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Today’s YouGov LAB members has one finding that shows the extraordinary optimism of those who backed Corbyn in the last leadership election. 80% of them told the poster that they believed that Mr Corbyn would at sometime become Prime Minister.
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Completely disagreed. If Labour win enough seats in England to win power with the support of the SNP then do you seriously suggest that the SNP will prop up the Tories instead of installing Labour?
Especially bearing in mind that the next election if it runs to term will be in 2022 and the Tories would have been in Downing Street for a dozen years. The SNP won't want to be seen to maintain that for longer.0 -
Well it was thanks to the SNP we had 18 years of Tory rule/Thatcherism.Philip_Thompson said:Completely disagreed. If Labour win enough seats in England to win power with the support of the SNP then do you seriously suggest that the SNP will prop up the Tories instead of installing Labour?
Especially bearing in mind that the next election if it runs to term will be in 2022 and the Tories would have been in Downing Street for a dozen years. The SNP won't want to be seen to maintain that for longer.
You could also argue that the SNP helped the Tories win a majority in 2015, instead of the Tories being the largest party in the Parliament.
There was also a de facto SNP/Tory alliance at Holyrood between 2007-11.0 -
If there were an election tomorrow I would say SNP 30 (-5), CON 10 (-3) LD 5 (+1) LAB 14 (+7)0
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If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.0 -
The SNP would probably try and make the UK ungoverable at Westminster. Keep voting down Budgets. Get it to the point where we were delighted to see them wave rUK cheerio.....Philip_Thompson said:Completely disagreed. If Labour win enough seats in England to win power with the support of the SNP then do you seriously suggest that the SNP will prop up the Tories instead of installing Labour?
Especially bearing in mind that the next election if it runs to term will be in 2022 and the Tories would have been in Downing Street for a dozen years. The SNP won't want to be seen to maintain that for longer.0 -
Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
That was polling of Labour members. They might just not reflect the views of the wider electorate.....TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.0 -
I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
Scotland depends very much on how many/few are prepared to tactically vote. There are few 3 way marginals (Lanark and Hamilton East being one), and no Labour/Tory ones. Is there any polling evidence to show how many would be willing to shift their votes to keep SNP, Tory or Labour out?0
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Probably the stupidest comment you've ever posted. This poll was of LAB members not voters as a whole so quoting the 80% is hardly relevant.TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.0 -
I was correcting the article where it referenced 80% of Labour members think Corbyn will be PM, I think it was confused with the doing well statistic, which is at 80% whereas the will be PM, made up of fairly likely and very likely is 64%MarqueeMark said:
That was polling of Labour members. They might just not reflect the views of the wider electorate.....TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.
None of the numbers were intended as reflective of the wider voting public..
Edit: TSE it is part of my hope for people moving away from the SNP, they may become disillusioned if she doesn't call one.
Edit 2: I specifically mentioned in my comment 'the article' maybe this is unclear language on my behalf but I am talking about the write up at top of the page.0 -
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
I don't think I've ever agreed with TheJezziah but that's unnecessarily offensive. The article says "80% of them told the poster that they believed that Mr Corbyn would at sometime become Prime Minister" so it seems entirely relevant to point out that the correct figure was 64%.MikeSmithson said:
Probably the stupidest comment you've ever posted. This poll was of LAB members not voters as a whole so quoting the 80% is hardly relevant.TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.0 -
I understood what you meant and appreciated your correction to the figures.TheJezziah said:Edit 2: I specifically mentioned in my comment 'the article' maybe this is unclear language on my behalf but I am talking about the write up at top of the page.
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Difficult to do that without a sustained period of asking for one and being turned down.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.
Danger of that is May could call her bluff and say yes.0 -
Thank you Phillip, I assume it was based on a misreading on what I was trying to say. A point of correction rather than evidence of some point I am trying to make.
Edit: Also to clarify It was an accuracy thing rather than a catching a mistake thing.
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The SNP exists to make Scotland independent. They will always push for independence if they have the chance. The leadership could make a tactical case for limited delay if they think they will get a better result later. On the whole I think they would prefer to have tried and failed than to seem to let chances slip away. The SNP would demand a price to support a Labour government in Westminster. That price could well be another independence referendum. Labour and the SNP loathe each other but the fact is most SNP support is ex-Labour voters and any future Labour renaissance in Scotland depends on getting SNP voters to switch. Labour will have a partisan incentive to be open towards independence.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers than be in Madrid.0 -
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
If voters move away from the SNP because a second indy ref isn't called, it would take some leap of logic for them to support a party lead by someone who has promised to 'campaign tirelessly against a second Scottish independence referendum'.TheJezziah said:
I was correcting the article where it referenced 80% of Labour members think Corbyn will be PM, I think it was confused with the doing well statistic, which is at 80% whereas the will be PM, made up of fairly likely and very likely is 64%MarqueeMark said:
That was polling of Labour members. They might just not reflect the views of the wider electorate.....TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.
None of the numbers were intended as reflective of the wider voting public..
Edit: TSE it is part of my hope for people moving away from the SNP, they may become disillusioned if she doesn't call one.
Edit 2: I specifically mentioned in my comment 'the article' maybe this is unclear language on my behalf but I am talking about the write up at top of the page.0 -
FPT and the debate on the future of Israel, with a few people somewhat confused by the apparent self-harm Israeli voters seemed keen on inflicting on themselves rather than grasping the nettle of peace, it's interesting to read about the transformational extent of Russian immigration from the former Soviet Union and how drastically it changed Israeli society and politics.
https://www.haaretz.com/st/c/prod/eng/25yrs_russ_img/0 -
They would be the ones (if they did it in any number) who would stop voting SNP (and help Labour catch up) rather than the ones converting to Labour. We have had some converts from the SNP but generally I would imagine the ones who would drift away from the SNP for that reason would not become Labour voters. I never actually said they would switch from the SNP to Labour for that reason.0
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I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.0 -
Hard to imagine she would do worse.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.
When I feel really depressed about the awfulness of our politicians, I remind myself that many countries have it worse - Spain, Greece, The European Commission, the US...0 -
A very interesting article. Thanks for posting it.MyBurningEars said:FPT and the debate on the future of Israel, with a few people somewhat confused by the apparent self-harm Israeli voters seemed keen on inflicting on themselves rather than grasping the nettle of peace, it's interesting to read about the transformational extent of Russian immigration from the former Soviet Union and how drastically it changed Israeli society and politics.
https://www.haaretz.com/st/c/prod/eng/25yrs_russ_img/0 -
I once went to a conference in Dubai in August.Sandpit said:
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
I am not so sure the SNP winning most seats in Scotland stops Corbyn becoming PM.
It makes it more difficult for Labour to win an overall majority at the last general election but given Sturgeon made clear last month the SNP would provide Corbyn with confidence and supply that does not necessarily prevent Corbyn becoming PM even if it is another hung parliament and the Tories do not again have enough seats with the DUP for a majority0 -
The next Holyrood elections fall in 2021 ie the year before the next general election and current polls give Unionist parties a majority in the Scottish Parliament which has a PR element unlike Westminster.FF43 said:
The SNP exists to make Scotland independent. They will always push for independence if they have the chance. The leadership could make a tactical case for limited delay if they think they will get a better result later. On the whole I think they would prefer to have tried and failed than to seem to let chances slip away. The SNP would demand a price to support a Labour government in Westminster. That price could well be another independence referendum. Labour and the SNP loathe each other but the fact is most SNP support is ex-Labour voters and any future Labour renaissance in Scotland depends on getting SNP voters to switch. Labour will have a partisan incentive to be open towards independence.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers than be in Madrid.
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood Westminster would certainly block any indyref2 proposal so that would not be part of any SNP confidence and supply deal0 -
Poor planning by somebody. I assume most of Dubai was in London?rcs1000 said:
I once went to a conference in Dubai in August.Sandpit said:
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
That’s a silly idea, those of us who live here will do almost anything to escape in August!rcs1000 said:
I once went to a conference in Dubai in August.Sandpit said:
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/980111040817004544
It’s amazing how many British tourists turn up every summer though, not wondering why the 5* beach resorts are all half the price they are in the winter.0 -
I agree Mike's comment is unnecessarily offensive. However, the problem is that the thread header isn't as clear as it could be. I, like TheJezziah, initially read it as saying 80% of Labour members think Corbyn will become Prime Minister. However, having looked at the poll and re-read the first couple of sentences of the thread header, I can see Mike meant that 80% of those Labour members who say they supported Corbyn in the last leadership election (vs Jones) think he will be PM.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think I've ever agreed with TheJezziah but that's unnecessarily offensive. The article says "80% of them told the poster that they believed that Mr Corbyn would at sometime become Prime Minister" so it seems entirely relevant to point out that the correct figure was 64%.MikeSmithson said:
Probably the stupidest comment you've ever posted. This poll was of LAB members not voters as a whole so quoting the 80% is hardly relevant.TheJezziah said:If Labour age going to get a majority I think we need to get around 20 more seats in Scotland.
I think this is one area where time passing may favour Labour (it may not as well) my hope would be more voters fall away from the SNP, ideally to Labour but by not voting for the SNP again they would help us in quite a few of the seats.
Also in regards to the article it is 80% that think Corbyn is doing well and 64% that think it is very likely or fairly likely he will be PM.0 -
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.0 -
Yup!MarqueeMark said:
Poor planning by somebody. I assume most of Dubai was in London?rcs1000 said:
I once went to a conference in Dubai in August.Sandpit said:
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/980111040817004544
I’ve a UK based client I meet with every couple of months - he comes to me in the winter and I go to him in the summer! The heat and humidity are quite horrible.0 -
Tell that to the Guardian...Bromptonaut said:
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
https://tinyurl.com/yd39scmx
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Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/9798491088894402560 -
Even Scott has given up using that excuse.Bromptonaut said:
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
A Leave vote mean the 2016 harvest will rot in the fields, errr the 2017 harvest will rot in the fields, errr the 2018 harvest will rot in the fields, errr the 2019 harvest will rot in the fields ...
This is the problem with pedalling claims about food rotting in the fields - the supermarkets will expose them as lies.0 -
Do you think SAWS is going to end?Bromptonaut said:
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.0 -
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood, no referendum will (can) be requested.HYUFD said:
The next Holyrood elections fall in 2021 ie the year before the next general election and current polls give Unionist parties a majority in the Scottish Parliament which has a PR element unlike Westminster.FF43 said:
The SNP exists to make Scotland independent. They will always push for independence if they have the chance. The leadership could make a tactical case for limited delay if they think they will get a better result later. On the whole I think they would prefer to have tried and failed than to seem to let chances slip away. The SNP would demand a price to support a Labour government in Westminster. That price could well be another independence referendum. Labour and the SNP loathe each other but the fact is most SNP support is ex-Labour voters and any future Labour renaissance in Scotland depends on getting SNP voters to switch. Labour will have a partisan incentive to be open towards independence.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers than be in Madrid.
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood Westminster would certainly block any indyref2 proposal so that would not be part of any SNP confidence and supply deal
But who then becomes the government of Scotland given that Labour would certainly not support the Conservatives?0 -
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/9798491088894402560 -
May and Westminster would block any indyref2 call anyway, Sturgeon's mandate for that went when she lost so many SNP MPs at GE 2017 after she started to push the issuewilliamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
It could be like 2007-11 were the largest party takes over with the acquiescence of the others as there is no alternative but no major constitutional issues are dealt with and governance is done on an issue by issue basis on where a majority can be found.ydoethur said:
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood, no referendum will (can) be requested.HYUFD said:
The next Holyrood elections fall in 2021 ie the year before the next general election and current polls give Unionist parties a majority in the Scottish Parliament which has a PR element unlike Westminster.FF43 said:
The SNP exists to make Scotland independent. They will always push for independence if they have the chance. The leadership could make a tactical case for limited delay if they think they will get a better result later. On the whole I think they would prefer to have tried and failed than to seem to let chances slip away. The SNP would demand a price to support a Labour government in Westminster. That price could well be another independence referendum. Labour and the SNP loathe each other but the fact is most SNP support is ex-Labour voters and any future Labour renaissance in Scotland depends on getting SNP voters to switch. Labour will have a partisan incentive to be open towards independence.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers than be in Madrid.
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood Westminster would certainly block any indyref2 proposal so that would not be part of any SNP confidence and supply deal
But who then becomes the government of Scotland given that Labour would certainly not support the Conservatives?0 -
Sturgeon would form a minority government most likely as Salmond did from 2007 to 2011 but yes another indyref would not be on the cardsydoethur said:
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood, no referendum will (can) be requested.HYUFD said:
The next Holyrood elections fall in 2021 ie the year before the next general election and current polls give Unionist parties a majority in the Scottish Parliament which has a PR element unlike Westminster.FF43 said:
The SNP exists to make Scotland independent. They will always push for independence if they have the chance. The leadership could make a tactical case for limited delay if they think they will get a better result later. On the whole I think they would prefer to have tried and failed than to seem to let chances slip away. The SNP would demand a price to support a Labour government in Westminster. That price could well be another independence referendum. Labour and the SNP loathe each other but the fact is most SNP support is ex-Labour voters and any future Labour renaissance in Scotland depends on getting SNP voters to switch. Labour will have a partisan incentive to be open towards independence.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers than be in Madrid.
If there is a Unionist majority at Holyrood Westminster would certainly block any indyref2 proposal so that would not be part of any SNP confidence and supply deal
But who then becomes the government of Scotland given that Labour would certainly not support the Conservatives?0 -
Migrant worker numbers down 15-20%, leading to a 10-15% shortfall in workers overall. Less than half of those that did come are certain of coming back next year. Bear in mind you plant the crops before you know who's going to pick them. There's definitely an issue. Enjoy the British vegetables while you still can.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-435295490 -
The SNP have 59% of the Westminster seats. Losing seats has more impact on your mandate if it also means you lose your majority, like Theresa May did.HYUFD said:
May and Westminster would block any indyref2 call anyway, Sturgeon's mandate for that went when she lost so many SNP MPs at GE 2017 after she started to push the issuewilliamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
You must have been short of Tier Points just before year end to inflict that on yourself...rcs1000 said:
I once went to a conference in Dubai in August.Sandpit said:
Quite. I find it difficult to get too upset about travel arrangements for Cabinet ministers when on official business. As distinct from taxpayers’ money spent on various jollies to ‘conferences’ which have a habit of being in rather nice places at convenient times of year.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he hadn't traveled much, they would be complaining that he wasn't doing enough to try and sort out post-Brexit arrangements...Morris_Dancer said:Of course, that has to persist to 2022 (probably).
FPT: Miss JGP, a very interesting observation. I'm not sure if that would apply to motorsport, but being able to alter the weight of your legs (presumably if he makes it to F1 they'll have a race pair that's as light as possible) would be helpful). The acceleration/deceleration is comparable to a a plane, though so it might help that way too.
FPT: Mr. Sandpit, aye, he really appears to have his head screwed on right.
Speaking of deleted tweets, pathologically EU-phile propaganda organ The New European has deleted this one, possibly after everyone pointed out the logical flaw in their outrage:
https://twitter.com/Welshracer/status/9801110408170045440 -
In my day, it was right of passage to do a Saturday job...also it wasn't a bad way to meet the opposite sex....Sounds like it has become the exception rather than the norm, the Saturday job, not the chasing skirt.Philip_Thompson said:
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/9798491088894402560 -
Lighten up you humourless diddy.Philip_Thompson said:
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/9798491088894402560 -
You don't need to tell the Guardian anything but you could inform yourself of the facts by reading a decently researched article on the topic.tlg86 said:
Tell that to the Guardian...Bromptonaut said:
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
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Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.
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Only taken 3 days...TGOHF said:0 -
Ah the last refuge of someone shown up for posting nonsense, the "I was joking" defence.Theuniondivvie said:
Lighten up you humourless diddy.Philip_Thompson said:
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/979849108889440256
So you agree McVey was being reasonable I take it now?0 -
The economic backdrop is very different from 2014. Ireland seems to be doing very well with the Euro.TGOHF said:
Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
This is starting to resemble Major's government, with its endless dithering over resigning matters making it look even sillier than it was.TGOHF said:0 -
Nobody aspires to be Ireland - not even the Irish.williamglenn said:
The economic backdrop is very different from 2014. Ireland seems to be doing very well with the Euro.TGOHF said:
Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
No, I think flying the idea that kids getting Saturday jobs should be a factor for Brexit UK is cretinous, and I'm quite comfortable ripping the piss out of it in any manner I see fit.Philip_Thompson said:
Ah the last refuge of someone shown up for posting nonsense, the "I was joking" defence.Theuniondivvie said:
Lighten up you humourless diddy.Philip_Thompson said:
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/979849108889440256
So you agree McVey was being reasonable I take it now?0 -
May got 42% of the vote in 2017, Sturgeon got 37%. It is of course May and Westminster under parliamentary sovereignty who decide if there will be any indyref2 anywaywilliamglenn said:
The SNP have 59% of the Westminster seats. Losing seats has more impact on your mandate if it also means you lose your majority, like Theresa May did.HYUFD said:
May and Westminster would block any indyref2 call anyway, Sturgeon's mandate for that went when she lost so many SNP MPs at GE 2017 after she started to push the issuewilliamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
Glad to see sense finally prevails. There’s only usually one reason someone resigns at 7:30 on a Saturday though...TGOHF said:0 -
I don't think so. If we are independent and join the European Union, the euro will be our currency as part of the package. Sterling won't work for us.TGOHF said:
Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
Then again, we did have to bail out the Irish banking system a couple of years earlier.williamglenn said:
The economic backdrop is very different from 2014. Ireland seems to be doing very well with the Euro.TGOHF said:
Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
You must think the UK economy is stellar then, given our unemployment rate is 30% lower.williamglenn said:
The economic backdrop is very different from 2014. Ireland seems to be doing very well with the Euro.TGOHF said:
Joining the Euro would be a tough sell to Scotland for Nicla.williamglenn said:
Originally her timeline was after we know what the Brexit deal looks like but before it's too late to choose a different course. Given a standstill transition her calculus will surely be different as the logic for independence strengthens once the UK is in a "vassal state" position, and UK secession combined with EU accession can be pitched as taking back control. In those circumstances unionist pro-Europeans would be pushed towards support for independence, and Eurosceptic indy-supporters would be marginalised.TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what happens if Nicola Sturgeon doesn't call another independence referendum.
She might be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She's not stupid, she knows if the Nats lose another referendum that really will settle it for a generation and then some but if she doesn't call a referendum then she'll be facing an insurrection from her own side.
I wonder if she'll call a non section 30 authorised referendum. I'd hope Mrs May would handle it better than the powers that be in Madrid.0 -
John McDonnell finally managed to sit Jeremy down and explained to him slowly, using short words, why Shawcroft had to go. Izzard is a non-Corbynista, so Jeremy is now down one on the NEC. Not that it will make much difference.Sandpit said:
Glad to see sense finally prevails. There’s only usually one reason someone resigns at 7:30 on a Saturday though...TGOHF said:
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Higher low skill wages for British citizens is well worth losing a little bit of agricultural activity eith terrible pay and conditions.FF43 said:
Migrant worker numbers down 15-20%, leading to a 10-15% shortfall in workers overall. Less than half of those that did come are certain of coming back next year. Bear in mind you plant the crops before you know who's going to pick them. There's definitely an issue. Enjoy the British vegetables while you still can.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
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That was then. They'll definitely go for Labour over Conservatives.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it was thanks to the SNP we had 18 years of Tory rule/Thatcherism.Philip_Thompson said:Completely disagreed. If Labour win enough seats in England to win power with the support of the SNP then do you seriously suggest that the SNP will prop up the Tories instead of installing Labour?
Especially bearing in mind that the next election if it runs to term will be in 2022 and the Tories would have been in Downing Street for a dozen years. The SNP won't want to be seen to maintain that for longer.
You could also argue that the SNP helped the Tories win a majority in 2015, instead of the Tories being the largest party in the Parliament.
There was also a de facto SNP/Tory alliance at Holyrood between 2007-11.0 -
Lets hope that McDonnell did just that.SouthamObserver said:
John McDonnell finally managed to sit Jeremy down and explained to him slowly, using short words, why Shawcroft had to go. Izzard is a non-Corbynista, so Jeremy is now down one on the NEC. Not that it will make much difference.Sandpit said:
Glad to see sense finally prevails. There’s only usually one reason someone resigns at 7:30 on a Saturday though...TGOHF said:
For now though, I’ll stick with my original theory that she just had a call from a newspaper.0 -
I think the idea people can get by without any work ethic is cretinous.Theuniondivvie said:
No, I think flying the idea that kids getting Saturday jobs should be a factor for Brexit UK is cretinous, and I'm quite comfortable ripping the piss out of it in any manner I see fit.Philip_Thompson said:
Ah the last refuge of someone shown up for posting nonsense, the "I was joking" defence.Theuniondivvie said:
Lighten up you humourless diddy.Philip_Thompson said:
That shows you to be pathetic not McVey. A teenager working on a Saturday isn't remotely equivalent to a chimneysweep.Theuniondivvie said:Marvellous stuff, get the ungrateful little blighters down the innovative jam mines and up the global chimneys.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/979849108889440256
So you agree McVey was being reasonable I take it now?0 -
The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".0 -
There’s no anti-semitism row. It’s merely a Blairite plot to undermine the dear leader.TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
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No apology then...its the evil media's fault.TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".0 -
Yep, pretty sure that happened, too. She has a past and then some. But these stories are always dismissed as smears when published. I’m pretty sure she’s only gone because she’s been told to.Sandpit said:
Lets hope that McDonnell did just that.SouthamObserver said:
John McDonnell finally managed to sit Jeremy down and explained to him slowly, using short words, why Shawcroft had to go. Izzard is a non-Corbynista, so Jeremy is now down one on the NEC. Not that it will make much difference.Sandpit said:
Glad to see sense finally prevails. There’s only usually one reason someone resigns at 7:30 on a Saturday though...TGOHF said:
For now though, I’ll stick with my original theory that she just had a call from a newspaper.
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So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.0 -
Chris Mason
Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC
20m20 minutes ago
Christine Shawcroft will be replaced on Labour's National Executive Committee by Eddie Izzard
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The problem is that she is still a party member.ydoethur said:
So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.
To show real action Corbyn has to cancel her party membership along with many others0 -
Give it another 3 days, then sent to the naughty step for a few months, then quietly unsuspended.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that she is still a party member.ydoethur said:
So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.
To show real action Corbyn has to cancel her party membership along with many others0 -
I was just thinking the same. No acknowledgement that she did anything wrong, and it's all the fault of the media.ydoethur said:
So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.0 -
Its was obviously all sniff sniff, taps mic, FAKE NEWS...JosiasJessop said:
I was just thinking the same. No acknowledgement that she did anything wrong, and it's all the fault of the media.ydoethur said:
So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.0 -
Any polls expected ce soir?0
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But that is the sort of line Corbyn has been taking for days. No acceptance of any personal responsibility for ANYTHING.JosiasJessop said:
I was just thinking the same. No acknowledgement that she did anything wrong, and it's all the fault of the media.ydoethur said:
So it was in no way her fault and she is only resigning because of a media circus?TheWhiteRabbit said:The Labour official at the centre of an anti-Semitism row has resigned from the party's ruling committee.
Christine Shawcroft said her membership of the NEC had "become a distraction for the party and an excuse for endless intrusive media harassment of myself, my family and friends".
What a weaselly statement.
I know apologies these days are nearly always in the passive voice - and so always appear like non-apologies. But their tactics to shut this down aren't working.
Even if Corbyn went through a public conversion to Judaism now, it wouldn't shut it down.0 -
I thought tomorrow was April 1st?marke09 said:
Chris Mason
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Given that Shawcroft's position was up for re-election in June, poor Eddie and his lovely fluffy beret will only get to sit round the table for a couple of months.SandyRentool said:
I thought tomorrow was April 1st?marke09 said:
Chris Mason
Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC
20m20 minutes ago
Christine Shawcroft will be replaced on Labour's National Executive Committee by Eddie Izzard0 -
England.
Saved by the SNP.
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Eddie Izzard? He won't transgress will he?0
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marke09 said:
Chris Mason
Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC
20m20 minutes ago
Christine Shawcroft will be replaced on Labour's National Executive Committee by Eddie Izzard
LOL.
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Perhaps you could look at the actual data to get the facts.FF43 said:
You don't need to tell the Guardian anything but you could inform yourself of the facts by reading a decently researched article on the topic.tlg86 said:
Tell that to the Guardian...Bromptonaut said:
We haven’t left yet.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
https://tinyurl.com/yd39scmx
Page 6 of the attached ONS spreadsheet:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/summaryoflabourmarketstatistics
Average annual employment in the agricultural sector:
2015 407 thousand
2016 417 thousand
2017 451 thousand
Alternatively you could visit your local Asda and see the vast heaps of British vegetables on sale at 20p - those same vegetables that we were told would be rotting in the fields.0 -
And more Saturday and evening jobs available for British students and young people too!Elliot said:
Higher low skill wages for British citizens is well worth losing a little bit of agricultural activity eith terrible pay and conditions.FF43 said:
Migrant worker numbers down 15-20%, leading to a 10-15% shortfall in workers overall. Less than half of those that did come are certain of coming back next year. Bear in mind you plant the crops before you know who's going to pick them. There's definitely an issue. Enjoy the British vegetables while you still can.another_richard said:I see that Asda are now selling five different types of British vegetables at 20p:
https://groceries.asda.com/product/cabbage-brussels-sprouts/asda-growers-selection-spring-greens/392945
https://groceries.asda.com/product/carrots/asda-growers-selection-carrots/30240
https://groceries.asda.com/product/onions-leeks/asda-growers-selection-extra-trimmed-leeks/910002869199
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-parsnips/910001160815
https://groceries.asda.com/product/parsnips-root-veg/asda-growers-selection-british-swede/910003082671
Yet the NFU and Guardian claim that there's a shortage of agricultural workers and food is rotting in the fields.
About as believable as no Australian bowlers knowing the ball was being tampered with.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43529549
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Labour's manifesto strongly suggested they can't do basic arithmetic. Perhaps they just got the date wrong?SandyRentool said:
I thought tomorrow was April 1st?marke09 said:
Chris Mason
Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC
20m20 minutes ago
Christine Shawcroft will be replaced on Labour's National Executive Committee by Eddie Izzard
Could be worse of course. It could have been Russell Brand.0 -
Eddie already has the required uniform....
https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-31-at-20.05.58.png?resize=540,269&ssl=10 -
By the way, the biggest global story tomorrow could well be the Chinese satellite crashing to Earth.
It’s not an April Fool, it’s an 8,500kg satellite the size of a bus that’s out of control and heading to Earth. Really hope it ends up in the ocean somewhere.
It’s too far south to get the U.K. but could end up in Southern Europe, Africa, Asia or America anywhere between 43°N and 43°S, the latest prediction is it to crash tomorrow night.
http://www.aerospace.org/cords/reentry-predictions/tiangong-1-reentry/0 -
Is anyone able to demonstrate the fundamental difference between what Shawcroft has done and what Jezza did regarding the mural?
Clearly one is a resigning matter and the other isn't, but I'm not sure why.0 -
I thinks he's displaying the Waffen-SS Oberfuhrer Collar Tabs (available for £12.95 from epicmilitaria.com)FrancisUrquhart said:Eddie already has the required uniform....
https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-31-at-20.05.58.png?resize=540,269&ssl=1
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Rog this morning was bemoaning Israel shooting “protesters...
Hamas said five of them were members of its military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades0 -
Think you need to attend re-education classes. This is Jezza you are talking about.SandyRentool said:Is anyone able to demonstrate the fundamental difference between what Shawcroft has done and what Jezza did regarding the mural?
Clearly one is a resigning matter and the other isn't, but I'm not sure why.0 -
Given the extensive discussion of the waffen ss on here over the years, how did I not know that!geoffw said:
I thinks he's displaying the Waffen-SS Oberfuhrer Collar Tabs (available for £12.95 from epicmilitaria.com)FrancisUrquhart said:Eddie already has the required uniform....
https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-31-at-20.05.58.png?resize=540,269&ssl=1
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Burn up on reentry?Sandpit said:By the way, the biggest global story tomorrow could well be the Chinese satellite crashing to Earth.
It’s not an April Fool, it’s an 8,500kg satellite the size of a bus that’s out of control and heading to Earth. Really hope it ends up in the ocean somewhere.
It’s too far south to get the U.K. but could end up in Southern Europe, Africa, Asia or America anywhere between 43°N and 43°S, the latest prediction is it to crash tomorrow night.
http://www.aerospace.org/cords/reentry-predictions/tiangong-1-reentry/0
