grave a few days ago. Same here.
Jarvis (Lab): 144,154
Walker (Con) 50,615
Total votes 260,260
There, there must have been a lot of people voting in the first round, for small party that then did not vote in the second round, and virtually all those that did switched to Jarvis, but BBC not giving the results of round one. anybody know the full Results of round one?
Has Heidi Allen with her constant sniping at her own party encouraged the dyed in the wool blue rinses in her constituency to think long and hard? (I'm not objecting, I like her very much and am aligned with her thinking - she could be leader...)
Or is it NIMBYism about green belt? Can't all be down to Brexit can it?
That said, having a look at the geography, it looks very much like a rural sprawling seat into which lefty Cambridge city is slowing spilling over - it seems to include now the growing suburbs of the city itself?
The current situation is they have 65 councils with 12 to declare, (138 out of 150 in). That means that even if Labour wins all 12 councils still to come, they'll end up with fewer councils than they started with.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cz3nmp2eyxgt/england-local-elections-2018
To hear them on the beeb you'd think they were turning the map yellow and gaining Newcastle central
They won't break 15 seats with Cable
'Get back in your box woman'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5690493/John-McDonnell-Claire-Perry-air-election-row.html
I seemed to remember Dave saying "calm down dear" in PMQs and it being a national scandal....
That's in Brum.
He is the only Labour mayor who is an MP. That makes him worth watching, especially given where he represents. There is a reason why the NEC was so keen to ensure he could not do both jobs.
My village also had issues with gypsies and the Lib Dems capitalised on it to attack the Tories.
It's just a theory, but I think it fits. Indians and other south Asians who have benefited from being citizens of the empire tend to be much more open towards voting for the Conservatives. I think my family, TSE, Sajid Javid and others are a very good example of that, those who have come more recently or didn't benefit from that tend more towards traditional minority voting and go towards Labour.
I think we need to find a way to helping later Asian migrants to be as successful as those who arrived in the 50s and 60s like my family and so many others from Kenya and Uganda.
https://twitter.com/CarlJackson_LDR/status/992423239992401920
Your parties expectation management was awful
oh and your party's anti - semitism in the public eye - yet again
I'm no fan of McDonnell, and frankly he shouldn't be able to live down his McVey comments however much he clearly would prefer people stop bringing it up, but the headline is also very misleading. "Get back in your box woman': Labour's John McDonnell embroiled in extraordinary on-air election night row" makes it look like he outright said that.
The absolute conviction of Lib Dem MPs (and obvioulsy lots of former MPs) that the Coalition was popular with its voters and that its voters were demanding, nay champing at the bit for, a coalition with the Tories is the most insane collective delusion who's power over them I cannot explain.
I truly don't like defending John McDonnell, and he has earned plenty of justifiable attacks for things he has said and done, but talking over Perry and holding out a hand is not really the same as him saying 'get back in your box, woman'. Do we seriously think if it had been a man saying the same things as Perry he would not have tried talking over them and holding out a hand?
If they were never going to contemplate working with anyone but Labour in a coalition that was open to them, but they should have been upfront about that, since at least some of their voters would have supported them on the basis they thought the idea of a Con-Dem coalition was the best option, and should at least be considered. Me, for a start.
Oops, my mistake!
interesting
"I don't know why we've been dragging our feet but we have."
She adds: "It's about actions - people are very pragmatic. This stuff hasn’t been dealt with and we’re going to do that as it takes many different forms.
https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/992427883284004869
Everything else so far held by Labour in Manchester.
Likely to finish 94 Lab, 2 LD
As I said, he might be a sexist, but even for a newspaper headline I think the Mail have stretched the presentation a bit too much there, giving the appearance of a direct, blatantly sexist quote.
Boundary changes but approximately the status quo
I didn't say it showed him as being sexist - but you see the sudden flash of anger and that is what is unacceptable.