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What I like about Jeremy Corbyn and Seumas Milne is that they have put the era of spin behind them https://t.co/HYXhePQqp6
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Is it perhaps time for one of those transcript tragicomic plays for North London, based on the various unedited Corbyn and MaoDonnell histories?
We can have Roy McClusterf*ck in the Gods with the puppet controller crossed-sticks, and Jennie Formby playing a melancholy, self-satirical, ukelele.
Can we insert a Springtime for Hitler take-off, based on the PSC?
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Either your space bar is fucked or you had a good lunch.Yorkcity said:
I appreciate that , but Holocaust deniers , I asked Cyclefree to name them.As I was not aware that was a major problem anywhere to be honest , just a few cranks and an historian , I ever remember.kle4 said:
The whole story or just parts of it? There must be evidence of parts of it, because no way the leader of a party says there is a problem with anti-semitism in their party unless they are certain it exists.Recidivist said:
The near total absence of evidence for this story is its most remarkable feature.Yorkcity said:
Who is denying the Holocaust ? I wish someone would name them, their position , then surely it could be dealt with with If they are members of the party , they should be thrown out.Cyclefree said:A few comments on Corbyn:-
1. When Corbyn first became a candidate for leader, quite a few raised concerns for precisely the reasons which have become evident in recent days - and were roundly poo-poohed. We were told not to be silly and that Corbyn could not be blamed for whom he happened to be standing next to. Well, as we’ve seen (and as some of us said at the time) he did not “happen” to stand by these people. He chose to do so.
2. The risks for Labour now are two-fold:-
- that more is uncovered which relates to Corbyn directly: what he may have said or done in the past.
- that there is some violence or atrocity and that there are not many degrees of separation between the perpetrators and the Labour leadership. I fervently hope this does not happen.
It is sad, very sad, that Labour should have come to this.
What is also very worrying that some should be sanguine at the prospect of Holocaust deniers being given a free pass. Quite apart from questions of moral decency, these are people who deny facts - provable facts - and to have such people anywhere near public policy is very worrying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
This could all get gruesomely meta if accusations of holocaust denial denial start being bandied about.0 -
I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
Hm, how many pizza lovers want pineapple placed on them?TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
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Whole thing would bore the pants off you , f**kwits on both sides talking absolute mince an claiming to be holier than thou. Pathetic.Ishmael_Z said:
Either your space bar is fucked or you had a good lunch.Yorkcity said:
I appreciate that , but Holocaust deniers , I asked Cyclefree to name them.As I was not aware that was a major problem anywhere to be honest , just a few cranks and an historian , I ever remember.kle4 said:
The whole story or just parts of it? There must be evidence of parts of it, because no way the leader of a party says there is a problem with anti-semitism in their party unless they are certain it exists.Recidivist said:
The near total absence of evidence for this story is its most remarkable feature.Yorkcity said:
Who is denying the Holocaust ? I wish someone would name them, their position , then surely it could be dealt with with If they are members of the party , they should be thrown out.Cyclefree said:A few comments on Corbyn:-
1. When Corbyn first became a candidate for leader, quite a few raised concerns for precisely the reasons which have become evident in recent days - and were roundly poo-poohed. We were told not to be silly and that Corbyn could not be blamed for whom he happened to be standing next to. Well, as we’ve seen (and as some of us said at the time) he did not “happen” to stand by these people. He chose to do so.
2. The risks for Labour now are two-fold:-
- that more is uncovered which relates to Corbyn directly: what he may have said or done in the past.
- that there is some violence or atrocity and that there are not many degrees of separation between the perpetrators and the Labour leadership. I fervently hope this does not happen.
It is sad, very sad, that Labour should have come to this.
What is also very worrying that some should be sanguine at the prospect of Holocaust deniers being given a free pass. Quite apart from questions of moral decency, these are people who deny facts - provable facts - and to have such people anywhere near public policy is very worrying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
This could all get gruesomely meta if accusations of holocaust denial denial start being bandied about.0 -
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.0 -
Reminds me of the Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think the term is 'degenerates' not 'lovers'RobD said:
Hm, how many pizza lovers want pineapple placed on them?TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
Well, at least he accepts that Die Hard is a Chanukah movie.TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
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I thought you were going to say Official Radiohead Fan Club...TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
Oh dear. And the Observer painted those two as heroes exposing a massive fraud.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.0 -
I read that as a Springtime for Hitler bake-off.....MattW said:Is it perhaps time for one of those transcript tragicomic plays for North London, based on the various unedited Corbyn and MaoDonnell histories?
We can have Roy McClusterf*ck in the Gods with the puppet controller crossed-sticks, and Jennie Formby playing a melancholy, self-satirical, ukelele.
Can we insert a Springtime for Hitler take-off, based on the PSC?0 -
Given Chelsea's reputation, I was expecting to see a lot worse.TheScreamingEagles said:For fans of Spurs.
twitter.com/chrisapplegate/status/980494516103901184
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I mean it does expose Facebook as not taking privacy seriously and the academic still looks a bit dodgy / underhand, however (presuming it is true) CA can quite rightly say we bought this data that was gained via these T&C.RobD said:
Oh dear. And the Observer painted those two as heroes exposing a massive fraud.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.
It is most odd how this rather big news has hardly got a mention, in the minor pages of the FT and that's about it. I would have thought it was a rather big aspect of the story, unless those running with it have another agenda....0 -
Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
I believe there is a term of for this....now if the Daily Mail or Sun had done this, the BBC would be running a front page story about the scum bag Fake News Right Wing rag having to issue a major correction.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”0 -
Didn’t Cadwalladr say it had nothing to do with Leave vs Remain?.... titters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does expose Facebook as not taking privacy seriously and the academic still looks a bit dodgy / underhand, however (presuming it is true) CA can quite rightly say we bought this data that was gained via these T&C.RobD said:
Oh dear. And the Observer painted those two as heroes exposing a massive fraud.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.
It is most odd how this rather big news has hardly got a mention, in the minor pages of the FT and that's about it. I would have thought it was a rather big aspect of the story, unless those running with it have another agenda....0 -
The whole of that thread is a joy.RobD said:
Reminds me of the Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Is it beginning to look like Carole Codswallopr is lacking credibility?RobD said:
Didn’t Cadwalladr say it had nothing to do with Leave vs Remain?.... titters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does expose Facebook as not taking privacy seriously and the academic still looks a bit dodgy / underhand, however (presuming it is true) CA can quite rightly say we bought this data that was gained via these T&C.RobD said:
Oh dear. And the Observer painted those two as heroes exposing a massive fraud.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.
It is most odd how this rather big news has hardly got a mention, in the minor pages of the FT and that's about it. I would have thought it was a rather big aspect of the story, unless those running with it have another agenda....0 -
I'm crying at this oneMarqueeMark said:
The whole of that thread is a joy.RobD said:
Reminds me of the Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jnickelson15/status/9805087903060746240 -
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
They also harvest Facebook user data via their app in exactly the same way as the academic has been accused of doing....RobD said:
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
One of Guido’s elves found the correction in the print edition - buried on Page 50.RobD said:
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/
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It's certainly looking like the people that underestimated Dominic Cummings in 2016 have indeed doubled down in 2018.philiph said:
Is it beginning to look like Carole Codswallopr is lacking credibility?RobD said:
Didn’t Cadwalladr say it had nothing to do with Leave vs Remain?.... titters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does expose Facebook as not taking privacy seriously and the academic still looks a bit dodgy / underhand, however (presuming it is true) CA can quite rightly say we bought this data that was gained via these T&C.RobD said:
Oh dear. And the Observer painted those two as heroes exposing a massive fraud.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well as reported by the FT a few days ago, the whole ground upon which the Cambridge Analytica have been accused of doing wrong might not even be true i.e them using "stolen data" or illegally acquired data....it seems that the app the academic deployed had updated T&C shortly after release in which users agree that the owner of the app was free to sell the data collected.Floater said:
The suggestion is that Facebook used to be super lack and once an app was approved, changes in T&C weren't manually considered.
It is most odd how this rather big news has hardly got a mention, in the minor pages of the FT and that's about it. I would have thought it was a rather big aspect of the story, unless those running with it have another agenda....
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The thread under it is pretty hilarious.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Guardian/Observer have come out of this looking like a right bunch of.....FrancisUrquhart said:
They also harvest Facebook user data via their app in exactly the same way as the academic has been accused of doing....RobD said:
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
Somewhere, last weekend, deep in the bowels of The Guardian building, some poor twonk who actually understands this stuff read their moral high-ground, high-horse based "exclusive" about the horrors of secret and unethical collusion on data harvesting, looked at the mass of data that he was paid to harvest and thought "....oh FFS..."FrancisUrquhart said:
They also harvest Facebook user data via their app in exactly the same way as the academic has been accused of doing....RobD said:
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
You are presuming they have a twonk (I presume that's the layman term for data scientist)...Given they appear to have bugger all idea how to make money, perhaps they harvest all this data and then don't know how to exploit it.MarqueeMark said:
Somewhere, last weekend, deep in the bowels of The Guardian building, some poor twonk who actually understands this stuff read their moral high-ground, high-horse based "exclusive" about the horrors of secret and unethical collusion on data harvesting, looked at the mass of data that he was paid to harvest and thought "....oh FFS..."FrancisUrquhart said:
They also harvest Facebook user data via their app in exactly the same way as the academic has been accused of doing....RobD said:
What did you expect from the Guardian? This is the newspaper that goes on and on about tax avoidance, yet used the Cayman Islands to avoid tax. You couldn't make it up.Sandpit said:Awesome Observer ‘correction’ buried on page whatever, basically saying that their front page splash on Vote Leave and Cambridge Analytica last week was a load of...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/31/for-the-record-observer-corrections
“In two news articles last week (“Revealed: the ties that bound Canadian data firm to Leave campaign in referendum” and “Brexit insider claims Vote Leave team ‘may have broken law’”), we are happy to clarify that we did not intend to suggest that AggregateIQ is a direct part and/or the Canadian branch of Cambridge Analytica, or that it has been involved in the exploitation of Facebook data, or otherwise been involved in any of the alleged wrongdoing made against Cambridge Analytica. Further, we did not intend to suggest that AIQ secretly and unethically co-ordinated with Cambridge Analytica on the EU referendum. We are happy to make clear that AggregateIQ is and has always been 100% Canadian owned and operated.”
And, as Dominic Cummings pointed out last week in his blog, the Guardian Facebook App (yes, there’s a Guardian Facebook App) has a long list of Ts and Cs saying that the Guardian will harvest and sell your data and all your friends’ data. The Guardian also host digital marketing courses where they train businesses on the best way to target social media advertising!
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/0 -
The final strawTheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
This Cambridge Analytica stuff is a good example of one of the worst failings of a media. They aren't interested in reporting a story when it turns out not to be as exciting as previously advertised.0
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it's a conspiracy - someone joined for him and even if he did comment he never read what he was commenting on.TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
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Well there are legitimate issues, Facebook is as loose as an stereotypical Essex girl with our data...but that is not quite where they want the story to go at the moment.tlg86 said:This Cambridge Analytica stuff is a good example of one of the worst failings of a media. They aren't interested in reporting a story when it turns out not to be as exciting as previously advertised.
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And he has always strongly been against Pineapple on pizza...he has fought for years on the subject of the disgrace of fruit based toppings on pizzas.Floater said:
it's a conspiracy - someone joined for him and even if he did comment he never read what he was commenting on.TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'0 -
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and either way supporters of his on here will say there is no evidence, well other than that, and that , oh and that, that and that etcFrancisUrquhart said:
And he has always strongly been against Pineapple on pizza...he has fought for years on the subject of the disgrace of fruit based toppings on pizzas.Floater said:
it's a conspiracy - someone joined for him and even if he did comment he never read what he was commenting on.TheScreamingEagles said:I was told by a reliable source the reason for Corbyn closing his facebook account is that he is a member of a vile group that spews the most disgusting views.
He's a member of the facebook group 'Pineapple on pizza lovers'
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Blairites have always been tough on pineapple and tough on the causes of pineapple0
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I heard it takes less than 7 minutes to make a pizza with pineapple toppingoxfordsimon said:Blairites have always been tough on pineapple and tough on the causes of pineapple
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I read that in a guys PhD thesis...Floater said:
I heard it takes less than 7 minutes to make a pizza with pineapple toppingoxfordsimon said:Blairites have always been tough on pineapple and tough on the causes of pineapple
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No fan of the Guardian, and thought their investigation was overblown, but wasn’t their central claim that Vote Leave was directing BeLeave in how they spent their donation and did so in order to circumvent spending limits... the correction published today has nothing to do with that...0
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Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/0 -
Tiangong is skirting the upper atmosphere and losing altitude at an increasing rate. It has only two or three more circuits to go. It looks as if it will fall in the south Pacific or south Atlantic but it might just fall on the southern end of South America. It's just about to go over India.
http://www.aerospace.org/CORDSuploads/TiangongStoryboard.png0 -
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At the risk of stereotyping, French are courteous in my experience, somewhat reserved and jealous of their privacy. Maybe a tendency to intellectual arrogance.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the French really rude?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43554165
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When newspapers have to print retractions, they should be forced to print them with the same size and spread as the original accusations.
Allege on front cover? Apologise on front cover.
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How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/0 -
How do 69% of people even know who Damien Hinds is????HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Did they just tell people he was at the DWP?0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Her too.
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Someone should copy thatFrancisUrquhart said:
I read that in a guys PhD thesis...Floater said:
I heard it takes less than 7 minutes to make a pizza with pineapple toppingoxfordsimon said:Blairites have always been tough on pineapple and tough on the causes of pineapple
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I know he's not prime Sun fodder, but Jacob Rees Mogg's salience may be somewhat overrated, he doesn't appear on either top or bottom ten.HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
David Mundell being 8th on the most disliked list is...odd.0 -
Years ago on holiday on a french campsite my son who has ADHD and was a real live wire managed to ride his bike into a French families car and punch the handlebar through the door.FF43 said:
At the risk of stereotyping, French are courteous in my experience, somewhat reserved and jealous of their privacy. Maybe a tendency to intellectual arrogance.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the French really rude?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43554165
Yes, next....
I had a chat with them and offered to either give them my details so we could sort it out later or write a check there and then and they refused to take anything.
I also had a house in France later and the average French person was fine and as said very polite.
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That is very weird....I doubt most people know who Angela Rayner or Damian Hinds are.HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/0 -
Do we really live in a world where anyone likes Angela Rayner, and anyone has heard of Damian Hinds?HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Presumably the Sun just found 1000 respondents from the NUT...0 -
Perhaps people confused him with Damian Green?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How do 69% of people even know who Damien Hinds is????HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Did they just tell people he was at the DWP?0 -
For avoidance of doubt, I was joking. It is a bit like asking, are the German's really humourless.FF43 said:
At the risk of stereotyping, French are courteous in my experience, somewhat reserved and jealous of their privacy. Maybe a tendency to intellectual arrogance.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the French really rude?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43554165
Yes, next....0 -
The Guardian better watch out.....TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/980547801556844544
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Perhaps people like Angela Rayner because she had a child out of wedlock at a very young age.FrancisUrquhart said:
That is very weird....I doubt most people know who Angela Rayner or Damian Hinds are.HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
There's one PBer that is obsessed with that.0 -
Even then it seems a push.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps people confused him with Damian Green?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How do 69% of people even know who Damien Hinds is????HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Did they just tell people he was at the DWP?
Maybe they said "Tory" and the confusion was enough.0 -
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/0 -
Kate Osamor is number 10, I've worked in politics for years and literally have no idea who this is. Presumably this is just a poll of teachers.maaarsh said:
Do we really live in a world where anyone likes Angela Rayner, and anyone has heard of Damian Hinds?HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Presumably the Sun just found 1000 respondents from the NUT...0 -
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/0 -
Dave didn't overrule her because she lied to himsteve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/25/theresa-may-ignored-evidence-stop-and-search-effect-has-criminal/0 -
Had to wiki Matthew Hancock as well. What's he done to be so apparently disliked?0
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OK we're up to someone maybe 12% of people have heard ofTheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps people confused him with Damian Green?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How do 69% of people even know who Damien Hinds is????HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Did they just tell people he was at the DWP?0 -
Can't say nowt bad against the Guy,EU referendum he will be remembered for ;-)steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/0 -
It may be a teacher thing.TheWhiteRabbit said:
OK we're up to someone maybe 12% of people have heard ofTheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps people confused him with Damian Green?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How do 69% of people even know who Damien Hinds is????HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
Did they just tell people he was at the DWP?
Sir Lynton Crosby convinced Dave to move Gove from Education in 2014 because teachers really disliked him and blamed him for the cuts.
Parents really trust teachers, so they accepted their word.
So Hinds is picking up blame for long term issues at Education.0 -
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Historically, no DPP has lasted more than 5 or 6 years.FrancisUrquhart said:CPS head getting the heave ho.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/980549096808296448?s=21
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Not before time.Floater said:0 -
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London's murder rate has now overtaken the badly segregated New York City. Not good.0
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Well, he's for the members, not normal people.Theuniondivvie said:
I know he's not prime Sun fodder, but Jacob Rees Mogg's salience may be somewhat overrated, he doesn't appear on either top or bottom ten.HYUFD said:Sun poll on the most liked politicians
Top 5
1 Angela Rayner
=Dennis Skinner
3 Caroline Lucas
4 Ken Clarke
5 Dan Jarvis
The most disliked politicians
Top 5
1 Damian Hinds
2 Jeremy Hunt
3 Michael Gove
4 George Galloway
5 Matthew Hancock
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5927274/britains-favourite-royal-most-disliked-pop-star-and-top-celeb-revealed-in-new-poll/
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+1SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.0 -
I and a number of posters answered this on the previous thread. Google Christine Shawcroft, Alan Bull and the Peterborough Labour party, if you don’t believe me.Ishmael_Z said:
Either your space bar is fucked or you had a good lunch.Yorkcity said:
I appreciate that , but Holocaust deniers , I asked Cyclefree to name them.As I was not aware that was a major problem anywhere to be honest , just a few cranks and an historian , I ever remember.kle4 said:
The whole story or just parts of it? There must be evidence of parts of it, because no way the leader of a party says there is a problem with anti-semitism in their party unless they are certain it exists.Recidivist said:
The near total absence of evidence for this story is its most remarkable feature.Yorkcity said:
Who is denying the Holocaust ? I wish someone would name them, their position , then surely it could be dealt with with If they are members of the party , they should be thrown out.Cyclefree said:A few comments on Corbyn:-
1. When Corbyn first became a candidate for leader, quite a few raised concerns for precisely the reasons which have become evident in recent days - and were roundly poo-poohed. We were told not to be silly and that Corbyn could not be blamed for whom he happened to be standing next to. Well, as we’ve seen (and as some of us said at the time) he did not “happen” to stand by these people. He chose to do so.
2. The risks for Labour now are two-fold:-
- that more is uncovered which relates to Corbyn directly: what he may have said or done in the past.
- that there is some violence or atrocity and that there are not many degrees of separation between the perpetrators and the Labour leadership. I fervently hope this does not happen.
It is sad, very sad, that Labour should have come to this.
What is also very worrying that some should be sanguine at the prospect of Holocaust deniers being given a free pass. Quite apart from questions of moral decency, these are people who deny facts - provable facts - and to have such people anywhere near public policy is very worrying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
This could all get gruesomely meta if accusations of holocaust denial denial start being bandied about.0 -
https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/980549875082432514TheWhiteRabbit said:Historically, no DPP has lasted more than 5 or 6 years.
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Here's the full list:SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/investigate.asp0 -
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.0 -
Calling her second-rate would be to overestimate her. My experience of the CPS is that they were absolutely dire. And the disclosure issue is not limited to rape cases in the Crown Court either. It affects cases before the magistrates’ courts: see http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09snj9b.tlg86 said:
Not before time.Floater said:
Worth noting that David Green’s replacement as head of the Serious Fraud Office has not been announced and Green is retiring in 3 weeks.0 -
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I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there. Yes, it's sad but until it starts happening in Woking, I find it really difficult to care.SeanT said:
We imported them from the 1960s on. First and second generation black kids are the main perps and victims of these crimes. It's tragic for them, but it is also tragic for the country as a whole. Britain was once renowned for its peaceability, and unusual orderliness.Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
What a mess. What a fucking disaster multiculti has proved. Just awful.
And where we have led other countries are following. Sweden, Germany, Holland, France.
The West is self harming.0 -
Linklaters?! Jesus: thank God I’m not paying their bills any more. I wouldn’t pay their rates for someone like Saunders.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/980549875082432514TheWhiteRabbit said:Historically, no DPP has lasted more than 5 or 6 years.
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The Windrush turned up 70 years ago now. I suspect most Afro-Caribbean people are third generation at this point, given lower income groups tend to have children in their mid-20s or below. At what point does this country's educational and policing system take responsibility?SeanT said:
We imported them from the 1960s on. First and second generation black kids are the main perps and victims of these crimes. It's tragic for them, but it is also tragic for the country as a whole. Britain was once renowned for its peaceability, and unusual orderliness.Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
What a mess. What a fucking disaster multiculti has proved. Just awful.
And where we have led other countries are following. Sweden, Germany, Holland, France.
The West is self harming.0 -
Acid attacks have occurred in Kensington. Don't assume because you only visit zone 1 it can't happen to you!tlg86 said:
I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there. Yes, it's sad but until it starts happening in Woking, I find it really difficult to care.SeanT said:
We imported them from the 1960s on. First and second generation black kids are the main perps and victims of these crimes. It's tragic for them, but it is also tragic for the country as a whole. Britain was once renowned for its peaceability, and unusual orderliness.Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
What a mess. What a fucking disaster multiculti has proved. Just awful.
And where we have led other countries are following. Sweden, Germany, Holland, France.
The West is self harming.0 -
Didn't realise you'd put it in this thread so I'll add it here as well.Cyclefree said:
I and a number of posters answered this on the previous thread. Google Christine Shawcroft, Alan Bull and the Peterborough Labour party, if you don’t believe me.Ishmael_Z said:
Either your space bar is fucked or you had a good lunch.Yorkcity said:
I appreciate that , but Holocaust deniers , I asked Cyclefree to name them.As I was not aware that was a major problem anywhere to be honest , just a few cranks and an historian , I ever remember.kle4 said:
The whole story or just parts of it? There must be evidence of parts of it, because no way the leader of a party says there is a problem with anti-semitism in their party unless they are certain it exists.Recidivist said:
The near total absence of evidence for this story is its most remarkable feature.Yorkcity said:
Who is denying the Holocaust ? I wish someone would name them, their position , then surely it could be dealt with with If they are members of the party , they should be thrown out.Cyclefree said:A few comments on Corbyn:-
1. When Corbyn first became a candidate for leader, quite a few raised concerns for precisely the reasons which have become evident in recent days - and were roundly poo-poohed. We were told not to be silly and that Corbyn could not be blamed for whom he happened to be standing next to. Well, as we’ve seen (and as some of us said at the time) he did not “happen” to stand by these people. He chose to do so.
2. The risks for Labour now are two-fold:-
- that more is uncovered which relates to Corbyn directly: what he may have said or done in the past.
- that there is some violence or atrocity and that there are not many degrees of separation between the perpetrators and the Labour leadership. I fervently hope this does not happen.
It is sad, very sad, that Labour should have come to this.
What is also very worrying that some should be sanguine at the prospect of Holocaust deniers being given a free pass. Quite apart from questions of moral decency, these are people who deny facts - provable facts - and to have such people anywhere near public policy is very worrying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
This could all get gruesomely meta if accusations of holocaust denial denial start being bandied about.
Not sure why Guido aren't making more of Christine's holocaust denial or the Peterborough Labour party... seems a bit weak to just accuse them of defending Bull if they are actually guilty of the same crime!!
Also I think the idea was ones who got a free pass as you originally mentioned, which pretty much excludes Bull.0 -
If I'm not in a rush, I sometimes walk from Holborn to Arsenal for evening kick offs. Perhaps I shouldn't. I'm certainly wary of mopeds and I never have my phone out when I'm on the street.brendan16 said:
Acid attacks have occurred in Kensington. Don't assume because you only visit zone 1 it can't happen to you!tlg86 said:
I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there. Yes, it's sad but until it starts happening in Woking, I find it really difficult to care.SeanT said:
We imported them from the 1960s on. First and second generation black kids are the main perps and victims of these crimes. It's tragic for them, but it is also tragic for the country as a whole. Britain was once renowned for its peaceability, and unusual orderliness.Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
What a mess. What a fucking disaster multiculti has proved. Just awful.
And where we have led other countries are following. Sweden, Germany, Holland, France.
The West is self harming.0 -
Were these allegations made to the police? Are they being investigated by them? The police - rather than a political party - are the right body to be investigating such allegations. It sounds bad but I would like to know more facts.Scott_P said:0 -
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You will be pleased to know Somali asylum claims is down to a few hundred each year:SeanT said:
Northern cities are pretty bad, too. But London has seen a particular surge in violence.tlg86 said:
I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there.SeanT said:Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
The West is self harming.
You can see it. Parts of London I have always regarded as benign if poor now feel properly sketchy - like bad hoods in NYC in the 1980s. Something has gone badly wrong.
Immigration is one huge factor. Take Somalians in Camden as one particular example (which I know well from my ex - a Camden policewoman). They are bewildered by western values, family structures fall apart on impact with western life, a lot come from civil war zones ANYWAY and have a tolerance if not desire for violence. A recipe for disaster: my ex said she spent half her time trying to deal with feral Somali boys with knives, drugs and very bad attitudes to women.
What the fuck are they doing here? Do we need Somalians? They were never even in the commonwealth?
Thanks to Freedom of Movement, a lot of Somalis came from hostile Holland, heading over to the UK and London, which they found more "accommodating of Islam".
https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21583710-somalis-fare-much-worse-other-immigrants-what-holds-them-back-road-long
(Though I must admit I was surprised that there are about 100k Somalis in the UK - more than Indian Muslims apparently.)0 -
That can't be true.SeanT said:
Northern cities are pretty bad, too. But London has seen a particular surge in violence.tlg86 said:
I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there.SeanT said:
We imported them from the 1960s on. First and second generation black kids are the main perps and victims of these crimes. It's tragic for them, but it is also tragic for the country as a whole. Britain was once renowned for its peaceability, and unusual orderliness.Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
What a mess. What a fucking disaster multiculti has proved. Just awful.
And where we have led other countries are following. Sweden, Germany, Holland, France.
The West is self harming.
You can see it. Parts of London I have always regarded as benign if poor now feel properly sketchy - like bad hoods in NYC in the 1980s. Something has gone badly wrong.
Immigration is one huge factor. Take Somalians in Camden as one particular example (which I know well from my ex - a Camden policewoman). They are bewildered by western values, family structures fall apart on impact with western life, a lot come from civil war zones ANYWAY and have a tolerance if not desire for violence. A recipe for disaster: my ex said she spent half her time trying to deal with feral Somali boys with knives, drugs and very bad attitudes to women.
What the fuck are they doing here? Do we need Somalians? They were never even in the commonwealth?
Thanks to Freedom of Movement, a lot of Somalis came from hostile Holland, heading over to the UK and London, which they found more "accommodating of Islam".
Alastiar Meeks has told us its all 'xenophobic lies'.0 -
@SeanT
The establishment must take some of the blame.
In Bradford we have two local pubs that get attacked every bonfire week by a very large Asian mob,what do the police do -Nothing .
The police excuse is it may cause a full blown riot so it sounds like a couple cracked heads won't matter.
This will lead to disorder in the future ,a future where whiteflight is happening.0 -
Still, immigrants, on the whole, are a lot less likely to commit crime than white British people. My parents are Iranian immigrants and British Iranians barely commit any crime at all. I suspect that is because we are mainly highly educated people from urban backgrounds.SeanT said:
As I say, many came from Holland and elsewhere in the EU, under Free Movement, and there was nowt we could doElliot said:
You will be pleased to know Somali asylum claims is down to a few hundred each year:SeanT said:
Northern cities are pretty bad, too. But London has seen a particular surge in violence.tlg86 said:
I don't know if there is opinion polling on this, but it's an issue that is limited to big cities - mostly London. I work in London, but I have absolutely no desire to live there.SeanT said:Elliot said:
I was under the impression most knife and gun crime in London came from within the British black community, not immigrants.SeanT said:
It's a failure by the entire Establishment, left and right, importing criminal migrant communities, failing to police them properly, feebly giving in to accusations of racism. Etc.steve_garner said:
Can anyone remind me of which PM did not overrule her?Tykejohnno said:
And the community leaders who shout the loudest of Racism.TheScreamingEagles said:
How about blaming the Home Secretary that changed stop and search?MarkHopkins said:
Kongratulations Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
Whatever happened to her?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/theresa-mays-stop-and-search-shake-up-is-costing-lives/
Well done everyone. London is now more dangerous than New York. We are ruled by a special class of inept c*nts.
The West is self harming.
Thanks to Freedom of Movement, a lot of Somalis came from hostile Holland, heading over to the UK and London, which they found more "accommodating of Islam".
https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21583710-somalis-fare-much-worse-other-immigrants-what-holds-them-back-road-long
(Though I must admit I was surprised that there are about 100k Somalis in the UK - more than Indian Muslims apparently.)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/1479533/Frustrated-Somalis-flee-Holland-for-the-freedom-of-Britain.html
A calamity. Reason for Brexit number 57180 -
From Guido's expose:
' “We used the data that 3.2 million people consented to give away after signing up for the Guardian app,” Kale explains, “and we targeted our propaganda to the three key Remain indicators: people who liked Bob Geldof, soy milk and the CBI on Facebook”. '
https://order-order.com/2018/04/01/remain-campaign-whistleblower-reveals-they-cheated-and-still-lost/#disqus_thread0
