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And I don’t think JC is anti-semitic, though he may well be critical of Israel.0 -
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
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Probably, but it at least got a mention in the mainstream news, briefly, when he got on to the NEC.Charles said:
TBH, I suspect that only us anoraks know today!kle4 said:
'Not one or the other' . I think it is pretty clear Mr Izzard is a Labour man, even if only us anoraks knew prior to a week or so ago.Charles said:
Eddie Izzard?kle4 said:Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
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On the contrary - I think it can be used generically to refer to people who through their actions, and idiocy, aid people hostile to their own interests.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely.kle4 said:
Quite so. I think its generally used form now is understood.MarkHopkins said:
Words and phrases take on their own popular meaning, which can be completely at odds with its original purpose.Dura_Ace said:Can we all agree that the cliche "useful idiot" has been fucked to death? Nobody should use it until they have read and fully parsed Volkogonov's "Lenin:A New Biography" in order to properly understand its context.
It's very easily understood as a phrase righties throw out when they want to associate lefties with Marxist Leninism and the excesses of the Soviet Union (which by some miracle of transmutation are still defining qualities of Putin's Russia).
I'm very much in favour of de-partisan-ing insults. It's why I think snowflake applies to both right and left. Ans useful idiot is a useful enough phrase to be restricted solely to one side of the spectrum or ties to marxism.
Which is not to say people don't use it in the manner you describe, but getting one's panties in a twist about it seems like an overreaction. Nor does some people overusing it mean it can never apply to anyone.
Politics evolves, political language evolves as well, you don't have to be stuck in a 1980s mindset and assume everyone else is, even if some clearly are.
Edit - and you are right, Boris's example clearly was in that context. But I think we can co-opt it to wider use.
Some might say Boris is in some ways a useful idiot.
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FPTTheWhiteRabbit said:
Turnout in Hungary at 42%, about 8pp higher than four years ago (which would place total turnout at approx. 70%). However EuropeElects is forecasting 72-76%, which is higher still. Don't know if they have aother reason for believing that.
The Betfair over/under line is 67.5%; I would stay close to evens myself. (It's currently 1.3 on "over". It was 1.12 on "under" earlier in the week!)0 -
There's a statutory formula which provides an effective cap on the amount being charged.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
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I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-113221600 -
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160-1 -
TheWhiteRabbit said:
There's a statutory formula which provides an effective cap on the amount being charged.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
These are individual homes, not blocks of flats. (They should never have been leasehold in the first place.)
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One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.0
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You still have a right (outside the collective enfranchment model associated with blocks of flats) to buy the freehold for its market value. It may well be the second, higher figure, is closer to the market value, but it may not be.MarkHopkins said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
There's a statutory formula which provides an effective cap on the amount being charged.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
These are individual homes, not blocks of flats. (They should never have been leasehold in the first place.)
I agree that we should not be in this position, however.
In the vast majority of cases, the leasehold was entirely unnecessary; in any event, the idea of a ground rent doubling every ten years was not appropriate. It was disproportionate to the costs (if any) it was designed to cover.0 -
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His Lordship appears to be channeling his inner Donald there!Theuniondivvie said:
On the basis of this tweet Sugar seems barely Trump-level literate.viewcode said:
Alan Sugar.kle4 said:Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
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https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/982448851830431745
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True, but there's still the problem (as I suspect the actual situation was in this case) of developers massively underestimating what the formula will calculate when people considering new builds ask. The value was probably always up to £50k, but the developer may well have said it was around £5k during the house sale.TheWhiteRabbit said:
There's a statutory formula which provides an effective cap on the amount being charged.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-113221600 -
Therea's doing OK.
Poor old Dr Vince! 0 -
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
I don't know how long this mood will last but it feels pretty much like it will be with me for the next few years.
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It's shitty behaviour. Typically, ground rents are doubled over 25 years, rather than 10.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
Re Yougov I see May now leads 39/26 as best PM, and her rating is 41% to 31% for Corbyn.0 -
When's Dr Cable going to hand over the Lib-Dem leadership to Jo Swinson?0
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Very much a minority, but not a trivial one.Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
I don't know how long this mood will last but it feels pretty much like it will be with me for the next few years.
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That would have been about 3% per annum - in line with inflation - rather than 8%.Sean_F said:
It's shitty behaviour. Typically, ground rents are doubled over 25 years, rather than 10.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
Re Yougov I see May now leads 39/26 as best PM, and her rating is 41% to 31% for Corbyn.
That being said there really is no reason for them to go up at all save for the invention of the secure long-term income funding stream.0 -
I doubt your alone... But keep in mind Brexit would never have happened without Jezza's failure (success?Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
) to get Lab voters in Wales, the Midlands and the north to turn out for REMAIN! 0 -
Given long leases have separate service charges and managing agent fees - there's no reason for the ground rent to exist at all above a nominal sum for legalities. And for a long time it was thus. Alas, someone somewhere realised more money could be gained, and all it would do was screw over large numbers of people over a long period of time.TheWhiteRabbit said:
That would have been about 3% per annum - in line with inflation - rather than 8%.Sean_F said:
It's shitty behaviour. Typically, ground rents are doubled over 25 years, rather than 10.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
Re Yougov I see May now leads 39/26 as best PM, and her rating is 41% to 31% for Corbyn.
That being said there really is no reason for them to go up at all save for the invention of the secure long-term income funding stream.-1 -
I am sure you are right but it is the Conservatives I blame and it's them I want to kick.GIN1138 said:
I doubt your alone... But keep in mind Brexit would never have happened without Jezza's failure (success?Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
) to get Lab voters in Wales, the Midlands and the north to turn out for REMAIN!
(I don't have to be logical.)0 -
Moi aussi. I’ll vote Labour to give the Tories a Brexit punishment beating. We are not the only ones.Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
I don't know how long this mood will last but it feels pretty much like it will be with me for the next few years.
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TBH, there's no reason for a ground rent to be anything other than £1. I wouldn't object if the government stipulated that for all new leases, and gave tenants the right to buy out existing ground rents for say, 10 times the annual value.Quincel said:
Given long leases have separate service charges and managing agent fees - there's no reason for the ground rent to exist at all above a nominal sum for legalities. And for a long time it was thus. Alas, someone somewhere realised more money could be gained, and all it would do was screw over large numbers of people over a long period of time.TheWhiteRabbit said:
That would have been about 3% per annum - in line with inflation - rather than 8%.Sean_F said:
It's shitty behaviour. Typically, ground rents are doubled over 25 years, rather than 10.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
Re Yougov I see May now leads 39/26 as best PM, and her rating is 41% to 31% for Corbyn.
That being said there really is no reason for them to go up at all save for the invention of the secure long-term income funding stream.0 -
If you asked homeowners if they would like £10,000 now, for £100pa doubling every ten years for 250 years, I think the FCA would be on to you very quickly.Sean_F said:
TBH, there's no reason for a ground rent to be anything other than £1. I wouldn't object if the government stipulated that for all new leases, and gave tenants the right to buy out existing ground rents for say, 10 times the annual value.Quincel said:
Given long leases have separate service charges and managing agent fees - there's no reason for the ground rent to exist at all above a nominal sum for legalities. And for a long time it was thus. Alas, someone somewhere realised more money could be gained, and all it would do was screw over large numbers of people over a long period of time.TheWhiteRabbit said:
That would have been about 3% per annum - in line with inflation - rather than 8%.Sean_F said:
It's shitty behaviour. Typically, ground rents are doubled over 25 years, rather than 10.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Housebuilders came up with another disgraceful scheme to trap the unwary.OldKingCole said:
I thought there’d been a clean up of leasehoilding after problems emerrged in industrial South Wales forty or so years ago.MarkHopkins said:
(FPT) I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:
The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.
https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160
Re Yougov I see May now leads 39/26 as best PM, and her rating is 41% to 31% for Corbyn.
That being said there really is no reason for them to go up at all save for the invention of the secure long-term income funding stream.0 -
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Look slike a last minute poll in Hungary:
Fidesz 44%, Jobbik 21% MSZP 14% giving Orban 142 of 199 seats and a supermajority.0 -
They need fresh ideas as well as the fresh face. Their only policy now seems to be opposing Brexit, and that will be redundant a year from now.GIN1138 said:0 -
Interesting. So you're going to punish the Tories for implementing the results of a decision that was delegated to the electorate, by voting for a party that promised to implement said decision in its last manifesto, led by a known eurosceptic? Well it's an opinion.Dura_Ace said:
Moi aussi. I’ll vote Labour to give the Tories a Brexit punishment beating. We are not the only ones.Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
I don't know how long this mood will last but it feels pretty much like it will be with me for the next few years.0 -
But to be fair, the government doesn't seem to have any policies aside from 'Brexit means Brexit'. Which is why the Russian attack has proven so useful to them: not only have they handled it well, but it gives another dimension to the government.Sandpit said:
They need fresh ideas as well as the fresh face. Their only policy now seems to be opposing Brexit, and that will be redundant a year from now.GIN1138 said:
If I was to launch a new party (if I did, it probably wouldn't even get my vote), I'd ignore Brexit as much as possible and develop a platform of policies for a post-Brexit country.0 -
O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.0 -
Sean, I know many of my colleagues, on pay packets between £70,000 and £130,000 say the same.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.0 -
The referendum result can't be undone. If I somehow became prime minister tomorrow I'd have to implement that decision too. I blame the Tories for getting us in this situation in the first place.kyf_100 said:
Interesting. So you're going to punish the Tories for implementing the results of a decision that was delegated to the electorate, by voting for a party that promised to implement said decision in its last manifesto, led by a known eurosceptic? Well it's an opinion.Dura_Ace said:
Moi aussi. I’ll vote Labour to give the Tories a Brexit punishment beating. We are not the only ones.Recidivist said:
I am sure I am in a minority but I doubt I am totally unique. I am currently in punish the Tories for Brexit mode, and will vote for whoever I perceive is most likely to get them out of office. I identified the Lib Dems as the best stick in my particular constituency, where they were in second place. I switched to Labour when opinion polls showed them doing well.Sean_F said:One thing we've learned in recent years is that unpopular candidates can win, if people think the alternative is worse. There are people who so dislike the Conservatives for austerity, or Brexit, that they'd vote for Nick Griffin if he was the only alternative. Right now, Corbyn is the only alternative for such voters.
I don't know how long this mood will last but it feels pretty much like it will be with me for the next few years.0 -
If she's not happy, I'll cheerfully swap with her.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
I'm sure I could find a way to struggle by on that even after Hammond hasstolentaxed a large chunk of it.
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I’m not too sure the government has a lot of choice for the next year or so, although we do know the PM has some good ideas, particularly around inter generational unfairness which she’s mentioned in speeches.JosiasJessop said:
But to be fair, the government doesn't seem to have any policies aside from 'Brexit means Brexit'. Which is why the Russian attack has proven so useful to them: not only have they handled it well, but it gives another dimension to the government.Sandpit said:
They need fresh ideas as well as the fresh face. Their only policy now seems to be opposing Brexit, and that will be redundant a year from now.GIN1138 said:
If I was to launch a new party (if I did, it probably wouldn't even get my vote), I'd ignore Brexit as much as possible and develop a platform of policies for a post-Brexit country.
Agree completely that any political movement needs to develop policies for a post-Brexit world. I know this is an unpopular view but I think, like with the Russian situation, that everyone in politics now needs to come together and seek to take advantage of the opportunities of Brexit.0 -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaBdP6NW4AE1TfF.jpg:large
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My household income just about gets into six figures. That enables us to live well, but not lavishly. I wouldn't dream of complaining this is somehow unjust.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Sean, I know many of my colleagues, on pay packets between £70,000 and £130,000 say the same.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
98% of earners would cheerfully swap.ydoethur said:
If she's not happy, I'll cheerfully swap with her.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
I'm sure I could find a way to struggle by on that even after Hammond hasstolentaxed a large chunk of it.0 -
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And quite a number of freeloaders probably would as well.Sean_F said:
My household income just about gets into six figures. That enables us to live well, but not lavishly. I wouldn't dream of complaining this is somehow unjust.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Sean, I know many of my colleagues, on pay packets between £70,000 and £130,000 say the same.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
98% of earners would cheerfully swap.ydoethur said:
If she's not happy, I'll cheerfully swap with her.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
I'm sure I could find a way to struggle by on that even after Hammond hasstolentaxed a large chunk of it.
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Panic and fury? This is a reach from Hodges.rottenborough said:0 -
The first sentence is true which makes that tweet better than the average Dan Hodges tweet.rottenborough said:
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To be fair to Ms Montague I don’t think she’s "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 but at the fact that others doing the same job are, apparently, being paid £233,000.Sean_F said:O/T, I felt great sympathy for Sarah Montague, writing in the Sunday Times, who is "incandescent with rage" at being paid £133,000 by the BBC.
It must be a constant struggle to get by on such an income.
Or something like that.0 -
I don't think there will be a new party, but I think there is a need for one, and a number of 'potential' markets (which in itself is a problem).DM_Andy said:
The first sentence is true which makes that tweet better than the average Dan Hodges tweet.rottenborough said:
Another issue is that the people who are talking most about setting one up are people who are distinctly unfresh.0 -
The Donald tweets:
Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...0 -
Chilling. Seems the Cult are starting to think about 'reform' of the BBC.
https://twitter.com/novaramedia/status/982979605974999040
We know what that will mean.
As has been pointed out on here many times - the blessed church of St. Jeremy will not broke any criticism or adverse comment concerning the anointed one. Pravda here we come...0 -
Bloody hell, Trump outright criticising Putin and Russia. Fair play to him.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The Donald tweets:
Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...0 -
Yes he is a bitter loser.The Mail always gives Labour critics a voice.To be fair the right wing press gave Livingstone a platform to shout about Blair back in the day.DM_Andy said:
The first sentence is true which makes that tweet better than the average Dan Hodges tweet.rottenborough said:0 -
In major news I can tell you that the Hungarian for exit poll is "exit poll" or "exitpoll"0
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The last Survation poll comparing Tory voteshare under May, Boris and Hammond and Rudd and Davis had only Boris getting a higher voteshare than May against Corbyn so I don't think this necessarily holds at all. At the end of the day it is whether each candidate will get voters to vote Tory that matters not whether Labour or LD voters like them or not.
In any case according to yougov Hammond has a net approval rating of -44%, worse than Boris' -41%. Though Rees Mogg has a higher approval rating than both at -37%
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Philip_Hammond
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boris_Johnson
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I would be happy for them just to report honestly, the constant bias is wearisome.rottenborough said:Chilling. Seems the Cult are starting to think about 'reform' of the BBC.
https://twitter.com/novaramedia/status/982979605974999040
We know what that will mean.
As has been pointed out on here many times - the blessed church of St. Jeremy will not broke any criticism or adverse comment concerning the anointed one. Pravda here we come...
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What's the translation for 'John Curtice'?TheWhiteRabbit said:In major news I can tell you that the Hungarian for exit poll is "exit poll" or "exitpoll"
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As it approaches 6PM our time, when polls close, I might tune in and find out...Quincel said:
What's the translation for 'John Curtice'?TheWhiteRabbit said:In major news I can tell you that the Hungarian for exit poll is "exit poll" or "exitpoll"
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Young Verstappen is a bit of a thug....0
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Of course if you put all your faith in these ratings May will not be replaced as she has the highest of the lot and will lead the Tories into the next general electionHYUFD said:The last Survation poll comparing Tory voteshare under May, Boris and Hammond and Rudd and Davis had only Boris getting a higher voteshare than May against Corbyn so I don't think this necessarily holds at all. At the end of the day it is whether each candidate will get voters to vote Tory that matters not whether Labour or LD voters like them or not.
In any case according to yougov Hammond has a net approval rating of -44%, worse than Boris' -41%. Though Rees Mogg has a higher approval rating than both at -37%
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Philip_Hammond
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boris_Johnson
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Those aren't approval ratings, but positivity ratings.HYUFD said:The last Survation poll comparing Tory voteshare under May, Boris and Hammond and Rudd and Davis had only Boris getting a higher voteshare than May against Corbyn so I don't think this necessarily holds at all. At the end of the day it is whether each candidate will get voters to vote Tory that matters not whether Labour or LD voters like them or not.
In any case according to yougov Hammond has a net approval rating of -44%, worse than Boris' -41%. Though Rees Mogg has a higher approval rating than both at -37%
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Philip_Hammond
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boris_Johnson
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Jacob_Rees_Mogg
They aren't cited in their normal polling.0 -
I cheered when he got a puncture.Nigelb said:Young Verstappen is a bit of a thug....
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Afternoon all
So we see why any new party is going to struggle to get off the ground.
On the one side, you have a substantial bloc of the electorate who think Jeremy Corbyn is evil incarnate and the Labour Party the most incompetent, unpleasant and frightening group the world has ever seen whose sole aim is to reduce the country and themselves to penury. The only way to prevent this nightmare is to stay resolutely with Theresa May and the Conservatives.
On the other hand, you have a substantial bloc of the electorate who regard Theresa May as the most uncaring, selfish and narrow-minded Prime Minister in the country's history. She surrounds herself with the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg who are interested only in the plight of the wealthy. The sole aim of the Conservative Party is to reduce both themselves and their community to penury and make the bulk of the population little more than slaves. The only way to end this nightmare is to stay resolutely with Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
For those of us who agree with either both propositions or neither it's a uniquely depressing prospect.
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I'm glad Vince has that strongly negative rating but surprised enough people cared enough to give an opinion on him.0
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Well he doesn't seem to have damaged Hamilton's car to judge by the charge he's on.TheScreamingEagles said:
I cheered when he got a puncture.Nigelb said:Young Verstappen is a bit of a thug....
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TheScreamingEagles said:
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Remarkably talented, but he seems to display less judgment with every race.TheScreamingEagles said:
I cheered when he got a puncture.Nigelb said:Young Verstappen is a bit of a thug....
He's a right Dutch shunt (sic)
Sometime he’s going to cause a really big shunt.
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Worth voting for Labour just to get the BBC propaganda unit shut down or completely neutered at least.DM_Andy said:
I would be happy for them just to report honestly, the constant bias is wearisome.rottenborough said:Chilling. Seems the Cult are starting to think about 'reform' of the BBC.
https://twitter.com/novaramedia/status/982979605974999040
We know what that will mean.
As has been pointed out on here many times - the blessed church of St. Jeremy will not broke any criticism or adverse comment concerning the anointed one. Pravda here we come...0 -
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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We are all PB Tories now, comrade!TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
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I think Everton fans must feel like Liverpool fans when we had Roy Hodgson as manager.
https://twitter.com/EFCFansCorner_/status/982965725685043200
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He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills.TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
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I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
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Says the guy who seems incapable of going two posts without calling people turnips or telling people to go f*** themselves.malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills.TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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I have many thousands of posts without insults, it is supposed to be a betting site. If you do not wish to take the wager there is no excuse for insults. I reply in kind. You seem also to have lost your sense of humour , I have not used "turnips" for years and even then most people took it as the joke it was meant to be. Have a look in the mirror.TheScreamingEagles said:
Says the guy who seems incapable of going two posts without calling people turnips or telling people to go f*** themselves.malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills.TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
LOL, I offer a bet and the snowflake Tory hurls an insult. You cretinous cowardly half-witted dullard , go F**** yourself
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Looking at the proposal for a new party, and seeing the same thing again and again - "we need a centre ground party" (with the unspoken "but not the Lib Dems because they're still a bit toxic"). They're not defining what it's for but what it's against .
That's no formula for any party, and it's a misdiagnosis anyway. It's just disliking being given only two choices, (or only one choice if you decide the other is unacceptable). This leads to either reluctant voting for something you don't really want, or weighing up two things you dislike to choose which one you least despise.
Unsurprisingly, this leads to people believing neither of those two choices actually represent them, and leads to disillusionment with politics and politicians and, occasionally, a call for an alternative. From about 1980 to 2010, the Lib Dems harnessed that discontent, but lost it when they accepted some real power.
People even go further and diagnose the political system, which promotes only two choices.
I think it's further than that. There are two views on democratic government: "adversarial" and "consensual", and those who hold either view often find the other completely foreign to their thinking.
"Adversarial" is majoritarian: run an election, whichever choice gets more votes than any other, "wins", and puts its views into practice untramelled by anyone else. Everyone who loses has to suck it up; they'll get another chance soon enough. As it's rare for any choice to get a proper majority (over 50% of votes), even with the polarisation you see in majoritarian electoral systems, most people feel unrepresented to a significant degree - even many of those who voted for "the winner", as they feel almost coerced into voting for a less-bad choice. Advocates say "what you see is what you get" and feel it's faster to react. And as party members tend to have the strongest ideological support for any party, they'll least like the idea of compromising.
"Consensual" is proportional: run an election, and build a government from compromise between the views in an attempt to represent the views of as many as possible. Doesn't always work that way, but does tend to end up with people feeling better represented. Advocates point out that people can vote more "honestly" for their own views, and governments represent more of the population and do so better. On the other hand, you acn argue that no-one gets exactly what they voted for (a counter to that is that the Government's supposed to represent everyone, not just those who voted for Party X).
You can get that wider choice in the latter forms of Government, and I think that wider choice is what's being wanted. It can't be provided by any one party, whether a new one, the Lib Dems, or the existing Big Two.
Without a different electoral system and the associated view becoming embedded, this will continue to happen, and we'll continue to get resentment and polarisation.0 -
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I’m looking forward to the opening of malc’s finishing school for young gentlemen....malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills....TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
LOL, I offer a bet and the snowflake Tory hurls an insult. You cretinous cowardly half-witted dullard , go F**** yourself
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Blame your own browsing history.Sean_F said:
Why am I getting an advert for "Mature Women Who Always Say Yes" when I log in?
The adverts you see is based on what you've been looking searching for.0 -
Bloody hell, I knew things were bad for Corbyn, but only 2% better than Cable? Maybe time to tend his allotment full time.....
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Must be something to do with a second Scottish Independence referendum.Sean_F said:
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Russian Dating comes up a lot on UK Polling Report.TheScreamingEagles said:
Blame your own browsing history.Sean_F said:
Why am I getting an advert for "Mature Women Who Always Say Yes" when I log in?
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Yes but now everyone's browsing history includes reading about Sean_F's ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Blame your own browsing history.Sean_F said:
Why am I getting an advert for "Mature Women Who Always Say Yes" when I log in?
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That would be 'Mature Women Who Always Say Da' wouldn't it?Sean_F said:
Russian Dating comes up a lot on UK Polling Report.TheScreamingEagles said:
Blame your own browsing history.Sean_F said:
Why am I getting an advert for "Mature Women Who Always Say Yes" when I log in?
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Nigel, I will be sure to give you a large discount as you will only need minimal teaching.Nigelb said:
I’m looking forward to the opening of malc’s finishing school for young gentlemen....malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills....TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
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You are indeed a gentleman.malcolmg said:
Nigel, I will be sure to give you a large discount as you will only need minimal teaching.Nigelb said:
I’m looking forward to the opening of malc’s finishing school for young gentlemen....malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills....TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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Looks like we need a Fascist Party to represent these poor souls.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Apologies for the snip, Andy, and thanks for an excellent and coherent contribution.Andy_Cooke said:Looking at the proposal for a new party, and seeing the same thing again and again - "we need a centre ground party" (with the unspoken "but not the Lib Dems because they're still a bit toxic"). They're not defining what it's for but what it's against .
That's no formula for any party, and it's a misdiagnosis anyway. It's just disliking being given only two choices, (or only one choice if you decide the other is unacceptable). This leads to either reluctant voting for something you don't really want, or weighing up two things you dislike to choose which one you least despise.
Unsurprisingly, this leads to people believing neither of those two choices actually represent them, and leads to disillusionment with politics and politicians and, occasionally, a call for an alternative. From about 1980 to 2010, the Lib Dems harnessed that discontent, but lost it when they accepted some real power.
People even go further and diagnose the political system, which promotes only two choices.
I think it's further than that. There are two views on democratic government: "adversarial" and "consensual", and those who hold either view often find the other completely foreign to their thinking.
I think even if we had a proportional system we'd have a recognisable centre-right bloc and a recognisable centre-left bloc of parties. There would be smaller parties outside the blocs - some would join one bloc or another periodically and others would always sit beyond the two blocs.
The core task for any new party is, as you say, to define what it is, what it stands for. In doing so, it will automatically lose a swathe of the electorate who will simply not agree with it. The lazier commentators will try and pigeon hole it in terms of "left" and "right" but hopefully it will be beyond that and be its own thing. In the same way seeing everything through the prism of A50 and EU withdrawal doesn't help.
Trying to come up with solutions to the problems of the 2020s and beyond is a real challenge - we've scarcely got to grips with the big issues (housing, demographics) and bigger ones (Artificial Intelligence) are looming. The parties that invest time and effort in thinking now will reap the reward in the longer term.
Ostensibly, the centre and centre-left has failed to respond intellectually to the events of 2008 when a decade of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values came to a violent end on their watch. Was it their fault ? To a point, yes, but the economic battlefield was abandoned to the extremes be it austerity or reckless borrowing. Neither of these work, we all know that, but plotting a clear economic path in the future is and remains a huge series of questions.
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"Roy Hattersley, Labour’s former deputy leader, has reignited the party’s feuding by claiming it is “in danger of disintegration” as extremists take over.
Labour is in “a much more dangerous situation” than during the Militant Tendency insurgency of the 1980s because left-wing activists are “increasingly in control” he claimed."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-latest-danger-disintegration-roy-hattersley-warns-a8294721.html0 -
'German police have foiled an alleged plot to attack Sunday's half-marathon in Berlin.
They said six men were arrested over plans to carry out a "violent crime".'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43690192
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Oh no Kimi/Ferrari.0
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I think it is that time of day when a Gentleman needs a refreshment, I will bid you good day.Nigelb said:
You are indeed a gentleman.malcolmg said:
Nigel, I will be sure to give you a large discount as you will only need minimal teaching.Nigelb said:
I’m looking forward to the opening of malc’s finishing school for young gentlemen....malcolmg said:
He is an arse at best, needs to learn some social skills....TheScreamingEagles said:
In which universe is Justin a Tory?malcolmg said:FPT
justin124 said:
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I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
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That was nasty.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh no Kimi/Ferrari.
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"Immigration has put up house prices by 20% over the past 25 years and Britain’s post-Brexit border rules must take account of demand for affordable homes, the new housing minister has declared."
"Housing Minister Dominic Raab told The Sunday Times that: “Based on the ONS data, the advice to me from the department is that in the last 25 years we have seen immigration put house prices up by something like 20%.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tory-housing-minister-dominic-raab-warns-that-immigration-has-pushed-up-house-prices-n27b7lq8j0 -
The reason that the phrase can be justified, is that there is a long established tradition of people who, on any given topic, will take the Russian side of any dispute.kle4 said:
Probably, but it at least got a mention in the mainstream news, briefly, when he got on to the NEC.Charles said:
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On the contrary - I think it can be used generically to refer to people who through their actions, and idiocy, aid people hostile to their own interests.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely.kle4 said:
Quite so. I think its generally used form now is understood.MarkHopkins said:
Words and phrases take on their own popular meaning, which can be completely at odds with its original purpose.Dura_Ace said:Can we all agree that the cliche "useful idiot" has been fucked to death? Nobody should use it until they have read and fully parsed Volkogonov's "Lenin:A New Biography" in order to properly understand its context.
It's very easily understood as a phrase righties throw out when they want to associate lefties with Marxist Leninism and the excesses of the Soviet Union (which by some miracle of transmutation are still defining qualities of Putin's Russia).
I'm very much in favour of de-partisan-ing insults. It's why I think snowflake applies to both right and left. Ans useful idiot is a useful enough phrase to be restricted solely to one side of the spectrum or ties to marxism.
Which is not to say people don't use it in the manner you describe, but getting one's panties in a twist about it seems like an overreaction. Nor does some people overusing it mean it can never apply to anyone.
Politics evolves, political language evolves as well, you don't have to be stuck in a 1980s mindset and assume everyone else is, even if some clearly are.
Edit - and you are right, Boris's example clearly was in that context. But I think we can co-opt it to wider use.
Some might say Boris is in some ways a useful idiot.
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In fact there is quite a lot of new thinking going on in the Lib Dems at the moment. There was a pamphlet published recently by Howarth and Greaves which attempts to set out the agenda.Sandpit said:
They need fresh ideas as well as the fresh face. Their only policy now seems to be opposing Brexit, and that will be redundant a year from now.GIN1138 said:0
