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Morning all: just catching up from the office.
@compouter1
Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th December - Con 34%, Lab 40%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%; APP -26
My education: won scholarship to public school but went to excellent and inspiring local Grammar (being an only child my mother did not want me to board). State scholarship in Chemistry, Chem Eng at Leeds, followed by Marketing MA and MBA at Harvard - last two employer sponsored.
Surprised at Clegg pronouncing against one of the most popular public concerns - immigration - is it the season for lemmings?0 -
It is so much of a PR disaster in so many ways that the other parties couldn't have thought it up. I am now considering either Crosby or Messina are sleepers for the Labour Party.Pulpstar said:✨Billy Bixby✨ @billybixby 48s
Something vaguely homophobic about Anna Soubry joking that Nigel likes a finger up the ass. Good old Tories.
This has Waldorf and Stadler written all over it.0 -
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.0 -
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I notice that Sven's website is listed in OGH's 'Links' column. [Not very useful but....] Given that this site's ethos is to act as an "independent" area for politics and betting analysis I'd suggest Junior has words with the 'Editor-in-[Mis]Chief'....
EiT: I need to install your plugin following an RSA downgrade. Link please...
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Subsection that one to a pulp Financier.Financier said:Morning all: just catching up from the office.
@compouter1
Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th December - Con 34%, Lab 40%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%; APP -26
My education: won scholarship to public school but went to excellent and inspiring local Grammar (being an only child my mother did not want me to board). State scholarship in Chemistry, Chem Eng at Leeds, followed by Marketing MA and MBA at Harvard - last two employer sponsored.
Surprised at Clegg pronouncing against one of the most popular public concerns - immigration - is it the season for lemmings?0 -
There's just something about Osborne that grates.DavidL said:I can see Theresa May as leader although she has never struck me as particularly quick witted or light on her feet. Given a solidly prepared message and a bit of time she does as well as anyone in the cabinet.
But I am surprised that Osborne has not improved his standing somewhat. He is very closely tied to Cameron and if Cameron got hammered in 2015 he would clearly go as well. But if Cameron were to either win outright or even keep largest party I think Osborne would get a huge amount of the credit and would be very well placed. If Cameron were going at a time of his own choosing in the next Parliament Osborne would probably be favourite.
This has been an extremely stable government with very few and quite modest reshuffles. This means there has been very little opportunity for the newer members to progress or really shine. My knowledge of Jarvid is that he sends me (and no doubt a million others) e-mails quite regularly. Goodness knows if he actually writes them but most purport to come from Cameron and Osborne so it is interesting that he gets a name check quite so often.
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It's one of those popcorn moments, where you just sit there and let the rats fight in a sack. At least the Labour PR team can now have Xmas off.Pulpstar said:Official Labour figures should probably keep schtum on social media over this one though. When your opponent is digging a hole best thing to do is let them keep digging.
Sure NPxMP will be diplomatic about the matter on here0 -
We should all be thanking Soubry for giving us something to talk about over the Christmas break. :-)0
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Whatever turns Anna Soubry on, I suppose.compouter1 said:
What, people actually imagine someone sticking their finger up Farage arse?Easterross said:What is all this nonsense about the Anna Soubry comment. Personally I think many will agree with her and it wont do her any harm at all. Farage is a busted flush.
This is getting more weird by the minute.
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I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.0 -
I mean, just what goes through your mind, live on tv, to say your opponent likes someone to stick a finger up his arse. Has she always thought this? What is she doing imagining someone sticking a finger up his arse. Was she pissed? Is she on drugs?SeanT said:
The scriptwriters for The Thick of It would have rejected the line - spoken by a female Tory Defence Minister on live TV? -as being way too unlikely and surreal.compouter1 said:
It is so much of a PR disaster in so many ways that the other parties couldn't have thought it up. I am now considering either Crosby or Messina are sleepers for the Labour Party.Pulpstar said:✨Billy Bixby✨ @billybixby 48s
Something vaguely homophobic about Anna Soubry joking that Nigel likes a finger up the ass. Good old Tories.
This has Waldorf and Stadler written all over it.
Does she want to stick her finger up his arse? Has she just come out as a finger up arse person?0 -
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.
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Subsection that one to a pulp Financier.Financier said:Morning all: just catching up from the office.
@compouter1
Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th December - Con 34%, Lab 40%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%; APP -26
My education: won scholarship to public school but went to excellent and inspiring local Grammar (being an only child my mother did not want me to board). State scholarship in Chemistry, Chem Eng at Leeds, followed by Marketing MA and MBA at Harvard - last two employer sponsored.
Surprised at Clegg pronouncing against one of the most popular public concerns - immigration - is it the season for lemmings?
That has to be your privilege as far too busy. Just won a major contract in Saudi and as you may know they do not have any holidays this month after the winter solstice.
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Christmas just came early for Nick Palmer.SeanT said:Um, as far as I can tell, she actually uses the word "arse"??
https://audioboo.fm/boos/1813523-anna-soubry-on-nigel-farage
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You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.0 -
I can only suppose politicians say that sort of thing about each other all the time. Just unusual to go public with it... nice of Anna Soubry to give UKIP some publicity over Christmas when people might have forgotten they exist.
On Godfrey Bloom... "UKIP leadership is dysfunctional. It's a big boys club dedicated to Nigel Farage". Aren't all political parties the same to a greater or lesser extent? Yes the bigger and older ones have layers of policy wonks, PR people etc but I always wonder why we expect political parties to be run on the Fuehrerprinzip. It would be nice to see them being a bit more collaborative. I don't really need to see a party leader "imposing his authority" on his party, just as I don't want him "imposing his authority" on the country after winning an election.0 -
Nah, I will just marvel at the fact the PB Hodges ignore it as it isn't a "proper" poll.Financier said:
@Computer1compouter1 said:
Subsection that one to a pulp Financier.Financier said:Morning all: just catching up from the office.
@compouter1
Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th December - Con 34%, Lab 40%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%; APP -26
My education: won scholarship to public school but went to excellent and inspiring local Grammar (being an only child my mother did not want me to board). State scholarship in Chemistry, Chem Eng at Leeds, followed by Marketing MA and MBA at Harvard - last two employer sponsored.
Surprised at Clegg pronouncing against one of the most popular public concerns - immigration - is it the season for lemmings?
That has to be your privilege as far too busy. Just won a major contract in Saudi and as you may know they do not have any holidays this month after the winter solstice.0 -
Spot on!compouter1 said:
You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.0 -
JL - I must be totally different from MP's that say that to each other as I have never even imagined Farage looks like he has a finger up his arse and he likes it. Is it me, has anyone on here looked at Farage and thought he would like someone to put a finger up his arse?JohnLilburne said:I can only suppose politicians say that sort of thing about each other all the time. Just unusual to go public with it... nice of Anna Soubry to give UKIP some publicity over Christmas when people might have forgotten they exist.
On Godfrey Bloom... "UKIP leadership is dysfunctional. It's a big boys club dedicated to Nigel Farage". Aren't all political parties the same to a greater or lesser extent? Yes the bigger and older ones have layers of policy wonks, PR people etc but I always wonder why we expect political parties to be run on the Fuehrerprinzip. It would be nice to see them being a bit more collaborative. I don't really need to see a party leader "imposing his authority" on his party, just as I don't want him "imposing his authority" on the country after winning an election.0 -
Not over Christmas dinner, surely?JosiasJessop said:We should all be thanking Soubry for giving us something to talk about over the Christmas break. :-)
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Anna Soubry is in fact saying that Nigel Farage is gay and that he flaunts it. A very serious charge, even if it was meant for laughs on TV.0
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As you are pulling the giblets out, think of Soubry with Farage?FrankBooth said:
Not over Christmas dinner, surely?JosiasJessop said:We should all be thanking Soubry for giving us something to talk about over the Christmas break. :-)
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How does Soubry know what a man enjoying that looks like?0
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Or she could be unlucky, as there is nothing else to report politically and now the red tops have an headline. I assume The Mirror will go for it in a big way.SeanT said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Mail runs with it. She's a europhile and she's been clickbaitingly obscene - ideal Mail territory. But she's a Tory so they might let it go.compouter1 said:
You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.
If the tabloids bite deeply I can see it being properly damaging - Mr Cameron do you stand by your Defence Minister's remarks &c &c - endless fun.
She's "lucky" inasmuch as it is close to Christmas, and the story may just disappear under the tinsel.
Mike K - If she is doing that she deserves all she gets.0 -
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That quote seems incredible. It's just... weird.0 -
The questions on the back of her PR disaster is endless.OldKingCole said:How does Soubry know what a man enjoying that looks like?
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Not so, Mr K, have you not heard of prostate massage? Can be engaged in on a gay or hetero basis, is supposed to be quite good (although doesn't do that much for me).MikeK said:Anna Soubry is in fact saying that Nigel Farage is gay and that he flaunts it. A very serious charge, even if it was meant for laughs on TV.
And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine.
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Is she married? Maybe worth asking her for a date.OldKingCole said:How does Soubry know what a man enjoying that looks like?
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The Express are on it and the others will likely not be far behind.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 11m
She's trying to laugh it off.
'Nigel Farage looks like he enjoys a finger up his bottom' Tory Minister in bizarre rant http://dexpr.es/193m3rS
"Speaking aftter the show, Mrs Soubry said: "If he is in any way offended, I apologise unreservedly. It was a light hearted remark"
Not sure that will cut it TBH. This wasn't late night with Andrew Neil but breakfast with Marr.0 -
The "Express" isn't letting it go.SeanT said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Mail runs with it. She's a europhile and she's been clickbaitingly obscene - ideal Mail territory. But she's a Tory so they might let it go.compouter1 said:
You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.
If the tabloids bite deeply I can see it being properly damaging - Mr Cameron do you stand by your Defence Minister's remarks &c &c - endless fun.
She's "lucky" inasmuch as it is close to Christmas, and the story may just disappear under the tinsel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/450056/Nigel-Farage-looks-like-he-enjoys-a-finger-up-his-bottom-Tory-Minister-in-bizarre-rant0 -
Not a very serious charge as such but I strongly doubt Soubry would be fine with, say, 4 of her fellow male tory cabinet ministers being outed. Just as a hypothetical of course.JohnLilburne said:
Not so, Mr K, have you not heard of prostate massage? Can be engaged in on a gay or hetero basis, is supposed to be quite good (although doesn't do that much for me).MikeK said:Anna Soubry is in fact saying that Nigel Farage is gay and that he flaunts it. A very serious charge, even if it was meant for laughs on TV.
And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine. 0 -
Soubry's comment is certainly one of those occasions where it's easier for a woman to get away with a remark than a man (and I'm not a campaigner for mannism like SeanT).
I predict Ed Miliband won't call for any inquiry.
I predict peoples' views on whether it was a compliment or an insult will depend on their pre-existing views of Mr Farage.0 -
Maybe Farage should try a different riposte.
I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
Margaret Thatcher
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@JohnLilburne
"And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine."
Yes being gay is fine if you are so.
It is definitely not so fine if you are heterosexual and resent being defined as gay.0 -
In this digital age Soubry should know better...
Career ending, only if she is no bloody good at her day job. Most of us will have heard worse remarks.0 -
Perhaps Soubry is getting worried by Farage's man of the people act and wanted to remind everyone that he's a public schoolboy.0
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She may have inadvertently put her name forward as a description for a bit of finger action.
"Are you up for a Soubry?"0 -
The most amusing thing is how anyone in the Conservative Party thinks getting this rude and unpleasant woman to repeatedly remind traditional Tory voters what the party leadership thinks of them and people with right wing views is part of the road map to victory.0
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The Express is now in UKIP's camp.Wulfrun_Phil said:
The "Express" isn't letting it go.SeanT said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Mail runs with it. She's a europhile and she's been clickbaitingly obscene - ideal Mail territory. But she's a Tory so they might let it go.compouter1 said:
You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.
If the tabloids bite deeply I can see it being properly damaging - Mr Cameron do you stand by your Defence Minister's remarks &c &c - endless fun.
She's "lucky" inasmuch as it is close to Christmas, and the story may just disappear under the tinsel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/450056/Nigel-Farage-looks-like-he-enjoys-a-finger-up-his-bottom-Tory-Minister-in-bizarre-rant0 -
There you go. I predicted an apology within two hours. I was bang on.SeanT said:
She's trying to laugh it off.Mick_Pork said:The Express are on it and the others will likely not be far behind.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 11m
'Nigel Farage looks like he enjoys a finger up his bottom' Tory Minister in bizarre rant http://dexpr.es/193m3rS
"Speaking aftter the show, Mrs Soubry said: "If he is in any way offended, I apologise unreservedly. It was a light hearted remark"
Not sure that will cut it TBH. This wasn't late night with Andrew Neil but breakfast with Marr.
It's a classic politicians non-apology though. IF he was offended.
She hardly sounds very contrite. She might if the papers are bored enough to go big on it and they usually are this time of year.
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If you've ever had a colonoscopy ...........0
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LOL!dr_spyn said:In this digital age Soubry should know better...
Career ending, only if she is no bloody good at her day job. Most of us will have heard worse remarks.0 -
My point was, it shouldn't be treated as a slur on your character, something which gets you big bucks if you win a libel case. Yes its untrue, but so what? And I don't see why you would "resent" it. I have had a pass made at me by men on a couple of occasions, I simply said "no thanks" and moved on.MikeK said:@JohnLilburne
"And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine."
Yes being gay is fine if you are so.
It is definitely not so fine if you are heterosexual and resent being defined as gay.
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Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
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Soubry's patent colonoscopes.0
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Although they have illustrated it with a picture of Mr Farage with a strange expression, almost as if...Wulfrun_Phil said:
The "Express" isn't letting it go.SeanT said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Mail runs with it. She's a europhile and she's been clickbaitingly obscene - ideal Mail territory. But she's a Tory so they might let it go.compouter1 said:
You just know that Waldorf and Stadler will be trying to pull off a "Soubry is one of the lads and it was all a big joke, you need to get a life". However, if it was a Labour politician, we would be getting another crucifixion at Christmas via those lovely people in the press.SMukesh said:
This is right up the Mail`s territory of indignation at the state of moral affairs in this country.compouter1 said:
I am expecting Crosby to photoshop Ed Miliband eating a baby to get the finger up arse headlines off the front pages.Mick_Pork said:
Oh ye of little faith.compouter1 said:Mick - I think in the public conscience when an MP says another MP likes someone else to put a finger up his arse, there is not much else that can top it.
You underestimate (or overestimate) MPs at your peril.
If the tabloids bite deeply I can see it being properly damaging - Mr Cameron do you stand by your Defence Minister's remarks &c &c - endless fun.
She's "lucky" inasmuch as it is close to Christmas, and the story may just disappear under the tinsel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/450056/Nigel-Farage-looks-like-he-enjoys-a-finger-up-his-bottom-Tory-Minister-in-bizarre-rant
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Oh you are too Twee! So the guys make eyes at you; whats that got to do with the price of turnips?JohnLilburne said:
My point was, it shouldn't be treated as a slur on your character, something which gets you big bucks if you win a libel case. Yes its untrue, but so what? And I don't see why you would "resent" it. I have had a pass made at me by men on a couple of occasions, I simply said "no thanks" and moved on.MikeK said:@JohnLilburne
"And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine."
Yes being gay is fine if you are so.
It is definitely not so fine if you are heterosexual and resent being defined as gay.0 -
I think the Labourites are more excepting due to the fact we can sit back and watch two of the three right wing parties fall out with each other and swap insults. They must be packing their bags up for Xmas in the Labour PR office as their job has been done for them for the next week or so.SeanT said:Curiously, fingergatewise, many of the most offended people in my Twitter timeline are Tories. Labourites are much more accepting, as they hate Farage.
So she has alienated more core supporters, and pleased the Left, who still won't vote for her. And kippers are even less likely to return to Cameron's party.
Duh.
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I think there has been a court case which settled this issue.MikeK said:@JohnLilburne
"And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine."
Yes being gay is fine if you are so.
It is definitely not so fine if you are heterosexual and resent being defined as gay.
"Accusing" a straight person of being gay is not in itself slanderous, but if the straight person states that they are not gay, and the "accusation" is repeated, you are then accusing them of being a liar, which is actionable if you can't prove it.0 -
Your comment that it would apparently be reasonable to "resent" being called gay when you're not.MikeK said:
Oh you are too Twee! So the guys make eyes at you; whats that got to do with the price of turnips?JohnLilburne said:
My point was, it shouldn't be treated as a slur on your character, something which gets you big bucks if you win a libel case. Yes its untrue, but so what? And I don't see why you would "resent" it. I have had a pass made at me by men on a couple of occasions, I simply said "no thanks" and moved on.MikeK said:@JohnLilburne
"And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine."
Yes being gay is fine if you are so.
It is definitely not so fine if you are heterosexual and resent being defined as gay.
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They're all going to do this, it's the sub-editor chase instinct, they couldn't resist it if they tried.JohnLilburne said:Although they have illustrated it with a picture of Mr Farage with a strange expression, almost as if...
It's a kamikaze move - it might take her down, but it'll make people pause for a couple of awkward seconds before shaking hands with Farage...0 -
I didn't know Islam discouraged the selling of alcohol and pork to non-believers. I've never known Moslem pharmacists express concerns over pork insulin, whether using or supplying.taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).0 -
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''I didn't know Islam discouraged the selling of alcohol and pork to non-believers.''
It's a completely disastrous decision. We could have fights at the tills. If I was holding M&S shares, I'd be dumping them forthwith.
I'll certainly never shop there again.0 -
Just seen the pork/alcohol sales thing. It's entirely out of order. If you don't want to sell alcohol don't get a job that involves selling alcohol.0
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Mandy looks impressed and Cable stimulated.SeanT said:Here's the clip. I apologise to Ms Soubry, she does say "bottom" not "arse". However she DOES also do the illustrative finger movement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVUY9KZ-wI
Rory Bremner looks absolutely appalled.
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Do people think Spencer could work as a woman's name?0
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Is there a proper (non-dodgy-British-newspaper) source for this? As described the policy sounds really bad for Muslim staff too. Customers will avoid the tills of Muslim-looking people, which is going to be weird and uncomfortable, and potentially prevent stores from hiring them if they think they can get away with it,taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).0 -
Sounds like a ball to me.JohnLilburne said:
Not so, Mr K, have you not heard of prostate massage? Can be engaged in on a gay or hetero basis, is supposed to be quite good (although doesn't do that much for me).MikeK said:Anna Soubry is in fact saying that Nigel Farage is gay and that he flaunts it. A very serious charge, even if it was meant for laughs on TV.
And a "very serious charge"? Not so, this is the 21st century, being gay is fine.
I think if you insinuate that a married man is secretly gay, the implication is that he's a hypocrite, and that's certainly defamatory. Not that I think that was Soubry's intention.
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For an American.Morris_Dancer said:Do people think Spencer could work as a woman's name?
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Soubrey looks like the kind of gel who loves horse riding - if you know what I mean!
Seriously though, she is now totally open to any offensive comment anyone wants to throw at her. If she complains, they can just say they're sorry she hasn't got a sense of humour.
But perhaps she's actually brave though, and not stupid? Has the Defense Minister gone kamikaze, and, knowing that the game's up, sacrificed herself in the hope that some mud (or whatever) will stick to Farage?0 -
Miss DiCanio, it's funny you should mention that. I got two character names, one from US presidents (Jackson Adams) and another from British prime ministers (Spencer Grey). I haven't specified a nationality for either, though.0
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I like the Anna Soubry comment on Nigel Farage. His po-faced response, however, shows that he doesn't like it up him.0
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I have to say I'm a bit suspicious of the story. I could see that M & S might deploy Muslim staff in roles where they don't have to sell alcohol, but I find it hard to believe any supermarket would actually allow staff to refuse to serve a customer.edmundintokyo said:
Is there a proper (non-dodgy-British-newspaper) source for this? As described the policy sounds really bad for Muslim staff too. Customers will avoid the tills of Muslim-looking people, which is going to be weird and uncomfortable, and potentially prevent stores from hiring them if they think they can get away with it,taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
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The modern tory party are a PR disaster party,how the hell can the tories turn they attention onto labour when they keep the focus on them selves with stupid comments or stupid policies.
Next leader of the tories should in my mind be priti patel,a tory who knows how to hit the opposition or if labour in government.0 -
As I understand it: A till is an 'invitation-to-treat'. Having entered a queue to be served (without discrimination) then, should a cult-follower (i.e. vegan, mor0n, muzzie) refuse to complete said contract then the only decent thing is to walk away....taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
How Marks&Sparks will handle trollies and baskets of "Kafir" 'invites' de-frosting in the aisles (until some 'non-believer' cleans up the mess) could be fun. Maybe we need to try it...?0 -
That pork/alcohol story is just plain barmy. If I queued at a checkout, only to be told, however politely, that for "religious reasons", the operator couldn't (actually wouldn't) serve me alcohol or pork, I'd just leave the whole pile of shopping at the till, and never enter that supermarket chain again.
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The Telegraph say it's legit.Sean_F said:
I have to say I'm a bit suspicious of the story. I could see that M & S might deploy Muslim staff in roles where they don't have to sell alcohol, but I find it hard to believe any supermarket would actually allow staff to refuse to serve a customer.edmundintokyo said:
Is there a proper (non-dodgy-British-newspaper) source for this? As described the policy sounds really bad for Muslim staff too. Customers will avoid the tills of Muslim-looking people, which is going to be weird and uncomfortable, and potentially prevent stores from hiring them if they think they can get away with it,taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
"Muslim staff working for Marks & Spencer have been given permission to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products
One customer, who declined to be named, said: “I had one bottle of champagne, and the lady, who was wearing a headscarf, was very apologetic but said she could not serve me. She told me to wait until another member of staff was available."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html
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Are you sure?They have got a `PR` man in charge.Tykejohnno said:The modern tory party are a PR disaster party,how the hell can the tories turn they attention onto labour when they keep the focus on them selves with stupid comments or stupid policies.
Next leader of the tories should in my mind be priti patel,a tory who knows how to hit the opposition or if labour in government.0 -
Apparently it does - the Quran only says you shouldn't eat pork or drink alcohol, but there are commentaries on it which extend that to making money out of selling products, even to non-Muslims. However, what they don't usually tell you is these things are only supposed to be in force in an Islamic state. Also - a Muslim living among kuffar might be expected not to take a job that requires him to do so.OldKingCole said:
I didn't know Islam discouraged the selling of alcohol and pork to non-believers. I've never known Moslem pharmacists express concerns over pork insulin, whether using or supplying.taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
Although thankfully not many Muslims seem to be that bothered. A shop I often frequent is the sort of place with a halal butchers at the back, and a shelf full of Polish and Romanian pork products at the front. And while the serving staff are mostly Nepali and therefore probably Buddhist or Hindu, the owner is Iranian.
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Incidentally, I know Clancey[sp] won SCD, but who was the runner-up? Trying to work out if the each way bet on Gumede came off or not.0
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Anyone who is a fan of test cricket should be watching the SA/Ind match now0
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F1: good, bad or indifferent news. The double points idiocy could be scrapped, or extended to the final three races:
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to make up for it not being private or Eton, called snobberyTwistedFireStopper said:Why do you all have to put the word "good" before your school? Was my bog standard state infant, primary and full comp "bad"?
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Fingergate, like other mistakes, could be rescued by an appropriate apology.
Saying sorry IF offence is caused just puts fuel on the fire.
She should be apologising to the viewers for being personally insulting and demeaning about the leader of a competing political party instead of debating his policies.
Although a woman and not public school educated, Soubray still looks likely to go back to the backbenches.0 -
When are people forced to eat halal meat? If you don't want it you can buy from another takeaway.SeanT said:It's also worth noting that many of our children have to eat halal meat, whether they want to or not, to accommodate Muslims, likewise diners at takeways etc.
But Muslims can refuse to serve us alcohol or pork even when we have patiently queued to do so, and when we have no desire to offend.
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Mr. Quincel, I may be wrong but I think some schools serve only halal meat.0
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Another step on the slippery slope to Sharia Law and the Caliphate. Mr Marks, the founder of Marks and Spencer will be turning in his grave and throwing curses at todays M&S execs.anotherDave said:
The Telegraph say it's legit.Sean_F said:
I have to say I'm a bit suspicious of the story. I could see that M & S might deploy Muslim staff in roles where they don't have to sell alcohol, but I find it hard to believe any supermarket would actually allow staff to refuse to serve a customer.edmundintokyo said:
Is there a proper (non-dodgy-British-newspaper) source for this? As described the policy sounds really bad for Muslim staff too. Customers will avoid the tills of Muslim-looking people, which is going to be weird and uncomfortable, and potentially prevent stores from hiring them if they think they can get away with it,taffys said:Farage really doesn't have to do anything does he? his opponents just keep handing him victory after victory.
Today we have Soubry, and we also learn that M&S are allowing their muslim staff to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers and to ask them to use another till. Politely of course (that's very nice of them).
"Muslim staff working for Marks & Spencer have been given permission to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products
One customer, who declined to be named, said: “I had one bottle of champagne, and the lady, who was wearing a headscarf, was very apologetic but said she could not serve me. She told me to wait until another member of staff was available."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html0 -
And here I was thinking the kippers didn't like it up them.
Merry Christmas all.0 -
I struggle to get upset. Most sports recognise some tournaments are more important than others. The greater weight given to majors doesn't destroy the sporting integrity of the golf or tennis rankings.Morris_Dancer said:F1: good, bad or indifferent news. The double points idiocy could be scrapped, or extended to the final three races:
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/140173.html
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Islam:
Apparently 50% of the World's protein comes from pork (and not the Belgian-'merde' type). I'd assume cultivating pork requires a few old pig-studs and sows.
Ergo: Most consumed piglets are 'virgins'. Does this explain a Seventh Century fascination with the number '72'...?0 -
Farage's initial response was near pitch-perfect. His later one, less so.antifrank said:I like the Anna Soubry comment on Nigel Farage. His po-faced response, however, shows that he doesn't like it up him.
Now I've seen the video, it's less bad for Soubry. They were laughing, and she got carried away. Still wrong, though.
Harman's 'ginger rodent' comment was worse in my eyes, because that was (AFAICR) part of a planned, written speech that would have been checked by many people, none of whom flagged it up.
As I've said before, SeanT should become a politician. He'd out-Boris Boris, and make Ken look tiny when it came to lifestyle and scandals. And he'd probably get away with it.
To summarise: SeanT should be the new Alan Clarke. Politics would be all the richer ...0 -
The one that amazed me was the woman who failed to get a job at a hairdresser's, because she insisted on wearing a hair-covering-headscarf, and then won compensation!TwistedFireStopper said:That pork/alcohol story is just plain barmy. If I queued at a checkout, only to be told, however politely, that for "religious reasons", the operator couldn't (actually wouldn't) serve me alcohol or pork, I'd just leave the whole pile of shopping at the till, and never enter that supermarket chain again.
It's the sort of PC pandering that increases division amongst us.
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Mr. Maaarsh, if we take the view that some races are more important/prestigious, Abu Dhabi would *not* be on the list, let alone at the top.0
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Seems like Soubry has given up on retaining her seat.0
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While I could well believe that a small number of schools with a large number of Muslim pupils only serve halal meat, I don't buy that this is a meaningful restriction on our freedom. If nothing else, there is likely always another school in the area which doesn't and since the right-wing in Britain has often said that people should just move to new areas to find work etc I don't buy that they can credibly draw the line at moving schools.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Quincel, I may be wrong but I think some schools serve only halal meat.
EDIT: Three-quarters? Cripes. None the less, is it really such a terrible fate to bear? Make them a packed lunch, or have them eat halal meat. It won't do them any harm.0 -
Me too. And hasn't pb become a bunch of prudes? Oh Maude. Please, another sherry and the smelling salts...oooh, I feel quite dizzy.antifrank said:I like the Anna Soubry comment on Nigel Farage. His po-faced response, however, shows that he doesn't like it up him.
Prediction: this'll be a one day wonder, to be overtaken completely by the hols (when we'll all be saying things we will probably regret)....no hits for Anna, she'll be fine as a Minister and in Broxtowe.
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A lot (most?) of schools get their meat from suppliers that only deal in halal meat. Its a cost issue, I think, it saves having to source meat from different suppliers. My wife's school definitely only uses halal meat, for all dinners.Quincel said:
When are people forced to eat halal meat? If you don't want it you can buy from another takeaway.SeanT said:It's also worth noting that many of our children have to eat halal meat, whether they want to or not, to accommodate Muslims, likewise diners at takeways etc.
But Muslims can refuse to serve us alcohol or pork even when we have patiently queued to do so, and when we have no desire to offend.
Grotesque.
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If a small number of schools with a large number of Christian pupils refused to serve Muslims halal meat would that be a restriction? Forcing others to adopt your customs and values is by definition a restriction on freedom.0
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You must be planning a very boring break if that is what you will talk aboutJosiasJessop said:We should all be thanking Soubry for giving us something to talk about over the Christmas break. :-)
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The CEO of M&S is about to have a nightmare day.. A total boycott of the store may be required.0
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Dear BlueberryBlueberry said:Soubrey looks like the kind of gel who loves horse riding - if you know what I mean!
Seriously though, she is now totally open to any offensive comment anyone wants to throw at her. If she complains, they can just say they're sorry she hasn't got a sense of humour.
But perhaps she's actually brave though, and not stupid? Has the Defense Minister gone kamikaze, and, knowing that the game's up, sacrificed herself in the hope that some mud (or whatever) will stick to Farage?
I fear you are over-reacting.
All Ms Soubry has done is to turn Farage into a finger of fun.
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I would tell them to stick their goods where the sun don't shine and never shop there againSeanT said:
"Muslim staff working for Marks & Spencer have been given permission to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products
One customer, who declined to be named, said: “I had one bottle of champagne, and the lady, who was wearing a headscarf, was very apologetic but said she could not serve me. She told me to wait until another member of staff was available."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentisQuincel said:While I could well believe that a small number of schools with a large number of Muslim pupils only serve halal meat, I don't buy that this is a meaningful restriction on our freedom. If nothing else, there is likely always another school in the area which doesn't and since the right-wing in Britain has often said that people should just move to new areas to find work etc I don't buy that they can credibly draw the line at moving schools.
EDIT: Three-quarters? Cripes. None the less, is it really such a terrible fate to bear? Make them a packed lunch, or have them eat halal meat. It won't do them any harm.
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Firstly, Islam prohibits followers from eating non-halal meat. Christianity does not prevent followers from eating kosher, halal or any other meat. Secondly, how is being forced to eat halal meat any worse than there being very limited options on the menu each day?Morris_Dancer said:If a small number of schools with a large number of Christian pupils refused to serve Muslims halal meat would that be a restriction? Forcing others to adopt your customs and values is by definition a restriction on freedom.
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