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That morning of the David Gauke bets was fun.Pulpstar said:SAVE AMBER
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But can Mrs May afford to have another pissed off MP on the backbenches?AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd makes far too convenient a scapegoat and this gives far too convenient a pretext. The impulse for Theresa May to withdraw love and support must be super-strong right now.
She's got that very awkward set of Customs Union votes coming up.0 -
Wasn't Amber Rudd accompanies at the Select Committee by the Permanent Secretary of the Home Office? He seems to have kept quiet and not intervened to correct Rudd, so presumably did not read the memo either.GIN1138 said:
This memo has to be the end. Eitherdavid_herdson said:
Now 2/1, which is probably about right in current circumstances. I'm not sure Labour has the ability to hit the back of the net despite only having the keeper to beat.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did tip her at 33/1.Scrapheap_as_was said:Latest story suggests rudd could be out I reckon... What are her odds?
1. She's lied to Parliament.
2. She didn't even bother to read the memo for her own department.
Either way you'd think she's got to be toast.0 -
I'm not on the Rudd bet thoughTheScreamingEagles said:
That morning of the David Gauke bets was fun.Pulpstar said:SAVE AMBER
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Just what I was thinking. She's a lock to vote with the Gov't as Home Sec, as a remainer backbencher... not so much.TheScreamingEagles said:
But can Mrs May afford to have another pissed off MP on the backbenches?AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd makes far too convenient a scapegoat and this gives far too convenient a pretext. The impulse for Theresa May to withdraw love and support must be super-strong right now.
She's got that very awkward set of Customs Union votes coming up.0 -
I judge Amber on her mishandling of Windrush, not because she is a remainer, and if it is the former she should go, but the later noGIN1138 said:
I think Amber has a LOT of allies - Remember how Cameron and Osborne sent her out to nail Boris in the referendum debate + How she stood in for Theresa in the leaders debates last year (while Mrs May cowered behind the settee)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Overall I think Amber has been poor anyway, maybe not enough attention to detail or so much attention to security and policing matters that immigration fell between the stools
However enough is enough. She's got to go.0 -
I'll not have a bad word said against Mrs MayTheScreamingEagles said:
But can Mrs May afford to have another pissed off MP on the backbenches?AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd makes far too convenient a scapegoat and this gives far too convenient a pretext. The impulse for Theresa May to withdraw love and support must be super-strong right now.
She's got that very awkward set of Customs Union votes coming up.
she sacked that twat Osborne
one day a grateful nation shall erect a statue to her
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The amber light is on. Will it go red ? I would like her to be kicked out. One more vote for Customs Union and, who knows, the Single Market.GIN1138 said:
Let me clarify. I do not want her to be sacked because of the Windrush scandal. If anyone should be sacked for that, it must be T May.
T May will not sack her for the same reasons. She is also the lightning rod.0 -
Or is severely pissed off with her.David_Evershed said:
Wasn't Amber Rudd accompanies at the Select Committee by the Permanent Secretary of the Home Office? He seems to have kept quiet and not intervened to correct Rudd, so presumably did not read the memo either.GIN1138 said:
This memo has to be the end. Eitherdavid_herdson said:
Now 2/1, which is probably about right in current circumstances. I'm not sure Labour has the ability to hit the back of the net despite only having the keeper to beat.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did tip her at 33/1.Scrapheap_as_was said:Latest story suggests rudd could be out I reckon... What are her odds?
1. She's lied to Parliament.
2. She didn't even bother to read the memo for her own department.
Either way you'd think she's got to be toast.0 -
The whole department probably needs dismantling and starting again...David_Evershed said:
Wasn't Amber Rudd accompanies at the Select Committee by the Permanent Secretary of the Home Office? He seems to have kept quiet and not intervened to correct Rudd, so presumably did not read the memo either.GIN1138 said:
This memo has to be the end. Eitherdavid_herdson said:
Now 2/1, which is probably about right in current circumstances. I'm not sure Labour has the ability to hit the back of the net despite only having the keeper to beat.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did tip her at 33/1.Scrapheap_as_was said:Latest story suggests rudd could be out I reckon... What are her odds?
1. She's lied to Parliament.
2. She didn't even bother to read the memo for her own department.
Either way you'd think she's got to be toast.0 -
As far as I can tell, yes.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.0 -
The internal war in labour over this is sad to see, how has a once great party been brought down to this.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
I would say that the Wadsworth case may be political in the sense something had to be seen to be done before the locals next week but it has triggered real internal anger0 -
Well, if I ever rejoin the Conservatives, and publicly accuse one of the party's MP's of working with the left wing press in order to harm the party (while distributing leaflets calling for the expulsion of "traitors" from the party), I'm likely to get into hot water if I can't justify my accusation.TheJezziah said:
I wonder if there would have been such a baying lynch mob at hands were it not such an impressive black anti racism campaigner. Just as we can question Marc because his incident upset Ruth who is Jewish we can question the actions of those acting against Marc who is Black.Richard_Nabavi said:
You seem quite obsessed with the colour of Marc Wadsworth's skin.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
Would it be OK if he were a white 'anti racist campaigner', or it were the reputation of an innocent white man at stake?
There is no victim hierarchy, we cannot condemn someone black for the sake of someone Jewish or sacrifice someone Jewish for the sake of someone Black. If people seem to be targeting someone Jewish questions should be asked as they rightly have done in the Labour party. That doesn't mean we can take our eye of the ball though, if people are ganging up on and smearing a black anti racist campaigner then questions have to be asked as well.
It is all well and good being extra woke about the racism that suits your political agenda but it is important to equally apply that to racism which doesn't.
@Sean_F
If simply bringing the party into disrepute is the charge then quite frankly Labour could kick out plenty of the anti Corbyn Labour members as well, I suspect we won't be seeing that happening though. Also he said working not conspiring.0 -
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.0 -
The CU votes will not change as I cannot see a way TM wins the HOC on this subject anyway. The maths do not add upTheScreamingEagles said:
But can Mrs May afford to have another pissed off MP on the backbenches?AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd makes far too convenient a scapegoat and this gives far too convenient a pretext. The impulse for Theresa May to withdraw love and support must be super-strong right now.
She's got that very awkward set of Customs Union votes coming up.0 -
So I can't call Bliar , a Tory ? Will I be expelled ?Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The evidence that I have seen [ maybe there are other evidence I have not seen ] does not suggest anything ant-semitic.0 -
TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
Oh yes they did. Hence the leak about the memo which included targets.
A potential leader rival at work?0 -
Yes good point.David_Evershed said:
Oh yes they did. Hence the leak about the memo which included targets.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
A potential leader rival at work?0 -
Merkel in Washington.0
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Sean_F said:
Well, if I ever rejoin the Conservatives, and publicly accuse one of the party's MP's of working with the left wing press in order to harm the party (while distributing leaflets calling for the expulsion of "traitors" from the party), I'm likely to get into hot water if I can't justify my accusation.TheJezziah said:
I wonder if there would have been such a baying lynch mob at hands were it not such an impressive black anti racism campaigner. Just as we can question Marc because his incident upset Ruth who is Jewish we can question the actions of those acting against Marc who is Black.Richard_Nabavi said:
You seem quite obsessed with the colour of Marc Wadsworth's skin.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
Would it be OK if he were a white 'anti racist campaigner', or it were the reputation of an innocent white man at stake?
There is no victim hierarchy, we cannot condemn someone black for the sake of someone Jewish or sacrifice someone Jewish for the sake of someone Black. If people seem to be targeting someone Jewish questions should be asked as they rightly have done in the Labour party. That doesn't mean we can take our eye of the ball though, if people are ganging up on and smearing a black anti racist campaigner then questions have to be asked as well.
It is all well and good being extra woke about the racism that suits your political agenda but it is important to equally apply that to racism which doesn't.
@Sean_F
If simply bringing the party into disrepute is the charge then quite frankly Labour could kick out plenty of the anti Corbyn Labour members as well, I suspect we won't be seeing that happening though. Also he said working not conspiring.
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Your anger is there for all to see but this has come from within labour and reported on by the broadcast media widely who could never be accused of being the right wing pressTheJezziah said:
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.0 -
That's up to the Labour Party. It's not up to me to tell them how to enforce party discipline, but on the fact of this case, I can see how the NEC could reasonably conclude that Marc Wadsworth had brought the party into disrepute.surby said:
So I can't call Bliar , a Tory ? Will I be expelled ?Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The evidence that I have seen [ maybe there are other evidence I have not seen ] does not suggest anything ant-semitic.0 -
Don’t worry, you could probably rejoin under a pseudonymsurby said:
So I can't call Bliar , a Tory ? Will I be expelled ?Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Marc Wadsworth was a campaigner for justice in the Stephen Lawrence case. This man has been fighting against racism for years and now the right wing media get to imply he is some kind of racist when nobody on here who watched the video evidence would say he was anti-semitic in this case.
Absolutely disgusting, those MPs targetting this black anti racist campaigner for purely political reasons should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
People were complaining about Len's piece the other day, where he pointed out that there was anti semites in Labour that need to be kicked out but that there were also those using anti semitism to smear Corbyn and his supporters.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The evidence that I have seen [ maybe there are other evidence I have not seen ] does not suggest anything ant-semitic.
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According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.0 -
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/vote-leaves-statement-to-the-electoral-commission/
So much for that smoking gun....0 -
Good God. How many years has she been involved in politics?FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.0 -
Green had to go, now Amber is threatened, which Red is next?0
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In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.0 -
Getting Hammond out of the Treasury is THE prize of course...David_Evershed said:Green had to go, now Amber is threatened, which Red is next?
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Gove would be a brilliant PM.
Gove will never be PM.0 -
Considering the civil war in the party and how both sides thought they were in the right and fighting for the good of the party you could throw out huge numbers of Labour members on the grounds of harming the party, working with the wrong people and calling for your opponents to leave, although traitors is harsher language than I would like to see used, plenty of that both sides as well.Sean_F said:
Well, if I ever rejoin the Conservatives, and publicly accuse one of the party's MP's of working with the left wing press in order to harm the party (while distributing leaflets calling for the expulsion of "traitors" from the party), I'm likely to get into hot water if I can't justify my accusation.TheJezziah said:
I wonder if there would have been such a baying lynch mob at hands were it not such an impressive black anti racism campaigner. Just as we can question Marc because his incident upset Ruth who is Jewish we can question the actions of those acting against Marc who is Black.Richard_Nabavi said:
You seem quite obsessed with the colour of Marc Wadsworth's skin.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Would it be OK if he were a white 'anti racist campaigner', or it were the reputation of an innocent white man at stake?
There is no victim hierarchy, we cannot condemn someone black for the sake of someone Jewish or sacrifice someone Jewish for the sake of someone Black. If people seem to be targeting someone Jewish questions should be asked as they rightly have done in the Labour party. That doesn't mean we can take our eye of the ball though, if people are ganging up on and smearing a black anti racist campaigner then questions have to be asked as well.
It is all well and good being extra woke about the racism that suits your political agenda but it is important to equally apply that to racism which doesn't.
@Sean_F
If simply bringing the party into disrepute is the charge then quite frankly Labour could kick out plenty of the anti Corbyn Labour members as well, I suspect we won't be seeing that happening though. Also he said working not conspiring.0 -
CorbynDavid_Evershed said:Green had to go, now Amber is threatened, which Red is next?
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If Jeremy Hunt is Margaret Thatcher I am Bugs Bunny!CarlottaVance said:On topic - Gove reminds me of Keith Joseph - intellectual heft, sans presentation skills - who is Gove's Maggie? Hunt?
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Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
Amber is Rudd as well.David_Evershed said:Green had to go, now Amber is threatened, which Red is next?
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There is no current Thatcher (which frankly should be fairly obvious - people like her tend to stand out).HYUFD said:
If Jeremy Hunt is Margaret Thatcher I am Bugs Bunny!CarlottaVance said:On topic - Gove reminds me of Keith Joseph - intellectual heft, sans presentation skills - who is Gove's Maggie? Hunt?
That said, while I agree about Gove, we are perhaps in a post-PR era where ideas matter more and presentation for its own sake, less. Presentation *of* ideas (or of values or events), by contrast, is crucial.0 -
What's Merkel doing in Tyne and Wear?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
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You are probably right, I could maybe accuse them of helping create the atmosphere where this occurred or maybe indirect blame in other ways but blame in this case probably doesn't belong with the right wing press.... it is always tempting/comforting to fall back on the old enemies though!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your anger is there for all to see but this has come from within labour and reported on by the broadcast media widely who could never be accused of being the right wing pressTheJezziah said:
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.
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Yes, but surely the point is that, if the presentation is awful, people won't even listen to the politician in question and so won't ever even hear their ideas?david_herdson said:
There is no current Thatcher (which frankly should be fairly obvious - people like her tend to stand out).HYUFD said:
If Jeremy Hunt is Margaret Thatcher I am Bugs Bunny!CarlottaVance said:On topic - Gove reminds me of Keith Joseph - intellectual heft, sans presentation skills - who is Gove's Maggie? Hunt?
That said, while I agree about Gove, we are perhaps in a post-PR era where ideas matter more and presentation for its own sake, less. Presentation *of* ideas (or of values or events), by contrast, is crucial.
That seemed to be a lot of floating voters' problem with Hillary: a lot of people just instinctively found her so irritating/boring that they just switched the channel when she came on, so they never heard much directly from her.-1 -
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
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This "judgement" was done simply to make the baying press happy ! Shameful day for Labour.Roger said:Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.0 -
Hunt has neither Gove's Brains nor the charisma and presentation skills of Davidson or Boris plus he is under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Board if you want someone with public appeal there are far better optionsdavid_herdson said:
There is no current Thatcher (which frankly should be fairly obvious - people like her tend to stand out).HYUFD said:
If Jeremy Hunt is Margaret Thatcher I am Bugs Bunny!CarlottaVance said:On topic - Gove reminds me of Keith Joseph - intellectual heft, sans presentation skills - who is Gove's Maggie? Hunt?
That said, while I agree about Gove, we are perhaps in a post-PR era where ideas matter more and presentation for its own sake, less. Presentation *of* ideas (or of values or events), by contrast, is crucial.0 -
Roger said:
Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.
Corbyn only comes out of his shell during election campaigns that matter..ie his leadership campaigns and GE...the rest of the time he is completely and utterly useless, but even at his worst he is not as bad as Ed Miliband who was marginally better than IDS....0 -
Good on you for your response - honest reflection does us all good from time to timeTheJezziah said:
You are probably right, I could maybe accuse them of helping create the atmosphere where this occurred or maybe indirect blame in other ways but blame in this case probably doesn't belong with the right wing press.... it is always tempting/comforting to fall back on the old enemies though!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your anger is there for all to see but this has come from within labour and reported on by the broadcast media widely who could never be accused of being the right wing pressTheJezziah said:
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.0 -
Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble0
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There's been a full hearing before the NCC with Wadsworth represented by Counsel, Roger. Unless you've at least seen a copy of the full judgment, which I don't think is available anywhere, you are yourself breaching the rules of natural justice, by saying tthere has been a breach of them. Here's Clive Lewis yesterday:Roger said:Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.
"On Twitter, Lewis said social media commentators “do not get to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to who’s expelled or not. Go read a history book about what happens when an accusation equals evidence.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row
I imagine he wishes he hadn't said that.0 -
I think the fact that Gove looks like a toad will ultimately not be held against himdavid_herdson said:
There is no current Thatcher (which frankly should be fairly obvious - people like her tend to stand out).HYUFD said:
If Jeremy Hunt is Margaret Thatcher I am Bugs Bunny!CarlottaVance said:On topic - Gove reminds me of Keith Joseph - intellectual heft, sans presentation skills - who is Gove's Maggie? Hunt?
That said, while I agree about Gove, we are perhaps in a post-PR era where ideas matter more and presentation for its own sake, less. Presentation *of* ideas (or of values or events), by contrast, is crucial.
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If the government ignores Parliament re: CU, then Parliament can and has the power to revoke Art.50.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
The EU has made it clear that as long as the revocation is done before March 29th [ or was it end of 2020 ] , all will be forgotten. It would just be a bad nightmare.
I shall call it the Bobby Ewing moment.0 -
The deal or otherwise has to go to the HOC for a meaningful vote and at that point anything could happen, even dare I say it another referendum on the outcomePeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
Oh bugger.Pulpstar said:
I'm not on the Rudd bet thoughTheScreamingEagles said:
That morning of the David Gauke bets was fun.Pulpstar said:SAVE AMBER
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Do you join Wadsworth in wanting to see fewer "white boys" around?TheJezziah said:
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.0 -
I take it everyone has read this:Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/amber-rudd-was-told-about-migrant-removal-targets-leak-reveals
It does look difficult now. One more vote for CU0 -
Does it have the power? I thought it was the executive that handled the execution of diplomacy. On your second point, has that been confirmed? I thought there were differing views on that.surby said:
If the government ignores Parliament re: CU, then Parliament can and has the power to revoke Art.50.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
The EU has made it clear that as long as the revocation is done before March 29th [ or was it end of 2020 ] , all will be forgotten. It would just be a bad nightmare.
I shall call it the Bobby Ewing moment.0 -
Nicholas Soames has put his weight behind her, though!Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble
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Yes that is the new info that is hitting the media now.surby said:
I take it everyone has read this:Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/amber-rudd-was-told-about-migrant-removal-targets-leak-reveals
It does look difficult now. One more vote for CU
The opinion is she resigns now or goes before the HOC on monday to apologise. No 10 and Home Office gone into silence mode according to Sky.
I would be very surprised if she is still in office by Monday night0 -
Thank heavens ! If he was on top, there would be no need to resign. She'd be dead!OldKingCole said:
Nicholas Soames has put his weight behind her, though!Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble
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In the absence of agreemnet between the EU Commission and the UK Government, then the Uk leaves the EU under WTO terms.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
UK Parliament has no power over the EU.0 -
Hi tyson............But who do we vote for..... the Tories whose endemic racism is even more widespread than we thought or Labour who who are allowing Guido to pull their strings?tyson said:Roger said:Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.
Corbyn only comes out of his shell during election campaigns that matter..ie his leadership campaigns and GE...the rest of the time he is completely and utterly useless, but even at his worst he is not as bad as Ed Miliband who was marginally better than IDS....0 -
Who said having sex with Soames was like a wardrobe falling on you with the key still in it?surby said:
Thank heavens ! If he was on top, there would be no need to resign. She'd be dead!OldKingCole said:
Nicholas Soames has put his weight behind her, though!Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if Amber Rudd is in real trouble
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Maybe there are other evidence regarding Wadsworth. I hope that is the case, not just the comment at the meeting.JonnyJimmy said:
Do you join Wadsworth in wanting to see fewer "white boys" around?TheJezziah said:
This is one of the worst things about it, there has been a bit of time elapsed since it happened where the incident has been played up as an anti-semitic incident. Now the man has been found guilty.Yorkcity said:
That seems the reason he has been expelled not anti - semitism , is that correct.?Sean_F said:
Surely if you accuse one of your own party's MPs of conspiring with the right wing press, you need to provide evidence to support that charge, or else you will be accused of bringing the party into disrepute.TheJezziah said:I'm going to complain to Labour.
Well here you go, proof of exactly what he was saying. A great victory for the right wing media and Corbyn sceptic MPs who cares that it came at the cost of the reputation of an innocent black man.
Well done to Clive Lewis and Chris Williamson for standing up for him. I am absolutely disgusted by the treatment of this man, it is about time people started to stand up to these bullies.
The fact it is for bringing the party into disrepute, an open ended charge that could see the majority of the Labour party kicked out if you were super strict about it, will be glossed over and this man will be smeared as an anti semite.
Great victory for the right wing press, innocent man who helped campaign regarding the Stephen Lawrence murder smeared for the sake of political point scoring. Absolutely disgusting.
Also I guess it adds to the general smear of Corbyn or his supporters are somehow anti semitic but Corbyn (although he shouldn't have to) is big enough to take the abuse, there are enough Corbyn supporters to spread the burden of the lies and smears but this man has been individually brandished and that is completely unacceptable to me.
If that is the only evidence, then half the members of any party could be expelled.0 -
Neither point is cut and dried. Parliament cannot of itself revoke Article 50 but it could, in theory at least, pass binding votes to the same extent - though that may necessitate or prompt a change of government.RobD said:
Does it have the power? I thought it was the executive that handled the execution of diplomacy. On your second point, has that been confirmed? I thought there were differing views on that.surby said:
If the government ignores Parliament re: CU, then Parliament can and has the power to revoke Art.50.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
The EU has made it clear that as long as the revocation is done before March 29th [ or was it end of 2020 ] , all will be forgotten. It would just be a bad nightmare.
I shall call it the Bobby Ewing moment.
On A50, yes, noises from within the EU have been consensual on that point but until the CJEU gives a definitive ruling, no-one can know for sure whether a state which has invoked A50 can revoke it. There are differing legal views and were the EU and UK to carry on as if the UK was still a member, only for the Court to then rule that it wasn't, would cause absolute chaos.0 -
...........unless Parliament revokes Art.50 in time.David_Evershed said:
In the absence of agreemnet between the EU Commission and the UK Government, then the Uk leaves the EU under WTO terms.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
UK Parliament has no power over the EU.0 -
Brexit is governed by European law, not the U.K. Parliament. It’s amusing how Remainer MPs are just as narcissistic about their own importance and powers as their Leave counterparts.surby said:
If the government ignores Parliament re: CU, then Parliament can and has the power to revoke Art.50.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
The EU has made it clear that as long as the revocation is done before March 29th [ or was it end of 2020 ] , all will be forgotten. It would just be a bad nightmare.
I shall call it the Bobby Ewing moment.0 -
Obviously I'd vote for Corbyn...I did vote for Ed Miliband after all, but in the locals I'll vote Green.....Roger said:
Hi tyson............But who do we vote for..... the Tories whose endemic racism is even more widespread than we thought or Labour who who are allowing Guido to pull their strings?tyson said:Roger said:Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.
Corbyn only comes out of his shell during election campaigns that matter..ie his leadership campaigns and GE...the rest of the time he is completely and utterly useless, but even at his worst he is not as bad as Ed Miliband who was marginally better than IDS....
Corbyn is frustratingly useless in an irritating way.....
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Yes, but unless there's some intervention with the EU, which the EU accepts - and hence, which parliament of itself cannot command - then Britain leaves on 29 March next year.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The deal or otherwise has to go to the HOC for a meaningful vote and at that point anything could happen, even dare I say it another referendum on the outcomePeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
I'll be honest, I can't countenance not being on a 33-1 winner. Hence I want her to stayTheScreamingEagles said:
Oh bugger.Pulpstar said:
I'm not on the Rudd bet thoughTheScreamingEagles said:
That morning of the David Gauke bets was fun.Pulpstar said:SAVE AMBER
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One mustn't call it a second referendum. It frightens the horses. 'A further public vote on the leave terms'? Or Sir Humphrey might have come up with craftier wording ...Big_G_NorthWales said:
The deal or otherwise has to go to the HOC for a meaningful vote and at that point anything could happen, even dare I say it another referendum on the outcomePeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
The wording on these things seems to change poll results +/- 5-10%, suggesting that referendums aren't a terribly reliable way to decide what's best for the country. But I think we all knew that.0 -
Green is of course left of Corbyn, wanting to nationalise GPs for example.tyson said:
Obviously I'd vote for Corbyn...I did vote for Ed Miliband after all, but in the locals I'll vote Green.....Roger said:
Hi tyson............But who do we vote for..... the Tories whose endemic racism is even more widespread than we thought or Labour who who are allowing Guido to pull their strings?tyson said:Roger said:Labour are making complete idiots of themselves. They'll have a revolt on their hands if they think they can flout natural justice in this way. If saying an MP is working with the media is a sacking offence then everything is.
Just as I was warming to them. Pathetic Labour.
Corbyn only comes out of his shell during election campaigns that matter..ie his leadership campaigns and GE...the rest of the time he is completely and utterly useless, but even at his worst he is not as bad as Ed Miliband who was marginally better than IDS....
Corbyn is frustratingly useless in an irritating way.....0 -
Gove to Home Sec?
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Mr. Pulpstar, as someone who didn't back the Obama tip (or my own Button tip...), I sympathise.0
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The clear view of the former head of the Council's legal service is that the EU cannot kick us out against our will even if we have previously invoked Article 50. If tested in the ECJ it would probably depend on whether the revocation was in good faith.David_Evershed said:
In the absence of agreemnet between the EU Commission and the UK Government, then the Uk leaves the EU under WTO terms.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
UK Parliament has no power over the EU.0 -
I really cannot believe the weather...last week I had my factor thirty out, today I'm sitting next to a roaring fire and still cold....0
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The story so far:GIN1138 said:
Department cancels a set of targets that do not exist, and then leaks a memo that appears to show they did exist after all.0 -
Mr. Tyson, you polluter of the Earth!
[My great aunt had a coal fire. It was fantastically cosy].0 -
Does the EU have no say?surby said:
...........unless Parliament revokes Art.50 in time.David_Evershed said:
In the absence of agreemnet between the EU Commission and the UK Government, then the Uk leaves the EU under WTO terms.PeterC said:
Does it need to? The process is controlled by A50. Unless the notification is revoked or extended we just leave in March 2019, don't we? The main problem there is lack of preparation - we have no infrastructure to cope with a switch to WTO rules.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see how that gets past the HOCDavid_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
UK Parliament has no power over the EU.
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I’ve seen some convoluted English, but. Does he mean inward investment into UK has dropped?Gardenwalker said:0 -
Either that or it's Befriend a Pensioner Night at the local watering hole!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
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I think empty supermarket shelves will focus minds on that one. And planes not flying is a real thing. We have all said it so ridiculous it couldn't possibly happen, but the default is that it will happen unless there is agreement. Someone will have to blink and I wouldn't assume the EU will take the Irish border backstop out of the Withdrawal Agreement. The UK government will either have to sign the Withdrawal Agreement as is (does this need ratifying in HoC?), in which case the government may fall, or it will have to agree an alternative UK wide solution with the EU. There isn't currently a fudge here.David_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
Yes!OldKingCole said:
I’ve seen some convoluted English, but. Does he mean inward investment into UK has dropped?Gardenwalker said:
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They look suspiciously like politics students to me :-)sarissa said:
Either that or it's Befriend a Pensioner Night at the local watering hole!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
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I would treat all these numbers with an absolutely massive pinch of salt.Gardenwalker said:
Some "inward investment" is the foreign takeover of British firms; some is portfolio turnover by international investors; some is investment in real estate; and some is building new factories.
Now, we know that car industry investment dropped in 2017 - but while some of this is probably Brexit uncertainty related, there's also going to be some that is the result of Dieselgate, and some that we're probably past the peak of this auto cycle, at least from an investment perspective.
And some of the drop is simply that the ARM takeover happened in 2016, and there was nothing similar in 2017.
Gross Capital Formation (aka investment) has actually been very strong in the UK in 2017 - much better than I expected, so it's not clear that there has been any meaningful dropoff in the kind of inward investment we should most want to promote.0 -
The pictures coming out of the US are embarrassing for Merkel.sarissa said:
Either that or it's Befriend a Pensioner Night at the local watering hole!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
How the mighty have fallen0 -
That works both ways, doesn't it?FF43 said:
And planes not flying is a real thing.David_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on
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Apparently lunch and a brief press conference and that is it - just 2 hoursBig_G_NorthWales said:
The pictures coming out of the US are embarrassing for Merkel.sarissa said:
Either that or it's Befriend a Pensioner Night at the local watering hole!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that part of her state visitwilliamglenn said:Merkel in Washington.
How the mighty have fallen0 -
My thoughts entirely.rottenborough said:Gove to Home Sec?
Should finish off any lingering prospects of being elected leader.
Would need a women to be promoted to cabinet to keep the balance....0 -
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Capita rights issue:
3 new Shares for every 2 Shares held, at a price of 70p per Share0 -
Yes, but it doesn't change anything.CarlottaVance said:
That works both ways, doesn't it?FF43 said:
And planes not flying is a real thing.David_Evershed said:
Since he PM has already said we will not join a customs union, either the EU accepts the technology solution for the Irish border or the UK adopts WTO rules with no UK/EU agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In an impossible position TM can only count down the clock to the ultimate deadlock in the Autumn that will see the HOC defeat the hard Brexit leaving her to go to Brussels and accept a CU.FF43 said:
According to the linked BBC article, Theresa May genuinely thinks the unicorns just need to be set free and the UK will get all the benefits of EU arrangements with none of the obligations. It's not tactics on her part and stalling for time (which would be understandable).Stark_Dawning said:
I'm beginning to think Theresa is a very clever arch-Remainer. She appointed Liam on purpose, knowing he'd mess it up. So without any hint of trade deals, the Brexit Ultras are neutered, having to either suck up the EU Customs Union and vassal statehood or endorse economic collapse. They're screwed.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re leaving the customs union.TOPPING said:
Could be a blinder by the Cons. In all the Windrush furore no one really noticed Rudd's customs union comments.Danny565 said:Brexit: Customs union plan brewing in Whitehall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
But we’ll rejoin a customs union.
Classic British fudge.
Liam Fox’s incompetence saves us all.
That is my logic. I think if this is the outcome a lot will be very angry but most will be so weary they will accept the position and move on0 -
#BringBackPriti?Verulamius said:
My thoughts entirely.rottenborough said:Gove to Home Sec?
Should finish off any lingering prospects of being elected leader.
Would need a women to be promoted to cabinet to keep the balance....
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I wish the elections were taking place this week instead of next, it feels like an enormous waste of time having to wait until next Thursday for the electorate's verdict.0
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I dunno, a lot more could happen by then, the way events are moving.AndyJS said:I wish the elections were taking place this week instead of next, it feels like an enormous waste of time having to wait until next Thursday for the electorate's verdict.
Reshuffle on Monday for starters.0
